NRIS includes "Truck Line Bridge No. 1" (and this is echoed in NRHP.COM) for the bridge actually named "
Trunk Line Bridge No. 1, also known as Peshekee River Bridge, in
Marquette County, Michigan. That it is supposed to be Trunk not Truck is clear in Michigan Department of Transportation's webpage about this bridge and in the National Register's own Highway Bridges in Michigan MPS document.
doncram (
talk)
19:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)reply
The
John and Eliza Barr Patterson House is listed as "John Patterson and Eliza Barr" for some reason: not only is "House" deleted, but the name implies seperate ownership, when in fact "Eliza Barr Patterson" was John's wife. Note
the MPS nom form lists the structure as the "John and Eliza Barr Patterson House," and the other houses in the nom follow the same pattern.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
17:41, 17 June 2010 (UTC)reply
In
Genesee County, the
West Vienna United Methodist Church appears to have been demolished. The congregation has constructed what appears to be a new church near the location of the historic structure, and the current church building is quite different from the old church in design. However, I can find no record of either the demolition of the old church or the construction of the new one.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
11:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Turns out the NRHP-listed "Cheboygan County Courthouse" is actually another building (on the Michigan list as the "Old Cheboygan County Courthouse"), which is not demolished.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
14:41, 15 February 2013 (UTC)reply
The NHL
Ste. Claire (passenger steamboat) experienced a massive fire in 2018, completely destroying the wooden superstructure. The steel hull still exists, and the owners are rebuilding. Not sure is that's actually "demolished", but certainly much of the historical value has been destroyed.
Andrew Jameson (
talk) 07:17, 20 March 2019 (UTC) Delisted as a NHL and from the NRHP in 2023.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
12:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Per the
Fox Theatre itself, "the Fox Theatre is located at 2211 Woodward Avenue, Detroit, MI 48201." As an independent check,
The Fillmore Detroit, also on the NRHP, is listed at 2115 Woodward. The Fillmore is a block south of the Fox (this can be verified in Google Street view), and thus should have a lower-numbered address.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
12:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)reply
Old Main, Suomi College is listed at "Quincy St. on the Suomi College campus"; as can be inferred from
this webpage, the college has become Finlandia University, so description should be changed to "Quincy St. on the Finlandia University campus".
Nyttend (
talk)
19:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)reply
The
Savings Bank Building in Marquette, MI is listed at "125 West Washington Street." This is incorrect, but unfortunately echoed by almost every NRHP reference I can find. The structure is actually on the southeast corner of Washington and Front Streets, which would make the address either on East Washington Street (and an even number at that), or on South Front Street. The correct address seems to be 101 South Front Street (see image in linked article).
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
19:21, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply
In Detroit, the
Bagley Memorial Fountain was located at Woodward and Monroe Avenues in
Detroit, Michigan when originally listed, but is now located in Cadillac Square.
In Jackson County, the Kentucky Homestead (now the
Clark Lake Community Center) was located at 6740 Kentucky Avenue when listed, but is now located at 3740 Ocean Beach Road.
In Shiawassee County, the
Ebenezer Gould House was moved to the Corunna Historical Village in 1991.
In Shiawassee County, the
Martin Road Bridge was removed from its original location, and will be reassembled at the Auburn Heights Preserve in Yorklyn, Delaware.
In Macomb County, the
Kolping Park and Chapel was moved to the Chesterfield Historical Village in 2016.
In St Claire County, the
Indian Trail Road–Belle River Bridge was moved to Purdue University's Steel Bridge Research, Inspection, Training and Engineering Center in West Lafayette, Indiana in 2015.
In Cass County, the
M-86–Prairie River Bridge was moved to Crystal Springs Street over the Dowagiac River in 2016.
The NHL
SS Columbia was permanently moved to Buffalo NY in 2015.
In Calhoun County, the
W. K. Kellogg House was moved to 1 Monroe Street in 1990.
In Detroit, the Mackenzie House, part of the
Wayne State University Buildings, was moved from its original location on Cass to a new location within the same block to face Forest, in April 2019.[15]
In Huron County, one of the contributing structures in the
Huron City Historic District is the Point aux Barques United States Life-Saving Service Station. The station was moved to Huron City in 1964 and included in the historic district. However, in 2017, the building was moved back to its original location, over a mile away near the
Pointe aux Barques Light (also on the Register).
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
07:30, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Yes, please do. Nation-wide, there are a fair number of cases, probably a few dozen, just like this, where locals/state/others believe/know that a place was NRHP-listed, but the NRIS database still shows as "DR". In many/most of these cases we can even find the Weekly Announcement that the National Register puts out which shows the listing happening a few months later. The National Register should be pretty receptive to fixing NRIS for these cases, if we collect them and report them systematically. My last efforts to report NRIS errors didn't result in changes; a new effort to report NRIS errors to a higher level in the National Park Service is probably called for. --
doncram15:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)reply
First off, Doncram, can you check your 2010 version of the NRIS? Maybe they've already corrected it? If not, I'll go ahead and put it on that page.--
Dudemanfellabra (
talk)
16:09, 30 May 2011 (UTC)reply
I attach approximately zero probability to the likelihood that the National Register would have corrected its records on that one during 2009-2010, given no request from us to do so, and given very little changes on their part ever. I have observed them doing some updating in response to my/our requests, and in response to some other parties' requests (for example an address correction that I know was reported by a New York State historical society), but otherwise, zippo gets changed.
I'd look it up in the 2010 NRIS, but it's not terribly easy to do so for me; I do not have a lookup webpage set up and would have to run a database program, on the computer where I have that database program (not with me now).
Another option is to look in www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com, which has updated to the 2010 version of NRIS. At
NRHP.COM's Ottawa county Michigan page, it shows the place with listing date in 1990. I thought that would state a specific day-date of July 20, 1990, which would verify that NRIS's 2010 version does not reflect any update (and would be consistent with NRHP.COM ignoring listed vs. delisted vs. other status). But NRHP.COM seems to have chosen now to just report year-dates, so the available info does not rule out the small possibility that you wonder about.
I'll just paste the info over to
wp:NRIS info issues MI. It can be an open question there (as for all other NRIS information issues), whether the National Register has amazingly chosen to update on its own, without public request and pressure. --
doncram18:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)reply
The
Ontonagon Lighthouse is listed with a "built" date of 1852. According to all the citations I can find, the first lighthouse built there, a wooden structure, was built in 1852. The current brick lighthouse was actually constructed in 1866.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
10:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)reply
Keweenaw National Historical Park is listed in the NRIS as being listed on 10/27/1972. However, it wasn't established until 10/27/1992 (exactly 20 years later). The 1966–1978 listings do not show the KNHP, and unfortunately, the online copy of the 1992 weekly announcements is missing entries for the weeks of Oct 23, Oct 30, and Nov 6, so it cannot be positively confirmed there.
Chris857 (
talk)
16:22, 21 August 2013 (UTC)reply
The
Giles J. Gibbs Building (Sugar Bowl) is listed with a built date of 1916. Not only is that completely mismatched with the architectural style of the building, it is also three years after Giles J. Gibbs died. However, 1916 is the date that the "Sugar Bowl" soda fountain was opened in the building. As near as I can figure from sources available, the actual date of construction of the building is 1867, while the (also historically significant) soda fountain interior dates from 1916.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
18:59, 28 December 2013 (UTC)reply
In fact, there is no such thing as an NRIS "built" date, but the NRIS summary page lists a "Significant year" parameter, and certainly 1913 is a significant year. This is not an NRIS issue. kennethaw88 •
talk01:46, 6 October 2019 (UTC)reply
The
Ogilvie Building is listed with a "built" date of 1903. This comes from the original 1987 nomination, when Ogilvie Building was listed in the NRHP under the incorrect name "Schlichting Building," and with incorrect historical information. A subsequent set of additional documentation
was submitted in 2000, which corrected both the name (to "Ogilvie Building") and the construction date (to 1885). The name has been corrected in the NRIS, but not the date.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
12:01, 21 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delisting Issue
In Kalamazoo County,
Engine House No. 3 (Kalamazoo, Michigan) (refnum 83000857) has been erroneously stricken from the NRIS, likely being confused with
The Harriett (refnum 83000057), located in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Coordinates issues
NOTE: It is not important to list coordinates issues, as they probably will not be reported to the National Register for fixing. The NRIS coordinates that we work with in county list-articles are not necessarily the most uptodate version of coordinates. These should just be corrected. --
doncram (
talk)
17:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply
NRIS includes "Truck Line Bridge No. 1" (and this is echoed in NRHP.COM) for the bridge actually named "
Trunk Line Bridge No. 1, also known as Peshekee River Bridge, in
Marquette County, Michigan. That it is supposed to be Trunk not Truck is clear in Michigan Department of Transportation's webpage about this bridge and in the National Register's own Highway Bridges in Michigan MPS document.
doncram (
talk)
19:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)reply
The
John and Eliza Barr Patterson House is listed as "John Patterson and Eliza Barr" for some reason: not only is "House" deleted, but the name implies seperate ownership, when in fact "Eliza Barr Patterson" was John's wife. Note
the MPS nom form lists the structure as the "John and Eliza Barr Patterson House," and the other houses in the nom follow the same pattern.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
17:41, 17 June 2010 (UTC)reply
In
Genesee County, the
West Vienna United Methodist Church appears to have been demolished. The congregation has constructed what appears to be a new church near the location of the historic structure, and the current church building is quite different from the old church in design. However, I can find no record of either the demolition of the old church or the construction of the new one.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
11:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Turns out the NRHP-listed "Cheboygan County Courthouse" is actually another building (on the Michigan list as the "Old Cheboygan County Courthouse"), which is not demolished.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
14:41, 15 February 2013 (UTC)reply
The NHL
Ste. Claire (passenger steamboat) experienced a massive fire in 2018, completely destroying the wooden superstructure. The steel hull still exists, and the owners are rebuilding. Not sure is that's actually "demolished", but certainly much of the historical value has been destroyed.
Andrew Jameson (
talk) 07:17, 20 March 2019 (UTC) Delisted as a NHL and from the NRHP in 2023.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
12:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Per the
Fox Theatre itself, "the Fox Theatre is located at 2211 Woodward Avenue, Detroit, MI 48201." As an independent check,
The Fillmore Detroit, also on the NRHP, is listed at 2115 Woodward. The Fillmore is a block south of the Fox (this can be verified in Google Street view), and thus should have a lower-numbered address.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
12:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)reply
Old Main, Suomi College is listed at "Quincy St. on the Suomi College campus"; as can be inferred from
this webpage, the college has become Finlandia University, so description should be changed to "Quincy St. on the Finlandia University campus".
Nyttend (
talk)
19:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)reply
The
Savings Bank Building in Marquette, MI is listed at "125 West Washington Street." This is incorrect, but unfortunately echoed by almost every NRHP reference I can find. The structure is actually on the southeast corner of Washington and Front Streets, which would make the address either on East Washington Street (and an even number at that), or on South Front Street. The correct address seems to be 101 South Front Street (see image in linked article).
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
19:21, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply
In Detroit, the
Bagley Memorial Fountain was located at Woodward and Monroe Avenues in
Detroit, Michigan when originally listed, but is now located in Cadillac Square.
In Jackson County, the Kentucky Homestead (now the
Clark Lake Community Center) was located at 6740 Kentucky Avenue when listed, but is now located at 3740 Ocean Beach Road.
In Shiawassee County, the
Ebenezer Gould House was moved to the Corunna Historical Village in 1991.
In Shiawassee County, the
Martin Road Bridge was removed from its original location, and will be reassembled at the Auburn Heights Preserve in Yorklyn, Delaware.
In Macomb County, the
Kolping Park and Chapel was moved to the Chesterfield Historical Village in 2016.
In St Claire County, the
Indian Trail Road–Belle River Bridge was moved to Purdue University's Steel Bridge Research, Inspection, Training and Engineering Center in West Lafayette, Indiana in 2015.
In Cass County, the
M-86–Prairie River Bridge was moved to Crystal Springs Street over the Dowagiac River in 2016.
The NHL
SS Columbia was permanently moved to Buffalo NY in 2015.
In Calhoun County, the
W. K. Kellogg House was moved to 1 Monroe Street in 1990.
In Detroit, the Mackenzie House, part of the
Wayne State University Buildings, was moved from its original location on Cass to a new location within the same block to face Forest, in April 2019.[15]
In Huron County, one of the contributing structures in the
Huron City Historic District is the Point aux Barques United States Life-Saving Service Station. The station was moved to Huron City in 1964 and included in the historic district. However, in 2017, the building was moved back to its original location, over a mile away near the
Pointe aux Barques Light (also on the Register).
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
07:30, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Yes, please do. Nation-wide, there are a fair number of cases, probably a few dozen, just like this, where locals/state/others believe/know that a place was NRHP-listed, but the NRIS database still shows as "DR". In many/most of these cases we can even find the Weekly Announcement that the National Register puts out which shows the listing happening a few months later. The National Register should be pretty receptive to fixing NRIS for these cases, if we collect them and report them systematically. My last efforts to report NRIS errors didn't result in changes; a new effort to report NRIS errors to a higher level in the National Park Service is probably called for. --
doncram15:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)reply
First off, Doncram, can you check your 2010 version of the NRIS? Maybe they've already corrected it? If not, I'll go ahead and put it on that page.--
Dudemanfellabra (
talk)
16:09, 30 May 2011 (UTC)reply
I attach approximately zero probability to the likelihood that the National Register would have corrected its records on that one during 2009-2010, given no request from us to do so, and given very little changes on their part ever. I have observed them doing some updating in response to my/our requests, and in response to some other parties' requests (for example an address correction that I know was reported by a New York State historical society), but otherwise, zippo gets changed.
I'd look it up in the 2010 NRIS, but it's not terribly easy to do so for me; I do not have a lookup webpage set up and would have to run a database program, on the computer where I have that database program (not with me now).
Another option is to look in www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com, which has updated to the 2010 version of NRIS. At
NRHP.COM's Ottawa county Michigan page, it shows the place with listing date in 1990. I thought that would state a specific day-date of July 20, 1990, which would verify that NRIS's 2010 version does not reflect any update (and would be consistent with NRHP.COM ignoring listed vs. delisted vs. other status). But NRHP.COM seems to have chosen now to just report year-dates, so the available info does not rule out the small possibility that you wonder about.
I'll just paste the info over to
wp:NRIS info issues MI. It can be an open question there (as for all other NRIS information issues), whether the National Register has amazingly chosen to update on its own, without public request and pressure. --
doncram18:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)reply
The
Ontonagon Lighthouse is listed with a "built" date of 1852. According to all the citations I can find, the first lighthouse built there, a wooden structure, was built in 1852. The current brick lighthouse was actually constructed in 1866.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
10:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)reply
Keweenaw National Historical Park is listed in the NRIS as being listed on 10/27/1972. However, it wasn't established until 10/27/1992 (exactly 20 years later). The 1966–1978 listings do not show the KNHP, and unfortunately, the online copy of the 1992 weekly announcements is missing entries for the weeks of Oct 23, Oct 30, and Nov 6, so it cannot be positively confirmed there.
Chris857 (
talk)
16:22, 21 August 2013 (UTC)reply
The
Giles J. Gibbs Building (Sugar Bowl) is listed with a built date of 1916. Not only is that completely mismatched with the architectural style of the building, it is also three years after Giles J. Gibbs died. However, 1916 is the date that the "Sugar Bowl" soda fountain was opened in the building. As near as I can figure from sources available, the actual date of construction of the building is 1867, while the (also historically significant) soda fountain interior dates from 1916.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
18:59, 28 December 2013 (UTC)reply
In fact, there is no such thing as an NRIS "built" date, but the NRIS summary page lists a "Significant year" parameter, and certainly 1913 is a significant year. This is not an NRIS issue. kennethaw88 •
talk01:46, 6 October 2019 (UTC)reply
The
Ogilvie Building is listed with a "built" date of 1903. This comes from the original 1987 nomination, when Ogilvie Building was listed in the NRHP under the incorrect name "Schlichting Building," and with incorrect historical information. A subsequent set of additional documentation
was submitted in 2000, which corrected both the name (to "Ogilvie Building") and the construction date (to 1885). The name has been corrected in the NRIS, but not the date.
Andrew Jameson (
talk)
12:01, 21 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delisting Issue
In Kalamazoo County,
Engine House No. 3 (Kalamazoo, Michigan) (refnum 83000857) has been erroneously stricken from the NRIS, likely being confused with
The Harriett (refnum 83000057), located in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Coordinates issues
NOTE: It is not important to list coordinates issues, as they probably will not be reported to the National Register for fixing. The NRIS coordinates that we work with in county list-articles are not necessarily the most uptodate version of coordinates. These should just be corrected. --
doncram (
talk)
17:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)reply