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Nabhan family
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No reliable sources to indicate that (1) this family has been covered as a family as opposed to individual members or that (2) the people name-checked in this article are actually part of the same family. Several sources are unreliable; a seemingly user-generated site with no named authors or sourcing information on family names, and the WP:USERGENERATED MyHeritage geneaology site. The remaining sources are primary sources or media profiles of individuals with this surname, but they give no coverage to the family or evidence of how (if at all) the individuals across Syria, Brazil, the United States and the Gaza Strip are related. Fails WP:GNG and, per WP:NOPAGE, there is nothing this page does that Nabhan cannot. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 23:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Brazil, and United States of America. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Per nom. Svartner ( talk) 04:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Liam Ayoub
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Lebanese rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 22:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Another Australian second tier player who's article needs actually writing. Looks like it can be expanded upon but of not delete. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Gabriel & Co.
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Fails WP:NCORP. Not satisfied with the reliability of sources. I could not find anything else online either. GMH Melbourne ( talk) 02:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep he company has significant notability within the jewelry industry, evidenced by extensive coverage in reputable sources such as industry publications and mainstream media. Additionally, the article provides verifiable information about the company's history, product offerings, and impact on the market that meets gng --
Welcome to Pandora (
talk) 08:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have any sources you could find that establish notability? GMH Melbourne ( talk) 08:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: if you are arguing to Keep this article, please share source that can be used to establish notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - I have to agree wth Pandora. The sources seems to satisfy WP:GNG. MaskedSinger ( talk) 08:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Did a spot check of a few references, and they read like PR/puff pieces. Lean delete, per WP:CORPDEPTH.- KH-1 ( talk) 12:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Lebanese Aramaic
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Renominating this page for deletion, as there was no input from any third party last time (closed as "no consensus").
Motivation from last time still holds:
- Fails WP:GNG
- See my first entry on the article's talk page here.
- The article mostly gives examples of Syriac language used in Lebanon. The intended topic of the article is an Aramaic language (probably Western) spoken in Lebanon in earlier times.
- From my knowledge, this language/dialect is not documented, thus not discussed in Aramaic studies.
- Few to none WP:RS discusses this "Lebanese Aramaic" or "Lebanese Syriac" or "Surien" language. Content much based on this article, not a WP:RS. Shmayo ( talk) 09:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Lebanon, and Syria. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: As already stated in the previous nomination an article about a language is notable. The article discusses both the vernacular Aramaic and classical Syriac as the two are tightly connected and furthermore the term Syriac was used at time to refer to Aramaic. Wikipedia does not care about what you do or do not believe from your own knowledge ( WP:VERIFYOR) but relies on reliable sources which are already provided in the page. Even if Iskander’s source is contestable Bawardi and Wardini both use the term “Lebanese Aramaic” which you have conveniently left out. I already stated in the previous nomination you are free to edit the page, as everyone is, but you seem to have ignored this as you did my counters to your same points in the previous nomination which makes it seem like you are nominating this based on WP:WINNING rather than anything else. Regardless, I have amended the page to help distinct between the colloquial Aramaic and classical Syriac as that seems to be where part of the confusion is coming from. Red Phoenician ( talk) 22:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- No need to accuse me of anything. There was no third-party opinion last time, which is what I am seeking here. To me, there is no "significant coverage" on this topic, thus no need for a separate Lebanese Aramaic article.
Western Aramaic was obviously spoken in Lebanon, and
Syriac is a part of the Maronite church - but a separate article, heavly based on that Iskander article and some
WP:OR (and plenty information solely on
Syriac)... I do not see how this is notable with one reference to "Lebanese Aramaic" in Bawardi's book and another one in a project description by Wardini. Let's hope his research will give us some more insight in time. This is not comparable with e.g.
CPA, which is actually discussed in Aramaic studies.
Shmayo (
talk) 12:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- There was the third-party opinion of user Maclearie so that is false. Again, this is a contradiction of “the topic has no sources except for the sources which explicitly mention it but let us just deem them irrelevant.” Not sure where the accusation of me adding original research comes from as I have cited all of the information I added but I would like to see a supposed example of such. Red Phoenician ( talk) 03:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- No need to accuse me of anything. There was no third-party opinion last time, which is what I am seeking here. To me, there is no "significant coverage" on this topic, thus no need for a separate Lebanese Aramaic article.
Western Aramaic was obviously spoken in Lebanon, and
Syriac is a part of the Maronite church - but a separate article, heavly based on that Iskander article and some
WP:OR (and plenty information solely on
Syriac)... I do not see how this is notable with one reference to "Lebanese Aramaic" in Bawardi's book and another one in a project description by Wardini. Let's hope his research will give us some more insight in time. This is not comparable with e.g.
CPA, which is actually discussed in Aramaic studies.
Shmayo (
talk) 12:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Third-party as in someone not highly active in this topic (i.e. Lebanon). I have not stated anything about you, this is not about you, but the article. Why would "Syriac alphabet" be listed under writing system? For example.
Shmayo (
talk) 07:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure why it is seen as bad if a user is more knowledgeable about said topic but you are right I made an error with the writing system and have corrected it. Red Phoenician ( talk) 04:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Third-party as in someone not highly active in this topic (i.e. Lebanon). I have not stated anything about you, this is not about you, but the article. Why would "Syriac alphabet" be listed under writing system? For example.
Shmayo (
talk) 07:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 05:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - please assume I know nothing about this topic. What sources are there that show this is a distinct dialect or language from the topic of
Western Aramaic languages please? They don't have to be in English. Thanks.
JMWt (
talk) 07:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, besides a source from Wardini
[1] and one from Bawardi
[2] explicitly mentioning Lebanese Aramaic there is also the “Introduction to Aramean and Syriac Studies” by Akopian which mentions “the local Western Aramaic dialect”
[3] as well as another source from Wardini discussing its “complex development which in some cases is parallel to, yet often distinct from, the development of its Modern West Aramaic cousins.”
[4]
Red Phoenician (
talk) 01:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok thanks. Are any of those significant coverage as per the GNG?
JMWt (
talk) 07:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Wardini's sources are specifically about the language. Red Phoenician ( talk) 23:17, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok thanks. Are any of those significant coverage as per the GNG?
JMWt (
talk) 07:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, besides a source from Wardini
[1] and one from Bawardi
[2] explicitly mentioning Lebanese Aramaic there is also the “Introduction to Aramean and Syriac Studies” by Akopian which mentions “the local Western Aramaic dialect”
[3] as well as another source from Wardini discussing its “complex development which in some cases is parallel to, yet often distinct from, the development of its Modern West Aramaic cousins.”
[4]
Red Phoenician (
talk) 01:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - nothing much offered in the way of sources. The best source is apparently one written about placenames in Aramaic, but this is hardly demonstrative of a distinct dialect of the language.
JMWt (
talk) 05:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The source explicitly describes it as distinct so not sure where this is coming from. Red Phoenician ( talk) 05:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 23:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Proposed deletions
- April 2023 Israel rocket attacks (via WP:PROD on 12 September 2003)
| Points of interest related to
Lebanon on Wikipedia: Outline – History – Portal – Category – WikiProject – Alerts – Deletions – Cleanup – Stubs – Assessment – To-do |
This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to Lebanon. It is one of many deletion lists coordinated by WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.
- Adding a new AfD discussion
- Adding an AfD to this page does not add it to the main page at
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WP:AFD. If you want to nominate an article for deletion, go through the process on that page before adding it to this page. To add a discussion to this page, follow these steps:
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- You should also tag the AfD by adding {{subst:delsort|Lebanon|~~~~}} to it, which will inform editors that it has been listed here. You may place this tag above or below the nomination statement or at the end of the discussion thread.
- There are a few scripts and tools that can make this easier.
- Removing a closed AfD discussion
- Closed AfD discussions are automatically removed by a bot.
- Other types of discussions
- You can also add and remove other discussions ( prod, CfD, TfD etc.) related to Lebanon. For the other XfD's, the process is the same as AfD (except {{Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName}} is used for MFD and {{ transclude xfd}} for the rest). For PRODs, adding a link with {{ prodded}} will suffice.
- Further information
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Nabhan family
- Nabhan family ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No reliable sources to indicate that (1) this family has been covered as a family as opposed to individual members or that (2) the people name-checked in this article are actually part of the same family. Several sources are unreliable; a seemingly user-generated site with no named authors or sourcing information on family names, and the WP:USERGENERATED MyHeritage geneaology site. The remaining sources are primary sources or media profiles of individuals with this surname, but they give no coverage to the family or evidence of how (if at all) the individuals across Syria, Brazil, the United States and the Gaza Strip are related. Fails WP:GNG and, per WP:NOPAGE, there is nothing this page does that Nabhan cannot. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 23:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Brazil, and United States of America. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Per nom. Svartner ( talk) 04:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Liam Ayoub
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Lebanese rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 22:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Rugby league, Lebanon, and Australia. JTtheOG ( talk) 22:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Another Australian second tier player who's article needs actually writing. Looks like it can be expanded upon but of not delete. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Gabriel & Co.
- Gabriel & Co. ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP. Not satisfied with the reliability of sources. I could not find anything else online either. GMH Melbourne ( talk) 02:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Fashion, Lebanon, United States of America, and New York. GMH Melbourne ( talk) 02:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep he company has significant notability within the jewelry industry, evidenced by extensive coverage in reputable sources such as industry publications and mainstream media. Additionally, the article provides verifiable information about the company's history, product offerings, and impact on the market that meets gng --
Welcome to Pandora (
talk) 08:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have any sources you could find that establish notability? GMH Melbourne ( talk) 08:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: if you are arguing to Keep this article, please share source that can be used to establish notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - I have to agree wth Pandora. The sources seems to satisfy WP:GNG. MaskedSinger ( talk) 08:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Did a spot check of a few references, and they read like PR/puff pieces. Lean delete, per WP:CORPDEPTH.- KH-1 ( talk) 12:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Lebanese Aramaic
AfDs for this article:
- Lebanese Aramaic ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Renominating this page for deletion, as there was no input from any third party last time (closed as "no consensus").
Motivation from last time still holds:
- Fails WP:GNG
- See my first entry on the article's talk page here.
- The article mostly gives examples of Syriac language used in Lebanon. The intended topic of the article is an Aramaic language (probably Western) spoken in Lebanon in earlier times.
- From my knowledge, this language/dialect is not documented, thus not discussed in Aramaic studies.
- Few to none WP:RS discusses this "Lebanese Aramaic" or "Lebanese Syriac" or "Surien" language. Content much based on this article, not a WP:RS. Shmayo ( talk) 09:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Lebanon, and Syria. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: As already stated in the previous nomination an article about a language is notable. The article discusses both the vernacular Aramaic and classical Syriac as the two are tightly connected and furthermore the term Syriac was used at time to refer to Aramaic. Wikipedia does not care about what you do or do not believe from your own knowledge ( WP:VERIFYOR) but relies on reliable sources which are already provided in the page. Even if Iskander’s source is contestable Bawardi and Wardini both use the term “Lebanese Aramaic” which you have conveniently left out. I already stated in the previous nomination you are free to edit the page, as everyone is, but you seem to have ignored this as you did my counters to your same points in the previous nomination which makes it seem like you are nominating this based on WP:WINNING rather than anything else. Regardless, I have amended the page to help distinct between the colloquial Aramaic and classical Syriac as that seems to be where part of the confusion is coming from. Red Phoenician ( talk) 22:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- No need to accuse me of anything. There was no third-party opinion last time, which is what I am seeking here. To me, there is no "significant coverage" on this topic, thus no need for a separate Lebanese Aramaic article.
Western Aramaic was obviously spoken in Lebanon, and
Syriac is a part of the Maronite church - but a separate article, heavly based on that Iskander article and some
WP:OR (and plenty information solely on
Syriac)... I do not see how this is notable with one reference to "Lebanese Aramaic" in Bawardi's book and another one in a project description by Wardini. Let's hope his research will give us some more insight in time. This is not comparable with e.g.
CPA, which is actually discussed in Aramaic studies.
Shmayo (
talk) 12:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- There was the third-party opinion of user Maclearie so that is false. Again, this is a contradiction of “the topic has no sources except for the sources which explicitly mention it but let us just deem them irrelevant.” Not sure where the accusation of me adding original research comes from as I have cited all of the information I added but I would like to see a supposed example of such. Red Phoenician ( talk) 03:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- No need to accuse me of anything. There was no third-party opinion last time, which is what I am seeking here. To me, there is no "significant coverage" on this topic, thus no need for a separate Lebanese Aramaic article.
Western Aramaic was obviously spoken in Lebanon, and
Syriac is a part of the Maronite church - but a separate article, heavly based on that Iskander article and some
WP:OR (and plenty information solely on
Syriac)... I do not see how this is notable with one reference to "Lebanese Aramaic" in Bawardi's book and another one in a project description by Wardini. Let's hope his research will give us some more insight in time. This is not comparable with e.g.
CPA, which is actually discussed in Aramaic studies.
Shmayo (
talk) 12:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Third-party as in someone not highly active in this topic (i.e. Lebanon). I have not stated anything about you, this is not about you, but the article. Why would "Syriac alphabet" be listed under writing system? For example.
Shmayo (
talk) 07:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure why it is seen as bad if a user is more knowledgeable about said topic but you are right I made an error with the writing system and have corrected it. Red Phoenician ( talk) 04:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Third-party as in someone not highly active in this topic (i.e. Lebanon). I have not stated anything about you, this is not about you, but the article. Why would "Syriac alphabet" be listed under writing system? For example.
Shmayo (
talk) 07:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 05:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - please assume I know nothing about this topic. What sources are there that show this is a distinct dialect or language from the topic of
Western Aramaic languages please? They don't have to be in English. Thanks.
JMWt (
talk) 07:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, besides a source from Wardini
[1] and one from Bawardi
[2] explicitly mentioning Lebanese Aramaic there is also the “Introduction to Aramean and Syriac Studies” by Akopian which mentions “the local Western Aramaic dialect”
[3] as well as another source from Wardini discussing its “complex development which in some cases is parallel to, yet often distinct from, the development of its Modern West Aramaic cousins.”
[4]
Red Phoenician (
talk) 01:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok thanks. Are any of those significant coverage as per the GNG?
JMWt (
talk) 07:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Wardini's sources are specifically about the language. Red Phoenician ( talk) 23:17, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok thanks. Are any of those significant coverage as per the GNG?
JMWt (
talk) 07:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, besides a source from Wardini
[1] and one from Bawardi
[2] explicitly mentioning Lebanese Aramaic there is also the “Introduction to Aramean and Syriac Studies” by Akopian which mentions “the local Western Aramaic dialect”
[3] as well as another source from Wardini discussing its “complex development which in some cases is parallel to, yet often distinct from, the development of its Modern West Aramaic cousins.”
[4]
Red Phoenician (
talk) 01:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - nothing much offered in the way of sources. The best source is apparently one written about placenames in Aramaic, but this is hardly demonstrative of a distinct dialect of the language.
JMWt (
talk) 05:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The source explicitly describes it as distinct so not sure where this is coming from. Red Phoenician ( talk) 05:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 23:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Proposed deletions
- April 2023 Israel rocket attacks (via WP:PROD on 12 September 2003)