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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 22:19, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Assiah
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Redirect: this is an exceptionally minor esoteric religious subject with no real evidence of substantial scholarly coverage as a topic in its own right outside of discussion of the " Four Worlds", where it is already covered and with which it overlaps significantly. Even that article is not in particularly good nick, so anyone interested in producing verifiable, encyclopedic material on the subject would be better off starting there. Iskandar323 ( talk) 19:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Addendum: The term is part of the Four Worlds thematic framework, and is better positioned to be understood by the reader when placed within that context. Iskandar323 ( talk) 05:44, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Religion, Judaism, and Spirituality. Iskandar323 ( talk) 19:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Plenty of sources on the first page of a google search: e.g.
1,
2, just for a start.
𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (
talk) 19:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- We don't go by the miscellanea of Google search. We go be reliable, secondary sources. The first page of google results are quite clearly all unreliable. Iskandar323 ( talk) 19:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:27, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 23:20, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep This is absolutely encyclopedic. The text is derived from an entry in The Jewish Encyclopedia. This prima facie meets the GNG. Central and Adams ( talk) 02:40, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Without advancing an opinion, I'm unsure how this is exceptionally minor. It's one of four spiritual worlds featured in a fairly well-known religious text. See also AfDs on the other four worlds –
Yetzirah,
Atziluth,
Beri'ah.
J947 †
edits 06:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- There are several layers of problem here - at least one of which is that even the parent article Four Worlds is not even properly cited with inline footnotes, so the encyclopedia currently has four poorly sourced and cited child articles branching out from an equally poorly sourced and uncited parent. Iskandar323 ( talk) 06:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Maybe my argument wasn't clear. The point is that if a subject has an article in any reliable encyclopedia then it's encyclopedic for our purposes. This is sufficient evidence that it meets the GNG. Furthermore, there are plenty of sources other than the Jewish Encyclopedia. Just click on the JSTOR search link above to see some.
Central and Adams (
talk) 09:50, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- The Jewish Encyclopedia material is broadly Public Domain because it is more than 100 years old, so it is extremely dated scholarship on top of being highly specialist and hardly indicative of broad notability. Multiple reliable, specific, secondary sources are still required to establish
WP:NBASIC here.
Iskandar323 (
talk) 10:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Click on your own JSTOR search link. Also you're wrong about GNG. These are misguided nominations and you ought to withdraw them all.
Central and Adams (
talk) 10:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- No, they are extremely unencyclopedic articles with a similarly insubstantial parent article and no active editors.
Iskandar323 (
talk) 10:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- None of which are deletion criteria, so you ought to withdraw your nominations.
Central and Adams (
talk) 10:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- The deletion criteria here is no serious references in the past 100 years beyond extremely trivial mentions. Iskandar323 ( talk) 10:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- None of which are deletion criteria, so you ought to withdraw your nominations.
Central and Adams (
talk) 10:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- No, they are extremely unencyclopedic articles with a similarly insubstantial parent article and no active editors.
Iskandar323 (
talk) 10:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Click on your own JSTOR search link. Also you're wrong about GNG. These are misguided nominations and you ought to withdraw them all.
Central and Adams (
talk) 10:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- The Jewish Encyclopedia material is broadly Public Domain because it is more than 100 years old, so it is extremely dated scholarship on top of being highly specialist and hardly indicative of broad notability. Multiple reliable, specific, secondary sources are still required to establish
WP:NBASIC here.
Iskandar323 (
talk) 10:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note to anyone who's interested in evaluating sources for this article it may be useful to know that it's also transliterated as "Asiyah," This yields a lot of GScholar results [1] where I had to add "hasidic" as a search term to eliminate false positives. The claim that there aren't multiple reliable sources for this subject is a failure of BEFORE. Please withdraw this and the other three noms. Central and Adams ( talk) 10:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- It's also spelled Asiya without the terminal "h." Central and Adams ( talk) 10:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep or redirect the four to English translations (though I forgot what they are, one description I recall, which though wasn't likeley from primary source, might be something like spiritual, mental, astral, material worlds/planes)-- dchmelik☀️🕉︎☉🦉🐝🐍☤☆( talk 02:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GNG, particularly the sources discussed above by Central and Adams. The nominators suggestion that old sources don't count is just wrong. Jacona ( talk) 14:27, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'm fine with either keep or redirect but I slightly favor the latter because this article would be more informative in the full context of the parent article. Spudlace ( talk) 19:21, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 22:19, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Assiah
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- Assiah ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Redirect: this is an exceptionally minor esoteric religious subject with no real evidence of substantial scholarly coverage as a topic in its own right outside of discussion of the " Four Worlds", where it is already covered and with which it overlaps significantly. Even that article is not in particularly good nick, so anyone interested in producing verifiable, encyclopedic material on the subject would be better off starting there. Iskandar323 ( talk) 19:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Addendum: The term is part of the Four Worlds thematic framework, and is better positioned to be understood by the reader when placed within that context. Iskandar323 ( talk) 05:44, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Religion, Judaism, and Spirituality. Iskandar323 ( talk) 19:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Plenty of sources on the first page of a google search: e.g.
1,
2, just for a start.
𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (
talk) 19:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- We don't go by the miscellanea of Google search. We go be reliable, secondary sources. The first page of google results are quite clearly all unreliable. Iskandar323 ( talk) 19:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:27, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 23:20, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep This is absolutely encyclopedic. The text is derived from an entry in The Jewish Encyclopedia. This prima facie meets the GNG. Central and Adams ( talk) 02:40, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Without advancing an opinion, I'm unsure how this is exceptionally minor. It's one of four spiritual worlds featured in a fairly well-known religious text. See also AfDs on the other four worlds –
Yetzirah,
Atziluth,
Beri'ah.
J947 †
edits 06:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- There are several layers of problem here - at least one of which is that even the parent article Four Worlds is not even properly cited with inline footnotes, so the encyclopedia currently has four poorly sourced and cited child articles branching out from an equally poorly sourced and uncited parent. Iskandar323 ( talk) 06:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Maybe my argument wasn't clear. The point is that if a subject has an article in any reliable encyclopedia then it's encyclopedic for our purposes. This is sufficient evidence that it meets the GNG. Furthermore, there are plenty of sources other than the Jewish Encyclopedia. Just click on the JSTOR search link above to see some.
Central and Adams (
talk) 09:50, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- The Jewish Encyclopedia material is broadly Public Domain because it is more than 100 years old, so it is extremely dated scholarship on top of being highly specialist and hardly indicative of broad notability. Multiple reliable, specific, secondary sources are still required to establish
WP:NBASIC here.
Iskandar323 (
talk) 10:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Click on your own JSTOR search link. Also you're wrong about GNG. These are misguided nominations and you ought to withdraw them all.
Central and Adams (
talk) 10:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- No, they are extremely unencyclopedic articles with a similarly insubstantial parent article and no active editors.
Iskandar323 (
talk) 10:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- None of which are deletion criteria, so you ought to withdraw your nominations.
Central and Adams (
talk) 10:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- The deletion criteria here is no serious references in the past 100 years beyond extremely trivial mentions. Iskandar323 ( talk) 10:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- None of which are deletion criteria, so you ought to withdraw your nominations.
Central and Adams (
talk) 10:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- No, they are extremely unencyclopedic articles with a similarly insubstantial parent article and no active editors.
Iskandar323 (
talk) 10:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Click on your own JSTOR search link. Also you're wrong about GNG. These are misguided nominations and you ought to withdraw them all.
Central and Adams (
talk) 10:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- The Jewish Encyclopedia material is broadly Public Domain because it is more than 100 years old, so it is extremely dated scholarship on top of being highly specialist and hardly indicative of broad notability. Multiple reliable, specific, secondary sources are still required to establish
WP:NBASIC here.
Iskandar323 (
talk) 10:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note to anyone who's interested in evaluating sources for this article it may be useful to know that it's also transliterated as "Asiyah," This yields a lot of GScholar results [1] where I had to add "hasidic" as a search term to eliminate false positives. The claim that there aren't multiple reliable sources for this subject is a failure of BEFORE. Please withdraw this and the other three noms. Central and Adams ( talk) 10:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- It's also spelled Asiya without the terminal "h." Central and Adams ( talk) 10:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep or redirect the four to English translations (though I forgot what they are, one description I recall, which though wasn't likeley from primary source, might be something like spiritual, mental, astral, material worlds/planes)-- dchmelik☀️🕉︎☉🦉🐝🐍☤☆( talk 02:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GNG, particularly the sources discussed above by Central and Adams. The nominators suggestion that old sources don't count is just wrong. Jacona ( talk) 14:27, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'm fine with either keep or redirect but I slightly favor the latter because this article would be more informative in the full context of the parent article. Spudlace ( talk) 19:21, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.