Consensus has been assessed by Eraserhead1 ( talk · contribs). See #MediaWiki:Edittools position, #CharInsert edittools gadget defaults - on or off?, and #Edit summary label. Cunard ( talk) 21:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
This is a proposal to simplify the edit window, building on the upcoming changes to the editing interface (scheduled to go live on 1 October).
Basically our edit interface is full of stuff, stuff everywhere, lots of stuff! and is a bit of a mess. While what Oliver Keyes and his team put forward recently is certainly a start, there is no reason why we cannot effect changes directly to improve our edit interface for everyone. We simply need a consensus to do so (and okay from Legal if we decide we want to change the text in at least one of the copyright warnings, but we may not need to do that at all). -— Isarra ༆ 02:33, 17 September 2012 (UTC) reply
Basically we remove some stuff, reorder some stuff, and profit.
Simplify and merge main text
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These currently are as follows, though some above and some below the edit/preview/changes buttons:
It would probably look better were we to merge them into one block either entirely before or after the buttons, though which would be preferable? A potential rewording to do so (while retaining relevant parts of the second copyright notice supposing that is removed) could be as follows:
Although shorter ideas might be better, because, like, that's still pretty long. We could also make it all small text to make it prettier.
![]() Another possibility would be to move the line about encyclopedic content, verifiability, NPOV etc into an editnotice for the entire article namespace using MediaWiki:Editpage-head-copy-warn or MediaWiki:Editnotice-0, rather like the one that shows when editing talkpages, because while copyright violations will be deleted anywhere and we don't want people using random other pages for sandboxing either, the most trouble we have with that seems like it would be in the encyclopedia itself, so an explicit warning there might make more sense, like so or some such:
Thoughts? -— Isarra ༆ 20:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC) reply
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Done by Oliver's team -
MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyrightwarning now contains only the specific copyright information, and the disclaimers have been moved into
MediaWiki:Editpage-head-copy-warn (an editnotice). The other text has been removed. -—
Isarra
༆ 20:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
reply
Restarting this section to avoid confusion considering the recent changes to MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyrightwarning, which resulted in an editnotice appearing on every page.
As the wub pointed out, the text is largely irrelevant to other namespaces; while copyright violations will be deleted anywhere, 'encyclopedic content' refers to the encyclopedia, and the most trouble we have with any of this is in the encyclopedia. But that is only part of what the editnotice says (and will probably still say even if we change it), so the question is, do we want it to only show up when editing articles, like the talkpage notice does when editing talkpages?
This may merit updating depending on where all the editnotice is displayed. Currently it is as follows:
A proposal here was to use the following, which would make more sense if only used on articles:
Remove copyright warning from
MediaWiki:Edittools
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MediaWiki:Edittools is supposed to be for edittools, but it currently contains a second copyright warning. I would put forward that this second copyright warning should be removed, as A, that's not what the Edittools page is for, and B, it is redundant with the first copyright warning.
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Done along with the other copyright stuff.
The edittools, as edittools, should also probably be closer to the editbox itself. Ideally we could put a change into the mediawiki core to move the entire interface message up so it's between the editbox and the edit summary field or somewhere around there, but unfortunately using the message for other things (such as the second copyright notice we currently have there) is apparently pretty common and that would mess things up for any projects that have done that. Would this be feasible regardless or are there any other system messages we could use to put the charinsert edittools next to the thing (there's the edit summary label one, but that would just be weird) for people who have the gadget enabled?
Currently the character insertion tools underneath the edit window are a part of the global interface, but there has been work on turning this into a gadget so as to avoid clutter, since it is largely redundant with the character insertion tools in the enhanced editing toolbar at the top of the edit window, and in many cases folks don't need this functionality in general. The question is, do we want the bottom character insertion edittools gadget on by default, especially considering that the toolbar with which it is largely redundant is also on by default?
!important
? And why to load all the code even when it is not needed? Isn't better to have a "loader" and a "core" module (e.g. as suggested in the gadget proposal)?
Helder 22:02, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
replyCurrently the label for the edit summary is long enough that it pushes the actual inputbox for the edit summary onto a new line because it includes the explanation in it '(Briefly describe the changes you have made)'. I would like to move that explanation out of the label, so it all stays on one line, and into the tooltip for the editsummary inputbox itself such that that says 'Enter a short summary describing the changes you have made' instead of 'Enter a short summary'.
A warning; it looks like some of the changes we're making will in fact hit everyone :S. So, the moved text will be moved for all users (as will tweaks to it) - nothing else should alter unless you're on vector and have the enhanced editing toolbar on. Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 12:59, 20 September 2012 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia:Glossary/User interface may help.
I can't figure out where to put this comment, there are so many threads already on this page about the changed edit window, so I hope someone is watching. If this is in the wrong place, feel free to move it (and did this change go 'live' a little early?)
I think the "Citations" button on the 'Save page' Show Preview' 'Show changes' line seems to be mislabeled. It should say something along the lines of "Run Citations Tool" or "Run CitationsBot" or 'Fix Citations'. For it to just say the word "Citations" without implying that there is an action attached to clicking on it makes the label incomplete.
Also, I know that the Wiki-way is to cap the first word on titles and not cap the rest... How many people, do you think might click on the wrong button in that line of similarly-named & similarly-sized links (especially with the newly-added "Terms of Use" & CC-By-SA sentences)? Would it be possible to bold or even capitalize the pertinent wording especially on the first two buttons so they would perhaps read something like "SAVE page" or "Save page" and "Show PREVIEW" or "Show preview"? I am all the time telling new editors to use the Preview button, but maybe if we could make those first two buttons easier to distinguish visually, the easily-changed Preview would get used first instead of the immutable Save. Thanks,
Shearonink (
talk) 12:56, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
reply
Consensus has been assessed by Eraserhead1 ( talk · contribs). See #MediaWiki:Edittools position, #CharInsert edittools gadget defaults - on or off?, and #Edit summary label. Cunard ( talk) 21:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
This is a proposal to simplify the edit window, building on the upcoming changes to the editing interface (scheduled to go live on 1 October).
Basically our edit interface is full of stuff, stuff everywhere, lots of stuff! and is a bit of a mess. While what Oliver Keyes and his team put forward recently is certainly a start, there is no reason why we cannot effect changes directly to improve our edit interface for everyone. We simply need a consensus to do so (and okay from Legal if we decide we want to change the text in at least one of the copyright warnings, but we may not need to do that at all). -— Isarra ༆ 02:33, 17 September 2012 (UTC) reply
Basically we remove some stuff, reorder some stuff, and profit.
Simplify and merge main text
|
---|
These currently are as follows, though some above and some below the edit/preview/changes buttons:
It would probably look better were we to merge them into one block either entirely before or after the buttons, though which would be preferable? A potential rewording to do so (while retaining relevant parts of the second copyright notice supposing that is removed) could be as follows:
Although shorter ideas might be better, because, like, that's still pretty long. We could also make it all small text to make it prettier.
![]() Another possibility would be to move the line about encyclopedic content, verifiability, NPOV etc into an editnotice for the entire article namespace using MediaWiki:Editpage-head-copy-warn or MediaWiki:Editnotice-0, rather like the one that shows when editing talkpages, because while copyright violations will be deleted anywhere and we don't want people using random other pages for sandboxing either, the most trouble we have with that seems like it would be in the encyclopedia itself, so an explicit warning there might make more sense, like so or some such:
Thoughts? -— Isarra ༆ 20:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC) reply
|
Done by Oliver's team -
MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyrightwarning now contains only the specific copyright information, and the disclaimers have been moved into
MediaWiki:Editpage-head-copy-warn (an editnotice). The other text has been removed. -—
Isarra
༆ 20:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
reply
Restarting this section to avoid confusion considering the recent changes to MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyrightwarning, which resulted in an editnotice appearing on every page.
As the wub pointed out, the text is largely irrelevant to other namespaces; while copyright violations will be deleted anywhere, 'encyclopedic content' refers to the encyclopedia, and the most trouble we have with any of this is in the encyclopedia. But that is only part of what the editnotice says (and will probably still say even if we change it), so the question is, do we want it to only show up when editing articles, like the talkpage notice does when editing talkpages?
This may merit updating depending on where all the editnotice is displayed. Currently it is as follows:
A proposal here was to use the following, which would make more sense if only used on articles:
Remove copyright warning from
MediaWiki:Edittools
|
---|
MediaWiki:Edittools is supposed to be for edittools, but it currently contains a second copyright warning. I would put forward that this second copyright warning should be removed, as A, that's not what the Edittools page is for, and B, it is redundant with the first copyright warning.
|
Done along with the other copyright stuff.
The edittools, as edittools, should also probably be closer to the editbox itself. Ideally we could put a change into the mediawiki core to move the entire interface message up so it's between the editbox and the edit summary field or somewhere around there, but unfortunately using the message for other things (such as the second copyright notice we currently have there) is apparently pretty common and that would mess things up for any projects that have done that. Would this be feasible regardless or are there any other system messages we could use to put the charinsert edittools next to the thing (there's the edit summary label one, but that would just be weird) for people who have the gadget enabled?
Currently the character insertion tools underneath the edit window are a part of the global interface, but there has been work on turning this into a gadget so as to avoid clutter, since it is largely redundant with the character insertion tools in the enhanced editing toolbar at the top of the edit window, and in many cases folks don't need this functionality in general. The question is, do we want the bottom character insertion edittools gadget on by default, especially considering that the toolbar with which it is largely redundant is also on by default?
!important
? And why to load all the code even when it is not needed? Isn't better to have a "loader" and a "core" module (e.g. as suggested in the gadget proposal)?
Helder 22:02, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
replyCurrently the label for the edit summary is long enough that it pushes the actual inputbox for the edit summary onto a new line because it includes the explanation in it '(Briefly describe the changes you have made)'. I would like to move that explanation out of the label, so it all stays on one line, and into the tooltip for the editsummary inputbox itself such that that says 'Enter a short summary describing the changes you have made' instead of 'Enter a short summary'.
A warning; it looks like some of the changes we're making will in fact hit everyone :S. So, the moved text will be moved for all users (as will tweaks to it) - nothing else should alter unless you're on vector and have the enhanced editing toolbar on. Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 12:59, 20 September 2012 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia:Glossary/User interface may help.
I can't figure out where to put this comment, there are so many threads already on this page about the changed edit window, so I hope someone is watching. If this is in the wrong place, feel free to move it (and did this change go 'live' a little early?)
I think the "Citations" button on the 'Save page' Show Preview' 'Show changes' line seems to be mislabeled. It should say something along the lines of "Run Citations Tool" or "Run CitationsBot" or 'Fix Citations'. For it to just say the word "Citations" without implying that there is an action attached to clicking on it makes the label incomplete.
Also, I know that the Wiki-way is to cap the first word on titles and not cap the rest... How many people, do you think might click on the wrong button in that line of similarly-named & similarly-sized links (especially with the newly-added "Terms of Use" & CC-By-SA sentences)? Would it be possible to bold or even capitalize the pertinent wording especially on the first two buttons so they would perhaps read something like "SAVE page" or "Save page" and "Show PREVIEW" or "Show preview"? I am all the time telling new editors to use the Preview button, but maybe if we could make those first two buttons easier to distinguish visually, the easily-changed Preview would get used first instead of the immutable Save. Thanks,
Shearonink (
talk) 12:56, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
reply