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User:Izno is continually reverting front crawl to freestyle in the list of strokes and their speeds. The correct terminology is front crawl, especially when comparing it to other strokes. This is attested to by the actual article on front crawl (to which freestyle stroke redirects anyway). He is editing in bad faith, as reasons for this terminology have been posted on the talk page for the article, and he has not responded but continues to revert.
I'm not sure what to do here. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.172.15.234 ( talk) 02:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know anything about WQA (just found it by searching around about edit disputes), and didn't realize I was supposed to notify anyone. I doubt it would have made any difference since he has been unresponsive on the talk page. I apologize for sharp words but I was trying to get him to respond on the talk page (not that civility has any bearing on accuracy - facts are facts. this is a minor and silly dispute in the first place and I can't believe anyone would continue reverting accurate terminology into inaccurate terminology like this). I will make sure not to use insulting terms in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.172.15.234 ( talk) 04:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
User User:Likebox has been presented with clear arguments as to why a segment of Quantum mysticism is WP:Synth. This argument was convincing to a WP:3O. Still LikeBox holds his position and displays considerable ownership over the text. His argument are not clear and additional interpretations/perspectives would be useful. A note was left at Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard three days ago but has yet to be addressed.-- OMCV ( talk) 02:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
(deindent) To 2/0: this is not a synth, because none of the ideas there are original in any way. It might seem that way if you do not read the sources provided, because the ideas are weird. They appear first in Everett's thesis, in a hard-to-understand quantum form, then they appear in Dennett and Hofstadter's book. Hofstadter also has an article on many-worlds. I am not so perfectly well read on everything that I could find all the sources which do this, but I feel that there should be a few more, considering how widely discussed this idea was in the 1970s and 1980s. Likebox ( talk) 21:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I've been keeping an eye on the History Wars article as an uninvolved admin. While the present dispute over its contents certainly hasn't been conducted in line with Wikipedia's dispute resolution process, both sides of the discussion are at fault for this in my view - there's been no serious efforts to develop consensus text, seek outside views or approach experienced mediators. As such, while Likebox could improve their conduct in this discussion and show greater respect for other editors (I found their appeals to other editors to participate in the article as a 'jerk' to frustrate the editors they disagree with to be particularly concerning) no lines which warrant sanctions have been crossed. Nick-D ( talk) 11:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I was hoping to get another opinion on a conduct issue.
Recently on Homeopathy and the associated talk page, User:Dbrisinda and I (as well as others on the page) got into a disagreement on small issues like the placement of citations and inclusion of descriptors such as the word "few".
This user apparently got frustrated and left the following on the article talk page, "translating" my words into something I did not say, and certainly did not mean. [6]
After seeing this, I left a note [7] asking him to not do this again. (see the rest of thread at his user page).
Instead of removing or striking out his comments, he justified it by implying I was not being truthful or reasonable. I asked him not to make such implications as I considered them an attack on my character, and he repeated them, saying that I needed to prove to him that I would be more "truthful" and "reasonable" before he would stop making such statements, presumably by agreeing with him on the content dispute on homeopathy. At this point I decided to disengage with him on his talk page as it was obvious he saw no problem with his conduct.
An uninvolved user then deleted User:Dbrisinda's original "translation" from the homeopathy talk page and posted on his talk page not to do so again. He again tried to justify this behavior by trying to prove a point to "readers" how unreasonable I was being.
Is this acceptable behavior? I do not plan on letting this incivility drive me from commenting on or editing the Homeopathy article, and as such, any advice on how to proceed is appreciated. Yobol ( talk) 23:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
[undent] In this edit Dbrisinda moves my comment to which (s)he was replying out of its original context (in which its meaning and intent would, I think, have been immediately apparent), and then implies that my edit is pointless or senseless (see edit summary and the words "Come again?" in the edit) and that I was arguing the opposite of what I had been arguing (I had been arguing that the wording of the article, "they are few in number", meant exactly what it said, and Dbrisinda had been arguing that it meant "few compared to the non-positive studies"). Is this acceptable (I may be being a bit too thin-skinned here, but I found it quite annoying)? Brunton ( talk) 09:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm reporting personal attacks against me and lack of etiquette from the above-mentioned users with regard to their comments on this talk page. This is somewhat surprising considering Tfz's stated opinion of "trolling", "respect" and "posturing" (see his talk page).
Diffs:
I have no idea how many more personal attacks against me might have come into being in Wikipedia over the last few months, but I would like to see them, and inability to assume good faith, eradicated.
A note to HighKing: I couldn't possibly be anti-Irish, as I am Irish myself. Just because you may be prejudiced, there is no reason to tar everyone else with your own brush. You clearly know nothing of my "motives". -- Setanta 02:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Previously took this to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Gurbinder_singh1 and the editor was blocked, and here Wikiquette and the editor was warned and encouraged to do better. However:
I don't feel partial protection is called for, much of the content in these articles comes (painfully) from anon editors and the problem isn't that severe. I am unsure that further blocking will do any good, the editor works anonymously, clearly by choice, as the editor had an account but only used it for the edit war that led to the block. Ideas? I struggled with where to take this, and considered the edit war page, ANI... but I am hopeful that guidance from other ordinary editors might help. - sinneed ( talk) 09:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
User:Ruslik0 on Solar System [9] HarryAlffa ( talk) 19:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
And now another incivility from User:Ruslik0, "this is disruption" [11], with no communication in the relevant sections (created by me for the purpose) in the Talk page. Please someone have a word with him. HarryAlffa ( talk) 17:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
I want to provide a brief excursus into the recent history. HarryAlffa began his disruption of the Solar System article back in the May (or even in August-September last year). He started FAR, which was soon closed as keep. In the course of it he made a lot of uncivil remarks about mental abilities of other editors. You can see them by reading the page or in the history. I want only to provide one diff. After that FAR the relations between HarryAlffa and other editors were poisoned, and I generally stop assuming good faith on behave of this editor. AGF is a great policy, but not a suicide pact. However I expected that HarryAlffa would at least back off, instead he started an RFC, where he tried to get what he had not got in FAR. Insults followed as usual, but RFC produced no results. In the June HarryAlffa was blocked for one week, partly because of problems with Solar System article (but not only). Since then he lied low for some time, but recently resumed his activities. So, when I wrote "disruption", I made this claim taking into account the previous history. Ruslik_ Zero 19:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Kintetsubuffalo ( talk · contribs) has twice called me a sockpuppet ( here and here). This is uncalled for. There is nothing that warrants this outrageous accusation, this assumption of bad faith. Disagreeing with me is no problem, undoing my edits is no problem, but incivility is extremely bad form. 94.212.31.237 ( talk) 17:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I proposed my javascript code in my monobook.js file to be a gadget in en wiki. TheDJ reviewed this and proposed some changes, which I did. On May 25 he posted this note to me on his talk page:
"It is looking much better now. Now we only need a name for the thing, and I will add it to the Gadgets. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)"
From this time to the current he
1) has not put the code up as a gadget
2) has refused to answer any of my communications with him, which has been several although not too many.
It has been 3 months that I have been stonewalled. I would like a communication from him telling me the reasons why he did not put my code up as a gadget, after he said he would. It is impolite to refuse to communicate with someone if they have not been abusive or broken Wiki policy.
I am personally subject to a hate campaign in Australia where I live and am concerned that this campaign has spread to him.
Endo999 ( talk) 17:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
This reply by TheDJ is not
1) a reason why he did not put up the gadget, when he said he would. 2) a breach of civility. 'Hi' is not a reason why he did not respond to me for 3 months
Endo999 ( talk) 20:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Allegations: { User:Protonk - speedily deleted a page I had written The Uses of Literacy- and was working on. It was only one paragraph with rewording and citing but with a quote (in quotation marks) from the source. It was from one source as it stated but it was, in my view appropriately cited and reworded. Protonk speedily deleted it as obvious copyright violation, which I disputed and dispute, and refused to help me with how to find out how to undelete it or complain. Just told me to write it again. ( Msrasnw ( talk) 16:23, 31 August 2009 (UTC))
The Four Deuces ( talk · contribs) has claimed in an edit summary that he was reverting an edit by me that wasn't by me: "Reverse Introman's edit - please discuss on talk page." [12] As you can see, the edit was done by a user "12.160.113.34." Apparently The Four Deuces has assumed it was me in disguise, since I told him I would probably start using another username in order to keep him from stalking me which I think he had been doing. I think this should be nipped in the bud, because I can see foresee him claiming all kinds of edits are by me when they're not. This would lead to me having a reputation as a bad editor if the edits are poor. Without evidence he shouldn't make claims like this, especially in a public display for everyone to be misled. I think it's bad ethics and really offensive. Thanks for your assistance. Introman ( talk) 02:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Introman has posted abusive messages on the talk pages of two editors.
Posted to User talk:The Four Deuces:
Posted to User talk:Rick Norwood:
The Four Deuces ( talk) 03:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
This is crazy. Both Rick Norwood and Four Deuces are the most horrendous Wikipedia editors I've ever come across, in terms of ethics and integrity (and also in terms of editing). They appear to work as POV team. I'm sorry to say, that I can't hold on to the "assume good faith" practice anymore with these two. Rick Norwood just makes up things and then cites a source claiming the source back up what he put in the article. Then if I try to fix it, Four Deuces will come in to prevent that by reverting it back. And both of them give deceptive edit summaries. Dishonesty just seems to pervade everything they do. Four Deuces seems to watch which articles I go to revert any edit I make no matter how minor because apparently he has something personal against me. But, on top of this, I suspect that they're the same person trying to get around three revert rules. One time I said something to one and the other one replied instead, but by the contents of the message it seemed as if he forgot to switch back to the other username. I'll see if I can find it. And what do you know, one comes here to defend the other just as one always come to prevent me from changing the other's edits, IN EVERY CASE. That they're the same people is just a suspicion right now though, I want to make clear. Anyway, to the best of my ability I try to represent sources as accurately as possible, and if you look at my edit summaries, they're VERY detailed, more than anyone else I've seen so that people know exactly what I'm doing. I have nothing to hide. So it's frustrating to have to deal with others who aren't willing to show anything close to the same respect. Without honest people and integrity, the world doesn't work very well, and Wikipedia is no exception. Introman ( talk) 05:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
The Four Deuces: I see you are making some new claims. For example:
Rick Norwood and I have attempted to discuss Introman's edits with him
Introman has merely reverted to his preferred version
often contradicting what he had previously said
An examination of his comments clearly shows that he has no understanding of the subjects of the articles he edits
in fact does not even read the articles
He is also in conflict with other editors at the Libertarianism article
All claims should be supported by diffs. The way WP:WQA works is that the person bringing the claims supplies the evidence, and the WQA community then examines the evidence. It is not the WQA community who searches for the evidence.
Introman: I notice that at least one of your posts here involves aggressively defensive language:
Stop lying about me
Your comments are addressed to
User:The Four Deuces For example: Running like a little girl to administrators
Allegations regarding your behaviour have been put before the WP:WQA community. Ideally, your posts here should be addressed to the WP:WQA community. The WP:WQA community is able to recommend in your favor, or against you. It is not in your interests to make posts here that display your propensity for self-defence and assertiveness. The WP:WQA community has done nothing to offend you. It is in your interests to display your skills at co-operation, willingness to work with others and willingness to assume good faith. Displaying those things would help the WQA community to recommend in your favor.
Dolphin51 (
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13:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Rick Norwood has done it again. He's again put a dishonest edit summary, deleting sourced content saying he's doing the opposite: [26] This is how Rick Norwood and Four Deuces operate. If I revert this back to the truly sourced version, Four Deuces will show up and revert it back to how Norwood wants it (unless he's laying low now that he's been exposed). The lack of ethics is really frustrating. As you can see as I showed above, quoting the sources, those references do explicitly support that Adam Smith was classical liberal. He's also deleting John Locke, along with those references: "John Locke's Second Treatise of Government (1689) in may ways remains the clearest statement of the classical liberal's devotion to each individual's liberty." [27] "In this book I will use the term classical liberalism to refer to those pre-ninenteenth cnetury thinkers, such as John Locke..." [28]. So in addition to the false edit summaries, these two just DENY DENY DENY what is right in their face, because they don't like what the sources say. Introman ( talk) 20:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
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Here are his reverts to Classical liberalism: [31] Diff Edit summary
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Introman inserted the following text into the lead of Conservatism in the United States: The capitalist conservatism that dominated the Reagan administration which favored a more or less laissez-faire free market economy arose from classical liberalism. We discussed it at Talk:Conservatism in the United States:
It says in the article "Freidrich Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, Ayn Rand, and Milton Friedman advocated a return to classical liberal or libertarian policies and together provided a vigorous criticism of the welfare state and Keynsian economics.... In 1965 conservatives campaigned for Buckley as a third party candidate for Mayor of New York and in 1966 for Ronald Reagan, who was elected governor of California. Reagan sought the Republican presidential nomination in 1968 and 1976, before finally being elected president in 1980. [32] |
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Here is a mention of the dispute on the talk page. He began arguing with User:Carolmooredc in May and the dispute continues 3 months later: User:Introman - whose user page says My name is Introman, and I only do intros. Working on bodies of articles is beneath me. - chooses to distort an introduction that outlines the current version of the article. CarolMooreDC (talk) 02:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC) First, you don't just make some comment that barely addresses my concerns and stick back in your comment. This is edit warring WP:3rr. Second, you do NOT address my first concern, that if you want to talk about "best known version of libertarianism" you should also mention the other references that talk about private ownership and free market libertarianism being better known, per the discussion of that issue. (And deleting rest of discussion as irrelevant.) Third, if you addressed that it would be clear that "Means of production" not the phrase all those sources would use. It is a heavily charged socialist/communist term, as you yourself admit above. To engage in truly cooperative editing you should revert yourself and address my concerns above. CarolMooreDC (talk) 18:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC) [33] |
(out) Here is another example of what I see as edit-warring by Introman, which happened today, and with which I had no involvement. The lead of Modern liberalism in the United States contains the statement:
Without discussion, Introman then added the following to the end of the sentence:
Although the first edit by Introman was referenced to Problems of market liberalism, it actually refers to an article in the book by Gerald F. Gaus which presents a point of view. More importantly the article says nothing about the founding of America as a liberal nation. [37]
The Four Deuces ( talk) 23:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I find it really suspicious how Four Deuces is SO protective of Rick Norwood's edits. Never has he challenged or complained about anything Rick Norwood has done, no matter how attrocious. So quick to try to do whatever he thinks might work to keep me from changing Rick Norwood's edits. Hmm... Introman ( talk) 00:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Introman, on this page complaints have been made about some of your edits and, by implication, complaints about your willingness to participate in a reasonable and scholarly manner. I have examined all the evidence provided here, and in addition I have done some of my own research. I have noticed that where Introman goes, conflict goes too.
I agree that you are not the only User displaying a lack of fraternal spirit. Others have displayed antipathy towards you. However, I have seen evidence that these others display a commendably fraternal spirit towards Users other than you. I have not yet seen such a display from you, but I will give you full opportunity to show that it exists.
I can say at this stage that I am likely to conclude that your preferred style of communication on Wikipedia is a competitive, combative style. I am also likely to conclude that it is your style of communication on Wikipedia that ensures conflict is your constant companion.
If I finally reach these conclusions I can do nothing more than encourage you to recognise that on Wikipedia you are among friends; that your knowledge and competence are not under threat to the extent that you need to defend them vigorously on a daily basis. I will recommend that you strive to develop a new persona, a new style of communication that will be appropriate to dealing with friends in what is, after all, a hobby for all of us.
Before I reach these conclusions I am keen for you to have the opportunity to comment, and to argue against these possible conclusions, if that is your preference. If you disagree with me, could you provide me with one or two recent diffs that show you communicating with another User in a friendly, non-combative and scholarly manner? That would help me. Thanks for your patience in this matter. Dolphin51 ( talk) 11:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to point out Four Deuces himself given bogus edit summaries. It's not just "Rick Norwood." Many times, in more than one article, he says he's reverting to "Restore agreed version." But this so obviously untrue. If it was agreed, then why are people making changes that he's reverting? Obviously, what he wants is not agreed to. And, note, these reversions with "Restore agreed version" are not only for my edits, but for the edits of others users as well. Here are some examples from the Social liberalism article: [38] [39] [40] [41] This dishonesty is very irritating. But as I said, I will will try to be more ...gentle? in my responses. But as you can see, anyone would be highly upset at this type of behavior. Introman ( talk) 23:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
(out) I did of course explain my changes in detail in the talk pages. Introman first changed the lead in four edits with the notation ""modern liberalism" is the more used term" in his first edit. [47] [48] I reverted back with the notation: "Removed OR from lead - must agree to sources given" [49] Introman then made another edit with the notation "removing unsourced" [50] followed by four more edits. [51].
I then set up a section on the talk page where I stated:
In conclusion, when I reverted Introman's edits, I provided an explanation in my edits and on the talk page and my main reason given was that the new edit was not supported by sources, but in fact contradicted the sources cited. I did mention that other editors had agreed to the version he changed, but did not give that as the main reason for my disagreement with his edits.
The Four Deuces ( talk) 14:28, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Some time ago I added some text to the Power ballad, with references. Recently, that text was removed without much discussion - leaving the article in a non-NPOV status, in my opinion. To clear up the problem (to see my summary, of the problem, look at the talk page at Talk:Power ballad), I removed some more text from the article, which I believed to have weasel words, and to have a non-NPOV. This edit was reverted - without discussion - as 'vandalism' by User:Peter Fleet. I asked on User talk:Peter Fleet why it was called vandalism - and he presumed bad faith on my part (ignoring most of the cateogories listed as things that are not vandalism on the vandalism policy page), to my eyes not having read any of my discussions about the change previously. In his response to my question, he used personal attacks in his edit summary, calling me a "vandal". [ [52]] aka User:Wiki libs used some further text which I took to assume not good faith, and which involved more personal attacks (such as Fleet the consensus on that page is that Lumi is wrong (common). I might have let this slide, but this is not the first time both of these users have acted in what I consider to be bad faith (i.e. WP:DICK), and assumed the worst/reverted without question, either with regards to an edit I made or that someone else made. I believe the philosophy that is being shown here (illustrated by Libs' recent update to their talk page -- for 2 weeks.... Hey King, Hey Sssoul, Hey Ms Bathory... you are in charge now... revert every single edit to every single music page until I get back!!!) is disruptive to newcoming editors, who will be discouraged by the strongly negative reaction, and overall has a negative effect on wikipedia (despite any vandalism that is prevented). I would appreciate it if some outsiders with fresh eyes looked into this situation, and told either me, or them, or both, what they are doing wrong. Thanks. Luminifer ( talk) 02:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I can see where Luminifer was issued a warning on his talk page. But this warning was not issued by either of the 2 people he has named in his complaint. Luminifer did delete referenced text from the article after posting on the article talk page about his personal objection to the text but only removed it after his own contribution to the page was removed due to poor sourcing. This is most certainly a bad faith edit. Deleting sourced text from an article just to prove a point is not vandalism but is certainly the equivalent even if WP:VANDAL does not detail as such. In either respect no warning was ever issued over the bad-faith edit. Further review of the recent edit history of the page shows that Off2riorob also deleted the same referenced text from the article but was reverted and received a vandalism warning for removing the sourced text. If Luminifer did not receive a warning on his talk page from the 2 people named in his complaint how did either editor breach Wiki-etiquette? Fair Deal ( talk) 20:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
On the Proton Therapy page user mdphd2012 contributed an entry that all other editors agreed was inappropriate in tone (as well as inaccurate in content). mdphd2012 has been unwilling to make any changes suggested by other editors, and has undone any edits by other editors of his/her contributions. Other editors have attempted to engage mdphd2012 in discussion toward a consensus solution without success. mdphd2012 has also removed inappropriate tone banners placed by other editors on his material multiple times. mdphd2012 has also labeled signed and justified (by comment) changes made by other editors as "vandalism" AE1978 ( talk) 13:04, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I am requesting a neutral, third party to intervene in a wikiquette regarding this editor. He has placed a personal attack against me in an article talk page and failed to assume good faith on my part. The origins of this incident are at the Survivorman article.
The paragraph that I felt was an opinion was subsequently removed by another editor.
On a side note, there appears to be additional incidents of GabrielVelasquez not AGF on Talk:Planetary habitability. I am not involved in this dispute and have no further comment or opinion upon the matter.
If a neutral, third party can intervene in this issue, I would appreciate it. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 00:29, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Good day,
I am posting this here because I believe it to be the best place to do so. If I am incorrect, I humbly request to be directed to the correct page.
In the general area of pages related to the lonelygirl15 web series, we currently have some trouble with User:Otterathome, who seems to have made it his personal goal in life to remove as much as he can get of LG15 from Wikipedia; he started nominating a large number of pages related to the series, mostly of the actors involved, but also of spin-offs. That, in itself, is -of course- not a problem. The problem is the way he behaved afterwards:
I believe it is very clear that Otterathome has a personal vendetta against LG15 content on Wikipedia, rather than any interest in improving any of its pages. Let me assure you that I am not questioning the nomination of the articles per se. That is, of course, his good right, and I admit some of the pages were not exactly in good shape when he nominated them (they improved considerably during the AfD, another fact which he refused to even acknowledge).
What I take issue with are not the nominations themselves. What I take issue with are the facts that he
Nominating something over notability concerns is one thing. Insisting on deletion over all other options, continuing to fight for deletion even after a decision was made, and immediately trying to get rid of a page through non-deletion measures after deletion was rejected, is an entirely different thing.
Once more, since I know this will be his first argument when he sees this: I am not making any statements about the notability of the pages in question, or his right to nominate pages for deletion. I purely take issue with his unwillingness to consider other options, his relentlessness despite official decisions having been made, and, ultimately, also with the new tone he's
putting on now that he wants to merge the page away - "I'll give you until next month to find more sources so it passes our guidelines, otherwise it will have to be merged or deleted" sounds almost like he considers himself an admin of sorts, and entirely ignores the fact that it has just been decided that that exact page will be kept.
As such, I am here today to request assistance with this situation from the community at large. Independent from all notability concerns, Otterathome's behavior is more than questionable and directly interfering with our efforts to provide an encyclopedic overview of the LG15 franchise.
Thank you for your time.
Hi, I would like to add my two-cents to this discussion. I have been dealing with Otterathome in the third deletion review for Jackson Davis. If you read my edits there, I have largely been debating policy with him, as opposed to his actions, but I do feel his actions need to be addressed, so I am bringing them here.
Otter seems to have a personal vendetta against the web series genre, but no real knowledge of it. see quote: "It doesn't state anything about webshows, but I don't know if any of them are "commercially produced or significant" because they have so few sources.", see his entire argument here about WP:ENT, and this entire post.
He discredits sources without knowing enough about the sources as well. For instance, in this diff, he states that the two actors Jackson appeared on an interview with were not notable, without bothering to learn about the people first. He also continues to insist that a show is a "non-notable web show" even after citation showing otherwise had been added to the page.
Although WP:DEADLINE is not an official rule, it is a general guideline, which he does not follow. See diff - "7 days is long enough seeing as closing statement at DRV suggested to relist it [Please note: The closer actually said "no prejudice against relisting" NOT "you should relist it again."] There has been plenty of time for editors to improve the article, I nominated it at the start of August, nearly a whole month." He also seems to misunderstand WP:NOTAGAIN, which he cites over and over to defend his actions. diff, diff2, diff3, etc etc.
WP:NOTAGAIN states that "If an article is frivolously nominated (or renominated) for deletion, then editors are justified in opposing the renomination. Frivolous renominations may constitute disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point, especially when there was a consensus to keep it in the past, or when only a short time has elapsed since the last nomination." Therefore, his continual use of citing NOTAGAIN to justify his actions are not accurate ( for my full point, see here). Whenever this is pointed out to him he ignores it. This demonstrates an attempt to game the system and wikilawyering. Another example of gaming the system appears when he tries to argue for using WP:BAND as a guideline for a source for Jackson Davis (an actor), while taking the context of the guideline totally out of context.
He also uses tactics to discredit the other voters in the discussion, such as adding the notavote template ( diff) when things are not going his way, declaring a user to be an SpA voter when they disagree with him (which fails WP:NEWBIES), and adding the puffery template to the article when the AfD was not going his way. (See my reply to that in full here.)
He also does not show civility when dealing with other users in the debate, calling another user's post a "long rant", told a user "when you stop failing WP:AGF & WP:CIVIL and stop criticizing Wikipedia itself", telling a user "Why do you keep repeating yourself? I don't think you know what consensus means.", saying "Wow Zoeydahling you sure know your stuff." in a clearly sarcastic manner, and tells a user who simply voices their opinion "You've basically just repeated everything that has already been said so have contributed nothing new.", thereby simply dismissing that user's opinions without any real reason to.
He tells a user to WP:AGF, but clearly shows WP:IRONY in doing so, as his actions linked throughout this post demonstrate that he does not, in fact, show good faith. The policy explicitly states "Unless there is strong evidence to the contrary, assume that people who work on the project are trying to help it, not hurt it." (emphasis added) I believe I have demonstrated throughout this post that he does not, in fact, show good faith in dealing with editors and is once again trying to game the system and wikilaywer, as he is misrepresenting policy and attempting to discredit any users who call him out on his behavior by simply citing the policy (without understanding its underlying theme, that you should assume good faith until it is proven otherwise).
I would also like to point out diffs like these: 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 which further clarify my point from the words of other editors.
In conclusion, I would very much appreciate if Otterathome's behavior could be addressed, and perhaps he could even be discouraged (if not outright banned) from editing articles on the web series genre which he clearly knows nothing about and cannot edit in a calm and rational manner. Additionally, I would like to note that this post just addresses his behavior on the Jackson Davis AfD, as his behavior on the LG15: The Last deletion/merge was already addressed above. However, I believe that information also demonstrates the same principles I have just addressed.
Thank you very much for your time.
-- Zoeydahling ( talk) 00:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
UPDATE: Mere hours after the Jackson Davis AfD was closed as keep, Otterathome has decided to go after another Lonelygirl15-related article Mesh Flinders ( AfD). It is pretty clear that he is determined to rid the Wiki of any LG15-related content in any way he can and will not get over it, let go, or just drop it. He appears to be guilty of tendentious editing (not having a neutral point of view when it comes to such articles). Thanks. -- Zoeydahling ( talk) 20:44, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Troublemaker1949 has been engaging in disruptive behaviour at an AfD for an article they created
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zane Carpenter and are fully in breach of
WP:CIVIL and
WP: NPA. Also been hassloing the nominator here:
[67]
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I had attempted to avert another indecent where Wikipedia was misquoted to people
"Thessaloniki is the Capital of the Republic of Macedonia"
with this edit.
This edit was reverted and changed and mocked and reduce and finally made invisible by an abusive Admin's
perverse mockery.
I had to press for
this to be added and
and this arrogant Admin just could not be wrong.
Later when trying to solve this I had reverted the vandalism when I noticed "Capital of Macedonia"
redirected to "Adolf Hitler,"
and changed it to "Thessaloniki" and I thought
with this the problem solved.
Then this
Admin deceptively changes redirect so that he/she can revert (nearly waring with me) a related edit and say
"
(no, "Capital of Macedonia" does not redirect here. Why would it?)," a clear LIE.
I consder this
warning the last straw in a series of bad faith edits (read Abuses) by this administrator.
Oh, in the end
after I mention bring it up here
he does the right thing so as not to look bad and says "maybe I'll be politically correct today."
Turns out he isn't a real admin, and his threats to block me is another falsehood.
I must say I can image why this one was dropped as an admin if that's the case.
GabrielVelasquez (
talk)
13:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I am getting sick of this. Because I am open with my political positions (though I've changed it since this whole thing began) and b/c he doesn't agree with my edits (though several other users have) Jusdafax has taken it upon himself to launch a crusade to make sure that everyone knows he thinks I have a right-wing agenda and it has grown rather annoying: [68], [69], [70], [71], [72], [73], [74], and [75]. I have been patient and hoped the fact that others (two liberals mind you) were agreeing with me would halt the baseless accusation, yet they continue. I ask that Jusdafax please stop this so we can get back to WP:CIVIL editing. Soxwon ( talk) 23:49, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I too am getting sick of this. Interestingly, Soxwon states he has now decided his proclaimed conservatism no longer serves his editing at Karl Rove and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VoteToImpeach, where I am not alone in my interest in his previously stated politics. He has used every tactic in the book to try to intimidate me, including a message I quote in full:
If you have a problem with me being up front with how I stand then discuss it with me, don't go following me about trying to frame me as some sort of right-wing demagogue. You have concerns about the environment and San Fran on your userpage, yet you don't see me going around calling you a hippie Californian Green peace nutjob now do you? Soxwon (talk) 19:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Of course, this message, from my perspective, is disingenuous in its contention he is not insulting me by "not" saying I'm "a hippie Californian Green peace nutjob". It seems to me Soxwon's message is meant to be intimidating, with a veneer of plausible denial. Tellingly, he does not see fit to include his message to me in his bill of particulars here. I have never used the tactic of attacking people on their personal page on anyone in Wikipedia, nor shall I. Yet, breathtakingly, Soxwon has brought the issue of Wikiquette to this forum, the same day he leaves his uncivil comment. This shows a confidence that astonishes me.
Soxwon appears to me to be highly agenda-driven on the Karl Rove page, which is why I took a look at his both his user page and his edits. The latter led me to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VoteToImpeach where I found 114.161.253.11 ( talk) complaining about his actions in much the same way I did. To quote: "I have to question Soxwon's motives for deletion, in light of the information on his user page stating: "I'm a right-wing capitalist, and for the most part conservative." Is this proposed deletion politically motivated?"
"Truth offends worse than fiction", as the saying goes. Today's actions at the page VoteToImpeach, in my opinion, speak for themselves. In itself, the page is not that important. As a test case, I looked into Soxwon's claims that the article should be deleted because it can't be referenced. Despite my coming up with seven in a few hours of part-time effort, it appears Soxwon has now decided he doesn't like the references, or more likely, the subject of a notable Attorney General, Ramsey Clark, and his website to impeach George Bush. Clark is additionally notable for defending Saddam Hussein at his trial. Is it really such a stretch to see that this person (Clark) and subject (voteToImpeach), to put it mildly, are almost certainly not going to be to a self-described "right-wing", "mostly-conservative" editor's liking?
Since the subject of Soxwon's recent history of a request for deletion (in my view, in this case, censorship) goes to the heart of his editing at the Karl Rove page, I placed a notice on the Karl Rove talk page asking for a discussion of what I see as his overall right-wing bias. Soxwon, true to form, instantly deleted it. I undid it, and gave my reasons. His response: delete, and call me a vandal. He understandably does not want broader attention called to his actions.
To conclude: This issue goes beyond mere Wikiquette and to the heart of how an on-line encyclopaedia should be edited. The Karl Rove page is one of a number of hotspots in Wikipedia. It goes without saying that many people who go online for history go to Wikipedia first. I contend that the issue at stake beyond who 'wins' this particular point.
What this is all really about is who gets the self-proclaimed right (to quote another of Soxwon's attempts at intimidation again on today's VoteToImpeach deletion page discussion, "...you're now outvoted and by two far more experienced editors.") to censor history his way using various tactics including making me out to be uncivil and 'punish' me - all for speaking in a forthright manner regarding him, and my deep concerns about an admitted "right-winger" editing with an agenda.
Thanks for taking the time to read this. Jusdafax ( talk) 02:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I must add to the Justafax complaints. He's accused me of being a sock puppet, he's called me a joke, he went to my talk page and lifted material I had deleted and pasted it on the Karl Rove talk page. He's angry, inappropriate, insensitive to the needs of others, and seems to think only his opinion matters. Along with his friend VsevolodKrolikov, who both seem so like minded, he is edit warring material on the Karl Rove page that has been well cited and researched to fit his agenda. Whoever can do something about this, please do it ASAP. Many thanks Malke 2010 ( talk) 15:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Xellas is personally attacked my character and integrity in Momusufan's talk page because of what I wrote in Location hypotheses of Atlantis. They include innuendo and speculation falsely implying that I either support Robert Sarmast, I am Robert Sarmast, or have some vendetta against him. Also, he or she falsely claimed that my contributions contain "details" that "Sarmast never spoke or published anything to". Presumably, this falsehood is evidence of his spurious allegation that I am either conspiring with Sarmast or actually am Sarmast. In addition, concerning the Location hypotheses of Atlantis, he or she stated:
Have you seen any other theory to be debunked in here? Of course not!!
Here he falsely implies that the only editing that I have done on this article has been on its Cyprus section. Given that I have edited and contributed text to sections of Location hypotheses of Atlantis about Antarctica, Azores, Canary Islands, and Sundaland. his statement "Of course not!!" is completely false. As a review of my posting history shows, I was editing and contributing to Wikipedia articles long before I did any editing of Location hypotheses of Atlantis. His or her comments about me clearly violate Wikiquette. He or she needs to cease posting these fraudulent and uncivil allegations and retract the fictional claims and allegations that have been posted so far.
Recent discussion about User:Xellas and the Location hypotheses of Atlantis article can be found at User talk:Xellas Paul H. ( talk) 15:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
The comments that I am referring to are currently the bottom paragraphs by Xellas of the section, Regarding the vandalsim of Location of atlantis, which is currently at the bottom of the Momusufan's talk page. Instances of the false accusations of being someone, whom I am not are:
No geologist would spent his time with a failure like sarmast unless is Robert himself or knows him very well and either a conflict or sympathizes with his work.
and
Ok Paul? Or Should I say ok Sarmast.
In the above statements, Xellas is falsely implying that I am someone, whom I am not, and have hidden agendas that I do not have. In order to support these claims, he or she falsely claimed:
How come you know his work in details when Sarmast never spoke or published anything to that extend?
The material that I contributed to Location hypotheses of Atlantis contains only information that I found on either his book, his website, or a web site about the The Urantia Book to which Sarmast contributed articles (and found using Google). Xellas' claim that I have inside knowledge of Sarmast's ideas is an absolute falsehood.
Overall, his or her comments focus mainly on attacking me and my motives for contributing to Location hypotheses of Atlantis, which uncivil behavior on his or her part. Paul H. ( talk) 16:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:GabrielVelasquez&diff=311788222&oldid=311757130
not that I am afraid of
User:BatteryIncluded but i don't see that this kind of behavior should accepted.
The context is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:BatteryIncluded&diff=311784400&oldid=311202540
Copied from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Space_and_survival&diff=311778738&oldid=311764686
Thank you for your consideration.
GabrielVelasquez (
talk)
06:29, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi - I noticed that my posting got archived without there ever being a resolution (here: Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts/archive71#personal attacks, accusations presuming bad faith)... Should I repost anything; is it still ongoing or has it been dropped on the floor? Luminifer ( talk) 17:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Please straighten this guy out about his language and maybe his thinking. Thanks, MBHiii ( talk) 05:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:::The
edit war continues.
- sinneed (
talk) 18:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC) Unrelated, I followed Mbhiii to
Yankee Doodle and confused myself. Apologies if I confused anyone else.
- sinneed (
talk)
03:03, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
User User talk:Karkeixa (accused of Spamming, accused of going against the WP:3rr, acussed of vandalism) is close to the insult of my (and others, and organisations and everyone that has no his point of view) in Talk:Leonese language of multiple things without proofs. I think that this actitude is against Wikipedia good faith policy, wikipedia etiquette policy, and that this actitude must end, specially because he has been advertised. Thank you and I'm at your disposal for clarifying everything.-- Auslli ( talk) 17:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
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User:ChildofMidnight ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
has recently been creating an uncivil editing environment at the Barney Frank article. This behavior includes edit warring, belittling other editors' content in edit summaries, and repeated insertion of content despite requests to allow the relevant discussion on the article's talk page to take place.
I started to become more involved in the article after I saw that User:ChildofMidnight may have been engaging in edit warring by repeatedly attempting to insert a particular piece of information, despite objections from another editor [76], [77], [78], [79]. Between the third and fourth attempt to insert, I posted a comment on his talk pageAt this point, I performed my first and only revert ever of this disputed content [80], stating WP:UNDUE as my reason in the edit summary. Before my revert, rougly one third of the "early life" section of the article was about Frank's father's connection to organized crime. Shortly thereafter, I joined a discussion on his talk page, in which he followed my above comment with
Administrator User:Chillum intervened, and agknowledged that both sides of the argument were legitemate, and suggested that we discuss the disputed content on Talk:Barney Frank. I then went and created this section on the talk page, where I and several other editors are discussing the addition of this content. This morning, ChildofMidnight made this edit, with the summary
and then proceeded to insert the information he attempted to add before for a fifth time [81]. I now see that very shorly before I created the talk page section, ChildofMidnight created one as well, where he says that"if we can't have accurate encyclopedic statements then there's no room for this bullshit puffery in the opening paragraphs"
The editor that ChildofMidnight was going back and forth with before I became a part of the situation is User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters. I think that if this behavior continues, people are going to get baited, and it will be extremely difficult to work on the article. MichaelLNorth ( talk) 19:51, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Bethel Church, Mansfield Woodhouse
I was a member of this church for nearly 10 years of my childhood. I am currently in therapy because of it. But that's beside the point. The article detailing the truth about this church is constantly being sabotaged by current church members, being replaced by a very nice-nice benign small paragraph about how it's just a regular church. If you look at the revision history, just today they have changed it at least six times, and I have been refreshing the page and changed it back just as many times.
I don't know if there's anything that can be done, if the article can be locked up or something. It has been changed by different IP addresses on different days. Today, it's been 81.138.10.158 , previously, it has been 82.2.31.240 , user Jjburt, and numerous others. (Up until 5 minutes ago, I was IP # 68.9.22.155)
At one time, the discussion page was completely blanked as well. I undid that, and it looks like user WBardwin was kind enough to format it and make it look pretty.
You can imagine how aggravating this is, the back-and-forth, over and over again, an uphill battle. I hope something can be done.
O0pandora0o ( talk) 14:15, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
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User:76.75.4.195 has proven themselves to be a pretty disruptive editor, trying to make a point on Sublime (band)--the editor is arguing that Sublime without the original singer and guitar player, now dead, is not Sublime, and that the singer and guitar player who is slated to play on the Sublime reunion, a guy called "Rome", is being added to the WP article in defiance of the spirit of the original band. Moreover, WP editors who comment on his disruptive edits are said, on the talk page, to be sucking Rome's cock, and they are fags to boot. Well, I'm not a prude, but that seems a little bit too rude here. Your advice is appreciated. I understand this board is not the place to ask for a block, but I am unsure which path to pursue here--the editor is rude and boorish, takes extensive liberties with the English language (I do not approve of "douche" as an abbreviation of "douchebag"), and acts in a disruptive manner. Thank you for your concern; please wash your hands after looking at the editor's contributions. Drmies ( talk) 03:29, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I thought the matter of User:Abductive not assuming good faith with me had been dealt with at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Another personal attack on an AFD and when another editor reproached him here [83], but now there has been another attack from him here [84], and I think this is the best forum to discuss it.
Both examples represent incivility and bad faith in assuming that an editor has ulterior motives. Both are an attack on my good standing as an editor who does his best to follow WP rules. I think Abductive should try to concentrate more on the issues at hand and not other editors possible motivations. Johnfos ( talk) 17:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
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User:Izno is continually reverting front crawl to freestyle in the list of strokes and their speeds. The correct terminology is front crawl, especially when comparing it to other strokes. This is attested to by the actual article on front crawl (to which freestyle stroke redirects anyway). He is editing in bad faith, as reasons for this terminology have been posted on the talk page for the article, and he has not responded but continues to revert.
I'm not sure what to do here. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.172.15.234 ( talk) 02:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know anything about WQA (just found it by searching around about edit disputes), and didn't realize I was supposed to notify anyone. I doubt it would have made any difference since he has been unresponsive on the talk page. I apologize for sharp words but I was trying to get him to respond on the talk page (not that civility has any bearing on accuracy - facts are facts. this is a minor and silly dispute in the first place and I can't believe anyone would continue reverting accurate terminology into inaccurate terminology like this). I will make sure not to use insulting terms in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.172.15.234 ( talk) 04:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
User User:Likebox has been presented with clear arguments as to why a segment of Quantum mysticism is WP:Synth. This argument was convincing to a WP:3O. Still LikeBox holds his position and displays considerable ownership over the text. His argument are not clear and additional interpretations/perspectives would be useful. A note was left at Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard three days ago but has yet to be addressed.-- OMCV ( talk) 02:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
(deindent) To 2/0: this is not a synth, because none of the ideas there are original in any way. It might seem that way if you do not read the sources provided, because the ideas are weird. They appear first in Everett's thesis, in a hard-to-understand quantum form, then they appear in Dennett and Hofstadter's book. Hofstadter also has an article on many-worlds. I am not so perfectly well read on everything that I could find all the sources which do this, but I feel that there should be a few more, considering how widely discussed this idea was in the 1970s and 1980s. Likebox ( talk) 21:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I've been keeping an eye on the History Wars article as an uninvolved admin. While the present dispute over its contents certainly hasn't been conducted in line with Wikipedia's dispute resolution process, both sides of the discussion are at fault for this in my view - there's been no serious efforts to develop consensus text, seek outside views or approach experienced mediators. As such, while Likebox could improve their conduct in this discussion and show greater respect for other editors (I found their appeals to other editors to participate in the article as a 'jerk' to frustrate the editors they disagree with to be particularly concerning) no lines which warrant sanctions have been crossed. Nick-D ( talk) 11:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I was hoping to get another opinion on a conduct issue.
Recently on Homeopathy and the associated talk page, User:Dbrisinda and I (as well as others on the page) got into a disagreement on small issues like the placement of citations and inclusion of descriptors such as the word "few".
This user apparently got frustrated and left the following on the article talk page, "translating" my words into something I did not say, and certainly did not mean. [6]
After seeing this, I left a note [7] asking him to not do this again. (see the rest of thread at his user page).
Instead of removing or striking out his comments, he justified it by implying I was not being truthful or reasonable. I asked him not to make such implications as I considered them an attack on my character, and he repeated them, saying that I needed to prove to him that I would be more "truthful" and "reasonable" before he would stop making such statements, presumably by agreeing with him on the content dispute on homeopathy. At this point I decided to disengage with him on his talk page as it was obvious he saw no problem with his conduct.
An uninvolved user then deleted User:Dbrisinda's original "translation" from the homeopathy talk page and posted on his talk page not to do so again. He again tried to justify this behavior by trying to prove a point to "readers" how unreasonable I was being.
Is this acceptable behavior? I do not plan on letting this incivility drive me from commenting on or editing the Homeopathy article, and as such, any advice on how to proceed is appreciated. Yobol ( talk) 23:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
[undent] In this edit Dbrisinda moves my comment to which (s)he was replying out of its original context (in which its meaning and intent would, I think, have been immediately apparent), and then implies that my edit is pointless or senseless (see edit summary and the words "Come again?" in the edit) and that I was arguing the opposite of what I had been arguing (I had been arguing that the wording of the article, "they are few in number", meant exactly what it said, and Dbrisinda had been arguing that it meant "few compared to the non-positive studies"). Is this acceptable (I may be being a bit too thin-skinned here, but I found it quite annoying)? Brunton ( talk) 09:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm reporting personal attacks against me and lack of etiquette from the above-mentioned users with regard to their comments on this talk page. This is somewhat surprising considering Tfz's stated opinion of "trolling", "respect" and "posturing" (see his talk page).
Diffs:
I have no idea how many more personal attacks against me might have come into being in Wikipedia over the last few months, but I would like to see them, and inability to assume good faith, eradicated.
A note to HighKing: I couldn't possibly be anti-Irish, as I am Irish myself. Just because you may be prejudiced, there is no reason to tar everyone else with your own brush. You clearly know nothing of my "motives". -- Setanta 02:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Previously took this to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Gurbinder_singh1 and the editor was blocked, and here Wikiquette and the editor was warned and encouraged to do better. However:
I don't feel partial protection is called for, much of the content in these articles comes (painfully) from anon editors and the problem isn't that severe. I am unsure that further blocking will do any good, the editor works anonymously, clearly by choice, as the editor had an account but only used it for the edit war that led to the block. Ideas? I struggled with where to take this, and considered the edit war page, ANI... but I am hopeful that guidance from other ordinary editors might help. - sinneed ( talk) 09:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
User:Ruslik0 on Solar System [9] HarryAlffa ( talk) 19:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
And now another incivility from User:Ruslik0, "this is disruption" [11], with no communication in the relevant sections (created by me for the purpose) in the Talk page. Please someone have a word with him. HarryAlffa ( talk) 17:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
I want to provide a brief excursus into the recent history. HarryAlffa began his disruption of the Solar System article back in the May (or even in August-September last year). He started FAR, which was soon closed as keep. In the course of it he made a lot of uncivil remarks about mental abilities of other editors. You can see them by reading the page or in the history. I want only to provide one diff. After that FAR the relations between HarryAlffa and other editors were poisoned, and I generally stop assuming good faith on behave of this editor. AGF is a great policy, but not a suicide pact. However I expected that HarryAlffa would at least back off, instead he started an RFC, where he tried to get what he had not got in FAR. Insults followed as usual, but RFC produced no results. In the June HarryAlffa was blocked for one week, partly because of problems with Solar System article (but not only). Since then he lied low for some time, but recently resumed his activities. So, when I wrote "disruption", I made this claim taking into account the previous history. Ruslik_ Zero 19:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Kintetsubuffalo ( talk · contribs) has twice called me a sockpuppet ( here and here). This is uncalled for. There is nothing that warrants this outrageous accusation, this assumption of bad faith. Disagreeing with me is no problem, undoing my edits is no problem, but incivility is extremely bad form. 94.212.31.237 ( talk) 17:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I proposed my javascript code in my monobook.js file to be a gadget in en wiki. TheDJ reviewed this and proposed some changes, which I did. On May 25 he posted this note to me on his talk page:
"It is looking much better now. Now we only need a name for the thing, and I will add it to the Gadgets. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)"
From this time to the current he
1) has not put the code up as a gadget
2) has refused to answer any of my communications with him, which has been several although not too many.
It has been 3 months that I have been stonewalled. I would like a communication from him telling me the reasons why he did not put my code up as a gadget, after he said he would. It is impolite to refuse to communicate with someone if they have not been abusive or broken Wiki policy.
I am personally subject to a hate campaign in Australia where I live and am concerned that this campaign has spread to him.
Endo999 ( talk) 17:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
This reply by TheDJ is not
1) a reason why he did not put up the gadget, when he said he would. 2) a breach of civility. 'Hi' is not a reason why he did not respond to me for 3 months
Endo999 ( talk) 20:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Allegations: { User:Protonk - speedily deleted a page I had written The Uses of Literacy- and was working on. It was only one paragraph with rewording and citing but with a quote (in quotation marks) from the source. It was from one source as it stated but it was, in my view appropriately cited and reworded. Protonk speedily deleted it as obvious copyright violation, which I disputed and dispute, and refused to help me with how to find out how to undelete it or complain. Just told me to write it again. ( Msrasnw ( talk) 16:23, 31 August 2009 (UTC))
The Four Deuces ( talk · contribs) has claimed in an edit summary that he was reverting an edit by me that wasn't by me: "Reverse Introman's edit - please discuss on talk page." [12] As you can see, the edit was done by a user "12.160.113.34." Apparently The Four Deuces has assumed it was me in disguise, since I told him I would probably start using another username in order to keep him from stalking me which I think he had been doing. I think this should be nipped in the bud, because I can see foresee him claiming all kinds of edits are by me when they're not. This would lead to me having a reputation as a bad editor if the edits are poor. Without evidence he shouldn't make claims like this, especially in a public display for everyone to be misled. I think it's bad ethics and really offensive. Thanks for your assistance. Introman ( talk) 02:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Introman has posted abusive messages on the talk pages of two editors.
Posted to User talk:The Four Deuces:
Posted to User talk:Rick Norwood:
The Four Deuces ( talk) 03:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
This is crazy. Both Rick Norwood and Four Deuces are the most horrendous Wikipedia editors I've ever come across, in terms of ethics and integrity (and also in terms of editing). They appear to work as POV team. I'm sorry to say, that I can't hold on to the "assume good faith" practice anymore with these two. Rick Norwood just makes up things and then cites a source claiming the source back up what he put in the article. Then if I try to fix it, Four Deuces will come in to prevent that by reverting it back. And both of them give deceptive edit summaries. Dishonesty just seems to pervade everything they do. Four Deuces seems to watch which articles I go to revert any edit I make no matter how minor because apparently he has something personal against me. But, on top of this, I suspect that they're the same person trying to get around three revert rules. One time I said something to one and the other one replied instead, but by the contents of the message it seemed as if he forgot to switch back to the other username. I'll see if I can find it. And what do you know, one comes here to defend the other just as one always come to prevent me from changing the other's edits, IN EVERY CASE. That they're the same people is just a suspicion right now though, I want to make clear. Anyway, to the best of my ability I try to represent sources as accurately as possible, and if you look at my edit summaries, they're VERY detailed, more than anyone else I've seen so that people know exactly what I'm doing. I have nothing to hide. So it's frustrating to have to deal with others who aren't willing to show anything close to the same respect. Without honest people and integrity, the world doesn't work very well, and Wikipedia is no exception. Introman ( talk) 05:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
The Four Deuces: I see you are making some new claims. For example:
Rick Norwood and I have attempted to discuss Introman's edits with him
Introman has merely reverted to his preferred version
often contradicting what he had previously said
An examination of his comments clearly shows that he has no understanding of the subjects of the articles he edits
in fact does not even read the articles
He is also in conflict with other editors at the Libertarianism article
All claims should be supported by diffs. The way WP:WQA works is that the person bringing the claims supplies the evidence, and the WQA community then examines the evidence. It is not the WQA community who searches for the evidence.
Introman: I notice that at least one of your posts here involves aggressively defensive language:
Stop lying about me
Your comments are addressed to
User:The Four Deuces For example: Running like a little girl to administrators
Allegations regarding your behaviour have been put before the WP:WQA community. Ideally, your posts here should be addressed to the WP:WQA community. The WP:WQA community is able to recommend in your favor, or against you. It is not in your interests to make posts here that display your propensity for self-defence and assertiveness. The WP:WQA community has done nothing to offend you. It is in your interests to display your skills at co-operation, willingness to work with others and willingness to assume good faith. Displaying those things would help the WQA community to recommend in your favor.
Dolphin51 (
talk)
13:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Rick Norwood has done it again. He's again put a dishonest edit summary, deleting sourced content saying he's doing the opposite: [26] This is how Rick Norwood and Four Deuces operate. If I revert this back to the truly sourced version, Four Deuces will show up and revert it back to how Norwood wants it (unless he's laying low now that he's been exposed). The lack of ethics is really frustrating. As you can see as I showed above, quoting the sources, those references do explicitly support that Adam Smith was classical liberal. He's also deleting John Locke, along with those references: "John Locke's Second Treatise of Government (1689) in may ways remains the clearest statement of the classical liberal's devotion to each individual's liberty." [27] "In this book I will use the term classical liberalism to refer to those pre-ninenteenth cnetury thinkers, such as John Locke..." [28]. So in addition to the false edit summaries, these two just DENY DENY DENY what is right in their face, because they don't like what the sources say. Introman ( talk) 20:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
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Here are his reverts to Classical liberalism: [31] Diff Edit summary
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An examination of his comments clearly shows that he has no understanding of the subjects of the articles he edits and in fact does not even read the articles, below |
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Introman inserted the following text into the lead of Conservatism in the United States: The capitalist conservatism that dominated the Reagan administration which favored a more or less laissez-faire free market economy arose from classical liberalism. We discussed it at Talk:Conservatism in the United States:
It says in the article "Freidrich Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, Ayn Rand, and Milton Friedman advocated a return to classical liberal or libertarian policies and together provided a vigorous criticism of the welfare state and Keynsian economics.... In 1965 conservatives campaigned for Buckley as a third party candidate for Mayor of New York and in 1966 for Ronald Reagan, who was elected governor of California. Reagan sought the Republican presidential nomination in 1968 and 1976, before finally being elected president in 1980. [32] |
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Here is a mention of the dispute on the talk page. He began arguing with User:Carolmooredc in May and the dispute continues 3 months later: User:Introman - whose user page says My name is Introman, and I only do intros. Working on bodies of articles is beneath me. - chooses to distort an introduction that outlines the current version of the article. CarolMooreDC (talk) 02:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC) First, you don't just make some comment that barely addresses my concerns and stick back in your comment. This is edit warring WP:3rr. Second, you do NOT address my first concern, that if you want to talk about "best known version of libertarianism" you should also mention the other references that talk about private ownership and free market libertarianism being better known, per the discussion of that issue. (And deleting rest of discussion as irrelevant.) Third, if you addressed that it would be clear that "Means of production" not the phrase all those sources would use. It is a heavily charged socialist/communist term, as you yourself admit above. To engage in truly cooperative editing you should revert yourself and address my concerns above. CarolMooreDC (talk) 18:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC) [33] |
(out) Here is another example of what I see as edit-warring by Introman, which happened today, and with which I had no involvement. The lead of Modern liberalism in the United States contains the statement:
Without discussion, Introman then added the following to the end of the sentence:
Although the first edit by Introman was referenced to Problems of market liberalism, it actually refers to an article in the book by Gerald F. Gaus which presents a point of view. More importantly the article says nothing about the founding of America as a liberal nation. [37]
The Four Deuces ( talk) 23:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I find it really suspicious how Four Deuces is SO protective of Rick Norwood's edits. Never has he challenged or complained about anything Rick Norwood has done, no matter how attrocious. So quick to try to do whatever he thinks might work to keep me from changing Rick Norwood's edits. Hmm... Introman ( talk) 00:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Introman, on this page complaints have been made about some of your edits and, by implication, complaints about your willingness to participate in a reasonable and scholarly manner. I have examined all the evidence provided here, and in addition I have done some of my own research. I have noticed that where Introman goes, conflict goes too.
I agree that you are not the only User displaying a lack of fraternal spirit. Others have displayed antipathy towards you. However, I have seen evidence that these others display a commendably fraternal spirit towards Users other than you. I have not yet seen such a display from you, but I will give you full opportunity to show that it exists.
I can say at this stage that I am likely to conclude that your preferred style of communication on Wikipedia is a competitive, combative style. I am also likely to conclude that it is your style of communication on Wikipedia that ensures conflict is your constant companion.
If I finally reach these conclusions I can do nothing more than encourage you to recognise that on Wikipedia you are among friends; that your knowledge and competence are not under threat to the extent that you need to defend them vigorously on a daily basis. I will recommend that you strive to develop a new persona, a new style of communication that will be appropriate to dealing with friends in what is, after all, a hobby for all of us.
Before I reach these conclusions I am keen for you to have the opportunity to comment, and to argue against these possible conclusions, if that is your preference. If you disagree with me, could you provide me with one or two recent diffs that show you communicating with another User in a friendly, non-combative and scholarly manner? That would help me. Thanks for your patience in this matter. Dolphin51 ( talk) 11:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to point out Four Deuces himself given bogus edit summaries. It's not just "Rick Norwood." Many times, in more than one article, he says he's reverting to "Restore agreed version." But this so obviously untrue. If it was agreed, then why are people making changes that he's reverting? Obviously, what he wants is not agreed to. And, note, these reversions with "Restore agreed version" are not only for my edits, but for the edits of others users as well. Here are some examples from the Social liberalism article: [38] [39] [40] [41] This dishonesty is very irritating. But as I said, I will will try to be more ...gentle? in my responses. But as you can see, anyone would be highly upset at this type of behavior. Introman ( talk) 23:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
(out) I did of course explain my changes in detail in the talk pages. Introman first changed the lead in four edits with the notation ""modern liberalism" is the more used term" in his first edit. [47] [48] I reverted back with the notation: "Removed OR from lead - must agree to sources given" [49] Introman then made another edit with the notation "removing unsourced" [50] followed by four more edits. [51].
I then set up a section on the talk page where I stated:
In conclusion, when I reverted Introman's edits, I provided an explanation in my edits and on the talk page and my main reason given was that the new edit was not supported by sources, but in fact contradicted the sources cited. I did mention that other editors had agreed to the version he changed, but did not give that as the main reason for my disagreement with his edits.
The Four Deuces ( talk) 14:28, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Some time ago I added some text to the Power ballad, with references. Recently, that text was removed without much discussion - leaving the article in a non-NPOV status, in my opinion. To clear up the problem (to see my summary, of the problem, look at the talk page at Talk:Power ballad), I removed some more text from the article, which I believed to have weasel words, and to have a non-NPOV. This edit was reverted - without discussion - as 'vandalism' by User:Peter Fleet. I asked on User talk:Peter Fleet why it was called vandalism - and he presumed bad faith on my part (ignoring most of the cateogories listed as things that are not vandalism on the vandalism policy page), to my eyes not having read any of my discussions about the change previously. In his response to my question, he used personal attacks in his edit summary, calling me a "vandal". [ [52]] aka User:Wiki libs used some further text which I took to assume not good faith, and which involved more personal attacks (such as Fleet the consensus on that page is that Lumi is wrong (common). I might have let this slide, but this is not the first time both of these users have acted in what I consider to be bad faith (i.e. WP:DICK), and assumed the worst/reverted without question, either with regards to an edit I made or that someone else made. I believe the philosophy that is being shown here (illustrated by Libs' recent update to their talk page -- for 2 weeks.... Hey King, Hey Sssoul, Hey Ms Bathory... you are in charge now... revert every single edit to every single music page until I get back!!!) is disruptive to newcoming editors, who will be discouraged by the strongly negative reaction, and overall has a negative effect on wikipedia (despite any vandalism that is prevented). I would appreciate it if some outsiders with fresh eyes looked into this situation, and told either me, or them, or both, what they are doing wrong. Thanks. Luminifer ( talk) 02:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I can see where Luminifer was issued a warning on his talk page. But this warning was not issued by either of the 2 people he has named in his complaint. Luminifer did delete referenced text from the article after posting on the article talk page about his personal objection to the text but only removed it after his own contribution to the page was removed due to poor sourcing. This is most certainly a bad faith edit. Deleting sourced text from an article just to prove a point is not vandalism but is certainly the equivalent even if WP:VANDAL does not detail as such. In either respect no warning was ever issued over the bad-faith edit. Further review of the recent edit history of the page shows that Off2riorob also deleted the same referenced text from the article but was reverted and received a vandalism warning for removing the sourced text. If Luminifer did not receive a warning on his talk page from the 2 people named in his complaint how did either editor breach Wiki-etiquette? Fair Deal ( talk) 20:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
On the Proton Therapy page user mdphd2012 contributed an entry that all other editors agreed was inappropriate in tone (as well as inaccurate in content). mdphd2012 has been unwilling to make any changes suggested by other editors, and has undone any edits by other editors of his/her contributions. Other editors have attempted to engage mdphd2012 in discussion toward a consensus solution without success. mdphd2012 has also removed inappropriate tone banners placed by other editors on his material multiple times. mdphd2012 has also labeled signed and justified (by comment) changes made by other editors as "vandalism" AE1978 ( talk) 13:04, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I am requesting a neutral, third party to intervene in a wikiquette regarding this editor. He has placed a personal attack against me in an article talk page and failed to assume good faith on my part. The origins of this incident are at the Survivorman article.
The paragraph that I felt was an opinion was subsequently removed by another editor.
On a side note, there appears to be additional incidents of GabrielVelasquez not AGF on Talk:Planetary habitability. I am not involved in this dispute and have no further comment or opinion upon the matter.
If a neutral, third party can intervene in this issue, I would appreciate it. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 00:29, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Good day,
I am posting this here because I believe it to be the best place to do so. If I am incorrect, I humbly request to be directed to the correct page.
In the general area of pages related to the lonelygirl15 web series, we currently have some trouble with User:Otterathome, who seems to have made it his personal goal in life to remove as much as he can get of LG15 from Wikipedia; he started nominating a large number of pages related to the series, mostly of the actors involved, but also of spin-offs. That, in itself, is -of course- not a problem. The problem is the way he behaved afterwards:
I believe it is very clear that Otterathome has a personal vendetta against LG15 content on Wikipedia, rather than any interest in improving any of its pages. Let me assure you that I am not questioning the nomination of the articles per se. That is, of course, his good right, and I admit some of the pages were not exactly in good shape when he nominated them (they improved considerably during the AfD, another fact which he refused to even acknowledge).
What I take issue with are not the nominations themselves. What I take issue with are the facts that he
Nominating something over notability concerns is one thing. Insisting on deletion over all other options, continuing to fight for deletion even after a decision was made, and immediately trying to get rid of a page through non-deletion measures after deletion was rejected, is an entirely different thing.
Once more, since I know this will be his first argument when he sees this: I am not making any statements about the notability of the pages in question, or his right to nominate pages for deletion. I purely take issue with his unwillingness to consider other options, his relentlessness despite official decisions having been made, and, ultimately, also with the new tone he's
putting on now that he wants to merge the page away - "I'll give you until next month to find more sources so it passes our guidelines, otherwise it will have to be merged or deleted" sounds almost like he considers himself an admin of sorts, and entirely ignores the fact that it has just been decided that that exact page will be kept.
As such, I am here today to request assistance with this situation from the community at large. Independent from all notability concerns, Otterathome's behavior is more than questionable and directly interfering with our efforts to provide an encyclopedic overview of the LG15 franchise.
Thank you for your time.
Hi, I would like to add my two-cents to this discussion. I have been dealing with Otterathome in the third deletion review for Jackson Davis. If you read my edits there, I have largely been debating policy with him, as opposed to his actions, but I do feel his actions need to be addressed, so I am bringing them here.
Otter seems to have a personal vendetta against the web series genre, but no real knowledge of it. see quote: "It doesn't state anything about webshows, but I don't know if any of them are "commercially produced or significant" because they have so few sources.", see his entire argument here about WP:ENT, and this entire post.
He discredits sources without knowing enough about the sources as well. For instance, in this diff, he states that the two actors Jackson appeared on an interview with were not notable, without bothering to learn about the people first. He also continues to insist that a show is a "non-notable web show" even after citation showing otherwise had been added to the page.
Although WP:DEADLINE is not an official rule, it is a general guideline, which he does not follow. See diff - "7 days is long enough seeing as closing statement at DRV suggested to relist it [Please note: The closer actually said "no prejudice against relisting" NOT "you should relist it again."] There has been plenty of time for editors to improve the article, I nominated it at the start of August, nearly a whole month." He also seems to misunderstand WP:NOTAGAIN, which he cites over and over to defend his actions. diff, diff2, diff3, etc etc.
WP:NOTAGAIN states that "If an article is frivolously nominated (or renominated) for deletion, then editors are justified in opposing the renomination. Frivolous renominations may constitute disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point, especially when there was a consensus to keep it in the past, or when only a short time has elapsed since the last nomination." Therefore, his continual use of citing NOTAGAIN to justify his actions are not accurate ( for my full point, see here). Whenever this is pointed out to him he ignores it. This demonstrates an attempt to game the system and wikilawyering. Another example of gaming the system appears when he tries to argue for using WP:BAND as a guideline for a source for Jackson Davis (an actor), while taking the context of the guideline totally out of context.
He also uses tactics to discredit the other voters in the discussion, such as adding the notavote template ( diff) when things are not going his way, declaring a user to be an SpA voter when they disagree with him (which fails WP:NEWBIES), and adding the puffery template to the article when the AfD was not going his way. (See my reply to that in full here.)
He also does not show civility when dealing with other users in the debate, calling another user's post a "long rant", told a user "when you stop failing WP:AGF & WP:CIVIL and stop criticizing Wikipedia itself", telling a user "Why do you keep repeating yourself? I don't think you know what consensus means.", saying "Wow Zoeydahling you sure know your stuff." in a clearly sarcastic manner, and tells a user who simply voices their opinion "You've basically just repeated everything that has already been said so have contributed nothing new.", thereby simply dismissing that user's opinions without any real reason to.
He tells a user to WP:AGF, but clearly shows WP:IRONY in doing so, as his actions linked throughout this post demonstrate that he does not, in fact, show good faith. The policy explicitly states "Unless there is strong evidence to the contrary, assume that people who work on the project are trying to help it, not hurt it." (emphasis added) I believe I have demonstrated throughout this post that he does not, in fact, show good faith in dealing with editors and is once again trying to game the system and wikilaywer, as he is misrepresenting policy and attempting to discredit any users who call him out on his behavior by simply citing the policy (without understanding its underlying theme, that you should assume good faith until it is proven otherwise).
I would also like to point out diffs like these: 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 which further clarify my point from the words of other editors.
In conclusion, I would very much appreciate if Otterathome's behavior could be addressed, and perhaps he could even be discouraged (if not outright banned) from editing articles on the web series genre which he clearly knows nothing about and cannot edit in a calm and rational manner. Additionally, I would like to note that this post just addresses his behavior on the Jackson Davis AfD, as his behavior on the LG15: The Last deletion/merge was already addressed above. However, I believe that information also demonstrates the same principles I have just addressed.
Thank you very much for your time.
-- Zoeydahling ( talk) 00:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
UPDATE: Mere hours after the Jackson Davis AfD was closed as keep, Otterathome has decided to go after another Lonelygirl15-related article Mesh Flinders ( AfD). It is pretty clear that he is determined to rid the Wiki of any LG15-related content in any way he can and will not get over it, let go, or just drop it. He appears to be guilty of tendentious editing (not having a neutral point of view when it comes to such articles). Thanks. -- Zoeydahling ( talk) 20:44, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Troublemaker1949 has been engaging in disruptive behaviour at an AfD for an article they created
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zane Carpenter and are fully in breach of
WP:CIVIL and
WP: NPA. Also been hassloing the nominator here:
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I had attempted to avert another indecent where Wikipedia was misquoted to people
"Thessaloniki is the Capital of the Republic of Macedonia"
with this edit.
This edit was reverted and changed and mocked and reduce and finally made invisible by an abusive Admin's
perverse mockery.
I had to press for
this to be added and
and this arrogant Admin just could not be wrong.
Later when trying to solve this I had reverted the vandalism when I noticed "Capital of Macedonia"
redirected to "Adolf Hitler,"
and changed it to "Thessaloniki" and I thought
with this the problem solved.
Then this
Admin deceptively changes redirect so that he/she can revert (nearly waring with me) a related edit and say
"
(no, "Capital of Macedonia" does not redirect here. Why would it?)," a clear LIE.
I consder this
warning the last straw in a series of bad faith edits (read Abuses) by this administrator.
Oh, in the end
after I mention bring it up here
he does the right thing so as not to look bad and says "maybe I'll be politically correct today."
Turns out he isn't a real admin, and his threats to block me is another falsehood.
I must say I can image why this one was dropped as an admin if that's the case.
GabrielVelasquez (
talk)
13:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I am getting sick of this. Because I am open with my political positions (though I've changed it since this whole thing began) and b/c he doesn't agree with my edits (though several other users have) Jusdafax has taken it upon himself to launch a crusade to make sure that everyone knows he thinks I have a right-wing agenda and it has grown rather annoying: [68], [69], [70], [71], [72], [73], [74], and [75]. I have been patient and hoped the fact that others (two liberals mind you) were agreeing with me would halt the baseless accusation, yet they continue. I ask that Jusdafax please stop this so we can get back to WP:CIVIL editing. Soxwon ( talk) 23:49, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I too am getting sick of this. Interestingly, Soxwon states he has now decided his proclaimed conservatism no longer serves his editing at Karl Rove and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VoteToImpeach, where I am not alone in my interest in his previously stated politics. He has used every tactic in the book to try to intimidate me, including a message I quote in full:
If you have a problem with me being up front with how I stand then discuss it with me, don't go following me about trying to frame me as some sort of right-wing demagogue. You have concerns about the environment and San Fran on your userpage, yet you don't see me going around calling you a hippie Californian Green peace nutjob now do you? Soxwon (talk) 19:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Of course, this message, from my perspective, is disingenuous in its contention he is not insulting me by "not" saying I'm "a hippie Californian Green peace nutjob". It seems to me Soxwon's message is meant to be intimidating, with a veneer of plausible denial. Tellingly, he does not see fit to include his message to me in his bill of particulars here. I have never used the tactic of attacking people on their personal page on anyone in Wikipedia, nor shall I. Yet, breathtakingly, Soxwon has brought the issue of Wikiquette to this forum, the same day he leaves his uncivil comment. This shows a confidence that astonishes me.
Soxwon appears to me to be highly agenda-driven on the Karl Rove page, which is why I took a look at his both his user page and his edits. The latter led me to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VoteToImpeach where I found 114.161.253.11 ( talk) complaining about his actions in much the same way I did. To quote: "I have to question Soxwon's motives for deletion, in light of the information on his user page stating: "I'm a right-wing capitalist, and for the most part conservative." Is this proposed deletion politically motivated?"
"Truth offends worse than fiction", as the saying goes. Today's actions at the page VoteToImpeach, in my opinion, speak for themselves. In itself, the page is not that important. As a test case, I looked into Soxwon's claims that the article should be deleted because it can't be referenced. Despite my coming up with seven in a few hours of part-time effort, it appears Soxwon has now decided he doesn't like the references, or more likely, the subject of a notable Attorney General, Ramsey Clark, and his website to impeach George Bush. Clark is additionally notable for defending Saddam Hussein at his trial. Is it really such a stretch to see that this person (Clark) and subject (voteToImpeach), to put it mildly, are almost certainly not going to be to a self-described "right-wing", "mostly-conservative" editor's liking?
Since the subject of Soxwon's recent history of a request for deletion (in my view, in this case, censorship) goes to the heart of his editing at the Karl Rove page, I placed a notice on the Karl Rove talk page asking for a discussion of what I see as his overall right-wing bias. Soxwon, true to form, instantly deleted it. I undid it, and gave my reasons. His response: delete, and call me a vandal. He understandably does not want broader attention called to his actions.
To conclude: This issue goes beyond mere Wikiquette and to the heart of how an on-line encyclopaedia should be edited. The Karl Rove page is one of a number of hotspots in Wikipedia. It goes without saying that many people who go online for history go to Wikipedia first. I contend that the issue at stake beyond who 'wins' this particular point.
What this is all really about is who gets the self-proclaimed right (to quote another of Soxwon's attempts at intimidation again on today's VoteToImpeach deletion page discussion, "...you're now outvoted and by two far more experienced editors.") to censor history his way using various tactics including making me out to be uncivil and 'punish' me - all for speaking in a forthright manner regarding him, and my deep concerns about an admitted "right-winger" editing with an agenda.
Thanks for taking the time to read this. Jusdafax ( talk) 02:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I must add to the Justafax complaints. He's accused me of being a sock puppet, he's called me a joke, he went to my talk page and lifted material I had deleted and pasted it on the Karl Rove talk page. He's angry, inappropriate, insensitive to the needs of others, and seems to think only his opinion matters. Along with his friend VsevolodKrolikov, who both seem so like minded, he is edit warring material on the Karl Rove page that has been well cited and researched to fit his agenda. Whoever can do something about this, please do it ASAP. Many thanks Malke 2010 ( talk) 15:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Xellas is personally attacked my character and integrity in Momusufan's talk page because of what I wrote in Location hypotheses of Atlantis. They include innuendo and speculation falsely implying that I either support Robert Sarmast, I am Robert Sarmast, or have some vendetta against him. Also, he or she falsely claimed that my contributions contain "details" that "Sarmast never spoke or published anything to". Presumably, this falsehood is evidence of his spurious allegation that I am either conspiring with Sarmast or actually am Sarmast. In addition, concerning the Location hypotheses of Atlantis, he or she stated:
Have you seen any other theory to be debunked in here? Of course not!!
Here he falsely implies that the only editing that I have done on this article has been on its Cyprus section. Given that I have edited and contributed text to sections of Location hypotheses of Atlantis about Antarctica, Azores, Canary Islands, and Sundaland. his statement "Of course not!!" is completely false. As a review of my posting history shows, I was editing and contributing to Wikipedia articles long before I did any editing of Location hypotheses of Atlantis. His or her comments about me clearly violate Wikiquette. He or she needs to cease posting these fraudulent and uncivil allegations and retract the fictional claims and allegations that have been posted so far.
Recent discussion about User:Xellas and the Location hypotheses of Atlantis article can be found at User talk:Xellas Paul H. ( talk) 15:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
The comments that I am referring to are currently the bottom paragraphs by Xellas of the section, Regarding the vandalsim of Location of atlantis, which is currently at the bottom of the Momusufan's talk page. Instances of the false accusations of being someone, whom I am not are:
No geologist would spent his time with a failure like sarmast unless is Robert himself or knows him very well and either a conflict or sympathizes with his work.
and
Ok Paul? Or Should I say ok Sarmast.
In the above statements, Xellas is falsely implying that I am someone, whom I am not, and have hidden agendas that I do not have. In order to support these claims, he or she falsely claimed:
How come you know his work in details when Sarmast never spoke or published anything to that extend?
The material that I contributed to Location hypotheses of Atlantis contains only information that I found on either his book, his website, or a web site about the The Urantia Book to which Sarmast contributed articles (and found using Google). Xellas' claim that I have inside knowledge of Sarmast's ideas is an absolute falsehood.
Overall, his or her comments focus mainly on attacking me and my motives for contributing to Location hypotheses of Atlantis, which uncivil behavior on his or her part. Paul H. ( talk) 16:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:GabrielVelasquez&diff=311788222&oldid=311757130
not that I am afraid of
User:BatteryIncluded but i don't see that this kind of behavior should accepted.
The context is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:BatteryIncluded&diff=311784400&oldid=311202540
Copied from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Space_and_survival&diff=311778738&oldid=311764686
Thank you for your consideration.
GabrielVelasquez (
talk)
06:29, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi - I noticed that my posting got archived without there ever being a resolution (here: Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts/archive71#personal attacks, accusations presuming bad faith)... Should I repost anything; is it still ongoing or has it been dropped on the floor? Luminifer ( talk) 17:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Please straighten this guy out about his language and maybe his thinking. Thanks, MBHiii ( talk) 05:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:::The
edit war continues.
- sinneed (
talk) 18:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC) Unrelated, I followed Mbhiii to
Yankee Doodle and confused myself. Apologies if I confused anyone else.
- sinneed (
talk)
03:03, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
User User talk:Karkeixa (accused of Spamming, accused of going against the WP:3rr, acussed of vandalism) is close to the insult of my (and others, and organisations and everyone that has no his point of view) in Talk:Leonese language of multiple things without proofs. I think that this actitude is against Wikipedia good faith policy, wikipedia etiquette policy, and that this actitude must end, specially because he has been advertised. Thank you and I'm at your disposal for clarifying everything.-- Auslli ( talk) 17:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
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User:ChildofMidnight ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
has recently been creating an uncivil editing environment at the Barney Frank article. This behavior includes edit warring, belittling other editors' content in edit summaries, and repeated insertion of content despite requests to allow the relevant discussion on the article's talk page to take place.
I started to become more involved in the article after I saw that User:ChildofMidnight may have been engaging in edit warring by repeatedly attempting to insert a particular piece of information, despite objections from another editor [76], [77], [78], [79]. Between the third and fourth attempt to insert, I posted a comment on his talk pageAt this point, I performed my first and only revert ever of this disputed content [80], stating WP:UNDUE as my reason in the edit summary. Before my revert, rougly one third of the "early life" section of the article was about Frank's father's connection to organized crime. Shortly thereafter, I joined a discussion on his talk page, in which he followed my above comment with
Administrator User:Chillum intervened, and agknowledged that both sides of the argument were legitemate, and suggested that we discuss the disputed content on Talk:Barney Frank. I then went and created this section on the talk page, where I and several other editors are discussing the addition of this content. This morning, ChildofMidnight made this edit, with the summary
and then proceeded to insert the information he attempted to add before for a fifth time [81]. I now see that very shorly before I created the talk page section, ChildofMidnight created one as well, where he says that"if we can't have accurate encyclopedic statements then there's no room for this bullshit puffery in the opening paragraphs"
The editor that ChildofMidnight was going back and forth with before I became a part of the situation is User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters. I think that if this behavior continues, people are going to get baited, and it will be extremely difficult to work on the article. MichaelLNorth ( talk) 19:51, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Bethel Church, Mansfield Woodhouse
I was a member of this church for nearly 10 years of my childhood. I am currently in therapy because of it. But that's beside the point. The article detailing the truth about this church is constantly being sabotaged by current church members, being replaced by a very nice-nice benign small paragraph about how it's just a regular church. If you look at the revision history, just today they have changed it at least six times, and I have been refreshing the page and changed it back just as many times.
I don't know if there's anything that can be done, if the article can be locked up or something. It has been changed by different IP addresses on different days. Today, it's been 81.138.10.158 , previously, it has been 82.2.31.240 , user Jjburt, and numerous others. (Up until 5 minutes ago, I was IP # 68.9.22.155)
At one time, the discussion page was completely blanked as well. I undid that, and it looks like user WBardwin was kind enough to format it and make it look pretty.
You can imagine how aggravating this is, the back-and-forth, over and over again, an uphill battle. I hope something can be done.
O0pandora0o ( talk) 14:15, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
User:76.75.4.195 has proven themselves to be a pretty disruptive editor, trying to make a point on Sublime (band)--the editor is arguing that Sublime without the original singer and guitar player, now dead, is not Sublime, and that the singer and guitar player who is slated to play on the Sublime reunion, a guy called "Rome", is being added to the WP article in defiance of the spirit of the original band. Moreover, WP editors who comment on his disruptive edits are said, on the talk page, to be sucking Rome's cock, and they are fags to boot. Well, I'm not a prude, but that seems a little bit too rude here. Your advice is appreciated. I understand this board is not the place to ask for a block, but I am unsure which path to pursue here--the editor is rude and boorish, takes extensive liberties with the English language (I do not approve of "douche" as an abbreviation of "douchebag"), and acts in a disruptive manner. Thank you for your concern; please wash your hands after looking at the editor's contributions. Drmies ( talk) 03:29, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I thought the matter of User:Abductive not assuming good faith with me had been dealt with at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Another personal attack on an AFD and when another editor reproached him here [83], but now there has been another attack from him here [84], and I think this is the best forum to discuss it.
Both examples represent incivility and bad faith in assuming that an editor has ulterior motives. Both are an attack on my good standing as an editor who does his best to follow WP rules. I think Abductive should try to concentrate more on the issues at hand and not other editors possible motivations. Johnfos ( talk) 17:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)