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Equinox (Amiga demogroup)
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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources and what's linked in the article doesn't establish notability. Surprisingly, there isn't significant coverage of the group in Freax: The Brief History of the Demoscene, Volume 1 (2005) by Tamás Polgár.
I am also bundling the disk magazine European Top 20 published by Equinox in this nomination. toweli ( talk) 18:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Philipp Haas
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There's not much significant coverage of Philipp Haas published in multiple secondary and reliable sources. There seem to be 2 interviews with him. He hasn't won any awards. He is just the CEO of a notable company. There is not much for a proper biography article. Ynsfial ( talk) 07:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as per nom. Hyperbolick ( talk) 09:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom and no sigcov. Alexeyevitch( talk) 08:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: doesn't meet Wikipedia Notability guidelines for people. EncyclopediaEditorXIV ( talk) 17:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per above editor comments and nomination. Go4thProsper ( talk) 21:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Liberales Institut
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This subject fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. It hasn't had sources since at least 2012 if ever. JFHJr ( ㊟) 03:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Let's start by ignoring the WP:ITSUNREFERENCED claim by the nom, since that's one of the Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. This is a difficult subject to research because this report indicates that there are two organizations with the same name and similar views, which makes finding sources more challenging than usual. Also, it's Swiss, so you really need to search under four different names (German, French, Italian, and English). This is time-consuming, so it's not surprising that people might do a cursory search, find nothing, and give up. I think it might make more sense to treat this subject like a scholarly publisher than like a business or a social club. I would particularly consider WP:NMEDIA's "frequently cited by other reliable sources" as a possibility. As for sources, this Swiss-German article looks potentially useful, and I notice that the article at the French Wikipedia cites five sources (none of which are the org's website). WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. You can help expand this article with text translated from the corresponding article in German. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 08:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I looked at the sources in the French article
[1] is an interview with a minimal description of the institute, this is about a prize given out/details on the winner
[2]. The German ones I'm unable to translate as they block access while at work, might have to review at home later...
Oaktree b (
talk) 13:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I also checked on the sources that appear on the francophone wiki and they appear to be passing mention; the
Wilhelm Röpke award appears in a secondary source, but itself does not appear to be a major award. But quality wise, that source may come closest to in-depth coverage as far as fr wiki goes.
JFHJr (
㊟) 21:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are plenty of German sources that go beyond passing mention. Will work on article. Wickster12345 ( talk) 04:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- I also checked on the sources that appear on the francophone wiki and they appear to be passing mention; the
Wilhelm Röpke award appears in a secondary source, but itself does not appear to be a major award. But quality wise, that source may come closest to in-depth coverage as far as fr wiki goes.
JFHJr (
㊟) 21:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- weka keep: Probably enough for a basic article about this institute, in addition to the sources I explained above, [3] describes their work, but it's a few lines only. This book talks about them [4] Oaktree b ( talk) 13:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I don't see anything approaching SIRS here -- a couple sentences parroting the org's self-description in one book is not enough to count towards NORG, let alone meet it. The main de.wp news source is a report on an event/speaker that the institute helped organize at a university, its only coverage is a one-sentence description and some info relayed by its director, so it handily fails SIRS. The other de.wp source is non-independent as it was written by a disgruntled former member. JoelleJay ( talk) 02:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Very easy to find new sources on this one. Will get started, there's plenty of German and English-language secondary sources which are admissible as evidence of notability as per Wikipedia policy language is not a factor in whether a source can be used.
Wickster12345 (
talk) 04:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are academic secondary sources where the Liberales Institut and its work have been profiled and NOT just mentioned in passing. I have included some and will continue adding.
Wickster12345 (
talk) 05:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- The texts you added are a primary research paper, the findings of which are not DUE and whose only secondary coverage of LI is
Outside the UK, the next oldest organization included in our analyses is Liberales Institut (LI), established in Zurich, Switzerland in 1979. A declared follower of the Austrian School of Economics,
, which is far from SIGCOV; and findings from a conference co-organized by LI (not independent). Neither of these counts toward SIRS. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- The texts you added are a primary research paper, the findings of which are not DUE and whose only secondary coverage of LI is
- There are academic secondary sources where the Liberales Institut and its work have been profiled and NOT just mentioned in passing. I have included some and will continue adding.
Wickster12345 (
talk) 05:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
-
User:JoelleJay, one more thing, in dismissing the one current German-language source with the "disgruntled ex-member" (I would dispute this characterization by the way) as not independent, in my my opinion we are committing a textbook version of the mistake of "Independence does not imply even-handedness. An independent source may hold a strongly positive or negative view of a topic or an idea. For example, a scholar might write about literacy in developing countries, and they may personally strongly favor teaching all children how to read, regardless of gender or socioeconomic status. Yet if the author gains no personal benefit from the education of these children, then the publication is an independent source on the topic.'" from Wikipedia:Independent_sources. Liberales Institut is not a company and Kohler is not gaining in any way from publishing criticism, in and of itself, outside of, maybe a sense of being right. I recall reading the essay and it never seemed like Kohler wanted to hurt LI's financial interests or existence, it seems more like he became ideologically disenchanted and explained why, which is fair game and notable coverage if one of Switzerland's main magazines picks it up. ''
Wickster12345 (
talk) 06:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Kohler is not independent of the institute, therefore what he says about it does not contribute to notability. It doesn't matter what type of relationship he had with it or how neutral his coverage of it is; the attention he gives to LI does not demonstrate that it is a subject of significant interest to people with zero affiliation with the subject. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- weak keep. The sourcing on this page is passable and enough to justify it, but it should surely be improved. 71.246.78.77 ( talk) 12:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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| Points of interest related to
Switzerland on Wikipedia: Outline – History – Portal – Category – WikiProject – Alerts – Deletions – Cleanup – Stubs – Assessment |
This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to Switzerland. It is one of many deletion lists coordinated by WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.
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- Further information
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Equinox (Amiga demogroup)
AfDs for this article:
- Equinox (Amiga demogroup) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources and what's linked in the article doesn't establish notability. Surprisingly, there isn't significant coverage of the group in Freax: The Brief History of the Demoscene, Volume 1 (2005) by Tamás Polgár.
I am also bundling the disk magazine European Top 20 published by Equinox in this nomination. toweli ( talk) 18:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Visual arts, Organizations, Computing, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, and United Kingdom. toweli ( talk) 18:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Philipp Haas
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There's not much significant coverage of Philipp Haas published in multiple secondary and reliable sources. There seem to be 2 interviews with him. He hasn't won any awards. He is just the CEO of a notable company. There is not much for a proper biography article. Ynsfial ( talk) 07:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Switzerland, Turkey, and New Zealand. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 08:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. Hyperbolick ( talk) 09:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom and no sigcov. Alexeyevitch( talk) 08:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: doesn't meet Wikipedia Notability guidelines for people. EncyclopediaEditorXIV ( talk) 17:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per above editor comments and nomination. Go4thProsper ( talk) 21:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Liberales Institut
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This subject fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. It hasn't had sources since at least 2012 if ever. JFHJr ( ㊟) 03:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Libertarianism, Organizations, Politics, and Switzerland. JFHJr ( ㊟) 03:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Let's start by ignoring the WP:ITSUNREFERENCED claim by the nom, since that's one of the Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. This is a difficult subject to research because this report indicates that there are two organizations with the same name and similar views, which makes finding sources more challenging than usual. Also, it's Swiss, so you really need to search under four different names (German, French, Italian, and English). This is time-consuming, so it's not surprising that people might do a cursory search, find nothing, and give up. I think it might make more sense to treat this subject like a scholarly publisher than like a business or a social club. I would particularly consider WP:NMEDIA's "frequently cited by other reliable sources" as a possibility. As for sources, this Swiss-German article looks potentially useful, and I notice that the article at the French Wikipedia cites five sources (none of which are the org's website). WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. You can help expand this article with text translated from the corresponding article in German. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 08:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I looked at the sources in the French article
[1] is an interview with a minimal description of the institute, this is about a prize given out/details on the winner
[2]. The German ones I'm unable to translate as they block access while at work, might have to review at home later...
Oaktree b (
talk) 13:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I also checked on the sources that appear on the francophone wiki and they appear to be passing mention; the
Wilhelm Röpke award appears in a secondary source, but itself does not appear to be a major award. But quality wise, that source may come closest to in-depth coverage as far as fr wiki goes.
JFHJr (
㊟) 21:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are plenty of German sources that go beyond passing mention. Will work on article. Wickster12345 ( talk) 04:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- I also checked on the sources that appear on the francophone wiki and they appear to be passing mention; the
Wilhelm Röpke award appears in a secondary source, but itself does not appear to be a major award. But quality wise, that source may come closest to in-depth coverage as far as fr wiki goes.
JFHJr (
㊟) 21:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- weka keep: Probably enough for a basic article about this institute, in addition to the sources I explained above, [3] describes their work, but it's a few lines only. This book talks about them [4] Oaktree b ( talk) 13:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I don't see anything approaching SIRS here -- a couple sentences parroting the org's self-description in one book is not enough to count towards NORG, let alone meet it. The main de.wp news source is a report on an event/speaker that the institute helped organize at a university, its only coverage is a one-sentence description and some info relayed by its director, so it handily fails SIRS. The other de.wp source is non-independent as it was written by a disgruntled former member. JoelleJay ( talk) 02:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Very easy to find new sources on this one. Will get started, there's plenty of German and English-language secondary sources which are admissible as evidence of notability as per Wikipedia policy language is not a factor in whether a source can be used.
Wickster12345 (
talk) 04:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are academic secondary sources where the Liberales Institut and its work have been profiled and NOT just mentioned in passing. I have included some and will continue adding.
Wickster12345 (
talk) 05:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- The texts you added are a primary research paper, the findings of which are not DUE and whose only secondary coverage of LI is
Outside the UK, the next oldest organization included in our analyses is Liberales Institut (LI), established in Zurich, Switzerland in 1979. A declared follower of the Austrian School of Economics,
, which is far from SIGCOV; and findings from a conference co-organized by LI (not independent). Neither of these counts toward SIRS. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- The texts you added are a primary research paper, the findings of which are not DUE and whose only secondary coverage of LI is
- There are academic secondary sources where the Liberales Institut and its work have been profiled and NOT just mentioned in passing. I have included some and will continue adding.
Wickster12345 (
talk) 05:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
-
User:JoelleJay, one more thing, in dismissing the one current German-language source with the "disgruntled ex-member" (I would dispute this characterization by the way) as not independent, in my my opinion we are committing a textbook version of the mistake of "Independence does not imply even-handedness. An independent source may hold a strongly positive or negative view of a topic or an idea. For example, a scholar might write about literacy in developing countries, and they may personally strongly favor teaching all children how to read, regardless of gender or socioeconomic status. Yet if the author gains no personal benefit from the education of these children, then the publication is an independent source on the topic.'" from Wikipedia:Independent_sources. Liberales Institut is not a company and Kohler is not gaining in any way from publishing criticism, in and of itself, outside of, maybe a sense of being right. I recall reading the essay and it never seemed like Kohler wanted to hurt LI's financial interests or existence, it seems more like he became ideologically disenchanted and explained why, which is fair game and notable coverage if one of Switzerland's main magazines picks it up. ''
Wickster12345 (
talk) 06:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Kohler is not independent of the institute, therefore what he says about it does not contribute to notability. It doesn't matter what type of relationship he had with it or how neutral his coverage of it is; the attention he gives to LI does not demonstrate that it is a subject of significant interest to people with zero affiliation with the subject. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- weak keep. The sourcing on this page is passable and enough to justify it, but it should surely be improved. 71.246.78.77 ( talk) 12:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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