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Hi
I've just been running a training for people on how to edit Wikipedia and none of them could see the VE edit option on their brand new accounts. They were all using Apple laptops with the latest versions of Chrome. We made sure that 'Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta' wasn't checked.
Can anyone suggest other reasons why they could not see VE option? Is there anything that could have been disabled on their laptop browser that would mean that Source editor worked fine but VE didn't show up as an option?
Thanks
-- John Cummings ( talk) 09:23, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
The current version of the mw:2017 wikitext editor can be seen via Beta Features at the Beta Cluster.
Create an account (do *NOT* use a password that you use anywhere else; this is one of the WMF test sites that gets the newest/most broken code, so there's always a chance of a security problem) and login. Go to https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures and enable the "new wikitext editor" item. Then go to http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/World?action=edit (or any article) and see what it looks like when you switch back and forth.
BTW, the devs expect to have a basic auto-saving feature by the time is stable enough to move to the regular projects. Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk) 21:53, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
NicoV, here's some screenshots:
I'm not getting a blank page now (and a lot of the code changed yesterday). Can you still reproduce this? Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk) 16:59, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
==Test==
not detected as a heading (maybe the missing whitespace characters ?)My advice to students has been: Don't touch VE, as all your potential mentors will not be using it. It is still in alpha. But each year I revisit VE to see how it has improved. I found one activity where it is the best tool and that is in adding wikilinks in existing text.
However here are my list of no-nos
More comments will follow as I probe deeper. Nevertheless greetings to all ClemRutter ( talk) 10:31, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
To chime in on three points:
ClemRutter, could you please provide links to the "Help" that you looked at (item 6 in the original list)? Sorry just forgotten it -- ClemRutter ( talk) 21:51, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Also, an autosave feature (useful if you accidentally close the wrong tab) may be released soon. (Warnings about closing tabs without saving content are provided by your web browser, not by web pages themselves.) Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk) 18:39, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
I cannot upload the new logo of our federation, Febelgra. Message is We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons.
URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Febelgra&action=edit
Febelgra ( talk) 07:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=St._Francis_Preparatory_School§ion=1&veaction=edit&oldid=742797808&wteswitched=1: I am in fact a member of the "historic" first co-ed graduating class of St. Francis Prep, and cannot figure out how to edit the article's reference to Prep's predecessor school (Bishop Reilly). I'm hoping a member of the Wikipedia team can edit the article as follows:
Section on History references Bishop Reilly High School as having been co-educational, when the school was actually what is known as co-INSTITUTIONAL. There was a girls school on one wing, and boys side on the other (girls on the West, boys on the East), and we ONLY comingled at lunch in the co-ed cafeteria. There were NO co-ed classes. Clubs and certain other extracurricular activities were quite co-ed.
Therefore, please edit the reference to Bishop Reilly to describe it as "co-institutional".
Finally, the title of the article should reference Prep as "St. Francis Preparatory HIGH SCHOOL". It is NOT "St. Francis Preparatory School".
My thanks for whatever attention you'll pay to this edit request!!
Robin R. Hicks (nee Rollins) SFP, '75!!
173.56.243.111 (
talk)
04:49, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | I was trying to shorten my Userbox so it would look nice. |
Steps to Reproduce: | #
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Results: | The page itself went into the userbox. |
Expectations: | Obviously enough, for it to not go into the userbox, and for the userboxes to only be in the group. |
Page where the issue occurs | (no bugs) (bugged) |
Web browser | Google Chrome: V. 54.0.2840.59 m |
Operating system | Windows 7 Professional SP 1 |
Skin | Vector |
Notes: | Previously took this to Userboxbottom talk, was redirected here. |
Workaround or suggested solution | Enter Source editing, move userboxbottom onto it's own line. |
The Phase Master ( talk) 18:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
URL: /info/en/?search=Child_Soldiers_International?action=edit
The logo does not show up accurately. It should say Child Soldiers International, however, for some reason it only shows 'Child'. Once you click on it, it shows the accurate logo. I have tried to upload the logo three times already and each time it did not show up correctly.
Thank you
YTalas ( talk) 15:33, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
I know that this has been mentioned before, but would it be possible to implement a method of caching active edits? In the wikitext editor, if I've been working on an edit, I can leave the window open for hours. If my browser crashes, I typically can start it up again an the wikitext editor will reload, with the edits I was working on still in place. However, this does not happen in VE. If my browser crashes, as happened an hour ago, and I haven't saved my work, it will not re-load.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 20:01, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=S%C3%A3o_Paulo&action=edit
I spend over than one hour gathering data about Sao Paulo City population because the current document is completely wrong, and after fill the data i didnt save it.
It was my first and unfoturnatelly last time that I tried to update anything else in this website.
I am very disapointed because I think that you have good informations but it boring to update them and when there is something wrong the editor just tell us "there are something wrong. try to discovery sukcer"
Ubirajarasegura ( talk) 12:43, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | Add the Commons photo File:Bishop Nathaniel Dawes, Anglican Bishop of Rockhampton.jpg to the en.WP article Nathaniel Dawes with the caption "Bishop Nathaniel Dawes, Anglican Bishop of Rockhampton" |
Steps to Reproduce: | Insert Media, pause for photos to appear, click on desired photo, up comes the Media Setting Screen. Copy the file name because I want to reuse it more-or-less as the caption, paste in the caption field. |
Results: | NOTHING appears in the caption field. It is reproducible, seems to happen on any image. However, it used to work just fine. |
Expectations: | The file name would appear in the caption field ready for me to reuse as a caption (with a little editing) |
Page where the issue occurs | |
Web browser | |
Operating system | |
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Notes: | |
Workaround or suggested solution | Type in the caption manually which takes longer and increases the likelihood of a typo. |
Used to work, now it's broken!
Kerry (
talk)
03:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
I couldn't be sure how widespread this is, but it seems when editors use the visual editor for Template:Infobox officeholder and their child templates (I wouldn't know much about others, such as even Infobox person), the data fields get scrambled. The office sections get switched around, particularly term_start and term_end fields getting lumped together and moved to somewhere near the bottom, or sandwiched among later office fields. While this doesn't seem to do much for a casual reader, it does cause confusion when trying to edit/update information in wikitext. These are some examples of those re-orderings (where I've also made my intended edits). [1] [2] [3] [4] I can't remember when I began encountering this issue, but it has definitely been several months now (at least by this summer), but only recently understood the issue to originate with the visual editor. Therequiembellishere ( talk) 11:41, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | Save an edit |
Steps to Reproduce: | I attempted to reproduce with both minor edit checked and unchecked. |
Results: | The window of the page became unreactive and faded-out |
Expectations: | To be able to interact with the window after saving |
Page where the issue occurs | Niacin test |
Web browser | Google Chrome (latest version) |
Operating system | Chrome OS |
Skin | whatever is the default |
Notes: | screencast link on dailymotion screenshot with better definition |
Workaround or suggested solution | Refresh the page and everything goes back to normal. |
Icebob99 ( talk) 20:52, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
We had a group of students working on transferring data from a collection of essays in a book- the course leader had introduced ve- could I just explain how to insert the reference.
This seems to be the relevant cite:
They are not aware that 'add further information' will give them more fields- icon not clear.
The UI of cite book fails them. Lets be more surgical. Alphabetic grouping of some of the fields is a programmer solution- users need logical grouping. first1,last1,authorlink1 all together, then first2 ... In their thinking they want to reference the book- then move on and credit the author of the chapter.
At this point, as tutor I want to fallback to plain wikitext-- there is no [[]] icon to fallback to raw wikitext or the normal wikitext template- so we have to lose the data they have already entered by returning to edit source.
From a tutor point of view- one says- any reference ids better than no reference. If you are not sure copy in what you have got and put <ref></ref> around it. Again that is detected by ve- and throws the student into the cite dialogue! The final tip is to say <!-- --> is a comment that no-one will see until they start editing. Put what you have got in comment brackets and let the course leader sort it out. That does work.
So there are a few issues there. ClemRutter ( talk) 10:34, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I've already reported it several times ago, but it doesn't seem to be fixed : sometimes VE adds images with the link= attribute filled with a link to the image. Example: Jean Gilles (général) (lien= is the equivalent of link= on frwiki). -- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 11:05, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi, VE is still adding span tags to articles with purely internal attributes, like here. Please fix. -- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 11:07, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | I copied a block of text from Analog Science Fiction and Fact that included a footnote, and pasted it into Science fiction and fantasy pulp magazines. I didn't notice the included footnote. |
Steps to Reproduce: | Open a VE session and bring up a Wikipedia page in another tab, but leave that second tab in read mode. Select text from the second tab that includes a footnote. Paste this into the VE session. |
Results: | What appeared to be the footnote was pasted, but the wikitext was <sup>[[Analog Science Fiction and Fact#cite note-TTM 153-8-42|[42]]]</sup> |
Expectations: | Either drop the footnote completely, or paste it in as a correct footnote pointing at this article, or paste it as unlinked text (just a superscripted number in brackets, unlinked). |
Page where the issue occurs | Any Wikipedia article |
Web browser | 54.0.2840.71 m |
Operating system | Windows 7 |
Skin | Vector |
Notes: | The main problem is that it's not instantly obvious what happened; I noticed that the cite wasn't renumbered so I took a closer look. It would be pretty easy for someone to leave these in place, and in fact I'll bet a nickel that there are already some of these in wikitext, unnoticed. |
Workaround or suggested solution | If you know it happened, there's no problem in editing them out. |
Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 16:02, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
I was trying to make a simple edit on the Viking metal article - I needed to add an archived url to fix a dead link. In the source editor, all I needed to do was scroll down and add the link. Now, the reference section in that article uses Template:Refbegin and Template:Refend, so in Visual Editor, you get this big mess of columns. It's still fairly easy to amend existing parameters, though it might take longer to find the reference in question. But I could not find how to add new parameters (in this case, Archive-url and Archive-date) to the existing reference template.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:51, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi
I'm unsure wether this is an issue with the automatic citation function or the source but when I try to create a reference automatically for http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0024/002439/243938e.pdf the tool says We couldn't make a citation for you. You can create one manually using the "Manual" tab above. Please can someone explain why this is happening and what could be done for this source to correct this issue?
Thanks
-- John Cummings ( talk) 11:29, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=The_Amazing_Race_4&action=edit my edit comment box is not appearing when I carry out the edit. I can save but not comment out what changes I made and why. The changes I made were some text change to make it more readable and take out a link selling the promotional dvd.
Neil Kindness ( talk) 06:01, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
I never tried this feature out before. Doesn't seem to work for me at all.
Here's a sample article: Bharatiya Janata Party.
I recall that edit notices used to display before. Considering that my example has an Arb notice, things can get pretty serious if this doesn't happen. Acknowledged or is it just me? Ugog Nizdast ( talk) 13:24, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Confirmed and reported — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 20:12, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | I am trying to clean up the gallery of the additional images section of the Caudate nucleus article using the visual editor; Because someone used the cleanup gallery template, and I agree with that person. |
Steps to Reproduce: | 1. click on
of the "Additional images" section.
This is reproducible. |
Results: | Slideshow is not there, instead all images are displayed small. (see this page for illustration /info/en/?search=Help:Gallery_tag) |
Expectations: | Edit the slideshow directly. This way I can view the images properly. |
Page where the issue occurs | Caudate nucleus |
Web browser | Mozilla Firefox 49.0.2 |
Operating system | Arch linux |
Skin | Vector (default) |
Notes: | |
Workaround or suggested solution |
VeniVidiVicipedia ( talk) 16:03, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
URL: /info/en/?search=Estates_of_Cura%C3%A7ao?action=edit&veswitched=1&oldid=751133083
The page title is wrong. The correct word for this is Parliament and not Estates. I changed it in the text but the title is not editable. Thanks.
AnthonyHollander ( talk) 16:13, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
URL: /info/en/?search=International_Expeditions?action=edit
JumboBull415 ( talk) 15:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
__INDEX__
and __NOINDEX__
have no effect in article space.
PrimeHunter (
talk)
17:21, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | All visible elements of the reference should be visible in popup (the popup window should match the visible content in reflist) |
Steps to Reproduce: | While editing, click on ref # 43 (Centers for Disease Control ...) in the main text in "International efforts" of One Health |
Results: | The reference is shown in detail in a small popup window, but without the included raw link |
Expectations: | All visible elements of a reference should be visible in the initial popup window (compare with the following "Edit" popup window, which
display raw links correctly). |
Page where the issue occurs | |
Web browser | Firefox 50.0 |
Operating system | Windows XP |
Skin | Vector |
Notes: | |
Workaround or suggested solution |
GermanJoe ( talk) 18:51, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
I am Unable to save my edit . PLease help
Raminder0707 ( talk) 10:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
URL: /info/en/?search=User:Gargroetzi/sandbox?veaction=edit
I am not currently able to save changes. Eep! I just finished adding to a strong draft and it's complete - but I can't save!!! I keep getting an error when trying to save. What do I do??
Gargroetzi ( talk) 03:08, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
For instance, if I see a linked text that says "Theobalds House" (which was recently moved to "De Vere Theobalds Estate", a more correct name), and I want to replace that text ("Theobalds House") with the newer name for the article, it's relatively difficult to do in the current form of the Visual Editor. Granted, it's far easier IMO to do said action in VE than it is with source editing. And it is very easy to change the article that a text links to, which I'm very grateful for. But if I want to simply replace a text with the name of the article I want the text to link to, it's very difficult from my experience in VE, unless there's just a better way to do that.
Also, you could also make it easier to modify links and text in templates and infoboxes and such, which it's very, very difficult to do so now, and is actually easier to do in source editing IMO.-- Chicowales ( talk) 21:57, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
[[
, it'll pop up the search list for links, so then you only have to type in a little bit of the name, select the item when it appears in the list, and Insert it.Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | A user was trying to remove an infobox parameter
here and
here, but the result was that some of the infobox parameters, |border= , |image_size= , |native_name= got moved to the bottom of the infobox. This tends to look like subtle vandalism, as I often see editors rearrange parameters in an effort to hide numerical vandalism, for instance.
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Steps to Reproduce: | Open Angrej and attempt to edit the infobox. The Infobox parameters will load out of sequence with the page source. |
Results: | I was able to repeat the problem here on Chrome, so I know it's an issue with Visual Editor, not vandalism in this case. I was also able to recreate the issue here with Firefox. |
Expectations: | |
Page where the issue occurs | Angrej - I haven't checked other articles. |
Web browser | Chrome 54.0.2840.99 (64 bit) and Firefox 48.0.2 |
Operating system | Windows 10 |
Skin | |
Notes: | |
Workaround or suggested solution |
Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 19:27, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
|film name
went right down, contradicting what's at
Template:Infobox film#TemplateData. |border
and |image size
seem to be no longer used though, maybe they're the cause?
Ugog Nizdast (
talk)
19:45, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
|film_name=
to the bottom of the infobox, then in the
next edit, I activated the Visual Editor. |image_size=
and |border=
were stuffed right before |film_name=
. Then I tried
moving film_name somewhere toward the middle of the template. In the
next edit I activated Visual Editor, and |film_name=
got moved to the very bottom, along with |image_size=
and |border=
right above it. I don't know if that helps answer anything. Regards,
Cyphoidbomb (
talk)
20:12, 28 November 2016 (UTC)|film_name=
at the top of the infobox formatting, because the image and names display at the top of the infobox. If these are arbitrarily moved to the bottom, we run the risk of users adding duplicate parameters, which is just going to create more work to clean up, and may result in errors.
Cyphoidbomb (
talk)
18:15, 29 November 2016 (UTC)I am not a big user of galleries myself, but I had to edit an article today that had a gallery to add an image. I clicked on the gallery and it offered me the opportunity to add new image, I click on Add New Image, and then the usual search box appears which, after the usual pause, brings up a bunch of candidate photos. I clicked on my desired photo and then it offered me the opportunity to add a caption. Problem! I don't remember the details and there is no way it seems to get the filename or bring up the File page for the image. What seems to be missing here is the "Media settings" screen that comes up when adding an image (not in a gallery) which shows you the file name, and if you need to know more, offers a link to the description page, all of which is useful when writing a detailed caption. Why doesn't the gallery insertion provide the filename and the link to the description page so you can you can write your caption? Fortunately, I had the Commons page for the image sitting in the history in another browser tab, so I managed to find it again on Commons and get the information I needed.
Then, I noticed that the captions of some of the other photos in the gallery were also a bit light on captioning, so I wanted to improve their captions. That was more of a puzzle, as I have no clue what the file names (as they are not displayed), so my search on Commons using the obvious keywords failed to find the photos. Eventually the penny dropped that maybe the files weren't on Commons but were uploaded to Wikipedia and eventually I found the photo there. Again, when looking at an existing image in a gallery, you still need to be shown the file name and a link to the File page. Kerry ( talk) 06:43, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Steps to reproduce:
<gallery mode="packed" class="center"> File:Test.png|a File:Test.png|b </gallery>
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | Use the Sfn template to generate citations within a single paragraph |
Steps to Reproduce: | Open up VE, write some text, then try to insert an Sfn template
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Results: | The template works fine, but creates a line break and sits in its own paragraph. |
Expectations: | Be able to have the sfn template show up in the same line as text. |
Page where the issue occurs | https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User%3A3family6%2FMildred_Barker&type=revision&diff=753710545&oldid=753613136 |
Web browser | Firefox 50.0.02 |
Operating system | Microsoft 10 |
Skin | Vector (I think) |
Notes: | Not a major problem, but a rather annoying one |
Workaround or suggested solution | Follow VE edit up with a wikitext edit to fix the line break issues. |
3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:29, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Is there any way we can make the experience of inserting a photo into an infobox more "visual"? And also support the relocating of another photo in an article into an infobox or vice versa. Right now, it's an absolute pain in VE. I don't know if we could make TemplateData smarter to flag that a parameter expects an image file name or image caption, or take a simpler solution that a parameter pair called image and caption (which seem to the "norm" in most infoboxes) are assumed to have those semantics. I realise that templates and infoboxes are painful/impossible in many ways for the VE-only user, but generally most infoboxes work sort-of OK if the VE uses provides no-markup values for the parameters, but the image parameter isn't one of them. Kerry ( talk) 04:59, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
URL: /info/en/?search=User:Jzsj/sandbox?action=edit
Jzsj ( talk) 22:25, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Is there any easy way to change the way the citation function in VE picks up dates when you're automatically adding a link? I ask because it seems to import as month-day-year automatically and it means editors sometimes have to correct additions that I've made i.e. the most recent edit made to Charlotte Kerwood ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Charlotte_Kerwood&action=history). Red Fiona ( talk) 18:52, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Citoid uses the YYYY-MM-DD date format, and this is unlikely to change. If a format is preferred for a given wiki, then I suspect that they could address that by setting a default date format for users at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering.
I wonder if it would be helpful to have the date-formatting bots add the |df=
to relevant templates as well.
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk)
18:05, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
After a VE edit, I sometimes see Yobot come by and make edits like this, which include in the edit summary the phrase "Removed invisible unicode characters". Is this some debris that VE is leaving behind? That perhaps it should not? Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 01:38, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Mike Christie and Whatamidoing (WMF): VE has the bad habit to allow editors to paste of any character. Pasting from other sites, Microsoft Word, etc. results in various invisible unicode characters inside the text. I use this site to check for invisible characters. It's not a big deal in most cases since the bot fixes them daily. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 15:50, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Andrewjtalcott ( talk) 03:09, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
I notice that some of the wikilinks produced by the VE are annoying the community (well, they are coming along after me and fixing things). An example from Edward Barton Southerden, an article I recently created mostly using the VE, contains:
[[Immigrant|immigrants]]
which has now been changed by another editor to
[[immigrant]]s
which is the preferred form according to WP:NOPIPE. I can't say that it bothers me, as I subscribe to the principle of "never send a human to do a machine's job", but it appears to irritate others, so maybe we should fix the machine. Kerry ( talk) 03:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Hi
I've just been running a training for people on how to edit Wikipedia and none of them could see the VE edit option on their brand new accounts. They were all using Apple laptops with the latest versions of Chrome. We made sure that 'Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta' wasn't checked.
Can anyone suggest other reasons why they could not see VE option? Is there anything that could have been disabled on their laptop browser that would mean that Source editor worked fine but VE didn't show up as an option?
Thanks
-- John Cummings ( talk) 09:23, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
The current version of the mw:2017 wikitext editor can be seen via Beta Features at the Beta Cluster.
Create an account (do *NOT* use a password that you use anywhere else; this is one of the WMF test sites that gets the newest/most broken code, so there's always a chance of a security problem) and login. Go to https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures and enable the "new wikitext editor" item. Then go to http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/World?action=edit (or any article) and see what it looks like when you switch back and forth.
BTW, the devs expect to have a basic auto-saving feature by the time is stable enough to move to the regular projects. Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk) 21:53, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
NicoV, here's some screenshots:
I'm not getting a blank page now (and a lot of the code changed yesterday). Can you still reproduce this? Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk) 16:59, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
==Test==
not detected as a heading (maybe the missing whitespace characters ?)My advice to students has been: Don't touch VE, as all your potential mentors will not be using it. It is still in alpha. But each year I revisit VE to see how it has improved. I found one activity where it is the best tool and that is in adding wikilinks in existing text.
However here are my list of no-nos
More comments will follow as I probe deeper. Nevertheless greetings to all ClemRutter ( talk) 10:31, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
To chime in on three points:
ClemRutter, could you please provide links to the "Help" that you looked at (item 6 in the original list)? Sorry just forgotten it -- ClemRutter ( talk) 21:51, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Also, an autosave feature (useful if you accidentally close the wrong tab) may be released soon. (Warnings about closing tabs without saving content are provided by your web browser, not by web pages themselves.) Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk) 18:39, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
I cannot upload the new logo of our federation, Febelgra. Message is We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons.
URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Febelgra&action=edit
Febelgra ( talk) 07:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=St._Francis_Preparatory_School§ion=1&veaction=edit&oldid=742797808&wteswitched=1: I am in fact a member of the "historic" first co-ed graduating class of St. Francis Prep, and cannot figure out how to edit the article's reference to Prep's predecessor school (Bishop Reilly). I'm hoping a member of the Wikipedia team can edit the article as follows:
Section on History references Bishop Reilly High School as having been co-educational, when the school was actually what is known as co-INSTITUTIONAL. There was a girls school on one wing, and boys side on the other (girls on the West, boys on the East), and we ONLY comingled at lunch in the co-ed cafeteria. There were NO co-ed classes. Clubs and certain other extracurricular activities were quite co-ed.
Therefore, please edit the reference to Bishop Reilly to describe it as "co-institutional".
Finally, the title of the article should reference Prep as "St. Francis Preparatory HIGH SCHOOL". It is NOT "St. Francis Preparatory School".
My thanks for whatever attention you'll pay to this edit request!!
Robin R. Hicks (nee Rollins) SFP, '75!!
173.56.243.111 (
talk)
04:49, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | I was trying to shorten my Userbox so it would look nice. |
Steps to Reproduce: | #
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Results: | The page itself went into the userbox. |
Expectations: | Obviously enough, for it to not go into the userbox, and for the userboxes to only be in the group. |
Page where the issue occurs | (no bugs) (bugged) |
Web browser | Google Chrome: V. 54.0.2840.59 m |
Operating system | Windows 7 Professional SP 1 |
Skin | Vector |
Notes: | Previously took this to Userboxbottom talk, was redirected here. |
Workaround or suggested solution | Enter Source editing, move userboxbottom onto it's own line. |
The Phase Master ( talk) 18:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
URL: /info/en/?search=Child_Soldiers_International?action=edit
The logo does not show up accurately. It should say Child Soldiers International, however, for some reason it only shows 'Child'. Once you click on it, it shows the accurate logo. I have tried to upload the logo three times already and each time it did not show up correctly.
Thank you
YTalas ( talk) 15:33, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
I know that this has been mentioned before, but would it be possible to implement a method of caching active edits? In the wikitext editor, if I've been working on an edit, I can leave the window open for hours. If my browser crashes, I typically can start it up again an the wikitext editor will reload, with the edits I was working on still in place. However, this does not happen in VE. If my browser crashes, as happened an hour ago, and I haven't saved my work, it will not re-load.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 20:01, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=S%C3%A3o_Paulo&action=edit
I spend over than one hour gathering data about Sao Paulo City population because the current document is completely wrong, and after fill the data i didnt save it.
It was my first and unfoturnatelly last time that I tried to update anything else in this website.
I am very disapointed because I think that you have good informations but it boring to update them and when there is something wrong the editor just tell us "there are something wrong. try to discovery sukcer"
Ubirajarasegura ( talk) 12:43, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | Add the Commons photo File:Bishop Nathaniel Dawes, Anglican Bishop of Rockhampton.jpg to the en.WP article Nathaniel Dawes with the caption "Bishop Nathaniel Dawes, Anglican Bishop of Rockhampton" |
Steps to Reproduce: | Insert Media, pause for photos to appear, click on desired photo, up comes the Media Setting Screen. Copy the file name because I want to reuse it more-or-less as the caption, paste in the caption field. |
Results: | NOTHING appears in the caption field. It is reproducible, seems to happen on any image. However, it used to work just fine. |
Expectations: | The file name would appear in the caption field ready for me to reuse as a caption (with a little editing) |
Page where the issue occurs | |
Web browser | |
Operating system | |
Skin | |
Notes: | |
Workaround or suggested solution | Type in the caption manually which takes longer and increases the likelihood of a typo. |
Used to work, now it's broken!
Kerry (
talk)
03:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
I couldn't be sure how widespread this is, but it seems when editors use the visual editor for Template:Infobox officeholder and their child templates (I wouldn't know much about others, such as even Infobox person), the data fields get scrambled. The office sections get switched around, particularly term_start and term_end fields getting lumped together and moved to somewhere near the bottom, or sandwiched among later office fields. While this doesn't seem to do much for a casual reader, it does cause confusion when trying to edit/update information in wikitext. These are some examples of those re-orderings (where I've also made my intended edits). [1] [2] [3] [4] I can't remember when I began encountering this issue, but it has definitely been several months now (at least by this summer), but only recently understood the issue to originate with the visual editor. Therequiembellishere ( talk) 11:41, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | Save an edit |
Steps to Reproduce: | I attempted to reproduce with both minor edit checked and unchecked. |
Results: | The window of the page became unreactive and faded-out |
Expectations: | To be able to interact with the window after saving |
Page where the issue occurs | Niacin test |
Web browser | Google Chrome (latest version) |
Operating system | Chrome OS |
Skin | whatever is the default |
Notes: | screencast link on dailymotion screenshot with better definition |
Workaround or suggested solution | Refresh the page and everything goes back to normal. |
Icebob99 ( talk) 20:52, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
We had a group of students working on transferring data from a collection of essays in a book- the course leader had introduced ve- could I just explain how to insert the reference.
This seems to be the relevant cite:
They are not aware that 'add further information' will give them more fields- icon not clear.
The UI of cite book fails them. Lets be more surgical. Alphabetic grouping of some of the fields is a programmer solution- users need logical grouping. first1,last1,authorlink1 all together, then first2 ... In their thinking they want to reference the book- then move on and credit the author of the chapter.
At this point, as tutor I want to fallback to plain wikitext-- there is no [[]] icon to fallback to raw wikitext or the normal wikitext template- so we have to lose the data they have already entered by returning to edit source.
From a tutor point of view- one says- any reference ids better than no reference. If you are not sure copy in what you have got and put <ref></ref> around it. Again that is detected by ve- and throws the student into the cite dialogue! The final tip is to say <!-- --> is a comment that no-one will see until they start editing. Put what you have got in comment brackets and let the course leader sort it out. That does work.
So there are a few issues there. ClemRutter ( talk) 10:34, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I've already reported it several times ago, but it doesn't seem to be fixed : sometimes VE adds images with the link= attribute filled with a link to the image. Example: Jean Gilles (général) (lien= is the equivalent of link= on frwiki). -- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 11:05, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi, VE is still adding span tags to articles with purely internal attributes, like here. Please fix. -- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 11:07, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | I copied a block of text from Analog Science Fiction and Fact that included a footnote, and pasted it into Science fiction and fantasy pulp magazines. I didn't notice the included footnote. |
Steps to Reproduce: | Open a VE session and bring up a Wikipedia page in another tab, but leave that second tab in read mode. Select text from the second tab that includes a footnote. Paste this into the VE session. |
Results: | What appeared to be the footnote was pasted, but the wikitext was <sup>[[Analog Science Fiction and Fact#cite note-TTM 153-8-42|[42]]]</sup> |
Expectations: | Either drop the footnote completely, or paste it in as a correct footnote pointing at this article, or paste it as unlinked text (just a superscripted number in brackets, unlinked). |
Page where the issue occurs | Any Wikipedia article |
Web browser | 54.0.2840.71 m |
Operating system | Windows 7 |
Skin | Vector |
Notes: | The main problem is that it's not instantly obvious what happened; I noticed that the cite wasn't renumbered so I took a closer look. It would be pretty easy for someone to leave these in place, and in fact I'll bet a nickel that there are already some of these in wikitext, unnoticed. |
Workaround or suggested solution | If you know it happened, there's no problem in editing them out. |
Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 16:02, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
I was trying to make a simple edit on the Viking metal article - I needed to add an archived url to fix a dead link. In the source editor, all I needed to do was scroll down and add the link. Now, the reference section in that article uses Template:Refbegin and Template:Refend, so in Visual Editor, you get this big mess of columns. It's still fairly easy to amend existing parameters, though it might take longer to find the reference in question. But I could not find how to add new parameters (in this case, Archive-url and Archive-date) to the existing reference template.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:51, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi
I'm unsure wether this is an issue with the automatic citation function or the source but when I try to create a reference automatically for http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0024/002439/243938e.pdf the tool says We couldn't make a citation for you. You can create one manually using the "Manual" tab above. Please can someone explain why this is happening and what could be done for this source to correct this issue?
Thanks
-- John Cummings ( talk) 11:29, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=The_Amazing_Race_4&action=edit my edit comment box is not appearing when I carry out the edit. I can save but not comment out what changes I made and why. The changes I made were some text change to make it more readable and take out a link selling the promotional dvd.
Neil Kindness ( talk) 06:01, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
I never tried this feature out before. Doesn't seem to work for me at all.
Here's a sample article: Bharatiya Janata Party.
I recall that edit notices used to display before. Considering that my example has an Arb notice, things can get pretty serious if this doesn't happen. Acknowledged or is it just me? Ugog Nizdast ( talk) 13:24, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Confirmed and reported — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 20:12, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | I am trying to clean up the gallery of the additional images section of the Caudate nucleus article using the visual editor; Because someone used the cleanup gallery template, and I agree with that person. |
Steps to Reproduce: | 1. click on
of the "Additional images" section.
This is reproducible. |
Results: | Slideshow is not there, instead all images are displayed small. (see this page for illustration /info/en/?search=Help:Gallery_tag) |
Expectations: | Edit the slideshow directly. This way I can view the images properly. |
Page where the issue occurs | Caudate nucleus |
Web browser | Mozilla Firefox 49.0.2 |
Operating system | Arch linux |
Skin | Vector (default) |
Notes: | |
Workaround or suggested solution |
VeniVidiVicipedia ( talk) 16:03, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
URL: /info/en/?search=Estates_of_Cura%C3%A7ao?action=edit&veswitched=1&oldid=751133083
The page title is wrong. The correct word for this is Parliament and not Estates. I changed it in the text but the title is not editable. Thanks.
AnthonyHollander ( talk) 16:13, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
URL: /info/en/?search=International_Expeditions?action=edit
JumboBull415 ( talk) 15:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
__INDEX__
and __NOINDEX__
have no effect in article space.
PrimeHunter (
talk)
17:21, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | All visible elements of the reference should be visible in popup (the popup window should match the visible content in reflist) |
Steps to Reproduce: | While editing, click on ref # 43 (Centers for Disease Control ...) in the main text in "International efforts" of One Health |
Results: | The reference is shown in detail in a small popup window, but without the included raw link |
Expectations: | All visible elements of a reference should be visible in the initial popup window (compare with the following "Edit" popup window, which
display raw links correctly). |
Page where the issue occurs | |
Web browser | Firefox 50.0 |
Operating system | Windows XP |
Skin | Vector |
Notes: | |
Workaround or suggested solution |
GermanJoe ( talk) 18:51, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
I am Unable to save my edit . PLease help
Raminder0707 ( talk) 10:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
URL: /info/en/?search=User:Gargroetzi/sandbox?veaction=edit
I am not currently able to save changes. Eep! I just finished adding to a strong draft and it's complete - but I can't save!!! I keep getting an error when trying to save. What do I do??
Gargroetzi ( talk) 03:08, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
For instance, if I see a linked text that says "Theobalds House" (which was recently moved to "De Vere Theobalds Estate", a more correct name), and I want to replace that text ("Theobalds House") with the newer name for the article, it's relatively difficult to do in the current form of the Visual Editor. Granted, it's far easier IMO to do said action in VE than it is with source editing. And it is very easy to change the article that a text links to, which I'm very grateful for. But if I want to simply replace a text with the name of the article I want the text to link to, it's very difficult from my experience in VE, unless there's just a better way to do that.
Also, you could also make it easier to modify links and text in templates and infoboxes and such, which it's very, very difficult to do so now, and is actually easier to do in source editing IMO.-- Chicowales ( talk) 21:57, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
[[
, it'll pop up the search list for links, so then you only have to type in a little bit of the name, select the item when it appears in the list, and Insert it.Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | A user was trying to remove an infobox parameter
here and
here, but the result was that some of the infobox parameters, |border= , |image_size= , |native_name= got moved to the bottom of the infobox. This tends to look like subtle vandalism, as I often see editors rearrange parameters in an effort to hide numerical vandalism, for instance.
|
Steps to Reproduce: | Open Angrej and attempt to edit the infobox. The Infobox parameters will load out of sequence with the page source. |
Results: | I was able to repeat the problem here on Chrome, so I know it's an issue with Visual Editor, not vandalism in this case. I was also able to recreate the issue here with Firefox. |
Expectations: | |
Page where the issue occurs | Angrej - I haven't checked other articles. |
Web browser | Chrome 54.0.2840.99 (64 bit) and Firefox 48.0.2 |
Operating system | Windows 10 |
Skin | |
Notes: | |
Workaround or suggested solution |
Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 19:27, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
|film name
went right down, contradicting what's at
Template:Infobox film#TemplateData. |border
and |image size
seem to be no longer used though, maybe they're the cause?
Ugog Nizdast (
talk)
19:45, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
|film_name=
to the bottom of the infobox, then in the
next edit, I activated the Visual Editor. |image_size=
and |border=
were stuffed right before |film_name=
. Then I tried
moving film_name somewhere toward the middle of the template. In the
next edit I activated Visual Editor, and |film_name=
got moved to the very bottom, along with |image_size=
and |border=
right above it. I don't know if that helps answer anything. Regards,
Cyphoidbomb (
talk)
20:12, 28 November 2016 (UTC)|film_name=
at the top of the infobox formatting, because the image and names display at the top of the infobox. If these are arbitrarily moved to the bottom, we run the risk of users adding duplicate parameters, which is just going to create more work to clean up, and may result in errors.
Cyphoidbomb (
talk)
18:15, 29 November 2016 (UTC)I am not a big user of galleries myself, but I had to edit an article today that had a gallery to add an image. I clicked on the gallery and it offered me the opportunity to add new image, I click on Add New Image, and then the usual search box appears which, after the usual pause, brings up a bunch of candidate photos. I clicked on my desired photo and then it offered me the opportunity to add a caption. Problem! I don't remember the details and there is no way it seems to get the filename or bring up the File page for the image. What seems to be missing here is the "Media settings" screen that comes up when adding an image (not in a gallery) which shows you the file name, and if you need to know more, offers a link to the description page, all of which is useful when writing a detailed caption. Why doesn't the gallery insertion provide the filename and the link to the description page so you can you can write your caption? Fortunately, I had the Commons page for the image sitting in the history in another browser tab, so I managed to find it again on Commons and get the information I needed.
Then, I noticed that the captions of some of the other photos in the gallery were also a bit light on captioning, so I wanted to improve their captions. That was more of a puzzle, as I have no clue what the file names (as they are not displayed), so my search on Commons using the obvious keywords failed to find the photos. Eventually the penny dropped that maybe the files weren't on Commons but were uploaded to Wikipedia and eventually I found the photo there. Again, when looking at an existing image in a gallery, you still need to be shown the file name and a link to the File page. Kerry ( talk) 06:43, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Steps to reproduce:
<gallery mode="packed" class="center"> File:Test.png|a File:Test.png|b </gallery>
Bug report | VisualEditor |
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Mito.money | Please app{} |
Intention: | Use the Sfn template to generate citations within a single paragraph |
Steps to Reproduce: | Open up VE, write some text, then try to insert an Sfn template
|
Results: | The template works fine, but creates a line break and sits in its own paragraph. |
Expectations: | Be able to have the sfn template show up in the same line as text. |
Page where the issue occurs | https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User%3A3family6%2FMildred_Barker&type=revision&diff=753710545&oldid=753613136 |
Web browser | Firefox 50.0.02 |
Operating system | Microsoft 10 |
Skin | Vector (I think) |
Notes: | Not a major problem, but a rather annoying one |
Workaround or suggested solution | Follow VE edit up with a wikitext edit to fix the line break issues. |
3family6 ( Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:29, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Is there any way we can make the experience of inserting a photo into an infobox more "visual"? And also support the relocating of another photo in an article into an infobox or vice versa. Right now, it's an absolute pain in VE. I don't know if we could make TemplateData smarter to flag that a parameter expects an image file name or image caption, or take a simpler solution that a parameter pair called image and caption (which seem to the "norm" in most infoboxes) are assumed to have those semantics. I realise that templates and infoboxes are painful/impossible in many ways for the VE-only user, but generally most infoboxes work sort-of OK if the VE uses provides no-markup values for the parameters, but the image parameter isn't one of them. Kerry ( talk) 04:59, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
URL: /info/en/?search=User:Jzsj/sandbox?action=edit
Jzsj ( talk) 22:25, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Is there any easy way to change the way the citation function in VE picks up dates when you're automatically adding a link? I ask because it seems to import as month-day-year automatically and it means editors sometimes have to correct additions that I've made i.e. the most recent edit made to Charlotte Kerwood ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Charlotte_Kerwood&action=history). Red Fiona ( talk) 18:52, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Citoid uses the YYYY-MM-DD date format, and this is unlikely to change. If a format is preferred for a given wiki, then I suspect that they could address that by setting a default date format for users at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering.
I wonder if it would be helpful to have the date-formatting bots add the |df=
to relevant templates as well.
Whatamidoing (WMF) (
talk)
18:05, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
After a VE edit, I sometimes see Yobot come by and make edits like this, which include in the edit summary the phrase "Removed invisible unicode characters". Is this some debris that VE is leaving behind? That perhaps it should not? Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 01:38, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Mike Christie and Whatamidoing (WMF): VE has the bad habit to allow editors to paste of any character. Pasting from other sites, Microsoft Word, etc. results in various invisible unicode characters inside the text. I use this site to check for invisible characters. It's not a big deal in most cases since the bot fixes them daily. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 15:50, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Andrewjtalcott ( talk) 03:09, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
I notice that some of the wikilinks produced by the VE are annoying the community (well, they are coming along after me and fixing things). An example from Edward Barton Southerden, an article I recently created mostly using the VE, contains:
[[Immigrant|immigrants]]
which has now been changed by another editor to
[[immigrant]]s
which is the preferred form according to WP:NOPIPE. I can't say that it bothers me, as I subscribe to the principle of "never send a human to do a machine's job", but it appears to irritate others, so maybe we should fix the machine. Kerry ( talk) 03:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)