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Fails WP:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (web) the site is not notable and serves mainly as a promotional platform. It lacks coverage from reliable, independent sources. Additionally, it is listed on the Arabic Wikipedia blacklist, indicating its unsuitability as a reliable source. فيصل ( talk) 21:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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Italian Syrians
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This isn’t really a topic here. Specifically there is nothing here to suggest that there is a current or recent community of Syrians of Italian heritage. The article discusses Romans of Syrian origins (off topic), then the arrival of Livorno Jews (should be merged into History of the Jews in Syria, and the rest is anecdote and a section copy-pasted from Italy–Syria relations to fill out the article and make it look like an actual topic. Mccapra ( talk) 05:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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- I have reviewed a similar page, which is Italians in Lebanon, the name is different yes, but the page literally doesn’t define anything. Most sources aren’t accessible anymore and the source I can access is the Vinivest 2011? I know this isn’t the time to compare. But, what should the page by about if not Romans of Syrian descent and the history of both countries and the arrivals of the Italian Jews to Syria? I see no reason for all this, and suggest removing it. 2001:8F8:1473:5EF2:848C:A013:291F:7463 ( talk) 00:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Lebanese Aramaic
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Renominating this page for deletion, as there was no input from any third party last time (closed as "no consensus").
Motivation from last time still holds:
- Fails WP:GNG
- See my first entry on the article's talk page here.
- The article mostly gives examples of Syriac language used in Lebanon. The intended topic of the article is an Aramaic language (probably Western) spoken in Lebanon in earlier times.
- From my knowledge, this language/dialect is not documented, thus not discussed in Aramaic studies.
- Few to none WP:RS discusses this "Lebanese Aramaic" or "Lebanese Syriac" or "Surien" language. Content much based on this article, not a WP:RS. Shmayo ( talk) 09:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Lebanon, and Syria. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: As already stated in the previous nomination an article about a language is notable. The article discusses both the vernacular Aramaic and classical Syriac as the two are tightly connected and furthermore the term Syriac was used at time to refer to Aramaic. Wikipedia does not care about what you do or do not believe from your own knowledge ( WP:VERIFYOR) but relies on reliable sources which are already provided in the page. Even if Iskander’s source is contestable Bawardi and Wardini both use the term “Lebanese Aramaic” which you have conveniently left out. I already stated in the previous nomination you are free to edit the page, as everyone is, but you seem to have ignored this as you did my counters to your same points in the previous nomination which makes it seem like you are nominating this based on WP:WINNING rather than anything else. Regardless, I have amended the page to help distinct between the colloquial Aramaic and classical Syriac as that seems to be where part of the confusion is coming from. Red Phoenician ( talk) 22:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- No need to accuse me of anything. There was no third-party opinion last time, which is what I am seeking here. To me, there is no "significant coverage" on this topic, thus no need for a separate Lebanese Aramaic article.
Western Aramaic was obviously spoken in Lebanon, and
Syriac is a part of the Maronite church - but a separate article, heavly based on that Iskander article and some
WP:OR (and plenty information solely on
Syriac)... I do not see how this is notable with one reference to "Lebanese Aramaic" in Bawardi's book and another one in a project description by Wardini. Let's hope his research will give us some more insight in time. This is not comparable with e.g.
CPA, which is actually discussed in Aramaic studies.
Shmayo (
talk) 12:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- There was the third-party opinion of user Maclearie so that is false. Again, this is a contradiction of “the topic has no sources except for the sources which explicitly mention it but let us just deem them irrelevant.” Not sure where the accusation of me adding original research comes from as I have cited all of the information I added but I would like to see a supposed example of such. Red Phoenician ( talk) 03:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- No need to accuse me of anything. There was no third-party opinion last time, which is what I am seeking here. To me, there is no "significant coverage" on this topic, thus no need for a separate Lebanese Aramaic article.
Western Aramaic was obviously spoken in Lebanon, and
Syriac is a part of the Maronite church - but a separate article, heavly based on that Iskander article and some
WP:OR (and plenty information solely on
Syriac)... I do not see how this is notable with one reference to "Lebanese Aramaic" in Bawardi's book and another one in a project description by Wardini. Let's hope his research will give us some more insight in time. This is not comparable with e.g.
CPA, which is actually discussed in Aramaic studies.
Shmayo (
talk) 12:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Third-party as in someone not highly active in this topic (i.e. Lebanon). I have not stated anything about you, this is not about you, but the article. Why would "Syriac alphabet" be listed under writing system? For example.
Shmayo (
talk) 07:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure why it is seen as bad if a user is more knowledgeable about said topic but you are right I made an error with the writing system and have corrected it. Red Phoenician ( talk) 04:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Third-party as in someone not highly active in this topic (i.e. Lebanon). I have not stated anything about you, this is not about you, but the article. Why would "Syriac alphabet" be listed under writing system? For example.
Shmayo (
talk) 07:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
| Points of interest related to
Syria on Wikipedia: Outline – History – Category – WikiProject – Alerts – Deletions – Cleanup – Stubs – Assessment – To-do |
This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to Syria. It is one of many deletion lists coordinated by WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.
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Aliqtisadi
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Fails WP:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (web) the site is not notable and serves mainly as a promotional platform. It lacks coverage from reliable, independent sources. Additionally, it is listed on the Arabic Wikipedia blacklist, indicating its unsuitability as a reliable source. فيصل ( talk) 21:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. فيصل ( talk) 21:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: News media, Companies, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates, and United Kingdom. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Italian Syrians
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This isn’t really a topic here. Specifically there is nothing here to suggest that there is a current or recent community of Syrians of Italian heritage. The article discusses Romans of Syrian origins (off topic), then the arrival of Livorno Jews (should be merged into History of the Jews in Syria, and the rest is anecdote and a section copy-pasted from Italy–Syria relations to fill out the article and make it look like an actual topic. Mccapra ( talk) 05:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Syria and Italy. Mccapra ( talk) 05:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have reviewed a similar page, which is Italians in Lebanon, the name is different yes, but the page literally doesn’t define anything. Most sources aren’t accessible anymore and the source I can access is the Vinivest 2011? I know this isn’t the time to compare. But, what should the page by about if not Romans of Syrian descent and the history of both countries and the arrivals of the Italian Jews to Syria? I see no reason for all this, and suggest removing it. 2001:8F8:1473:5EF2:848C:A013:291F:7463 ( talk) 00:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Lebanese Aramaic
AfDs for this article:
- Lebanese Aramaic ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Renominating this page for deletion, as there was no input from any third party last time (closed as "no consensus").
Motivation from last time still holds:
- Fails WP:GNG
- See my first entry on the article's talk page here.
- The article mostly gives examples of Syriac language used in Lebanon. The intended topic of the article is an Aramaic language (probably Western) spoken in Lebanon in earlier times.
- From my knowledge, this language/dialect is not documented, thus not discussed in Aramaic studies.
- Few to none WP:RS discusses this "Lebanese Aramaic" or "Lebanese Syriac" or "Surien" language. Content much based on this article, not a WP:RS. Shmayo ( talk) 09:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Lebanon, and Syria. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: As already stated in the previous nomination an article about a language is notable. The article discusses both the vernacular Aramaic and classical Syriac as the two are tightly connected and furthermore the term Syriac was used at time to refer to Aramaic. Wikipedia does not care about what you do or do not believe from your own knowledge ( WP:VERIFYOR) but relies on reliable sources which are already provided in the page. Even if Iskander’s source is contestable Bawardi and Wardini both use the term “Lebanese Aramaic” which you have conveniently left out. I already stated in the previous nomination you are free to edit the page, as everyone is, but you seem to have ignored this as you did my counters to your same points in the previous nomination which makes it seem like you are nominating this based on WP:WINNING rather than anything else. Regardless, I have amended the page to help distinct between the colloquial Aramaic and classical Syriac as that seems to be where part of the confusion is coming from. Red Phoenician ( talk) 22:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- No need to accuse me of anything. There was no third-party opinion last time, which is what I am seeking here. To me, there is no "significant coverage" on this topic, thus no need for a separate Lebanese Aramaic article.
Western Aramaic was obviously spoken in Lebanon, and
Syriac is a part of the Maronite church - but a separate article, heavly based on that Iskander article and some
WP:OR (and plenty information solely on
Syriac)... I do not see how this is notable with one reference to "Lebanese Aramaic" in Bawardi's book and another one in a project description by Wardini. Let's hope his research will give us some more insight in time. This is not comparable with e.g.
CPA, which is actually discussed in Aramaic studies.
Shmayo (
talk) 12:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- There was the third-party opinion of user Maclearie so that is false. Again, this is a contradiction of “the topic has no sources except for the sources which explicitly mention it but let us just deem them irrelevant.” Not sure where the accusation of me adding original research comes from as I have cited all of the information I added but I would like to see a supposed example of such. Red Phoenician ( talk) 03:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- No need to accuse me of anything. There was no third-party opinion last time, which is what I am seeking here. To me, there is no "significant coverage" on this topic, thus no need for a separate Lebanese Aramaic article.
Western Aramaic was obviously spoken in Lebanon, and
Syriac is a part of the Maronite church - but a separate article, heavly based on that Iskander article and some
WP:OR (and plenty information solely on
Syriac)... I do not see how this is notable with one reference to "Lebanese Aramaic" in Bawardi's book and another one in a project description by Wardini. Let's hope his research will give us some more insight in time. This is not comparable with e.g.
CPA, which is actually discussed in Aramaic studies.
Shmayo (
talk) 12:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Third-party as in someone not highly active in this topic (i.e. Lebanon). I have not stated anything about you, this is not about you, but the article. Why would "Syriac alphabet" be listed under writing system? For example.
Shmayo (
talk) 07:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure why it is seen as bad if a user is more knowledgeable about said topic but you are right I made an error with the writing system and have corrected it. Red Phoenician ( talk) 04:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Third-party as in someone not highly active in this topic (i.e. Lebanon). I have not stated anything about you, this is not about you, but the article. Why would "Syriac alphabet" be listed under writing system? For example.
Shmayo (
talk) 07:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)