It seems that Kranar has initiated an improvement drive for Springfield. I couldn't agree more. So this is where we will discuss said improving, if discussion is necessary, which it often becomes so.
Anyway, I am going to do a "peer review" style look at it, at least how I do my peer reviews.
First, at a glance I note these issues:
I will post a more thorough review in a bit, it will outline the changes I will probably go ahead and make. Since Kranar is going to go source hunting tomorrow I will try to drop some fact tags into the article to help out. A mcmurray 04:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
A mcmurray 05:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
That's all for now, stay tuned. A mcmurray 05:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I am going to be working to try and clean up this article, and try and get it to at least GA status after feeling comfortable with how it looks.-- Kranar drogin 04:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I am dropping all the images that were alongside the Registered Historic Places list here for now.
Some other things I thought up, besides the lake.
Other things I did:
This is an encyclopedic article about the city of Springfield. While the tornado may indeed be newsworthy, it certainly isn't a notable event in the city's history. Please consider removing this section to wikinews. Rklawton 05:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
As a native of Springfield, I did, infact, experience the tornado when it came. Yes, it was kind of frightening at first; but no one was harmed, nor killed, a few buildings were destroyed. That's it. A few lousy buildings that could easily be rebuilt. The tornadoes of Springfield, Illinois have proved to be newsworthy, receiving one report on CNN. Now, a climate section would make some sense, and making the tornadoes a sub-section. Leopard Gecko 19:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)--Leopard Gecko
Leopard Gecko is 100% correct. A destructive tornado in tornado country is not historically significant. If it were, every wiki page of every town from Springfield to Salina to San Antonio would be dominated by tornado talk. These tornadoes simply are not important enough to merit such huge play in the history section. As a feature in a weather section, certainly. Chilcoot 20:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I remembered this, and then I found it. The USS Springfield (SSN-761) is specifically named after the Springfields of Illinois and Missouri. Having trouble finding a source on it, but I know it is around here on the net somewhere. I think this should maybe be included in the begining paragraph, or make a section about it and the other Springfield ships that have referred to it.-- Kranar drogin 06:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I saw Kranar added some articles that need to be done. Do we need volunteers? (If we do I gots city departments.) Thus, is every city department notable enough for its own wiki (should I red link them all)? How are we going to approach this? A mcmurray 16:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Here is a list I have found so far here [1] Mayors of Springfield, 1841-2001 (may be incomplete!)
I have moved the list to List of mayors of Springfield, Illinois
I created a link to start this page, I think this is something we should start also, thoughts? Got the idea from Detroit, Michigan.-- Kranar drogin 05:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I created List of Springfield city departments, which I am not sure how to approach as far as what to wikilink and what not to. I also created Flag of Springfield, Illinois, which I have submitted for DYK on the Main Page. Just FYI. IvoShandor 16:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
There is a separate page Sister cities of Springfield. Shouldn't this just be included in this article? Calineed 16:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I have taken it upon myself to focus on the history of the city instead of working on the entire article right away. I have found some pretty good sites with a bunch of info that I am going to be adding to the article.-- Kranar drogin 17:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I have found a link here [2] for the Springfield Public School District 186. I am not sure how you want to go about expanding this section. Any suggestions? Should we include everything on this page, would that be ok?-- Kranar drogin 15:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Use summary style. First write a brief overview of the district, I think the education could have subsections, i.e. District #186, Private, Colleges. Looks like there is some stuff there for public and colleges. Do summaries of the High Schools based on their main articles and use the template {{main article|article name}} to link to the main article at the head of the summary.
Like so:
==Education==
===Dist. 186===
====Lanphier High School
{{main article|Lanphier High School}}
====Sacred Heart Griffith====
ETC...
See what I mean? Hopefully I didn't over explain. A mcmurray 17:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know about that infobox with that photo. It's more of a sidebar, a seperate article in its own right, it just seems a bit much. Any thoughts? A mcmurray 01:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Andrew Saavedra. I don't know about this guy. A Google search was suspect, turning up only the usual suspects, mirror sites and the like. The page on him sounds like patent nonsense, albeit cleverly disguised. The article is only linked to here and Nights Are Forever. AfD? What does everyone think? A mcmurray 04:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Note: The article was deleted. A mcmurray ( talk • contribs) 07:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
It seemed to me, as I was tweaking the info in the intro to match the history section, that these dates may be disputed. I propose we verify our specific dates in Springfield history through academic sources. I have access to plenty of online databases for scholarly journals. We could then use those as primary references once the dates are verified. Any thoughts? A mcmurray 19:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
...have fixed and designated a certain point in the prairie near John Kelley's (sic) field, on the waters of Spring creek, at a stake marked Z. & D., as the temporary seat of justice for said county; and do further agree that the said county seat be called and known by the name of Springfield. ... The point chosen was near what is now the northwest corner of Second and Jefferson streets. The first court house in the county was built on the same spot.
... early in 1831, and stood in the centre of the public square, bounded by Washington and Adams, Fifth and Sixth streets. It was a square building, two stories high, hip roof, with a cupola rising in the centre. From the time that court house was erected, all the business of the town collected around the square.
They are described as being very shrewd in their endeavors to have the capital moved to Springfield. As a result of all the lobbying "...was the passage of "An act permanently to locate the seat of government for the State of Illinois," which was approved at Vandalia, February 25, 1837." The actual selection of Springfield for the new state capital was conducted by a special joint session of the legislature on February 28, 1937. After three votes, with no city gaining a majority of votes, Springfield was selected on the fourth vote with 73 out of 111 votes cast (presumably at least 10 abstained).In the Legislature of 1836-7 Sangamon county had two Senators and seven Representatives. They were the most remarkable delegation from any one county to the General Assembly, being much taller than the average of human stature. Some of them were less and some more than six feet, but their combined height was exactly fifty-four feet. They were then and are yet spoken of as the "Long Nine." The names of those in the Senate were Archer G. Herndon and Job Fletcher; in the House, Abraham Lincoln, Ninian W. Edwards, John Dawson, Andrew McCormick, Dan Stone, Wm. F. Elkin and Robert L. Wilson.
and for the granting of a city charterA general law for the incorporation of towns was enacted and approved February 12, 1831. April 2, 1832, Springfield was incorporated under that law. October 18, 1832, the county court ordered a re-survey of the town, in order to adjust the discrepancies between the plats of Calhoun and Springfield. The survey was made and acknowledged June 18, 1833, and recorded November 9, 1836.
By an act of the General Assembly, approved February 3, 1840, a city charter was granted to Springfield. This law provided for an election to be held the first Monday in April, being the sixth day, to adopt or reject the proposed charter. It was adopted, and the first election for city officers was held April 20, 1840.
We have already said that a temporary county seat was chosen for Sangamon county, April 10, 1821, and called Springfield. The first survey of public land in the county took place that year. The Rev. John M. Peck, in his Pioneer History of Illinois, says that Springfield was laid out in February, 1822, referring, no doubt, to Calhoun, which was the name given to the first plat of what is now a part of springfield. It is in the northwestern part of the city. The first sale of public lands in Sangamon county took place November 7, 1823. At that sale the lands were purchased upon which Calhoun had been laid out. Four different parties entered each a quarter of as many sections cornering together. The town plat of Calhoun was recorded December 5, 1823. It was under a law approved December 23, 1824, that the county seat was permanently located by the commissioners, who assembled March 18, 1825, and confirmed the former location at Springfield. The land donated by Elijah Iles and Pascal Enos was laid out into lots, making the streets correspond with those of Calhoun. There was great prejudice against the name of Calhoun, (afterwards the great nullifier of South Carolina,) many refusing to recognize it, and it soon ceased to be used except in the conveyance of lots.
Event | Date |
John Kelly moves to area | Spring, 1819 [5] |
Calhoun founded | 1820 [6] [7] |
Springfield founded as temporary county seat | April 10, 1821 [8] |
Springfield confirmed as permanent county seat | March 18, 1825 [9] |
Springfield incorporated as a town | April 2, 1832 [10] [11] |
Calhoun officially absorbed into Springfield | June 18, 1833 [12] [13] |
Springfield becomes capital | February 28, 1837 [14] |
Legislature first convenes | December 9, 1839 [15] |
Granted of city charter | April 6, 1840 [16] |
Research for a pop culture section will be required. Any movies filmed here? A mcmurray 00:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if this would fall under pop culture or not but anyway, what about professional or semi pro sports. I am pretty sure Springfield has a minor league baseball team and may have hockey or indoor football or other minor sports as well. We must find out. A mcmurray 19:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Music has always been a part of the Springfield culture: Classical, Jazz, etc. Shouldn't it be incorporated into the main article? Just food for thought... I have lived in Springfield for years and I find music to be a very important part of the culture here. I could not find anything on music in the article. [17] TubaPlayer 15:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Per this comment, above, this topic needs to be researched and, if necessary, included. Provided the user above isn't just bold. A mcmurray ( talk • contribs) 09:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry that I was late on this, I have been traveling: Other performing arts such as music and ballet are also common in Springfield. [18] [19] TubaPlayer 15:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
As we enter the home stretch of the improvement drive and then subsequent submission to GA (for which I don't think we need refs in the intro as long as the facts are mentioned elsewhere in the article, and they should be), I wanted to bring up a pertinent point.
This whole drive has acted as one big long peer review session and as such I think all of the material on the talk page here relating to it (there is a lot) ought to be readily available to anyone who comes along. I propose a template of the same vein as the current Illinois project collaboration (ie same design style) that works like the {{ oldpeerreview}}, something that basically says, {{{Article name}}} was the subject of a WikiProject Illinois collaboration of the fortnight. The related talk sessions have now been archived (linking to an archive of the Imprvement drive section of the talk page). The archive may contain ideas to help you improve this artilce to GA standard or higher. Any volunteer template makers? A mcmurray ( talk • contribs) 09:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
As I was preparing to do the townships for Sangamon County, I noticed that Springfield, as all major cities do, has its own township which is called Capital Township. Should this get its own actual page, or should we just include the info on the Springfield page? The city map will be the same, along with the population and geographical area and demographics. Let me know as I am making a map up for this (just something simple, not very complicated or good looking, trust me).-- Kranar drogin 01:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I will start with a small section in the government area, and we can expand it to a larger article later if we want to. -- Kranar drogin 03:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I think we should request a peer review when we get closer to being finished. If nothing else, just to get a broader prospective before we take it to GAC and, then, eventually FAC. IvoShandor 02:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
One thing, let's make sure we are including adequate info in our citation, something more than title and retrieval is probably necessary, just FYI.
In addition, I would note that the following references should probably be reconsidered or replaced per WP:V. When considering replacement I strongly suggest we look toward more scholarly literature, such as peer reviewed journals and the like, especially for the history section.
That's all for now. Please feel free to discuss, or just be bold. IvoShandor 05:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hope your still interested in penning this most important article, if not I always can. I am going to start you off with some sources I am finding. Most of them are database accesses that you will need to get through your local library (public/university) JSTOR and others. Check the URLs for specifics. Full citations below so you can just find the print version if you wanted, too. If it's easier we can divide up the work since I have access to these sorts right off. I'll post them on the Springfield talk page too.
--JSTOR--
Thats it for now, more to come. IvoShandor 12:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
More:
--19th Century Masterfile--
--ABC-CLIO; America: History and Life--
--ProQuest - American Periodicals Series Online 1740-1990--
More to come, that's it for now. : ) IvoShandor 07:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Comments:
A few ideas to investigate:
I undertook a massive reorganization per the first peer review we've received. The article's structure is almost a mirror image of Detroit, Michigan, a current FA. (Heh, and they don't even have an article on their seal. ; ) ). Unfortunately, it has left some sections stubbed, I moved some text around and filled a couple of them, like 'economy' and 'infrastructure'. As an additional note the notable residents section is gone with all of the information being integrated into the appropriate section under 'culture.' This should serve to discourage the addition of non notable people, a common type of vandalism that those sections encourage. The stubbed sections are: Cityscape (architecture and neighborhoods etc.); adn Further reading (which should be of the academic variety). Some of the other new sections will need to be expanded (which is really nothing new). IvoShandor 08:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to open up this informal straw poll on whether the information about the March 2006 tornadoes is a case of recentism and whether it is has a place in the climate section. I feel like we unfairly dismissed objection before so this should serve as a better idea. I will post a notice at WikiProject Illinois. Please voice your opinion below with a support or oppose and your comments as to why. IvoShandor 14:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Should the 2006 tornado information be included in the climate section?
I was looking at the media section, and I wondered about what sort of guidelines might exist.
Should we cover media that is produced in Springfield or that Springfield receives. For instance, WCFN is produced in Champaign, but it is targetted at a Springfield audience and the antenna is seven miles from Springfield. Personally, I think that including it makes sense, but it is also already included in the Champaign article.
Another concern of mine is notability. I had never heard of the UIS Journal before, and I am unsure what presence it has in Springfield at large. I also noticed that the Illinois Times is not mentioned as a local newspaper. I presume that this is an oversight, but will refrain from adding it until I undersand what the standards are for inclusion. Likewise, with my own knowledge, but also checking the FCC database, Springfield has many radio stations. However, I do not believe that all of them should be mentioned, though I also cannot determine an objective standard for inclusion. If we only include some stations, but not others, we are disseminating a bias. David H. Flint 06:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I am going to attempt at expanding this from a stub section. I found this picture section here on the web [39]. Do you think we can use these in the article? I'm not sure if all these pics are free of copyright or what.-- Kranar drogin 01:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I have found some info on the crime section [40], [41], and [42]. I hope this helps some for that section for numbers.-- Kranar drogin 01:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Kranar wants to wrap this collaboration up, I think he may have moved on. But before this article makes it to GAC there are a number of open issues that still have not been satisfactorily addressed. They are listed below. Cross them off as they are done, then we can archive this, the peer review and go for GA.
This is what I see for now. I have also added some images back into the article as well as created a good gallery on Commons and linked it in the see also. IvoShandor 06:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
It seems that Kranar has initiated an improvement drive for Springfield. I couldn't agree more. So this is where we will discuss said improving, if discussion is necessary, which it often becomes so.
Anyway, I am going to do a "peer review" style look at it, at least how I do my peer reviews.
First, at a glance I note these issues:
I will post a more thorough review in a bit, it will outline the changes I will probably go ahead and make. Since Kranar is going to go source hunting tomorrow I will try to drop some fact tags into the article to help out. A mcmurray 04:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
A mcmurray 05:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
That's all for now, stay tuned. A mcmurray 05:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I am going to be working to try and clean up this article, and try and get it to at least GA status after feeling comfortable with how it looks.-- Kranar drogin 04:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I am dropping all the images that were alongside the Registered Historic Places list here for now.
Some other things I thought up, besides the lake.
Other things I did:
This is an encyclopedic article about the city of Springfield. While the tornado may indeed be newsworthy, it certainly isn't a notable event in the city's history. Please consider removing this section to wikinews. Rklawton 05:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
As a native of Springfield, I did, infact, experience the tornado when it came. Yes, it was kind of frightening at first; but no one was harmed, nor killed, a few buildings were destroyed. That's it. A few lousy buildings that could easily be rebuilt. The tornadoes of Springfield, Illinois have proved to be newsworthy, receiving one report on CNN. Now, a climate section would make some sense, and making the tornadoes a sub-section. Leopard Gecko 19:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)--Leopard Gecko
Leopard Gecko is 100% correct. A destructive tornado in tornado country is not historically significant. If it were, every wiki page of every town from Springfield to Salina to San Antonio would be dominated by tornado talk. These tornadoes simply are not important enough to merit such huge play in the history section. As a feature in a weather section, certainly. Chilcoot 20:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I remembered this, and then I found it. The USS Springfield (SSN-761) is specifically named after the Springfields of Illinois and Missouri. Having trouble finding a source on it, but I know it is around here on the net somewhere. I think this should maybe be included in the begining paragraph, or make a section about it and the other Springfield ships that have referred to it.-- Kranar drogin 06:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I saw Kranar added some articles that need to be done. Do we need volunteers? (If we do I gots city departments.) Thus, is every city department notable enough for its own wiki (should I red link them all)? How are we going to approach this? A mcmurray 16:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Here is a list I have found so far here [1] Mayors of Springfield, 1841-2001 (may be incomplete!)
I have moved the list to List of mayors of Springfield, Illinois
I created a link to start this page, I think this is something we should start also, thoughts? Got the idea from Detroit, Michigan.-- Kranar drogin 05:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I created List of Springfield city departments, which I am not sure how to approach as far as what to wikilink and what not to. I also created Flag of Springfield, Illinois, which I have submitted for DYK on the Main Page. Just FYI. IvoShandor 16:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
There is a separate page Sister cities of Springfield. Shouldn't this just be included in this article? Calineed 16:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I have taken it upon myself to focus on the history of the city instead of working on the entire article right away. I have found some pretty good sites with a bunch of info that I am going to be adding to the article.-- Kranar drogin 17:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I have found a link here [2] for the Springfield Public School District 186. I am not sure how you want to go about expanding this section. Any suggestions? Should we include everything on this page, would that be ok?-- Kranar drogin 15:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Use summary style. First write a brief overview of the district, I think the education could have subsections, i.e. District #186, Private, Colleges. Looks like there is some stuff there for public and colleges. Do summaries of the High Schools based on their main articles and use the template {{main article|article name}} to link to the main article at the head of the summary.
Like so:
==Education==
===Dist. 186===
====Lanphier High School
{{main article|Lanphier High School}}
====Sacred Heart Griffith====
ETC...
See what I mean? Hopefully I didn't over explain. A mcmurray 17:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know about that infobox with that photo. It's more of a sidebar, a seperate article in its own right, it just seems a bit much. Any thoughts? A mcmurray 01:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Andrew Saavedra. I don't know about this guy. A Google search was suspect, turning up only the usual suspects, mirror sites and the like. The page on him sounds like patent nonsense, albeit cleverly disguised. The article is only linked to here and Nights Are Forever. AfD? What does everyone think? A mcmurray 04:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Note: The article was deleted. A mcmurray ( talk • contribs) 07:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
It seemed to me, as I was tweaking the info in the intro to match the history section, that these dates may be disputed. I propose we verify our specific dates in Springfield history through academic sources. I have access to plenty of online databases for scholarly journals. We could then use those as primary references once the dates are verified. Any thoughts? A mcmurray 19:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
...have fixed and designated a certain point in the prairie near John Kelley's (sic) field, on the waters of Spring creek, at a stake marked Z. & D., as the temporary seat of justice for said county; and do further agree that the said county seat be called and known by the name of Springfield. ... The point chosen was near what is now the northwest corner of Second and Jefferson streets. The first court house in the county was built on the same spot.
... early in 1831, and stood in the centre of the public square, bounded by Washington and Adams, Fifth and Sixth streets. It was a square building, two stories high, hip roof, with a cupola rising in the centre. From the time that court house was erected, all the business of the town collected around the square.
They are described as being very shrewd in their endeavors to have the capital moved to Springfield. As a result of all the lobbying "...was the passage of "An act permanently to locate the seat of government for the State of Illinois," which was approved at Vandalia, February 25, 1837." The actual selection of Springfield for the new state capital was conducted by a special joint session of the legislature on February 28, 1937. After three votes, with no city gaining a majority of votes, Springfield was selected on the fourth vote with 73 out of 111 votes cast (presumably at least 10 abstained).In the Legislature of 1836-7 Sangamon county had two Senators and seven Representatives. They were the most remarkable delegation from any one county to the General Assembly, being much taller than the average of human stature. Some of them were less and some more than six feet, but their combined height was exactly fifty-four feet. They were then and are yet spoken of as the "Long Nine." The names of those in the Senate were Archer G. Herndon and Job Fletcher; in the House, Abraham Lincoln, Ninian W. Edwards, John Dawson, Andrew McCormick, Dan Stone, Wm. F. Elkin and Robert L. Wilson.
and for the granting of a city charterA general law for the incorporation of towns was enacted and approved February 12, 1831. April 2, 1832, Springfield was incorporated under that law. October 18, 1832, the county court ordered a re-survey of the town, in order to adjust the discrepancies between the plats of Calhoun and Springfield. The survey was made and acknowledged June 18, 1833, and recorded November 9, 1836.
By an act of the General Assembly, approved February 3, 1840, a city charter was granted to Springfield. This law provided for an election to be held the first Monday in April, being the sixth day, to adopt or reject the proposed charter. It was adopted, and the first election for city officers was held April 20, 1840.
We have already said that a temporary county seat was chosen for Sangamon county, April 10, 1821, and called Springfield. The first survey of public land in the county took place that year. The Rev. John M. Peck, in his Pioneer History of Illinois, says that Springfield was laid out in February, 1822, referring, no doubt, to Calhoun, which was the name given to the first plat of what is now a part of springfield. It is in the northwestern part of the city. The first sale of public lands in Sangamon county took place November 7, 1823. At that sale the lands were purchased upon which Calhoun had been laid out. Four different parties entered each a quarter of as many sections cornering together. The town plat of Calhoun was recorded December 5, 1823. It was under a law approved December 23, 1824, that the county seat was permanently located by the commissioners, who assembled March 18, 1825, and confirmed the former location at Springfield. The land donated by Elijah Iles and Pascal Enos was laid out into lots, making the streets correspond with those of Calhoun. There was great prejudice against the name of Calhoun, (afterwards the great nullifier of South Carolina,) many refusing to recognize it, and it soon ceased to be used except in the conveyance of lots.
Event | Date |
John Kelly moves to area | Spring, 1819 [5] |
Calhoun founded | 1820 [6] [7] |
Springfield founded as temporary county seat | April 10, 1821 [8] |
Springfield confirmed as permanent county seat | March 18, 1825 [9] |
Springfield incorporated as a town | April 2, 1832 [10] [11] |
Calhoun officially absorbed into Springfield | June 18, 1833 [12] [13] |
Springfield becomes capital | February 28, 1837 [14] |
Legislature first convenes | December 9, 1839 [15] |
Granted of city charter | April 6, 1840 [16] |
Research for a pop culture section will be required. Any movies filmed here? A mcmurray 00:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if this would fall under pop culture or not but anyway, what about professional or semi pro sports. I am pretty sure Springfield has a minor league baseball team and may have hockey or indoor football or other minor sports as well. We must find out. A mcmurray 19:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Music has always been a part of the Springfield culture: Classical, Jazz, etc. Shouldn't it be incorporated into the main article? Just food for thought... I have lived in Springfield for years and I find music to be a very important part of the culture here. I could not find anything on music in the article. [17] TubaPlayer 15:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Per this comment, above, this topic needs to be researched and, if necessary, included. Provided the user above isn't just bold. A mcmurray ( talk • contribs) 09:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry that I was late on this, I have been traveling: Other performing arts such as music and ballet are also common in Springfield. [18] [19] TubaPlayer 15:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
As we enter the home stretch of the improvement drive and then subsequent submission to GA (for which I don't think we need refs in the intro as long as the facts are mentioned elsewhere in the article, and they should be), I wanted to bring up a pertinent point.
This whole drive has acted as one big long peer review session and as such I think all of the material on the talk page here relating to it (there is a lot) ought to be readily available to anyone who comes along. I propose a template of the same vein as the current Illinois project collaboration (ie same design style) that works like the {{ oldpeerreview}}, something that basically says, {{{Article name}}} was the subject of a WikiProject Illinois collaboration of the fortnight. The related talk sessions have now been archived (linking to an archive of the Imprvement drive section of the talk page). The archive may contain ideas to help you improve this artilce to GA standard or higher. Any volunteer template makers? A mcmurray ( talk • contribs) 09:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
As I was preparing to do the townships for Sangamon County, I noticed that Springfield, as all major cities do, has its own township which is called Capital Township. Should this get its own actual page, or should we just include the info on the Springfield page? The city map will be the same, along with the population and geographical area and demographics. Let me know as I am making a map up for this (just something simple, not very complicated or good looking, trust me).-- Kranar drogin 01:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I will start with a small section in the government area, and we can expand it to a larger article later if we want to. -- Kranar drogin 03:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I think we should request a peer review when we get closer to being finished. If nothing else, just to get a broader prospective before we take it to GAC and, then, eventually FAC. IvoShandor 02:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
One thing, let's make sure we are including adequate info in our citation, something more than title and retrieval is probably necessary, just FYI.
In addition, I would note that the following references should probably be reconsidered or replaced per WP:V. When considering replacement I strongly suggest we look toward more scholarly literature, such as peer reviewed journals and the like, especially for the history section.
That's all for now. Please feel free to discuss, or just be bold. IvoShandor 05:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hope your still interested in penning this most important article, if not I always can. I am going to start you off with some sources I am finding. Most of them are database accesses that you will need to get through your local library (public/university) JSTOR and others. Check the URLs for specifics. Full citations below so you can just find the print version if you wanted, too. If it's easier we can divide up the work since I have access to these sorts right off. I'll post them on the Springfield talk page too.
--JSTOR--
Thats it for now, more to come. IvoShandor 12:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
More:
--19th Century Masterfile--
--ABC-CLIO; America: History and Life--
--ProQuest - American Periodicals Series Online 1740-1990--
More to come, that's it for now. : ) IvoShandor 07:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Comments:
A few ideas to investigate:
I undertook a massive reorganization per the first peer review we've received. The article's structure is almost a mirror image of Detroit, Michigan, a current FA. (Heh, and they don't even have an article on their seal. ; ) ). Unfortunately, it has left some sections stubbed, I moved some text around and filled a couple of them, like 'economy' and 'infrastructure'. As an additional note the notable residents section is gone with all of the information being integrated into the appropriate section under 'culture.' This should serve to discourage the addition of non notable people, a common type of vandalism that those sections encourage. The stubbed sections are: Cityscape (architecture and neighborhoods etc.); adn Further reading (which should be of the academic variety). Some of the other new sections will need to be expanded (which is really nothing new). IvoShandor 08:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to open up this informal straw poll on whether the information about the March 2006 tornadoes is a case of recentism and whether it is has a place in the climate section. I feel like we unfairly dismissed objection before so this should serve as a better idea. I will post a notice at WikiProject Illinois. Please voice your opinion below with a support or oppose and your comments as to why. IvoShandor 14:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Should the 2006 tornado information be included in the climate section?
I was looking at the media section, and I wondered about what sort of guidelines might exist.
Should we cover media that is produced in Springfield or that Springfield receives. For instance, WCFN is produced in Champaign, but it is targetted at a Springfield audience and the antenna is seven miles from Springfield. Personally, I think that including it makes sense, but it is also already included in the Champaign article.
Another concern of mine is notability. I had never heard of the UIS Journal before, and I am unsure what presence it has in Springfield at large. I also noticed that the Illinois Times is not mentioned as a local newspaper. I presume that this is an oversight, but will refrain from adding it until I undersand what the standards are for inclusion. Likewise, with my own knowledge, but also checking the FCC database, Springfield has many radio stations. However, I do not believe that all of them should be mentioned, though I also cannot determine an objective standard for inclusion. If we only include some stations, but not others, we are disseminating a bias. David H. Flint 06:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I am going to attempt at expanding this from a stub section. I found this picture section here on the web [39]. Do you think we can use these in the article? I'm not sure if all these pics are free of copyright or what.-- Kranar drogin 01:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I have found some info on the crime section [40], [41], and [42]. I hope this helps some for that section for numbers.-- Kranar drogin 01:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Kranar wants to wrap this collaboration up, I think he may have moved on. But before this article makes it to GAC there are a number of open issues that still have not been satisfactorily addressed. They are listed below. Cross them off as they are done, then we can archive this, the peer review and go for GA.
This is what I see for now. I have also added some images back into the article as well as created a good gallery on Commons and linked it in the see also. IvoShandor 06:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)