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Talk:John_Galt_(novelist)#To_the_question_of_MOVING_John_Galt_.28Atlas_Shrugged.29_to_John_Galt
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John Galt is a link to List_of_characters_in_Atlas_Shrugged#John_Galt. As the primary page for this article is owned by a link (this link was set up by User:TallNapoleon a member of this project, I'm intending to move John Galt (novelist) to John Galt and provide a disambiguation link to List_of_characters_in_Atlas_Shrugged#John_Galt. This way everyone finds what they're looking for. The actual John Galt gets his own page, and the John Galt everyone's asking about gets a disambiguation link at the top of the page. If there are any objections, drop me a note. Ollie Garkey ( talk) 22:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I propose two options:
I suppose I favor the first one. -- Karbinski ( talk) 15:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
As I note above, having discussions on multiple talk pages will create confusion. Since there is a notice on the requested moves page that points back to Talk:John Galt (novelist), I recommend that page as the appropriate location for a combined discussion. -- RL0919 ( talk) 17:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC) |
There seem to be a great deal of articles about that we want to see merged or deleted. I would propose that we use C-Class to tag these articles. It will make it easier for us to keep track of them all. Thoughts? TallNapoleon ( talk) 20:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
This proposal seems to have been moribund for a couple of months now, but it is still mentioned on the project page. We seem to be doing a decent job coming up with deletion and merger proposals without using the classifications (or if people are using the classifications, they aren't mentioning it). I've started updating the "Pages for deletion" section on the project page to help us keep track of these. Does anyone still want to pursue the "C-Class" idea? -- RL0919 ( talk) 01:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
The "Controversy" section to this article appears to be some gossip from an unreliable source. In addition, it involves the writings of one Andrew Bernstein whose work (for the moment) appears to lack any verifiable notability. That aside, the source used to document the gossip should probably be removed from the article unless a colleague here or on the noticeboard can confirm its importance as a reliable source. Thoughts? J Readings ( talk) 02:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
So when Pelagius brought up Walker, I decided to take a look at the "Accusations of cultism" section in that article. It's a mess. Breaking it up by the individual authors making the charge is really clumsy and leads, in my opinion, to problems with weight. Plus, we again have the separate "response" section. It would be much, much better if all of this could be integrated into a single section, with Rothbard leading, others following, and criticism integrated. TallNapoleon ( talk) 08:25, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
OK, I know I said before that I probably wouldn't have time to rewrite the section, but I gave it a try anyway. The subheads for each critic are gone, the citations are streamlined (before the same site often appeared two times in a row, even within the same sentence), and I generally tried to make the writing better. I also neutralized a POV remark about Scientology being a cult. I'm sure further improvements can be made, but I hope this is a good first pass. -- RL0919 ( talk) 14:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Is there some way we can get Miszabot to archive this, even though it's not a talk page? TallNapoleon ( talk) 00:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
The key to manual archiving seems to be that someone has to remember to do it! The page was last archived at the end of May, and had since grown by over 200%. I just archived the sections and subsections that were untouched since June (except this one). I've never created an archive before, so if there's anything I could have done better, someone let me know. -- RL0919 ( talk) 01:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
The articles are open for editing, let the editting begin. Let it ride as it were, we can deal with specific problems if and when they pop-up. -- Karbinski ( talk) 20:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Anyone still following the back-and-forth at the Objectivist websites? The anti-Valliant crowd are now alleging that Durban House (publisher of The Passion of Ayn Rand's Critics) was actually owned by the Valliants themselves (caveat lector: I haven't seen this claim fully substantiated). Skomorokh 21:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
This article survived an AFD a couple of years ago, but as it appears that we are working on merging and eliminating these extraneous articles, I think we should consider doing a merge/redirect. TallNapoleon ( talk) 09:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
If we are trying to find and eliminate inappropriate or gratuitous references to Rand, this should prove useful. As soon as my arbcomm amendment is finalized, I'm going to start sorting through these and looking to see if the Rand references are appropriate or not. We may wish to do this with other Objectivism related articles as well. TallNapoleon ( talk) 19:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Somehow this wasn't listed here. He's one of the most publicly prominent Objectivists around, so I sorted him into mid-importance. That said the article may have some length issues. TallNapoleon ( talk) 06:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Rand published a number of nonfiction works, largely essay collections. Most of these have their own articles, even though they are nowhere close to being as notable as her fiction. Rather, they are more notable as a body of work, in totality. How would people feel about merging these articles together? TallNapoleon ( talk) 05:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
These two books were queried on reliability above, based on Google Scholar results. Per WP Reliable Sources, I have no problem with them. Gladstein is a reputable academic and scholar, the former book is published by a "leading educational publisher" ( Greenwood Publishing Group) the latter book is published by a university press (Penn State). Clearly reliable, I'd say. KD Tries Again ( talk) 17:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)KD Tries Again
I am sure this has been discussed before. It's a peer-reviewed journal, isn't it? KD Tries Again ( talk) 17:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)KD Tries Again
One deficiency I see in the present Wikicoverage of Ayn Rand, Objectivism, and related figures is the paucity of coverage for Rand scholars who do not profess Objectivism—or for thinkers who have obviously been influenced by Rand and see themselves as building on her work, but again do not use the O-word. The rather skimpy articles for Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Roderick Long are an exception. Presently there is a fairly detailed article on Tibor Machan (but he is not presently included in this WikiProject's coverage). Meanwhile there is nothing for Douglas Den Uyl and Douglas Rasmussen—who jointly edited the first scholarly anthology on Rand; jointly published three books on the theory of individual rights; published a book on prudence (Den Uyl); published several articles on epistemology (Rasmussen); published on Atlas Shrugged (Rasmussen)—either of "the Dougs" is surely more notable than Peter Schwartz, let alone Alex Epstein at this stage of his career. There's not a lick on Eric Mack, Fred Miller, or Neera Badhwar, all established academic philosophers who have written about Rand. There is nothing on Lou Torres and Michelle Marder Kamhi, who have operated a magazine called Aristos for years and published a major book on Randian aesthetics. Mimi Reisel Gladstein is also more notable than Peter Schwartz or Harry Binswanger, and has published extensively about John Steinbeck and other authors besides Rand, yet she does not have an article. Building some coverage of these folks should be a curative for walled garden syndrome.- RLCampbell ( talk) 22:00, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
As near as I can tell, these are the only ones of Rand's characters to have their own articles devoted to them. Howard Roark, for instance, does not. I would be strongly in favor of merging Dagny Taggart and Gail Wynand into their respective parent articles, List of characters in Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead (there is no List of characters in The Fountainhead). I would also lean towards doing this for John Galt, however as he has become an iconic figure in his own right there is a stronger case for keeping his article. TallNapoleon ( talk) 05:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Final outcome: All articles redirected to parent articles.
Real Final outcome: All articles except John Galt redirected to parent articles.
Appears to be another totally nonnotable book. I've stubbed it down because OH GOD THE VANITY PAGE IT BURNS IT HURTSSSS USSSS PRECIOUS adgfafhadfhadfhadf. Propose redirect to Andrew Bernstein, Objectivist Movement or something similar. TallNapoleon ( talk) 02:38, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Final Outcome: The article was deleted today. -- RL0919 ( talk) 19:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Despite the name, Capitalism Magazine is a website. There are no sources cited in the article and no evidence of notability in the article itself. The only argument for notability that I could find on the article's talk page was that it "publishes some important people in the field," which is not one of the notability criteria for web content. (Plus many of the articles seem to be syndicated columns or mass-distributed op-eds rather than unique material published by the site.) As far as I can tell, it does not meet any of the notability criteria for web content. Deletion, or perhaps a redirect to Objectivist movement, seems in order. -- RL0919 ( talk) 23:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Final Outcome: Article was deleted today. -- RL0919 ( talk) 23:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Not really a horror per se, but it doesn't appear to be a particularly notable work. If no one objects I will prod it. TallNapoleon ( talk) 17:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Final outcome: Article merged to Bibliography for Ayn Rand and Objectivism.
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current main page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 |
Resolved: discussion took place at
Talk:John_Galt_(novelist)#To_the_question_of_MOVING_John_Galt_.28Atlas_Shrugged.29_to_John_Galt
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John Galt is a link to List_of_characters_in_Atlas_Shrugged#John_Galt. As the primary page for this article is owned by a link (this link was set up by User:TallNapoleon a member of this project, I'm intending to move John Galt (novelist) to John Galt and provide a disambiguation link to List_of_characters_in_Atlas_Shrugged#John_Galt. This way everyone finds what they're looking for. The actual John Galt gets his own page, and the John Galt everyone's asking about gets a disambiguation link at the top of the page. If there are any objections, drop me a note. Ollie Garkey ( talk) 22:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I propose two options:
I suppose I favor the first one. -- Karbinski ( talk) 15:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
As I note above, having discussions on multiple talk pages will create confusion. Since there is a notice on the requested moves page that points back to Talk:John Galt (novelist), I recommend that page as the appropriate location for a combined discussion. -- RL0919 ( talk) 17:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC) |
There seem to be a great deal of articles about that we want to see merged or deleted. I would propose that we use C-Class to tag these articles. It will make it easier for us to keep track of them all. Thoughts? TallNapoleon ( talk) 20:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
This proposal seems to have been moribund for a couple of months now, but it is still mentioned on the project page. We seem to be doing a decent job coming up with deletion and merger proposals without using the classifications (or if people are using the classifications, they aren't mentioning it). I've started updating the "Pages for deletion" section on the project page to help us keep track of these. Does anyone still want to pursue the "C-Class" idea? -- RL0919 ( talk) 01:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
The "Controversy" section to this article appears to be some gossip from an unreliable source. In addition, it involves the writings of one Andrew Bernstein whose work (for the moment) appears to lack any verifiable notability. That aside, the source used to document the gossip should probably be removed from the article unless a colleague here or on the noticeboard can confirm its importance as a reliable source. Thoughts? J Readings ( talk) 02:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
So when Pelagius brought up Walker, I decided to take a look at the "Accusations of cultism" section in that article. It's a mess. Breaking it up by the individual authors making the charge is really clumsy and leads, in my opinion, to problems with weight. Plus, we again have the separate "response" section. It would be much, much better if all of this could be integrated into a single section, with Rothbard leading, others following, and criticism integrated. TallNapoleon ( talk) 08:25, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
OK, I know I said before that I probably wouldn't have time to rewrite the section, but I gave it a try anyway. The subheads for each critic are gone, the citations are streamlined (before the same site often appeared two times in a row, even within the same sentence), and I generally tried to make the writing better. I also neutralized a POV remark about Scientology being a cult. I'm sure further improvements can be made, but I hope this is a good first pass. -- RL0919 ( talk) 14:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Is there some way we can get Miszabot to archive this, even though it's not a talk page? TallNapoleon ( talk) 00:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
The key to manual archiving seems to be that someone has to remember to do it! The page was last archived at the end of May, and had since grown by over 200%. I just archived the sections and subsections that were untouched since June (except this one). I've never created an archive before, so if there's anything I could have done better, someone let me know. -- RL0919 ( talk) 01:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
The articles are open for editing, let the editting begin. Let it ride as it were, we can deal with specific problems if and when they pop-up. -- Karbinski ( talk) 20:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Anyone still following the back-and-forth at the Objectivist websites? The anti-Valliant crowd are now alleging that Durban House (publisher of The Passion of Ayn Rand's Critics) was actually owned by the Valliants themselves (caveat lector: I haven't seen this claim fully substantiated). Skomorokh 21:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
This article survived an AFD a couple of years ago, but as it appears that we are working on merging and eliminating these extraneous articles, I think we should consider doing a merge/redirect. TallNapoleon ( talk) 09:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
If we are trying to find and eliminate inappropriate or gratuitous references to Rand, this should prove useful. As soon as my arbcomm amendment is finalized, I'm going to start sorting through these and looking to see if the Rand references are appropriate or not. We may wish to do this with other Objectivism related articles as well. TallNapoleon ( talk) 19:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Somehow this wasn't listed here. He's one of the most publicly prominent Objectivists around, so I sorted him into mid-importance. That said the article may have some length issues. TallNapoleon ( talk) 06:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Rand published a number of nonfiction works, largely essay collections. Most of these have their own articles, even though they are nowhere close to being as notable as her fiction. Rather, they are more notable as a body of work, in totality. How would people feel about merging these articles together? TallNapoleon ( talk) 05:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
These two books were queried on reliability above, based on Google Scholar results. Per WP Reliable Sources, I have no problem with them. Gladstein is a reputable academic and scholar, the former book is published by a "leading educational publisher" ( Greenwood Publishing Group) the latter book is published by a university press (Penn State). Clearly reliable, I'd say. KD Tries Again ( talk) 17:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)KD Tries Again
I am sure this has been discussed before. It's a peer-reviewed journal, isn't it? KD Tries Again ( talk) 17:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)KD Tries Again
One deficiency I see in the present Wikicoverage of Ayn Rand, Objectivism, and related figures is the paucity of coverage for Rand scholars who do not profess Objectivism—or for thinkers who have obviously been influenced by Rand and see themselves as building on her work, but again do not use the O-word. The rather skimpy articles for Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Roderick Long are an exception. Presently there is a fairly detailed article on Tibor Machan (but he is not presently included in this WikiProject's coverage). Meanwhile there is nothing for Douglas Den Uyl and Douglas Rasmussen—who jointly edited the first scholarly anthology on Rand; jointly published three books on the theory of individual rights; published a book on prudence (Den Uyl); published several articles on epistemology (Rasmussen); published on Atlas Shrugged (Rasmussen)—either of "the Dougs" is surely more notable than Peter Schwartz, let alone Alex Epstein at this stage of his career. There's not a lick on Eric Mack, Fred Miller, or Neera Badhwar, all established academic philosophers who have written about Rand. There is nothing on Lou Torres and Michelle Marder Kamhi, who have operated a magazine called Aristos for years and published a major book on Randian aesthetics. Mimi Reisel Gladstein is also more notable than Peter Schwartz or Harry Binswanger, and has published extensively about John Steinbeck and other authors besides Rand, yet she does not have an article. Building some coverage of these folks should be a curative for walled garden syndrome.- RLCampbell ( talk) 22:00, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
As near as I can tell, these are the only ones of Rand's characters to have their own articles devoted to them. Howard Roark, for instance, does not. I would be strongly in favor of merging Dagny Taggart and Gail Wynand into their respective parent articles, List of characters in Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead (there is no List of characters in The Fountainhead). I would also lean towards doing this for John Galt, however as he has become an iconic figure in his own right there is a stronger case for keeping his article. TallNapoleon ( talk) 05:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Final outcome: All articles redirected to parent articles.
Real Final outcome: All articles except John Galt redirected to parent articles.
Appears to be another totally nonnotable book. I've stubbed it down because OH GOD THE VANITY PAGE IT BURNS IT HURTSSSS USSSS PRECIOUS adgfafhadfhadfhadf. Propose redirect to Andrew Bernstein, Objectivist Movement or something similar. TallNapoleon ( talk) 02:38, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Final Outcome: The article was deleted today. -- RL0919 ( talk) 19:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Despite the name, Capitalism Magazine is a website. There are no sources cited in the article and no evidence of notability in the article itself. The only argument for notability that I could find on the article's talk page was that it "publishes some important people in the field," which is not one of the notability criteria for web content. (Plus many of the articles seem to be syndicated columns or mass-distributed op-eds rather than unique material published by the site.) As far as I can tell, it does not meet any of the notability criteria for web content. Deletion, or perhaps a redirect to Objectivist movement, seems in order. -- RL0919 ( talk) 23:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Final Outcome: Article was deleted today. -- RL0919 ( talk) 23:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Not really a horror per se, but it doesn't appear to be a particularly notable work. If no one objects I will prod it. TallNapoleon ( talk) 17:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Final outcome: Article merged to Bibliography for Ayn Rand and Objectivism.