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I'm tired of people posting fotos using the <div> tag. This format is extremely hostile to older browsers, and results in people who use older systems to explore wikipedia finding it unpleasant and unusable and not coming back. The <img> tag is perfectly adequate for the wikipedia and is friendly to just about every browser out there. Myself, I usually use Netscape 4.7, but I can no longer use it on graphics-containing wikipedia pages, forcing me to open Mozilla 1.6, which badly bogs down my antiquated computer and forces me to spend about three times as much time on-line to do the same thing. BTW, the Bomis Browser version I have won't handle the <div> stuff very well, either. jaknouse 18:06, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'm trying to edit this and just get a blank window, so not sure how this will post. I just uploaded:
as examples of what happens when viewing div tags on Netscape 4.7 (the page shown is Oak). In fact, the pump grafik at the top of the Village Pump page floats ON TOP of much of the text! jaknouse 01:07, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
OK, I've installed Netscape 4.7 and now I see what you mean. Yuck! Brion - one easy fix that I know of, as far as the generated HTML code, is to use the @import
statement for bringing in any CSS stuff that Netscape does not understand. NS 4.7 doesn't know about @import
, so any CSS referenced in that manner will be ignored by that browser. I'm fairly sure it applies to other versions too - haven't tried it. I don't know how it'll deal with inline CSS such as we use in our floating-image-divs; it might also be necessary to simply use a CSS class for floating divs, and define the actual CSS attributes in the @imported stylesheet:
<div class="floatleft">(...image...)</div>
and in the stylesheet, something like:
.floatleft { float: left; margin: 0 1em 1em 0; }
I wish I could give you a more specific fix; I'll play around and see if I can come up with something. -- Wapcaplet 02:26, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
To Brion or any other developer that is following the discussion: I've come up with a relatively simple fix that works for at least some of the image pages. It doesn't look great in NS4.7, but it looks way better than it did before. See User:Wapcaplet/Sandbox#Helping_out_the_broken_browsers for implementation details. -- Wapcaplet 05:02, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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Do we have a policy on including eternal links which lead to paid subscription news services such as The Times? Fore example Current_events the Feb 16th story on the break-up of the BBC. Personally, I think that it's okay to link to news sites which require a free login, such as the New York Times, but that paid subscription links are best left out (or annotated as paid so that users don't waste time/bandwidth trying to acces them). dramatic 19:27, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I use http://news.google.com/ to search for news articles to link to in the Current Events pages. All of their entries are non-subscription services, and so far I haven't had a problem finding a news article which covers the event I'm trying to include. RickK 21:24, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
We should also not give references to books or journal articles as they are cost money up front too. Let's just stick to sites supported by advertising (which we pay for in non-up-front ways) or the BBC (which I pay for out of taxes), cos they don't cost money up front. More seriously, the right thing to do from a scholastic perspective is to give the best references, wherever they may be. (Note that in theory our articles should be sufficently good that references are not needed by Joe Reader, only by more serious researchers) Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 22:12, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I don't really see what's wrong with linking to a pay-only NY Times link. It'd be okay to link to "not even online at all" sources, like, say, the NY Times paper version, or a book, or a journal. I do agree that we should prefer online and free sources if they are just as good, and just as reputable. We shouldn't link to some random local paper nobody's ever heard of as our authoritative source just because it's free. Doubly so because our content may eventually be used in a non-internet setting, in which case being able to look up the NY Times article at your local library's archives is a lot better than having a useless reference to some obscure paper. -- Delirium 12:00, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
Over at Operation Downfall, I added a section on casualities. It draws very heavily from a couple passages in John Skates' Invasion of Japan. If this were an academic paper, I'd most definitely cite it. What is the wiki policy on citations? →Raul654 19:01, Feb 12, 2004 (UTC)
Who is supposed to move approved candidates from Wikipedia:Featured pictures candidates into Wikipedia:Featured pictures ? Bevo 17:12, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Where do you find a list of the most edited articles in the wiki? Tried Specialpages and didn't see anything that yelled "most edited" at me.... :) alerante 23:01, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Some of the number pages (like five hundred) have "ordinal" and "cardinal" confused. Please fix this. Ordinal means 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.; cardinal means one, two, three (how many), etc. --Juuitchan
m:Wikimedia's first press release was written mostly in August of 2003, before $30,000 dollars were raised for new hardware. Suggestions for bringing iti up to date before it is released are solicited.
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I'm curious: Has anybody else encountered a real, mean-spirited, you-revert-me-so-I-revert-you edit war over a less likely topic than Curse of the Bambino? DavidWBrooks 15:38, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Reminiscing continues at Wikipedia talk:Edit war
Help needed with formatting math formulae.
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- - I rememember seeing something when I first came on board about the geographical site names being first done by robot, using some(?) almanac.
Discussion continues at User talk:Ram-Man
Don't know if
Lumpenproletariat should be moved to
lumpen ploletariat
Lumpen proletariat. Need help from whatever that language is (German?). Discuss at
Talk:Lumpenproletariat please. --
Maio 22:22, Feb 11, 2004 (UTC)
Lumpenproletariat has now been fixed, and yes it is correct (one Word) -- Dieter Simon 23:37, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Multilingual? Or need a foreign-language wikipedia article translated into English? Check out the newly created Wikipedia:Translation
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I was wondering is it possible to download the whole mathematics section?
See: Wikipedia:Database download. (you will download other sections but its all in a nice package) --Sennheiser ! 17:27, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I was checking how my article Sangharakshita rated on Google today and found something interesting. Most of the licenced users of Wikipedia's text rate better than Wikipedia itself.
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The article Abbey appears to have been cut off mid-sentence. I tracked this back to the 06:34, 31 Oct 2002 version (the previous version is all right). Ideally, I would have been able to view the source (including wiki formatting) of the 31.12.2002 version and copy it to the most recent revision. Is this possible? If not, I'll just copy the article as is, and reapply the formatting on my on. - Itai 01:13, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
To Whom It May Concern:
I am trying to locate sheet music for "Anatole Of Paris", which was performed by Danny Kaye, written by Sylvia Fine.
I've attempted to locate this sheet music but have had no luck, so far. I'm hoping you can help me.
Thanks for your time.
All the best,
Clive Revill email: selsrev@earthlink.net
Try this link. RickK 02:15, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Clive Revill? The actor? RickK 02:16, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I have a friend that about 25 years ago had a ring put around the lower part of her stomach to aid her in losing weight as she was very overweight. Now, many years later she is having so many health problems as now she can only drink and if she eats solid foods it will not pass and she is losing a lot of weight and also is throwing up every day. Do you have any information that might aid her as I thought at one time you had people on that had problems from this procedure. A doctor told her the ring is closing and she will have to have 99% of her stomach removed. Can you help her? She is on disability and medicare! Any information would be so greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Mari Howard
Sorry, but wasn't there just a discussion about standard formatting for dashes? I've spent 10 minutes searching for it and can't find the discussion or any text in style-guide-related topics about them. Where'd it goooooo? Elf 02:46, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Could someone delete Gujarat to move Gujarat State, India there. Also, Yellow Pig Day still needs to be deleted. -- Wik 19:24, Feb 14, 2004 (UTC)
Is there something wrong with the Thai language wikipedia I cannot reach it. Somchai ;
You might want to tell that to
Silsor.
--Ed Senft
! 03:37, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I propose that a new policy be implemented to deal with the short-term impact of edit and revert wars. The protecting pages does not seem to work as the conflict soon spreads to other pages, and we can't be protecting all the pages. I am almost inclined to support a policy whereby sysops are allowed to temp-ban participants until the Mediation/Arbitration committees are done reviewing the issue....
Discussion continues at Wikipedia talk:Edit war
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I added replies to the replies. See that page. Laudaka 07:12, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC) (Paul/laudaka)
Not really sure whether this is the place to ask but: Would it possible to set the wikibot (or whatever it is) to change "located in" to "in" where that phrase this occurs in geographical articles? If something is "in" X county etc, it has to be located there and the "located" is completely redundant. Jacquerie27 22:18, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I was just wondering, is there any way to make large black bolded text, like is seen on page sub-divisions without using the ==Bolded Text== thing. And I dont mean like This I mean really big G-Man 16:24, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'm sure I've seen it used somewhere else, (might be wrong) and I was just wondering how it was done G-Man 16:54, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
using CSS
maybe… (<p style="font-size: 120%; font-weight: bold;">) Just don't use a <h2> just to get "big text". Jo r 17:07, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)<h1 align=center>It Cannot be Done</h1>
Sorry the newbie question. I understand that i should cite my sources if i write long sections about complex topics. But what if these sources are in German, not English? Of course i tend to read books in my native language if i can get decent ones on a topic, and not all of them are availiable as english translations. Cite anyway? With a warning that it's not in english? Lady Tenar 00:32, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Will the Wikipedia full-text search feature be re-enabled, now that the new servers are being installed? Google is amazing, but it's not as good as the full-text search feature was. Dpbsmith 23:15, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I have reverted Cleanup about 5 hours worth, maybe a dozen edits. Those who can read the history will understand why. I have to go off-line for about 6 hours, starting now. Only one person should take over from me in restoring the lost edits; and no one with any doubt as to whether they understand the process should try. Sys-op status (even tho i lack it) would be a good criterion.
(Leave a note here if you're going to undertake it. Also check with User:MyRedDice to be sure he hasn't started, or gotten someone else onto it. And probably modify my *two* copies of modified "in use" boiler plate, to mention your name and help ensure only one person working on the repair.)
It *can* be left until i can finish it if necessary, but the sooner the better, IMO. -- Jerzy 23:43, 2004 Feb 15 (UTC)
Timwi and I are having a discussion on the best thumbnail size for pictures. We cannot agree so please put your opinions here. The discussion so far is at User talk:Timwi. To help your thoughts I have put one pic on Wing to 180px wide and one to 250px wide.
My argument is that 250px is best, as a compromise, so that clicking on a larger version (if any) would be rarely necessary and page loading time would still be reasonable. (I used to say 300px but, for some reason I don?t understand, that does look too large with the new image code).
Timwi?s argument is for a roughly 180px thumb. He says that you can see just as much detail on that size as on a 250px one and that 250px looks bad on a 640 by 480 screen because it occupies half the screen width.
(Timwi, if I haven?t put your argument properly please add to it here).
Your opinions, please.
Adrian Pingstone 17:30, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I've been putting a lot of images up lately, so I think I can speak with some authority on the situation. And the answer is - it depends. My advice is to use the preview button to see what looks best. I usually go between 200 and 300, but there are sometimes where you have to go with something different. University of Delaware, for instance, was a tricky one. →Raul654 18:00, Feb 15, 2004 (UTC)
Just to add another point of reference: I personally try to aim for the 200-250px range, though it depends on image orientation (a portrait aspect-ratio image can be narrower, while a landscape one should be wider). In my guesstimation that gives a good compromise between size and various screen resolutions (250px is around 25% of a 1024x768 monitor, but still only 39% of a 640x480 monitor). -- Delirium 06:25, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)
The new server configuration with caches doesn't seem to work well with my Netscape 7.x browser -- I get the actual version of pages like Village Pump only if I explicitly de-cache reload them (Shift-Reload), not with a normal clicking on a link or on the reload button. That's not nice behavior and can lead to misunderstandings (e.g. seemingly missing answers or edits). -- till we *) 23:53, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
We're sending headers that tell both other caches and browsers to check back for updates on every request. Cache administrators of downstream caches can however configure their caches to ignore some of these headers (especially Vary and Cache-Control) in order to get a higher 'hit ratio'. This violates the http standard, so it should be a reason to complain to your cache administrator, if you know who it is. The other reason i could think of would be a browser that's explicitly configured to check for updates only once per session. With Mozilla, you can check this (iirc) at Edit - Preferences - Advanced - Cache settings. -- Gabriel Wicke 18:06, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hi my name is Tonya my email address is atlmker2442@wmconnect.com
I was trying to find information on homelessness in Monroe County, NY I was thinking about doing a speech for college on this issue in my county. But I not sure where to look. If you could help me out that would be great or even if you could point me in the right direction.
Thank you Tonya
Good luck, Kingturtle 06:13, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Why is Wikepedia not accessible from the Safari Browser? It's not a big deal, but am just curious.
I'm surprised by how many Safaris are around... Sorry for the trouble! -- Gabriel Wicke 02:03, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I use Safari 1.0 (the last version to be compatible with OS X 10.2... haven't upgraded yet), and have never had any problems. Garrett Albright 04:37, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Sometime this afternoon, I was no longer able to access Wikipedia using Safari. It says that my User-Agent is being blocked, but I'm not using any of the UserAgents listed (which seem to mostly be e-mail harvesters, site harvesters and their ilk). I have the Debug menu turned on in Safari and it's emulating Mozilla right now as a temporary measure, but someone needs to fix this.
RadicalBender 21:54, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The msg:NPOV tag needs to be added to Atlantium. "If a Wikipedia:administrator must protect a page for neutrality protection, this label should always be added." ( Wikipedia:NPOV Dispute) Anthony DiPierro 19:15, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Is there any Overseas Branch of African Development Bank at 1 Canada Square, Canary Wharf London E14
Thank you
Saibal Chatterjee
saibalda@yahoo.com
A discusssion to replace the Main Page with Main Page/Test and Wikipedia:Main Page is currently going on at those two pages' talk pages. The current concensus is to make the change. Gentgeen 17:43, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
User:Optim introduced a rule in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not stating "Wikipedia is not a national encyclopedia focusing only on one specific culture or country. Therefore Wikipedia is neither an American, European, Asian or African encyclopedia. Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia written in the English language. Wikipedia does not focus on American English. Therefore the British English can be used everywhere and should not be limited for articles relevant to the British culture; the same applies to other popular kinds of English, too." Please post your comments on Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not and feel free to improve the wording. DO NOT REPLY HERE. If you do so, your comments will be moved to [[ Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not page by User:Optim. - Optim 21:30, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
FWIW, I really really dislike interwiki redirects, and get rid of them whenever I have the chance. First of all, I dislike the idea of Wikipedia articles redirecting anywhere other than other Wikipedia articles, and secondly they're a pain because you can only edit them with manual URL editing. -- Delirium 06:45, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)
you want http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Metanoia&redirect=no
Bad title
From Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
The requested page title was invalid, empty, or an incorrectly linked inter-language or inter-wiki title.
Some one create an article on Metanoia, I moved the content to Wikitionary, tried to do a redirect with "wikitionary:" as the language, it didn't work... is there anyway to redirect to other Wikimedia projects? -- user:zanimum
Today, someone had initiated a series of articles with titles like Mother Earth (Asimov) for short stories by the author whose last name is Asimov. Isn't there a better way to title that sort of Wikipedia article? Bevo 22:03, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Summary: Proposal to have separate databases for userpages, talkpages and articles. See User:Optim/Userpages. DO NOT REPLY HERE. Failure to do this will result in your comments being moved to User:Optim/Userpages by User:Optim. Optim 03:53, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I was trying to edit Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration, and every time I clicked on the "edit" link, it gave me the wrong section to edit. I had to edit the entire page. RickK 02:06, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I've moved this comment into the section it was replying to above - IMSoP 01:26, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Does the spelling of existing topic names can be changed? I.e. the title of the page [TCP] protocol is written in capital letters, but when I wanted to add an entry about the [SOCKS] protocol, there was already a page with only a redirect to [sock].
This may be one of those cases where I have failed ever to observe a mechanism that is well known to other wikipedians, so I am here for advice. Back on 1 Dec 2003 I added an accuracy dispute notice to Uqbar, and spelled out my concerns, as well as what I could ascertain, on its talk page. Knowing that this was an obscure article, and I might not get any responses, I looked at Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute, hoping to find advice on how to move this forward. I found nothing relevant in terms of how to proceed. I asked about this on Wikipedia talk:Accuracy dispute: no one responded. I suspect I am overdoing this by bringing this to the Village Pump, but I really don't know where else I should be turning. Can anyone advise? -- Jmabel 00:15, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
User:Optim introduced a new rule in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not seeking to protect and emphasise the international spirit of our project. See [[ Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not. Optim 02:29, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Calling poets, songwriters or anyone with the ability to rhyme (that counts me out). A small request... I've translated the literal meaning of four lines of a lullaby into English, but would love to have a natural/idiomatic version for the article as well. You can see it, and suggest a loosely translated but nicer version here: Talk:P'ti quinquin. Thanks! fabiform | talk 21:20, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
In your report you state that the Bathyscaphe Trieste reached the bottom of Challenger Deep. If this is indeed the case and all that was found where sole,shrimp and carp. Then what where the demensions at the bottom. Was there a shelf of any sort. Where there any tunnels or shafts? Was the entire bottom covered in a silt? Any rocks or other such matter?
I would appreciate if you or a representative would write back to me at b_m_hacking@hotmail.com
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How do I insert a table of contents similar to that on this page? There are a couple of articles that I am thinking of adding it onto. Arno 06:25, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
As per the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, I have started Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Plautus satire in an (emergency) attempt to gauge community opinion on the problem. Comments there are very much appreciated. →Raul654 05:05, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
This is more of an announcement than a query, but there's a new page up at Wikipedia:New user log. It's a place where new users can introduce themselves. It seems to be in active use now, so if you're interested, check it out periodically. Also, encourage new people to sign in if they haven't yet. Oh, and I would welcome any further ideas on how to welcome and integrate new people. Isomorphic 04:54, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Dear Sir:
I would like to suggest a website to submit to your denomination directory:
Canadian Evangelical Christian Churches
Website: www.cecconline.com
Email: cecc@rogers.com
Thank you for your consideration.
Yours truly,
Dr. David Lavigne, President
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Apart from the current confusion over what to call them, there is something I've always wondered about sysops/admins - what if you aren't one, but want to use a facility that only they have access to? What I mean is, is there a page somewhere where I can say "Excuse me, can an admin do X for me please." - and if not, should there be?
I've come up against this twice lately: firstly I spotted a cut & paste move on Miguel Induráin - no big deal, but I understand admins can merge the Page Histories when this happens; and secondly, I spotted a nonsense edit of Talk:Simon_Grabowski in Recent Changes - again, no biggy, and it looks like someone else spotted and deleted it, anyway, but what if they hadn't? Hunting around, I came across the contraversial Wikipedia:Deleted test, which would probably have done for the second case, but what to do about the first?
I suggest making a page where reasonably experienced users who aren't admins could post comments, which admins would have on their watchlists and work their way through periodically. Most things could just be done and unlisted, anything non-trivial/contraversial could be sent somewhere else - either way, the admin could put a message on the requesters User_talk: page saying what they did. I hope I'm not opening a can of worms here, but I think this would be rather useful. - IMSoP 20:01, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'd support a Wikipedia:Request for sysop attention page. Would make a good pointer page to all the other ones we have out there, like votes for deletion, redirects for deletion, etc. Anthony DiPierro 20:37, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Another technique- you can usually find a random sysop or three hanging out in the IRC chat (#wikipedia on irc.freenode.net).
Spanish Wikipedia has just modified its "minor change" marker (in Recent Changes and elsewhere) from an uppercase M to a lowercase m. The consensus view is that it's easier on the eyes, less likely to get confused with the "new" marker N, etc. Would English Wikipedia benefit from such a change, or are we too set in our ways? – Hajor 18:16, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Three in favour and one more general expression of interest in fiddling with the flags. (A more conspicuous option for N – how about N?) Does anyone with protected page access feel like playing about with MediaWiki:Minoreditletter or MediaWiki:Newpageletter? – Hajor 17:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hi Trekkies and other folks enjoying Star Trek! I'm looking for a say 1 screen transcript of Klingon. From a series or movie of Star Trek. (A part of one of the books in Klingon seems less nice to me.)
It is for an article I'm editing about a special phenomenon that occurs only rarely in languages. Klingon has been made up using this phenomenon because it makes Klingon sound counterintuitive and weird. (Actually a sentence like "Ba'thar destroyed the ship with a photon torpedo" in Klingon becomes "The ship destroyed Ba'thar with a photon torpedo".)
To make the article (actually Object Verb Subject) more lively and to illustrate why this phenomenon is so rare it would be very nice to translate a fairly large piece of Klingon back to English but keeping the higly unusual word order of Klingon.
Where can I find such a transcript, preferably with extended translation annotations? I'm thinking of having a look at the Star Trek WikiWiki, but I really haven't a clue where to look else for this. BTW (by the way) if someone wants to make such a quasi-translation himself I'd really welcome that as I'm absolutely not familiar in Klingon and I have a hard time writing new text. Editing and copyediting text is much easier for me, so I can help extensively with such a translation.
I think it's nicest to use some Klingon text that people might have seen already on tv or could rent a video of (then the movies would be best). In this way I think it's also appealing for people that are not die-hard Trekkers but interested in language, or are just curious. (And reading Wikipedia for it's entertainment value, like I do File:Tongue.gif.) Paul/laudaka (add me to your Y!M/AIM/etc. list if you like!) | Talk 16:41, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
sir i m third year student of B.Tech (chem. engg.)studing in LIT, Nagpur. i have got 76% in 5th sem & my overall avarage is 70%. i want to do industrial training in your company please give me a chance to get training in your company RAHUL P. GAWANDE rahul_elite2000@yahoo.com
Hi -- does anybody know if there is a way to access the Wikipedia from a mobile phone (cell phone)? This would entail a XHTML Mobile Profile or WML (WAP) version of the Wikipedia that could be accessed on pretty much any modern mobile phone. This would make a fantastic handheld access channel to the Wikipedia, with you at all times. -Ronan
A new xhtml skin that displays well on mobiles is underway, modeled after the Plone xhtml skin. A quick mockup is available at http://wp.aulinx.de/, more information at meta:Skins Have you tried the current skin btw? Shouldn't be too bad really as it's tableless as well. -- Gabriel Wicke 11:32, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Has there recently been any change in the automatic article count algorithm? Andres 08:49, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Would anybody be interested in the various WikiProjects choosing something to be their representative article? The one that includes everything an ideal article should, and is written well, etc. Perhaps to be a running list at Wikipedia:Featured articles (i.e. every WikiProject that has reached such a stage has the article listed at the top, with more added as the newer projects develop). Please respond at Wikipedia talk:Featured articles. Tuf-Kat 07:00, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
I am a Canadian and i am wondering if it is possible to join your countries army..I need the requirements and if it is possible adn what i ahve to do to get adn and does the srmy sponsor me through employment to get it the army
Sir,
We are students from a local high school working on the creation of a website.
We are in need of information on HTML entities.
The msg:NPOV tag needs to be added to Atlantium. --> done
This is probably not a useful place to do this, but I would like to urge, encourage, and beg people to use the summary line when you edit articles. Just a brief indication of the changes made, or "see talk page" if the changes can't be described briefly. Even -- especially -- if you're just fixing spelling or punctuation or wikifying something. -- Charles A. L. 18:16, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
I stumbled on to this new (?) feature by accident. Since when did self-links become highlighted non-links? This would certainly make the job of creating lateral links (e.g. to other countries on a country's page) easier. -- seav 15:38, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
Following a discussion on the mailing list, I knocked up Wikipedia:Trust network to see if the "web of trust" concept has a chance of working. Comments welcome. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 14:55, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
On the light side, I've started a playground equipment project--small project probably but photos would be good and existing entries (not enough of them) need excavating, reorganizing, expanding--see discussion at the project. Everyone's welcome to play. Elf 14:10, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Some style guides dictate that initials in people's names, or companies named after them, should be written with spaces after the periods and a space between the initials and the name, ie W. E. B. Du Bois. Others dictate against putting spaces between the initials, only a space between the initials and the name, ie W.E.B. Du Bois. Modern typographical practice in book and newspaper publishing leans towards the latter. (Currently, Wikipedia has a mixture of both.)
Please cast your vote: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions
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My auto-log in no longer works, not a serious problem; but when I do log in and then return to the Main Page I find I am logged out again. ping 07:27, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requested pictures: Looks like there are tons of fulfilled requests still hangin'. If you made requests, please check 'em to be sure you got what you want & remove request. (Snoyes, there's still no photo for Crushing by elephant ;-) ) Elf 05:11, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Having just used the argument on VfD that, if a film exists in IMDB [1], it's legit and therefore subject to Wiki having an article about it (specifically in reference to porn entries but I see that someon else used the same argument in reference to an obscure individual), I do wonder, philosophically, whether Wiki really intends to reinvent every encyclopedic database that already exists--such as IMDB, which has been around for quite a long time and is quite exhaustive in its film-related data. Thoughts? Has this already been discussed somewhere? Elf 02:53, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
IMDb is only as good as what its users put on it. Although that may be said about Wikipedia, there really isn't any reason why our information isn't different from theirs. RickK 03:08, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
IMDb is not a free project. I think it is the case that Amazon is now the owner of a whole load of work submitted back when the db appeared to be free like WP is actually free. 217.159.40.50 10:08, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I replaced
File:Barnstar.gif with
, an updated and better-looking one. If it's not transparent it's because your web browser is broken and not standards compliant.
silsor 00:39, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
I tried to rollback American Federation of Labor to a previous version, but no matter how many times I clicked the rollback link, the change never showed up on the history. I then went to the version in the history prior to the vandalism and tried to save that, and even put a comment saying what I was doing. It LOOKED as if my edit took, but the history still showed that nothing happened, and my comment and change never showed up on Recent Changes. I had to go into the version prior to the vandalism, actually make an edit to the page (not just save it without an edit), then save THAT, before I finally got the page back in place. RickK 00:08, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Why I cannot directly access Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects by IP? Ric 23:54, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The page History of Palestine has been subjected to an edit war. I added material from Benny Morris's book Israel's Border Wars 1949-1956. Zero0000 deleted the material. An edit war ensued. I called upon Zero000 to join us in discussion at the [3] rather than continue the edit war. Instead, Zero0000, contacted Viajero. Viajero, editted the page, deleted, Benny Morris's statements and then protected the page. SO, the question is is it wikipedia policy to participates in Edit war and protects page
Please note that Zero0000 and Viajero have been tag-team deleting/reverting material as one can see from this quote from Zero0000 user page
Stevertigo cautioned both of these two wikipedians: Zero0000 and Viajero regarding the tag-team deletions/reversions.
So what is the policy regarding these issues? OneVoice 23:42, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I have added a section to Wikipedia:Manual of Style on when to use em and en dashes and what markup to use. I believe that this reflects correct typography. Previous discussion didn't appear to completely resolve the discussion, so I attempted to wrap it up with this entry. Please comment on its talk page rather than here.
Likewise I left only the discussion on dashes in bio dates in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (biographies) and I'm almost certain that that didn't end up with resolution because it diverged into talk about ems and ens in general. Would be nice to continue relevant (bio) discussion there and then adjust its meta page to reflect what we want people to do. Elf 21:57, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Since I've started using Wikipedia, I've had a problem with my edit window in that it changes its dimensions so that I can't see the right-hand edge with the scroll bar. If I only make an erasure, this doesn't happen, and the entire window remains visible onscreen. There are about 16 characters off the screen that I can't see, editting is a little tricky. I've adjusted my browser font size but that didn't have any effect. I use both Win2K and WinXP, and it occurs in both. Is this normal? -- TimothyPilgrim 17:52, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
IIRC it was once said that when an IP is blocked a registered user using the same IP can still log in. However this weekend I got an email that someone was locked out due to a previous IP block of a vandal - sadly I didn't check my email then so I could not unblock him quickly. Anonymous IP blocking shouldn't affect logged in users - as if a vandal uses a username that one can be blocked as well. So, do I remember that function wrongly, or did it change its working in the meantime? If my memory fails, then take this as a feature request :-) andy
I'm playing with a new Main Page layout at Main Page/Test. I would like to invite feedback on the talk page. Please do not make any major changes to this experimental layout without prior discussion.
The idea is to split away the community stuff from the encyclopedia content (to a separate Wikipedia:Main Page, to be created), and to have more information about the dynamically changed links (to make the Main Page more exciting and fun to read).
Note that I have only tested this in Moz so far so if anything looks broken in another browser, it probably is. —Eloquence 05:51, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
The article Aegyptus says: "In Greek mythology, Aegyptus, or Aigýptos ("supine goat") was the king of Egypt (which took its name from him)"
But the article List of country name etymologies says: "Egypt: "temple of the soul of Ptah"
Encyclopaedias should not give flatly contradictory statements about matters of fact. Does anyone care to arbitrate this question? Adam 01:44, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I don't see it as contradictory. The once source says that that's the case according to Greek mythology, that doesn't mean it's necessarily true. RickK 04:47, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Agreed. What's contradictory about it? -- Wapcaplet 22:38, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I've already risen this question at the talk page: Talk:List of country name etymologies#Coherence with the main articles. No reaction so far. The article gave me an impression of low credibility: kind of "housewife etymology". Mikkalai 23:22, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
There's an article (namely Scheme (mathematics), but that's unimportant) that I'd like to rewrite from scratch because I think I can do a better job than the present version. However, producing the new version is likely to take me a number of days, perhaps weeks. Is there some way to keep both versions easily accessible, so that people can view the old version (or choose to view the new one) while the new one is still work in progress?
I was thinking of creating the new version under a different name (something like "Scheme (mathematics) (rewrite)"), linking the new version near the top of the old version during the transition period, and, when the new version is finished, renaming both the old and new versions. Is this an acceptable policy? If not, how should I proceed?
I think this question should be mentioned somewhere in the FAQs (even if it's not actually frequently asked...), because I'm sure I'm not the only one to think "I can do better than this article", but not dare to undertake a major rewrite because having to do it all in a single edit is too hard. Any thoughts?
-- Gro-Tsen 01:05, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
discussion at --> Wikipedia:Village pump/February 2004 archive 2
There's a dispute going on about how to format the footers that we are currently adding to pages such as those of countries. The dispute is between these two formats:
Where would a vote on a matter like this preferably take place? Thanks -- Timwi 22:49, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The Han character on the logo means 'ancestor'. It is very distracting. We should change it to something more appropriate. -- Kaihsu 20:37, 2004 Feb 15 (UTC)
At the time, Nohat admitted that he couldn't read Chinese character, so he chose one randomly, hoping it wouldn't be something unpleasant. -- Menchi 01:04, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
--> Wikipedia talk:Extended image syntax
Is it possible to add New pages to a watchlist? Bevo 16:51, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I am trying to add this link to Hank Williams III and it doesn't want to work right. It makes my tooth hurt when it links to a Ja Rule article ;( Sam Spade 12:59, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
spawned from above thread: The FOLDOC articles are more of a challenge [with regards GFDL], though. Martin 21:42, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Martin has pointed out that material licenced under the GNU FDL requires a statement on the "Title Page", raising issues on how to present content imported from Nupedia.
continued at Wikipedia talk:Nupedia and Wikipedia
What's the policy regarding "see also" or "related topics" links in articles? Some of them have literally dozens of links, some that seem only marginally related. For example, the article Homosexuality includes no less than 84 links to "related articles," including to frottage, oral sex and mutual masturbation, and that's in addition to the external links. Exploding Boy 00:29, Feb 15, 2004 (UTC)
discussion at --> Wikipedia talk:Boilerplate text
--> Wikipedia:Village pump/February 2004 archive 2
I seem to be the subject of attacks by User:wik. He seems to be under the misconception that I am another Wikipedian and he vandalises my user page. I was under the impression that wik was under a ban, so I readded user:Jiang's link to the ban page of wik. I can usually stay away from these sort of detrimental activities on Wikipedia, but I seem to have been targetted. I think that this issue needs to be resolved immediately. user:Muriel Gottrop said two wrongs don't make a right in the edit summary on my userpage, but I wasn't aware that I did anything wrong. Thanks! --Ed Senft ! 17:19, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I looked at Carinatae which still claims that the turkey has no carina. The last edit was on 8 Sep 2002 when I asked about it on the talk page. No one's answered. Does anyone know some examples of non-ratite birds which really have no carina? - phma 16:17, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Misinformation and rumors about the September 11, 2001 attacks seems to be protected. Who did it and why? Arno 07:07, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
--> Wikipedia talk:Page history
Since policy decisions are all amok right now, I'd like clarification - I'm not sure if this is the place to talk about this though. User:Plautus satire needs to be banned. In the ~10 hours he's been here, he's made 3 good edits (his first 3), lots of bad ones, lots of reverts, started 3 edit wars, and gotten 3 out of the 4 pages he's "contributed" to protected. I would do it myself, but I'm involved in the conflicts. →Raul654 23:46, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)
What is the relation between PG & WB (and other e-text projects)? (mutual copying, referncing, cooperation, etc.) BTW, it would be useful for the latter list to mention something about "access rules" for each listed digital library: using, copying, licensing. Mikkalai 23:37, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I wanted information about a pediatric nurse. I 'm going to a health career school but I'm not sure what a pediatric nurse does I want to do something that has to do with taking care of infants and toddlers in the hospitol's Could you please send me information on what type of nurse that it?
As we all know:
"Images uploaded between January 24 and January 28 are currently not available due to a hardware problem with one of the web servers. We should have the files recovered sooner or later, but feel free to re-upload anything you uploaded in that period to restore it immediately."
When will this problem be over? --
user:zanimum
Afaik the server's hd is pretty broken, but should be physically accessible soon (Jason plans to get the old servers today). Attempts to recover the data should be much easier with physical access. -- Gabriel Wicke 23:58, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Does anybody know of an attempt to "map" the Wikipedia similar to say:
http://research.lumeta.com/ches/map/
the Internet mapping project?
Is there a reason why links to Media:Nosuchmedium don't appear red? See User:TUF-KAT/Samples of music from the United States -- not all of those clips have been uploaded yet, and I have no way of knowing whether or not the links are working. I've had to change a few in between when I made the list and the clips got uploaded (the program I used to convert from mp3 to ogg and select a clip couldn't handle accents in titles, for example), but I may have missed some and have no way to tell without clicking on each link. Tuf-Kat 05:23, Feb 11, 2004 (UTC)
We had a vandalbot attack today on meta. No big deal, just a couple of minutes worth of cleanup. But I wanted to make sure people know what to do when this happens. So I created a meta page on the subject, m:Vandalbot. -- Tim Starling 00:12, Feb 11, 2004 (UTC)
I erroneously moved Talk:World War II atrocities to World War II atrocities in Poland. Sorry for screwing up.
The folloiwng should be undone by an admin: Talk:World War II atrocities must be restored, and World War II atrocities in Poland/ Talk:World War II atrocities in Poland deleted.
BTW, could it be a good idea to forbid such kind of page move? Mikkalai 21:17, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'd be grateful for advice on an issue regarding place naming conventions in Kosovo (i.e. whether we follow international practice or one or the other practices of the rival national communities, which present POV problems). I've posted an appeal for advice on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (places)#Disputed place names - advice needed about a week ago but haven't had any responses yet. If anyone could offer some assistance, it would be much appreciated. -- ChrisO 10:49, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
For anyone who may care, because I know this was a controversial project when we first launched a month ago, we now have an attempted template for writing about ethnic groups, nations (in the sense of peoples, not states), tribes, etc. It's further discussed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic Groups, which also points to 5 examples of applying the template. Some of the articles that we've tried reworking this way were not so great to begin with, and of course applying a template doesn't solve all of their problems, but I, for one, think it is an improvement in every case. Comments eagerly solicited; my current plan is to until 15 Feb 04 for comments, then (barring unforeseen serious objections) supersede the 5 articles currently in the wikipedia (nothing significant is dropped, just added), and take the notice off of the template that warns that it is "only a draft." -- Jmabel 02:27, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I am a contributor on Wikinfo. Some Wikipedia users have been coming over to Wikinfo and inadvertantly creating user pages.
It seems that there is a misunderstanding and that some Wikipedia users think that Wikinfo has "stolen" all of the Wikipedia user pages for some nefarious reason.
This is not true. Wikinfo has an automatic import feature. If you go look for your Wikipedia user page and that user page does not exist on Wikinfo then Wikinfo takes advantage of Wikipedia's XML export feature and presents that page to you and asks you if you want to save it to the Wikinfo database. You can say no.
Wikinfo ONLY IMPORTS WHAT WIKIPEDIA WILLINGLY EXPORTS UNDER GFDL. Wikipedia exports user pages under GFDL via XML. Normally nobody at Wikinfo really has a need to steal any user pages.
I am only a contributor, and don't speak for Wikinfo. But it is somewhat irritating to see people suddenly appear, import their Wikipedia user page, and then call us thieves for stealing them. LOL. Thank you for listening. 24.144.15.243 04:12, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
See Wikipedia_talk:Votes for deletion#VOTE:_NEW_LAYOUT_FOR_VFD!
Though I am sure I will speak in a deep void, I will just state that it is utterly ridiculous to remove recipees from encyclopedia; And it is not because there is a book somewhere to hold these recipees, that they should disappear from here. You people probably only eat plastic steaks and aspartam coca cola if you are able to realise that food in part of culture in some countries, and that understanding how people eat, how they prepare food, what they eat is cultural, not just a plain stupid recipee to hide in a book. Do not expect to ever understand some cultures, such as the french one in doing so.
Anthère0 11:38, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The wikipedian with the most aggressive appearance decides.
--
Ruhrjung 11:48, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I don't think we're advocating removing articles on food, just recipes. For example, turkey (food) used to be a recipe for cooking turkey, but it has now been turned into a very encyclopedic non-recipe article. Explaining food, its uses, its cultural connotations, etc., is encyclopedic, but things like "2 cups sugar; bake in the oven at 350 degrees for 18-22 minutes" aren't. -- Delirium 12:25, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)
A recipee is
And the recipe portion shouldn't have been deleted because it was a single example of a recipe for that food dish, not a cookbook full of them. The encyclopedia should have comprehensive coverage of food styles around the world, including a selection of recipes to illustrate them. That's in part because they vary depending on the local climate and agriculture, as well as the general culture. Those examples and styles should should link to the cookbook for a more comprehensive selection of recipes and the cookbook itself should have the exhausitve selection of recipes. At the moment, those creating the new cookbook have been too enthusiastic in deleting recipe examples, without due regard to what the encyclopedia needs for it's coverage.
Jamesday
Food articles should have something like "please see wikibook link here for a list or recipes involving this food" That way we keep it in the family and keep the article traditionally enclopedic theresa knott 12:41, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hi all,
Jimbo is coming June-July to Europe. We are already organising Meetings in Berlin, Munich, Genoa and Paris.
But no one stood up yet for London or somewhere in the UK. I think it would be nice to meet there as well.
Please add your Ideas at Wikipedia:Meetup
Thanks :-) Fantasy 19:15, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Discussion about whether recipes belong in Wikipedia. (Moved to List_of_recipes/delete as per Gentgeen's suggestion)
It would be really nice to have a better way of inputing and editing phonetic notation. I've worked out a little example, whose conventions are loosely based on Tipa, a phonetics package for LaTeX:
Example sentence: "Dubbs asked his brother what it was like in the other world, and his brother said it was not unlike Cleveland."
Editing form of phonetic transcription: <ipa> [d2bz #askt hIz br2Dr#& w2t It w2z layk In Di 2Dr#& wr#&ld n#&d Iz br2Dr#& sEd It w2z nat @nlayk klivln#&d]</ipa>
Display form: [dʌbz æskt hɪz brʌðr̩ wʌt ɪt wʌz layk ɪn ði ʌðr̩ wr̩ld n̩d ɪz brʌðr̩ sɛd ɪt wʌz nat ənlayk klivln̩d]
(Character 809 is supposed to be a non-spacing diacritic, but my browser gets it wrong.)
GregLee 13:03, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I wonder if anyone can tell me the significance of the toucan as sybolism, as well as the baby Buddha, rear-end raised in the air wearing glasses.
Thank you for your help.
Sincerely,
Eleanor Mason
You may contact me at
nornorny123@aol.com
May I draw your attention to my website, http://www.onetel.net.uk/~jnjones You will find there a full length book about bisexuality, COMING CLEAN ABOUT BISEXUALITY: A MALE PERSPECTIVE which I believe to be important. This can be downloaded without charge. Also you will find a brief document (also freely downloadable) relating to things needing to be done if the planet is to be sustainable. Sincerely, John Garrett Jones
Baggage Handling Systems for
cruise Terminal
Trees would be nice, too. Here's an example, using an indentation convention that I find very convenient:
Editing form
<tree>
S NP Det - the N N N - science N N - book -s PP P - on NP Det - the N - table VP V V - fell Adv A - sudden -ly PP P - to NP Det - the N - floor
</tree>
Display form (ascii)
S ______________|_______________ | | NP VP _____|______ ______|______ | | | | Det N V PP | ______|______ ___|____ ___|____ the | | | | | | N PP V Adv P NP ___|____ ___|____ | __|__ | ___|___ | | | | fell | | to | | N N P NP A -ly Det N | _|__ | ___|___ | | | science | | on | | sudden the floor N -s Det N | | | book the table
Display form (Unicode box drawing characters)
S ┌─────────────┴──────────────┐ │ │ NP VP ┌────┴─────┐ ┌─────┴─────┐ │ │ │ │ Det N V PP │ ┌─────┴─────┐ ┌──┴───┐ ┌──┴───┐ the │ │ │ │ │ │ N PP V Adv P NP ┌──┴───┐ ┌──┴───┐ │ ┌─┴─┐ │ ┌──┴──┐ │ │ │ │ fell │ │ to │ │ N N P NP A -ly Det N │ ┌┴─┐ │ ┌──┴──┐ │ │ │ science │ │ on │ │ sudden the floor N -s Det N │ │ │ book the table
GregLee 13:56, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Whoops. I should have put this in the feature request area. Sorry. GregLee 15:03, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
i want you to send the names of god fathers of philosophy and six defination of philosophy with the author of them.send reply to this mail address :-innocential2002@yahoo.com.
does the famicom games play on an american super NES?
does the famicom games play on an american super NES?
Yes, but the Famicom cartridges have a differant form factor, so it requires a adapter, I believe Honeywell made one. Thunderbolt16
Q. Michael Landon............ TV star When he was dying he had a particular sound track or music album that he had playing all the time until he actually passed away. Do you know what that music was? I would appreciate an answer please. - Gordon Screen from Australia
Please take this to Wikipedia:Reference Desk
According to Wikipedia:How-to:
Both were written before Wikibooks: was created for "developing and disseminating free, open content textbooks and other classroom texts". Not a few of the how-to previously included in Wikipedia have been moved there.
The current situation is less than satisfactory, teachers look at our main page and Wikipedia:How-to and suggest to their students to write how-tos for a task, deletionists use a "how-to" argument for anything that has "How-to" in the title.
Should we continue to have how-tos in Wikipedia or not? Should any type of procedural description be excluded? Is it just classroom-projects and IKEA-how-tos that shouldn't be included? -- User:Docu
A solution for recipes appears to be that they are to be included (see also Talk:List_of_recipes/Delete, not necessarily with all steps, quantities and variations though). If we leave out the procedural part, they might as well end up in Wiktionary.
In another field, Algorithms on Wikipedia are described in pseudocode to allow to understand how they work. The Meta:reading level of most of us seems to need that "instructional part". -- User:Docu
Question: What happens when a page which is actively discussed as potentially inappropriate for Wikipedia, regularly on VfD or argued heatedly about on its talk page, and so on -- what happens when such a page is about a particular person or group, and that person or group contacts WP to ask that the page be removed? Does this carry weight in the VfD and similar discussions? Is there a procedure for formally and politely getting a page about one's own life or affairs removed? Of course nothing can be done about mirrors or copies of the 'pedia elsewhere, but is there a way of asking (and receiving permission for) future versions of WP to leave out such a targetted page? I would imagine that often the reason for wanting a controversial page to be actively left out is, the desire NOT to have the primary content associated with one's name/group to be ANGRY TALK-PAGE RANTS about the content, or reversion thereof, on the page...
Case I: Brianism. Lots of people wanted the page to go away, accused the page authors of trying to promote a small sect; the sect itself found out about the whole mess and wrote a public letter asking that its page be removed. Upshot: Brianism is still here; many W'pedians want the page to go away, while others want it to stay; the open letter is still up on the official Brianist website.
Csae II: Richard Genovese. Modern-day artist has resume-like bio pasted-in and wikified by a sequence of both anon users and old-timers; it is put on VfD multiple times without reaching consensus; emotions run high due to connections with older related 'is this important enough to be here' issues [cf. DCB]; W'pedians variously claim it is self-promotion or non-encyclopedic. An anonymous user claiming to be RG himself tries to blank out the page, replacing it with a LONG ALL-CAPS NOTE ABOUT HOW HE DOESN'T WANT A PAGE ABOUT HIS LIFE OR WORK ON WIKIPEDIA and would W'pedia kindly stop trying to maintain such a page. Currently: RG is still here, and still on VfD; Morwen recently protected it to keep the recent user from engaging in a reversion-war; no verification that the angry user is the subject of the article; no verification that the subject of the article is important or famous enough to be included in W'pedia. +sj+ 08:16, 2004 Feb 25 (UTC)
For convenience, Sandbox maintainers can now replace headers with one " sandbox " message, instead of having to type " sandbox" and the comment manually. HTH Dysprosia 07:57, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Special:Whatlinkshere/National_capital_territory and Special:Whatlinkshere/Talk:National_capital_territory give scores of Village pump links. What's up? -- Paddu 10:21, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The stats pages are now build from the logs between 5 Feb - now. They are at http://wikimedia.org/stats/{DOMAIN}/, for example http://wikimedia.org/stats/en.wikipedia.org/. -- Gabriel Wicke 20:38, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'm doing a project about R.E.M., and I would like to know how did the social- economic circumstances, influenced the band's music in general, and how did it affect the writing of "It's the end of the world as we know it (and I feel fine)".
Thank You.
i wish to donate you information on terrorism topic. can i have your email address please at savinderd5@aol.com
Forwarded Message: Subj: (no subject) Date: 28/02/2004 23:15:38 GMT Standard Time From: Savinderd5 To: president@whitehouse.gov CC: vice.president@whitehouse.gov
FOR THE ATTENTION OF FBI. 28-2-2004
Dear Sir,
I have got great problems. I am a resident of uk and unfortunatley i have found out that a hell lot of crime is done on your country by an organsied criminal gang and that is done on orders by an English demonic,satanic and most evil man i had ever met or saw on the television or in any horror films from the Hollywood or Bollywood from India.
I must meet your agents and discuss the whole subject with you, unless you can ask your USA embassy personal to record what i have to say.
There should be about three such responsible personals to record what i have to say.
Nasty things had started to happen to me when an English man came into our office in 1974.
He had some demonic side to him.
I just could not lay my finger to his dirty and demonic side in the beginning.
I had put down to his hobby of tapping my phone and bugging my house.
His obsession then increased from that to have me followed me about to the shops and so on.
The dirty side of that man is seen when he started escorting men on me.
When i had reported of his illicit activity to the police, i then found out that he has got very many corrupt police friends.
However his police friends caused me a shock on 5-7-84.
The story did not end there.
Prior to that in 1978, my home conversation had leaked out but there were no bugs in our house.
In 1983, a programe came on BBC Tv on " telepathy" when a USA woman called as Mrs william was shown to have some para-normal powers and she can see things at 5000 miles away.
In other words it means that she can read thoughts of people at any time.
I strongly believe that, although on the front it was shown that Mrs William was telepathic but I strongly believe that but underneath, it is that man who had worked under the same roof as me from 1974 to 1978.
I have to inform you about the dangerous side of that man. He had been bugging my home and taking drastic action and things had happened when i had spoken of someone or had discussed something.
I do not know how to inform you that i strongly believe that this man has got a gang in Uk that also have a branch in Iraq.
I had recently said in my house saying " hellow,telepath, instead of reading and bugging my thoughts or conversation, why don't you go and help your UK and USA forces and smell the presence of sons of Saddam Hussain and win that reward."
Next day,the sons were dead.
{ That can only be happening if this telepath man had known where the sons were and to know that,he must have a gang in Iraq who had hidden the sons. }
After many days i said the same thing again , saying " now ,you should sniff out Saddam Hussain and win that reward"
next day Saddam Hussain was sniffed out.
{ That can only happen if saddam Hussain was housed by a man who ids known to Uk gang }
OTHER EXAMPLES FROM THE PAST
In the past, i was shopping in Marks and Spenser and i said " what a beautiful USA Navy woman "
a message came and said"" what a beautiful Bay ""
{ Please note that I will not at the moment inform you how i got that message }
Next day or two later after that message ,i had recieved , a terrorist attack took place on your USA Navy ship in OMAN BAY.
Same way , prior to the terrorism in New York and in Washington, i had messages in the form of coded words and those words related to New York and Washington in many ways.
example=
In New York I have a friend whose husband has got a surname called as " BAJWA"
AND IN WASHINGTON I KNOW A WOMAN WHOSE NAME IS CALLED AS "DEESH""
The coded message i had recieved prior to the terrorism in those two cities was as listed below and then i will give you an explanation of each coded wording too.
coded message
=============
bajwa, deesh,sava lakh se ek laraoon,turn around,bin badal bersat,hell broke out.
interpretation of above message
============================
Bajwa====it meant that something nasty will happen in New York where Bajwa is living.
Deesh= It meant that something nasty will happen in Washington where Deesh is living.
sava lakh se ek laroon===it means that i will kill many people using just one person { a quotation from our Sikh religion .I am a SIKH FROM INDIA . OUR GURU NUMBER 10 HAD SAID THREE HUNDRED YEARS AGO THAT HIS SIKH ARMY MEN WILL BE SO BRAVE THAT ONE MAN WILL KILL ONE MILLION MOSLEMS . I think in the case of terrorism, the mesage had meant that i will kill many Americans with just a few men on the aeroplin. }
Turn round == It had meant to convey me the message that the third aeroplain will turn around and will not reach its destination and that is exactly what had happened in reality.
BIN BADAL BERSAT===== It means that there will be a rainfall without a cloud.
In your case,it meant that there will be a rainfall of debris when the aeroplain will collide the trade centre building.
Hell broke out==== it means that hell will break out and there will be deaths.
i had also recieved a coded mesage a day or two prior to the blowing up of the statue of LORD BUDHA IN AFGANISTAN.
I was talking at my home about if Buddism was ever popular in India.
Then next day, i got that coded message that said" THE STATUE GONE ""
Next day i heard the news or read in the paper that TELEBAN HAD BLOWEN UP THE STATUE OF BUDHA IN AFGANSITAN.
THE ABOVE ARE ONLY SOME EXAMPLES THAT INTEREST YOU AND ARE APPLICABLE TO YOUR COUNTRY.
i CAN INFORM YOU THAT SOME CRIMINAL GANG MAY HAVE GOT INTO THE MI5 AND MI6 AS THE ENGLISH ARE A VERY CORRUPTIBLE RACE AND WHOEVER WINE THEM AND DINE THEM, THEY START SMEELING THEIR HORMONES ALIKE THE DOGS DO.
I have established from the above coded messages and things that happen to me that there are groups in the Uk and in Iraq and in Afhganistan that are related to each other and run by the underworld criminal gang.
Their main aim was to make money from the reward.
I can say that they had lead USA to take a fight against Saddam Hussain,issue a reward option and then once the reward was offered, the criminal gang then claimed that reward after giving a tip off.
The gang had won the confidence of Saddam Sussain and hid him but only to hand him over to the army after the reward was confirmed or announced.
THAT MAKES YOUR COUNTRY VERY UNSTABLE AS THEN THE HEADQUARTERS OF TERRORISM MUST BE IN UK WHERE THERE IS NO DEATH PENALITY.
UK WILL THUS BE A SAFE HAVEN IN THE FUTURE.
I have to give you this information as this demonic man can also kill people with his telepathy powers, causing sickness such as berybertry, multiple sclorosis or alikes of acerebeller ataxia that makes the muscular system very weak so much so that one can not even swallow food, sit,stand or walk or lift any limb.
He is thus a Dracula WHO PRETENDS TO BE NOW A TELEBAN AND ALIKE A TELEBAN HE THINKS HE CAN PUNISH THE INDIAN WOMAN AND HAVE A CONTROLE ON HER.
{ If I am the target, then I have never met anyone in my entire life who will do me any wrong other than that English man who had worked under the same roof as me in a civil service office from 1974 -1978 but he had never left me alone for a second ever since then. }
i had suffred a hell from this demonic man .
But the police of UK did nothing for me.
Why should they ?
Why should they when they are going to benefit from the Iraq war as the UK USA SUPPORT AND and made use of president Bush to fight a war against Iraq under false pretences.
PLEASE BELIEVE ME, THERE WAS NEVER ANY TERRRISM FROM SADDAM HUSSAIN SIDE AS I HAD BEEN READING THE PAPERS AND CO RELATING THE CODED MESSAGES AND HAD COME TO KNOW THAT THE WAR WAS INVENTED BY AN UNDERWORLD CRIMINAL GANG.
BUT SOMEONE HAD WANTED TO GET RID OF SADDAM HUSSAIN.
TO GET RID OF SADDAM HUSSAIN, UK HAD HAD NEEDED USA ARMY.
TO GET USA ARMY IS NOT AN EASY TASK.
WHAT MUST THEN UK DO TO GET USA ARMY ?
UK MUST DO SOME TERRORISM AGAINST USA AND PUT THE BLAME ON SADDAM HUSSAIN AND THAT WAY GET PRESIDENT BUSH TO WORK FOR UK.
Thus Uk criminal gang got hold of some mentally sick Moslems and brainwashed them or drugged them to damage their brains so that they have nothing better to do then to kill themselves and make themselves martyres.
PLEEASE BELIEVE ME, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THIS TELEPATHY GANG TO SEND YOU SUCH BRAINWASHING MESSAGES EVERY EACH SECOND OF THE DAY , UNTIL THE VICTIM DOES WHAT HE OR SHE IS TOLD TO DO.
Thus Uk had used USA.
Once the terrorism was done, USA was ready to fight and get rid of Saddam Hussain.
BUT WHAT WILL THE UNDERWORL CRIMNAL GANG GET FROM THIS WAR ?
FOR THAT THE CRIMNAL GANG GOT USA PRESIDENT TO ISSUE A REWAD OPTION.
ONCE THAT WAS DONE, THEN INFORM THE USA ARMY OF THE WHERE ABOUT OF THE SONS AND KILL THE SONS FIRST AND SEE IF THE REWARD WAS PAID.
AFTER THAT GET SADDAM HUSSAIN TOO.
I HAD THUS TOLD YOU THAT THE WAR WAS ALL PLANNED BY UNDERWORLD CRIMINAL GANG AND I ALWAYS GET THE MESSAGES.
AS I HAD SAID ABOVE, { If I am the target, then I have never met anyone in my entire life who will do me any wrong other than that English man who had worked under the same roof as me in a civil service office from 1974 -1978 but he had never left me alone for a second ever since then. I KLNOW THE NAME OF THAT MAN AND HIS PAST ADDRESS AND ALL ABOUT HIS OBSESSION OF ME. THAT SHIT OF ENGLISH ORIGIN CAN LICK MY ARCEHOLE ON A DAILY BASIS UNDER CAMERS AS I HAVE NONE INTEREST IN HIM. MY GOOD MORNING HAD COST ME A LOSS OF THREE OF MY UNBORN CHILDREN AND ALL MY TEETH WENT LOOSE JUST ALIKE A FLASH OF LIGHT INSTTANTLY. I fear if he gets people to even poison me in birthday cakes .}
THE AIM OF THIS MAN IS TO KILL ME BY STRESS AND BY DEATH MESSAGES.
I ALSO THINK THAT THIS GANG GETS FUNDS VIA THE TELEPATHY AND BY EXTORTION RACKET.
E,G TO GET FUNDS FROM A RICH MOSLEM, THIS GANG WILL SEND A TELEPATHY MESSAGE ASKING FOR FUNDS each second of the day and night until the victim pays .
The threat may be pay or we make you mentally so sick so much so that you will kill yourself as a punishment to you., OR ELSE LOOSE YOUR BRAIN.
INOTHERWORDS, THE GANG CAN DAMAGE THE BRAIN.
I THINK THAT THE VICTIM WHO HAS GOT A WEAKER BRAIN OR WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING TO HIM OR HER WILL END UP PAYING SO THAT HE SAVES HIS BRAIN FROM GETTING TELEPATHY MESSAGES.
TELEPATHY MESSAGES COME IN THE FORM OF SICKNESS.
IF YOU TELL SOME ONE ,THEN OTHER PEOPLE WILL THINK THAT YOU ARE A NUT.
IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT BE ALSO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEM.
IDEAS TO DONATE MONEY CAN BE INDUCED TOO.
IDEAS TO CHANGE YOUR WILLS CAN BE INDUCED TOO.
IDEAS FOR YOU TO THINK OF ANOTHER MAN OR WOMAN CAN BE INDUCED INTO YOU TOO.
SOMEONE CAN BE PLANTED ON YOU WHERE YOU DO NOT EXPECT THAT PERSON TO MEET YOU AS SOME ONE ALREADY KNOWS WHERE YOU ARE AT ANY GIVEN TIME OF THE DAY.
SAME WAY IDEAS TO DO TERRRISM CAN BE INDUCED TOO.
I THINK THAT THIS GANG HAD INDUCED THE IDEAS TO DO SUICIDE TERRORSM.
FOR TO GET A PERSON TO BE A SUICIDE TERRRIST,THEIR BRAINS ARE DRUGGED WITH CHEMICALS SUCH AS LEAD. ONCE DAMAGED,THEY CAN BE BRABWASHED INTO KILLING THEMSELVES AND MAKING USE OF THEIR LIFE FOR THE SAKE OF ISLAM.
HAVING SAID ABOVE, I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME, YOUR USA EMBASSY CAN INVITE ME, AND JUST PAY FOR MY TAXY TO AND FROM MY HOME.
OR JUST INTERVIEW ME IN MY NEAREST POLICE STATION AT WEMBLEY.
I CAN INFROM YOU THAT POLICE IN THE UK IS CORRUPT.
THAT MAN HAS GOT VERY MANY CORRUPT POLICE FRIENDS.
Please trust me, this man hates me and your country too due to the fact that i like the USA and USA as i had been seeing so many hollywood films.
You may think that this English man is a genious, but he is an evil man whose will suck all your blood and still not be guilty.
To rob things belonging to others is his old hobby.
He had done a crime on me for the last 30 years and had taken a toll out of my health.
I am also ready to go on television if you want to expose all what i had said in this email as each and everything i had written is correct.
WHAT I ADVISE IS THAT IF YOU HAD NOT AS YET PAID ANY BOUNTY REWARD TO ANYONE, PLEASE DO NOT PAY AS THEY ARE AN UNDERWORLD CRIMNAL GANG CLOSELY RESEMBLING KIDNAPPERS STYLE.
THUS THE IRAQ WAR WAS INVENTED,PLANNED AND PROVOKED BY UNDERWORLD CRIMNAL GANG AND WAS NOT A PRODUCT OF POLITICS.
ALSO KEEP A GOOD TRACK OF THOSE WHO GOT BOUNTY.
BUT NEVER HANDOVER SADDAM HUSSAIN TO THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ AS THAT WILL DO YOUR COUNTRY A LOT HARM IN THE FUTURE .
KEEPING HIM ALIVE WILL BENEFIT YOU,UNFOLD THE CONSPIRACY AND SADDAM HUSSAIN WILL MAY BE SHED LIGHT ON HIS DECEPTICE RELATIONS WHO HAD CAUSED HIS ARREST.
SEND ME YOUR FAX NUMBER PLEASE
faithfully,
savinder Dhadli
Subj: Fwd: (no subject) Date: 29/02/2004 05:30:37 GMT Standard Time From: Savinderd5 To: president@whitehouse.gov CC: vice.president@whitehouse.gov
Subj: Fwd: (no subject) Date: 29/02/2004 05:30:37 GMT Standard Time From: Savinderd5 To: president@whitehouse.gov CC: vice.president@whitehouse.gov
If it is at least frowned upon to have multiple accounts, is it possible to have them merged somewhere (given that such thing already exists for IP addresses)? -- Dissident 19:10, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I uploaded this image, but something seems to be wrong with it. Check the file size of the current version. Now, click on the image, and check the size of the file. Aha, you got it - they don't agree. What's wrong here? Can somebody help me?
Fibonacci 23:42, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I have a question here for people who contribute to Wikis in other languages. On the english wikipedia, I very, very rarely run across articles translated from other languages. In all the time I've been here, I've run across *maybe* 2. My question is - how common are translated articles on the Wikis? Do they tend to be one area (like science), or are they well distributed? What is the quality of a translated article? →Raul654 08:51, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
I've probably done about two dozen translated articles (into English) myself, mostly on cultural topics; usually when I do this, I find that I need to add a little more, because there are often cultural references that cannot be presumed clear to English-speakers. I've also done at least one on a scientific topic, adipose tissue, and I've often brought in material from other languages for an existing article, including expanding a stub to a full article. Some of the wikis (e.g. Romanian, Catalan) probably contain more translated content than not, at least on topics that don't specifically relate to the region where that language is spoken. Also, in this context, can I plug Wikipedia:Translation into English where you can request a translation of a foreign-language article into English (or sign up to help with that sort of work). -- Jmabel 23:27, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I can't access the Recent changes page. It keeps killing my browser. Anybody else having this problem? RickK 04:39, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Well, it seems to have come back. Wish I knew what happened. RickK 05:07, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
IE 6.0. RickK 22:55, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Well, I used to use Netscape till they did a major revision (was it 5.0?) which I absolutely hated, so I switched to IE. RickK 03:17, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
As you may notice, I am adding dozens of towns and villages articles. Given its number of articles added at a time, you may have some opinion about the format, naming or anything. Please come to Wikipedia:Wikiproject Japanese districts and municipalites to discuss this matter. Thanks. -- Taku 04:10, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
From my talkpage
Hi Taku, would you mind adding {{msg:stub}} at the end of those small articles you're adding? thanks, Dori | Talk 03:43, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
Has image formatting been changed recently? I have seen a few pages that look messed up now where previously they didn't. See for example: Vlorë (although you obviously can't see what it looked like previously). Dori | Talk 03:49, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
It looks fine to me. RickK 04:13, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I have collected screenshots of all Main Pages of 53 Wikipedias at [5]. Complete pages are shown (I used a virtual screen of 1000*3000 pixels, some really fill all that space). Images were reduced to 40% size, so texts are barely readable, but the overall layout can be easily compared this way. Erik Zachte 00:28, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I think it would be cool if we had a standard statement to go at the top of articles (along the lines of the Featured Article statement, Nominated for Deletion statement, etc) that, due to their presence in current events, will be often updated as new developments occur. Examples for the present would be 2004 Haiti Rebellion, U.S.-led occupation of Iraq, 76th Academy Awards (which, BTW, is very stubbish right now), Same-sex marriage in the United States, etc. Something maybe like This is an article for a currently-occuring event and will be updated as new developments occur, or something more eloquently-phrased. Garrett Albright 01:03, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I visited Lemon meringue pie after noting that someone edited it. It's a basic stub (and how) but clearly deserves its place in wikipedia. BUT. If someone embellishes it with a little history and adds informative content about how it's made, it will be removed from wikipedia. Moriori 22:15, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)
Take it to Talk:List of recipes/Delete. Martin
The stats pages are now built from the logs between 5 Feb - now. They are at http://wikimedia.org/stats/{DOMAIN}/, for example http://wikimedia.org/stats/en.wikipedia.org/. -- Gabriel Wicke 20:38, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
(Note: I have no scientific basis for the hypothesis I am about to put forth. All numbers are invented with the intention of striking your imagination.)
In light of the recent press release and Jimbo's conversations with "The Economist" and Yahoo, some concerns come to my mind. Are we really ready for the next spurt of growth? I mean, REALLY READY for a MAJOR, UNPRECEDENTED spurt?
Let's say Yahoo begins to use our content. After a month's time, the number of hits on our servers increases 12-fold. The number of editors increases 9-fold. The number of vandals triples. A growth spurt unparalleled in Wikipedia history. One of such size, it could collapse or paralyze Wikipedia.
I don't think such a scenario is far-fetched. We need to examine our experiences with previous growth spurts and the experiences of other websites (Friendster, Craigslist, Slashdot, etc.) and put together a plan of action to protect Wikipedia from such a population explosion.
Issues to consider:
Food for thought, Kingturtle 20:07, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
If it becomes a problem, we can block the googlebot. That'll slow down our growth. Martin 22:21, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
What are Wikipedia's (nascent?) connections with Yahoo! and The Economist? Can I read about on the website somewhere? Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 00:14, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
JeLuF has launched a design competition at meta:Image Box for people interested in changing the way thumbnails are displayed using the extended image syntax.
Note, this is for people who want to change the CSS which creates the (currently grey) boarder around the image, and what icon to use, if any – not for dicussing the ins and outs of how the images are resized and compressed on the fly. Voting is expected to begin on March 15, so all suggestions should be made by then. :) fabiform | talk 19:12, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I thought the following article/interview might interest you.
Sincerely, Byron Merritt Grandson of Frank Herbert
http://www.fwomp.com/Int_steinbeck.htm
Probably a newbie question, but I've just uploaded an image and am having trouble displaying it in an article. I think the code I'm using is OK, because if I change the image name in the code to another one that exists in the image list, it displays that image just fine. Any suggestions? -- Gary Jones 08:08, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)
For convenience, Sandbox maintainers can now replace headers with one "{{subst:sandboxpaste}}" message, instead of having to type "{{msg:sandbox}}" and the comment manually. HTH Dysprosia 07:57, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Today, I received the following note on my talk page.
I'm using IE 6.0, if that helps any. What should I do, and how can I fix this? Thanks very much, Meelar 06:31, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Ladies and gentlemen, it came to my attention that transliterations in articles about Russia became ridiculously fat (I don't know a better word). The most recent example:
I understand that all of them are of certain use, but the first sentence of the article becomes unreadable, not to say about a series of microedit wars. I am urging to find a better solution. Mikkalai 02:26, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Would the edit box toolbar please stop inserting a space under headings? First, the MoS states that there should be no heading. Second, if I were to defy the MoS like everyone else, I would be adding the space myself. -- Jia ng 01:21, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Does anybody know the whereabout of the artist Wanda Zagorska who painted the Black Madonna in approximately 1954? This painting was accepted by the Vatican in Rome.
This is an urgent matter
Please contact her sister's husband in Canada at e-mail address: morfw@shaw,ca
From the license:
functional and useful document "free" in the sense of freedom"
As I read it an image is not a document so it can be licensed.
Under which license should you release your pictures if not GNU Free Documentation License so they can be used under GNU Free Documentation License?
Chbs 00:25, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone know EoT's full username? I'm trying to remember and block the last few PHP/SQL/Proclamation only blocks, and I don't want to have to do a DB search for them. Thanks. Pakaran . 22:47, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Dispute over the name Sea of Japan needs urgent attention! The article is far from NPOV and there needs to be Wikipedia Naming Convention on this the name (to stop further unilateral changes). I suggest we use East Sea/ Sea of Japan at least in the Korean context. Maybe someone neutral can look into this (please!). Kokiri 22:19, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hi all,
I just wanted to let you know, that we have Wikipedians-meetings in Berlin and Munich every one or two months and it is really interresting/helpful/nice/... it's worth it.
So I just started the page Wikipedia:meetup, mybe some english speakers also want to meet or join one of the other meetings that are already happening.
See you :-) Fantasy 18:17, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
A convenient link to a) the set of messages and templates, or b) a place to discuss them, should be included with each message, like the section-edit links that are included with each section for long pages... These shortcuts are becoming more and more common, as the need for modular/scalable messaging grows and the elegance of article types increases through the creation of lovely mesg-based templates [cf, say, "calendar for February 2003"]. The annoyance factor in having to look at the "edit this page" source to find the mesg name, and then to remember to type in Mediawiki:{msg name} by hand to get the proper page, is significant.
For example, just now, I noticed that the month calendars should include links to the other months of the year, perhaps something like
J
F March 23
A
M
J
J
A
S
O
N
D
<calendar body, w/ the 23d selected>
.
Could someone up to speed with Imperial (English) units please take a look at the conversation on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aircraft/Table#Table_Size? Specifically, if the weight of an aircraft is being provided in a data table, should it conventionally be written "8,000-lbs" or "8,000 lbs"? -- Rlandmann 06:22, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Do we still have a page to report vandalism? If so, where is it? If not, do we report it here? If so, User 198.7.225.35 has been persistently vandalising Winged Victory of Samothrace. Can someone do something about this? Adam 01:33, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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I'm tired of people posting fotos using the <div> tag. This format is extremely hostile to older browsers, and results in people who use older systems to explore wikipedia finding it unpleasant and unusable and not coming back. The <img> tag is perfectly adequate for the wikipedia and is friendly to just about every browser out there. Myself, I usually use Netscape 4.7, but I can no longer use it on graphics-containing wikipedia pages, forcing me to open Mozilla 1.6, which badly bogs down my antiquated computer and forces me to spend about three times as much time on-line to do the same thing. BTW, the Bomis Browser version I have won't handle the <div> stuff very well, either. jaknouse 18:06, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'm trying to edit this and just get a blank window, so not sure how this will post. I just uploaded:
as examples of what happens when viewing div tags on Netscape 4.7 (the page shown is Oak). In fact, the pump grafik at the top of the Village Pump page floats ON TOP of much of the text! jaknouse 01:07, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
OK, I've installed Netscape 4.7 and now I see what you mean. Yuck! Brion - one easy fix that I know of, as far as the generated HTML code, is to use the @import
statement for bringing in any CSS stuff that Netscape does not understand. NS 4.7 doesn't know about @import
, so any CSS referenced in that manner will be ignored by that browser. I'm fairly sure it applies to other versions too - haven't tried it. I don't know how it'll deal with inline CSS such as we use in our floating-image-divs; it might also be necessary to simply use a CSS class for floating divs, and define the actual CSS attributes in the @imported stylesheet:
<div class="floatleft">(...image...)</div>
and in the stylesheet, something like:
.floatleft { float: left; margin: 0 1em 1em 0; }
I wish I could give you a more specific fix; I'll play around and see if I can come up with something. -- Wapcaplet 02:26, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
To Brion or any other developer that is following the discussion: I've come up with a relatively simple fix that works for at least some of the image pages. It doesn't look great in NS4.7, but it looks way better than it did before. See User:Wapcaplet/Sandbox#Helping_out_the_broken_browsers for implementation details. -- Wapcaplet 05:02, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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Do we have a policy on including eternal links which lead to paid subscription news services such as The Times? Fore example Current_events the Feb 16th story on the break-up of the BBC. Personally, I think that it's okay to link to news sites which require a free login, such as the New York Times, but that paid subscription links are best left out (or annotated as paid so that users don't waste time/bandwidth trying to acces them). dramatic 19:27, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I use http://news.google.com/ to search for news articles to link to in the Current Events pages. All of their entries are non-subscription services, and so far I haven't had a problem finding a news article which covers the event I'm trying to include. RickK 21:24, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
We should also not give references to books or journal articles as they are cost money up front too. Let's just stick to sites supported by advertising (which we pay for in non-up-front ways) or the BBC (which I pay for out of taxes), cos they don't cost money up front. More seriously, the right thing to do from a scholastic perspective is to give the best references, wherever they may be. (Note that in theory our articles should be sufficently good that references are not needed by Joe Reader, only by more serious researchers) Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 22:12, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I don't really see what's wrong with linking to a pay-only NY Times link. It'd be okay to link to "not even online at all" sources, like, say, the NY Times paper version, or a book, or a journal. I do agree that we should prefer online and free sources if they are just as good, and just as reputable. We shouldn't link to some random local paper nobody's ever heard of as our authoritative source just because it's free. Doubly so because our content may eventually be used in a non-internet setting, in which case being able to look up the NY Times article at your local library's archives is a lot better than having a useless reference to some obscure paper. -- Delirium 12:00, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
Over at Operation Downfall, I added a section on casualities. It draws very heavily from a couple passages in John Skates' Invasion of Japan. If this were an academic paper, I'd most definitely cite it. What is the wiki policy on citations? →Raul654 19:01, Feb 12, 2004 (UTC)
Who is supposed to move approved candidates from Wikipedia:Featured pictures candidates into Wikipedia:Featured pictures ? Bevo 17:12, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Where do you find a list of the most edited articles in the wiki? Tried Specialpages and didn't see anything that yelled "most edited" at me.... :) alerante 23:01, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Some of the number pages (like five hundred) have "ordinal" and "cardinal" confused. Please fix this. Ordinal means 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.; cardinal means one, two, three (how many), etc. --Juuitchan
m:Wikimedia's first press release was written mostly in August of 2003, before $30,000 dollars were raised for new hardware. Suggestions for bringing iti up to date before it is released are solicited.
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I'm curious: Has anybody else encountered a real, mean-spirited, you-revert-me-so-I-revert-you edit war over a less likely topic than Curse of the Bambino? DavidWBrooks 15:38, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Reminiscing continues at Wikipedia talk:Edit war
Help needed with formatting math formulae.
Discussion continues at m:Talk:MediaWiki User's Guide: Editing mathematical formulae
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- - I rememember seeing something when I first came on board about the geographical site names being first done by robot, using some(?) almanac.
Discussion continues at User talk:Ram-Man
Don't know if
Lumpenproletariat should be moved to
lumpen ploletariat
Lumpen proletariat. Need help from whatever that language is (German?). Discuss at
Talk:Lumpenproletariat please. --
Maio 22:22, Feb 11, 2004 (UTC)
Lumpenproletariat has now been fixed, and yes it is correct (one Word) -- Dieter Simon 23:37, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Multilingual? Or need a foreign-language wikipedia article translated into English? Check out the newly created Wikipedia:Translation
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I was wondering is it possible to download the whole mathematics section?
See: Wikipedia:Database download. (you will download other sections but its all in a nice package) --Sennheiser ! 17:27, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I was checking how my article Sangharakshita rated on Google today and found something interesting. Most of the licenced users of Wikipedia's text rate better than Wikipedia itself.
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The article Abbey appears to have been cut off mid-sentence. I tracked this back to the 06:34, 31 Oct 2002 version (the previous version is all right). Ideally, I would have been able to view the source (including wiki formatting) of the 31.12.2002 version and copy it to the most recent revision. Is this possible? If not, I'll just copy the article as is, and reapply the formatting on my on. - Itai 01:13, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
To Whom It May Concern:
I am trying to locate sheet music for "Anatole Of Paris", which was performed by Danny Kaye, written by Sylvia Fine.
I've attempted to locate this sheet music but have had no luck, so far. I'm hoping you can help me.
Thanks for your time.
All the best,
Clive Revill email: selsrev@earthlink.net
Try this link. RickK 02:15, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Clive Revill? The actor? RickK 02:16, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I have a friend that about 25 years ago had a ring put around the lower part of her stomach to aid her in losing weight as she was very overweight. Now, many years later she is having so many health problems as now she can only drink and if she eats solid foods it will not pass and she is losing a lot of weight and also is throwing up every day. Do you have any information that might aid her as I thought at one time you had people on that had problems from this procedure. A doctor told her the ring is closing and she will have to have 99% of her stomach removed. Can you help her? She is on disability and medicare! Any information would be so greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Mari Howard
Sorry, but wasn't there just a discussion about standard formatting for dashes? I've spent 10 minutes searching for it and can't find the discussion or any text in style-guide-related topics about them. Where'd it goooooo? Elf 02:46, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Could someone delete Gujarat to move Gujarat State, India there. Also, Yellow Pig Day still needs to be deleted. -- Wik 19:24, Feb 14, 2004 (UTC)
Is there something wrong with the Thai language wikipedia I cannot reach it. Somchai ;
You might want to tell that to
Silsor.
--Ed Senft
! 03:37, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I propose that a new policy be implemented to deal with the short-term impact of edit and revert wars. The protecting pages does not seem to work as the conflict soon spreads to other pages, and we can't be protecting all the pages. I am almost inclined to support a policy whereby sysops are allowed to temp-ban participants until the Mediation/Arbitration committees are done reviewing the issue....
Discussion continues at Wikipedia talk:Edit war
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I added replies to the replies. See that page. Laudaka 07:12, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC) (Paul/laudaka)
Not really sure whether this is the place to ask but: Would it possible to set the wikibot (or whatever it is) to change "located in" to "in" where that phrase this occurs in geographical articles? If something is "in" X county etc, it has to be located there and the "located" is completely redundant. Jacquerie27 22:18, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I was just wondering, is there any way to make large black bolded text, like is seen on page sub-divisions without using the ==Bolded Text== thing. And I dont mean like This I mean really big G-Man 16:24, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'm sure I've seen it used somewhere else, (might be wrong) and I was just wondering how it was done G-Man 16:54, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
using CSS
maybe… (<p style="font-size: 120%; font-weight: bold;">) Just don't use a <h2> just to get "big text". Jo r 17:07, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)<h1 align=center>It Cannot be Done</h1>
Sorry the newbie question. I understand that i should cite my sources if i write long sections about complex topics. But what if these sources are in German, not English? Of course i tend to read books in my native language if i can get decent ones on a topic, and not all of them are availiable as english translations. Cite anyway? With a warning that it's not in english? Lady Tenar 00:32, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Will the Wikipedia full-text search feature be re-enabled, now that the new servers are being installed? Google is amazing, but it's not as good as the full-text search feature was. Dpbsmith 23:15, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I have reverted Cleanup about 5 hours worth, maybe a dozen edits. Those who can read the history will understand why. I have to go off-line for about 6 hours, starting now. Only one person should take over from me in restoring the lost edits; and no one with any doubt as to whether they understand the process should try. Sys-op status (even tho i lack it) would be a good criterion.
(Leave a note here if you're going to undertake it. Also check with User:MyRedDice to be sure he hasn't started, or gotten someone else onto it. And probably modify my *two* copies of modified "in use" boiler plate, to mention your name and help ensure only one person working on the repair.)
It *can* be left until i can finish it if necessary, but the sooner the better, IMO. -- Jerzy 23:43, 2004 Feb 15 (UTC)
Timwi and I are having a discussion on the best thumbnail size for pictures. We cannot agree so please put your opinions here. The discussion so far is at User talk:Timwi. To help your thoughts I have put one pic on Wing to 180px wide and one to 250px wide.
My argument is that 250px is best, as a compromise, so that clicking on a larger version (if any) would be rarely necessary and page loading time would still be reasonable. (I used to say 300px but, for some reason I don?t understand, that does look too large with the new image code).
Timwi?s argument is for a roughly 180px thumb. He says that you can see just as much detail on that size as on a 250px one and that 250px looks bad on a 640 by 480 screen because it occupies half the screen width.
(Timwi, if I haven?t put your argument properly please add to it here).
Your opinions, please.
Adrian Pingstone 17:30, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I've been putting a lot of images up lately, so I think I can speak with some authority on the situation. And the answer is - it depends. My advice is to use the preview button to see what looks best. I usually go between 200 and 300, but there are sometimes where you have to go with something different. University of Delaware, for instance, was a tricky one. →Raul654 18:00, Feb 15, 2004 (UTC)
Just to add another point of reference: I personally try to aim for the 200-250px range, though it depends on image orientation (a portrait aspect-ratio image can be narrower, while a landscape one should be wider). In my guesstimation that gives a good compromise between size and various screen resolutions (250px is around 25% of a 1024x768 monitor, but still only 39% of a 640x480 monitor). -- Delirium 06:25, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)
The new server configuration with caches doesn't seem to work well with my Netscape 7.x browser -- I get the actual version of pages like Village Pump only if I explicitly de-cache reload them (Shift-Reload), not with a normal clicking on a link or on the reload button. That's not nice behavior and can lead to misunderstandings (e.g. seemingly missing answers or edits). -- till we *) 23:53, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
We're sending headers that tell both other caches and browsers to check back for updates on every request. Cache administrators of downstream caches can however configure their caches to ignore some of these headers (especially Vary and Cache-Control) in order to get a higher 'hit ratio'. This violates the http standard, so it should be a reason to complain to your cache administrator, if you know who it is. The other reason i could think of would be a browser that's explicitly configured to check for updates only once per session. With Mozilla, you can check this (iirc) at Edit - Preferences - Advanced - Cache settings. -- Gabriel Wicke 18:06, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hi my name is Tonya my email address is atlmker2442@wmconnect.com
I was trying to find information on homelessness in Monroe County, NY I was thinking about doing a speech for college on this issue in my county. But I not sure where to look. If you could help me out that would be great or even if you could point me in the right direction.
Thank you Tonya
Good luck, Kingturtle 06:13, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Why is Wikepedia not accessible from the Safari Browser? It's not a big deal, but am just curious.
I'm surprised by how many Safaris are around... Sorry for the trouble! -- Gabriel Wicke 02:03, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I use Safari 1.0 (the last version to be compatible with OS X 10.2... haven't upgraded yet), and have never had any problems. Garrett Albright 04:37, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Sometime this afternoon, I was no longer able to access Wikipedia using Safari. It says that my User-Agent is being blocked, but I'm not using any of the UserAgents listed (which seem to mostly be e-mail harvesters, site harvesters and their ilk). I have the Debug menu turned on in Safari and it's emulating Mozilla right now as a temporary measure, but someone needs to fix this.
RadicalBender 21:54, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The msg:NPOV tag needs to be added to Atlantium. "If a Wikipedia:administrator must protect a page for neutrality protection, this label should always be added." ( Wikipedia:NPOV Dispute) Anthony DiPierro 19:15, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Is there any Overseas Branch of African Development Bank at 1 Canada Square, Canary Wharf London E14
Thank you
Saibal Chatterjee
saibalda@yahoo.com
A discusssion to replace the Main Page with Main Page/Test and Wikipedia:Main Page is currently going on at those two pages' talk pages. The current concensus is to make the change. Gentgeen 17:43, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
User:Optim introduced a rule in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not stating "Wikipedia is not a national encyclopedia focusing only on one specific culture or country. Therefore Wikipedia is neither an American, European, Asian or African encyclopedia. Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia written in the English language. Wikipedia does not focus on American English. Therefore the British English can be used everywhere and should not be limited for articles relevant to the British culture; the same applies to other popular kinds of English, too." Please post your comments on Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not and feel free to improve the wording. DO NOT REPLY HERE. If you do so, your comments will be moved to [[ Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not page by User:Optim. - Optim 21:30, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
FWIW, I really really dislike interwiki redirects, and get rid of them whenever I have the chance. First of all, I dislike the idea of Wikipedia articles redirecting anywhere other than other Wikipedia articles, and secondly they're a pain because you can only edit them with manual URL editing. -- Delirium 06:45, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)
you want http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Metanoia&redirect=no
Bad title
From Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
The requested page title was invalid, empty, or an incorrectly linked inter-language or inter-wiki title.
Some one create an article on Metanoia, I moved the content to Wikitionary, tried to do a redirect with "wikitionary:" as the language, it didn't work... is there anyway to redirect to other Wikimedia projects? -- user:zanimum
Today, someone had initiated a series of articles with titles like Mother Earth (Asimov) for short stories by the author whose last name is Asimov. Isn't there a better way to title that sort of Wikipedia article? Bevo 22:03, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Summary: Proposal to have separate databases for userpages, talkpages and articles. See User:Optim/Userpages. DO NOT REPLY HERE. Failure to do this will result in your comments being moved to User:Optim/Userpages by User:Optim. Optim 03:53, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I was trying to edit Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration, and every time I clicked on the "edit" link, it gave me the wrong section to edit. I had to edit the entire page. RickK 02:06, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I've moved this comment into the section it was replying to above - IMSoP 01:26, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Does the spelling of existing topic names can be changed? I.e. the title of the page [TCP] protocol is written in capital letters, but when I wanted to add an entry about the [SOCKS] protocol, there was already a page with only a redirect to [sock].
This may be one of those cases where I have failed ever to observe a mechanism that is well known to other wikipedians, so I am here for advice. Back on 1 Dec 2003 I added an accuracy dispute notice to Uqbar, and spelled out my concerns, as well as what I could ascertain, on its talk page. Knowing that this was an obscure article, and I might not get any responses, I looked at Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute, hoping to find advice on how to move this forward. I found nothing relevant in terms of how to proceed. I asked about this on Wikipedia talk:Accuracy dispute: no one responded. I suspect I am overdoing this by bringing this to the Village Pump, but I really don't know where else I should be turning. Can anyone advise? -- Jmabel 00:15, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
User:Optim introduced a new rule in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not seeking to protect and emphasise the international spirit of our project. See [[ Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not. Optim 02:29, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Calling poets, songwriters or anyone with the ability to rhyme (that counts me out). A small request... I've translated the literal meaning of four lines of a lullaby into English, but would love to have a natural/idiomatic version for the article as well. You can see it, and suggest a loosely translated but nicer version here: Talk:P'ti quinquin. Thanks! fabiform | talk 21:20, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
In your report you state that the Bathyscaphe Trieste reached the bottom of Challenger Deep. If this is indeed the case and all that was found where sole,shrimp and carp. Then what where the demensions at the bottom. Was there a shelf of any sort. Where there any tunnels or shafts? Was the entire bottom covered in a silt? Any rocks or other such matter?
I would appreciate if you or a representative would write back to me at b_m_hacking@hotmail.com
--> Talk:Wiktionary
How do I insert a table of contents similar to that on this page? There are a couple of articles that I am thinking of adding it onto. Arno 06:25, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
As per the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, I have started Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Plautus satire in an (emergency) attempt to gauge community opinion on the problem. Comments there are very much appreciated. →Raul654 05:05, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
This is more of an announcement than a query, but there's a new page up at Wikipedia:New user log. It's a place where new users can introduce themselves. It seems to be in active use now, so if you're interested, check it out periodically. Also, encourage new people to sign in if they haven't yet. Oh, and I would welcome any further ideas on how to welcome and integrate new people. Isomorphic 04:54, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Dear Sir:
I would like to suggest a website to submit to your denomination directory:
Canadian Evangelical Christian Churches
Website: www.cecconline.com
Email: cecc@rogers.com
Thank you for your consideration.
Yours truly,
Dr. David Lavigne, President
fixed --> Wikipedia:Village pump/February 2004 archive 2
--> Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions
fixed, see Wikipedia:Village pump/February 2004 archive 2
Apart from the current confusion over what to call them, there is something I've always wondered about sysops/admins - what if you aren't one, but want to use a facility that only they have access to? What I mean is, is there a page somewhere where I can say "Excuse me, can an admin do X for me please." - and if not, should there be?
I've come up against this twice lately: firstly I spotted a cut & paste move on Miguel Induráin - no big deal, but I understand admins can merge the Page Histories when this happens; and secondly, I spotted a nonsense edit of Talk:Simon_Grabowski in Recent Changes - again, no biggy, and it looks like someone else spotted and deleted it, anyway, but what if they hadn't? Hunting around, I came across the contraversial Wikipedia:Deleted test, which would probably have done for the second case, but what to do about the first?
I suggest making a page where reasonably experienced users who aren't admins could post comments, which admins would have on their watchlists and work their way through periodically. Most things could just be done and unlisted, anything non-trivial/contraversial could be sent somewhere else - either way, the admin could put a message on the requesters User_talk: page saying what they did. I hope I'm not opening a can of worms here, but I think this would be rather useful. - IMSoP 20:01, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'd support a Wikipedia:Request for sysop attention page. Would make a good pointer page to all the other ones we have out there, like votes for deletion, redirects for deletion, etc. Anthony DiPierro 20:37, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Another technique- you can usually find a random sysop or three hanging out in the IRC chat (#wikipedia on irc.freenode.net).
Spanish Wikipedia has just modified its "minor change" marker (in Recent Changes and elsewhere) from an uppercase M to a lowercase m. The consensus view is that it's easier on the eyes, less likely to get confused with the "new" marker N, etc. Would English Wikipedia benefit from such a change, or are we too set in our ways? – Hajor 18:16, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Three in favour and one more general expression of interest in fiddling with the flags. (A more conspicuous option for N – how about N?) Does anyone with protected page access feel like playing about with MediaWiki:Minoreditletter or MediaWiki:Newpageletter? – Hajor 17:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hi Trekkies and other folks enjoying Star Trek! I'm looking for a say 1 screen transcript of Klingon. From a series or movie of Star Trek. (A part of one of the books in Klingon seems less nice to me.)
It is for an article I'm editing about a special phenomenon that occurs only rarely in languages. Klingon has been made up using this phenomenon because it makes Klingon sound counterintuitive and weird. (Actually a sentence like "Ba'thar destroyed the ship with a photon torpedo" in Klingon becomes "The ship destroyed Ba'thar with a photon torpedo".)
To make the article (actually Object Verb Subject) more lively and to illustrate why this phenomenon is so rare it would be very nice to translate a fairly large piece of Klingon back to English but keeping the higly unusual word order of Klingon.
Where can I find such a transcript, preferably with extended translation annotations? I'm thinking of having a look at the Star Trek WikiWiki, but I really haven't a clue where to look else for this. BTW (by the way) if someone wants to make such a quasi-translation himself I'd really welcome that as I'm absolutely not familiar in Klingon and I have a hard time writing new text. Editing and copyediting text is much easier for me, so I can help extensively with such a translation.
I think it's nicest to use some Klingon text that people might have seen already on tv or could rent a video of (then the movies would be best). In this way I think it's also appealing for people that are not die-hard Trekkers but interested in language, or are just curious. (And reading Wikipedia for it's entertainment value, like I do File:Tongue.gif.) Paul/laudaka (add me to your Y!M/AIM/etc. list if you like!) | Talk 16:41, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
sir i m third year student of B.Tech (chem. engg.)studing in LIT, Nagpur. i have got 76% in 5th sem & my overall avarage is 70%. i want to do industrial training in your company please give me a chance to get training in your company RAHUL P. GAWANDE rahul_elite2000@yahoo.com
Hi -- does anybody know if there is a way to access the Wikipedia from a mobile phone (cell phone)? This would entail a XHTML Mobile Profile or WML (WAP) version of the Wikipedia that could be accessed on pretty much any modern mobile phone. This would make a fantastic handheld access channel to the Wikipedia, with you at all times. -Ronan
A new xhtml skin that displays well on mobiles is underway, modeled after the Plone xhtml skin. A quick mockup is available at http://wp.aulinx.de/, more information at meta:Skins Have you tried the current skin btw? Shouldn't be too bad really as it's tableless as well. -- Gabriel Wicke 11:32, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Has there recently been any change in the automatic article count algorithm? Andres 08:49, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Would anybody be interested in the various WikiProjects choosing something to be their representative article? The one that includes everything an ideal article should, and is written well, etc. Perhaps to be a running list at Wikipedia:Featured articles (i.e. every WikiProject that has reached such a stage has the article listed at the top, with more added as the newer projects develop). Please respond at Wikipedia talk:Featured articles. Tuf-Kat 07:00, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
I am a Canadian and i am wondering if it is possible to join your countries army..I need the requirements and if it is possible adn what i ahve to do to get adn and does the srmy sponsor me through employment to get it the army
Sir,
We are students from a local high school working on the creation of a website.
We are in need of information on HTML entities.
The msg:NPOV tag needs to be added to Atlantium. --> done
This is probably not a useful place to do this, but I would like to urge, encourage, and beg people to use the summary line when you edit articles. Just a brief indication of the changes made, or "see talk page" if the changes can't be described briefly. Even -- especially -- if you're just fixing spelling or punctuation or wikifying something. -- Charles A. L. 18:16, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
I stumbled on to this new (?) feature by accident. Since when did self-links become highlighted non-links? This would certainly make the job of creating lateral links (e.g. to other countries on a country's page) easier. -- seav 15:38, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
Following a discussion on the mailing list, I knocked up Wikipedia:Trust network to see if the "web of trust" concept has a chance of working. Comments welcome. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 14:55, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
On the light side, I've started a playground equipment project--small project probably but photos would be good and existing entries (not enough of them) need excavating, reorganizing, expanding--see discussion at the project. Everyone's welcome to play. Elf 14:10, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Some style guides dictate that initials in people's names, or companies named after them, should be written with spaces after the periods and a space between the initials and the name, ie W. E. B. Du Bois. Others dictate against putting spaces between the initials, only a space between the initials and the name, ie W.E.B. Du Bois. Modern typographical practice in book and newspaper publishing leans towards the latter. (Currently, Wikipedia has a mixture of both.)
Please cast your vote: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions
discussion continues at --> Wikipedia_talk:Naming conventions
My auto-log in no longer works, not a serious problem; but when I do log in and then return to the Main Page I find I am logged out again. ping 07:27, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requested pictures: Looks like there are tons of fulfilled requests still hangin'. If you made requests, please check 'em to be sure you got what you want & remove request. (Snoyes, there's still no photo for Crushing by elephant ;-) ) Elf 05:11, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Having just used the argument on VfD that, if a film exists in IMDB [1], it's legit and therefore subject to Wiki having an article about it (specifically in reference to porn entries but I see that someon else used the same argument in reference to an obscure individual), I do wonder, philosophically, whether Wiki really intends to reinvent every encyclopedic database that already exists--such as IMDB, which has been around for quite a long time and is quite exhaustive in its film-related data. Thoughts? Has this already been discussed somewhere? Elf 02:53, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
IMDb is only as good as what its users put on it. Although that may be said about Wikipedia, there really isn't any reason why our information isn't different from theirs. RickK 03:08, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
IMDb is not a free project. I think it is the case that Amazon is now the owner of a whole load of work submitted back when the db appeared to be free like WP is actually free. 217.159.40.50 10:08, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I replaced
File:Barnstar.gif with
, an updated and better-looking one. If it's not transparent it's because your web browser is broken and not standards compliant.
silsor 00:39, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
I tried to rollback American Federation of Labor to a previous version, but no matter how many times I clicked the rollback link, the change never showed up on the history. I then went to the version in the history prior to the vandalism and tried to save that, and even put a comment saying what I was doing. It LOOKED as if my edit took, but the history still showed that nothing happened, and my comment and change never showed up on Recent Changes. I had to go into the version prior to the vandalism, actually make an edit to the page (not just save it without an edit), then save THAT, before I finally got the page back in place. RickK 00:08, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Why I cannot directly access Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects by IP? Ric 23:54, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The page History of Palestine has been subjected to an edit war. I added material from Benny Morris's book Israel's Border Wars 1949-1956. Zero0000 deleted the material. An edit war ensued. I called upon Zero000 to join us in discussion at the [3] rather than continue the edit war. Instead, Zero0000, contacted Viajero. Viajero, editted the page, deleted, Benny Morris's statements and then protected the page. SO, the question is is it wikipedia policy to participates in Edit war and protects page
Please note that Zero0000 and Viajero have been tag-team deleting/reverting material as one can see from this quote from Zero0000 user page
Stevertigo cautioned both of these two wikipedians: Zero0000 and Viajero regarding the tag-team deletions/reversions.
So what is the policy regarding these issues? OneVoice 23:42, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I have added a section to Wikipedia:Manual of Style on when to use em and en dashes and what markup to use. I believe that this reflects correct typography. Previous discussion didn't appear to completely resolve the discussion, so I attempted to wrap it up with this entry. Please comment on its talk page rather than here.
Likewise I left only the discussion on dashes in bio dates in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (biographies) and I'm almost certain that that didn't end up with resolution because it diverged into talk about ems and ens in general. Would be nice to continue relevant (bio) discussion there and then adjust its meta page to reflect what we want people to do. Elf 21:57, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Since I've started using Wikipedia, I've had a problem with my edit window in that it changes its dimensions so that I can't see the right-hand edge with the scroll bar. If I only make an erasure, this doesn't happen, and the entire window remains visible onscreen. There are about 16 characters off the screen that I can't see, editting is a little tricky. I've adjusted my browser font size but that didn't have any effect. I use both Win2K and WinXP, and it occurs in both. Is this normal? -- TimothyPilgrim 17:52, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
IIRC it was once said that when an IP is blocked a registered user using the same IP can still log in. However this weekend I got an email that someone was locked out due to a previous IP block of a vandal - sadly I didn't check my email then so I could not unblock him quickly. Anonymous IP blocking shouldn't affect logged in users - as if a vandal uses a username that one can be blocked as well. So, do I remember that function wrongly, or did it change its working in the meantime? If my memory fails, then take this as a feature request :-) andy
I'm playing with a new Main Page layout at Main Page/Test. I would like to invite feedback on the talk page. Please do not make any major changes to this experimental layout without prior discussion.
The idea is to split away the community stuff from the encyclopedia content (to a separate Wikipedia:Main Page, to be created), and to have more information about the dynamically changed links (to make the Main Page more exciting and fun to read).
Note that I have only tested this in Moz so far so if anything looks broken in another browser, it probably is. —Eloquence 05:51, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
The article Aegyptus says: "In Greek mythology, Aegyptus, or Aigýptos ("supine goat") was the king of Egypt (which took its name from him)"
But the article List of country name etymologies says: "Egypt: "temple of the soul of Ptah"
Encyclopaedias should not give flatly contradictory statements about matters of fact. Does anyone care to arbitrate this question? Adam 01:44, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I don't see it as contradictory. The once source says that that's the case according to Greek mythology, that doesn't mean it's necessarily true. RickK 04:47, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Agreed. What's contradictory about it? -- Wapcaplet 22:38, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I've already risen this question at the talk page: Talk:List of country name etymologies#Coherence with the main articles. No reaction so far. The article gave me an impression of low credibility: kind of "housewife etymology". Mikkalai 23:22, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
There's an article (namely Scheme (mathematics), but that's unimportant) that I'd like to rewrite from scratch because I think I can do a better job than the present version. However, producing the new version is likely to take me a number of days, perhaps weeks. Is there some way to keep both versions easily accessible, so that people can view the old version (or choose to view the new one) while the new one is still work in progress?
I was thinking of creating the new version under a different name (something like "Scheme (mathematics) (rewrite)"), linking the new version near the top of the old version during the transition period, and, when the new version is finished, renaming both the old and new versions. Is this an acceptable policy? If not, how should I proceed?
I think this question should be mentioned somewhere in the FAQs (even if it's not actually frequently asked...), because I'm sure I'm not the only one to think "I can do better than this article", but not dare to undertake a major rewrite because having to do it all in a single edit is too hard. Any thoughts?
-- Gro-Tsen 01:05, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
discussion at --> Wikipedia:Village pump/February 2004 archive 2
There's a dispute going on about how to format the footers that we are currently adding to pages such as those of countries. The dispute is between these two formats:
Where would a vote on a matter like this preferably take place? Thanks -- Timwi 22:49, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The Han character on the logo means 'ancestor'. It is very distracting. We should change it to something more appropriate. -- Kaihsu 20:37, 2004 Feb 15 (UTC)
At the time, Nohat admitted that he couldn't read Chinese character, so he chose one randomly, hoping it wouldn't be something unpleasant. -- Menchi 01:04, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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Is it possible to add New pages to a watchlist? Bevo 16:51, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I am trying to add this link to Hank Williams III and it doesn't want to work right. It makes my tooth hurt when it links to a Ja Rule article ;( Sam Spade 12:59, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
spawned from above thread: The FOLDOC articles are more of a challenge [with regards GFDL], though. Martin 21:42, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Martin has pointed out that material licenced under the GNU FDL requires a statement on the "Title Page", raising issues on how to present content imported from Nupedia.
continued at Wikipedia talk:Nupedia and Wikipedia
What's the policy regarding "see also" or "related topics" links in articles? Some of them have literally dozens of links, some that seem only marginally related. For example, the article Homosexuality includes no less than 84 links to "related articles," including to frottage, oral sex and mutual masturbation, and that's in addition to the external links. Exploding Boy 00:29, Feb 15, 2004 (UTC)
discussion at --> Wikipedia talk:Boilerplate text
--> Wikipedia:Village pump/February 2004 archive 2
I seem to be the subject of attacks by User:wik. He seems to be under the misconception that I am another Wikipedian and he vandalises my user page. I was under the impression that wik was under a ban, so I readded user:Jiang's link to the ban page of wik. I can usually stay away from these sort of detrimental activities on Wikipedia, but I seem to have been targetted. I think that this issue needs to be resolved immediately. user:Muriel Gottrop said two wrongs don't make a right in the edit summary on my userpage, but I wasn't aware that I did anything wrong. Thanks! --Ed Senft ! 17:19, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I looked at Carinatae which still claims that the turkey has no carina. The last edit was on 8 Sep 2002 when I asked about it on the talk page. No one's answered. Does anyone know some examples of non-ratite birds which really have no carina? - phma 16:17, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Misinformation and rumors about the September 11, 2001 attacks seems to be protected. Who did it and why? Arno 07:07, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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Since policy decisions are all amok right now, I'd like clarification - I'm not sure if this is the place to talk about this though. User:Plautus satire needs to be banned. In the ~10 hours he's been here, he's made 3 good edits (his first 3), lots of bad ones, lots of reverts, started 3 edit wars, and gotten 3 out of the 4 pages he's "contributed" to protected. I would do it myself, but I'm involved in the conflicts. →Raul654 23:46, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)
What is the relation between PG & WB (and other e-text projects)? (mutual copying, referncing, cooperation, etc.) BTW, it would be useful for the latter list to mention something about "access rules" for each listed digital library: using, copying, licensing. Mikkalai 23:37, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I wanted information about a pediatric nurse. I 'm going to a health career school but I'm not sure what a pediatric nurse does I want to do something that has to do with taking care of infants and toddlers in the hospitol's Could you please send me information on what type of nurse that it?
As we all know:
"Images uploaded between January 24 and January 28 are currently not available due to a hardware problem with one of the web servers. We should have the files recovered sooner or later, but feel free to re-upload anything you uploaded in that period to restore it immediately."
When will this problem be over? --
user:zanimum
Afaik the server's hd is pretty broken, but should be physically accessible soon (Jason plans to get the old servers today). Attempts to recover the data should be much easier with physical access. -- Gabriel Wicke 23:58, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Does anybody know of an attempt to "map" the Wikipedia similar to say:
http://research.lumeta.com/ches/map/
the Internet mapping project?
Is there a reason why links to Media:Nosuchmedium don't appear red? See User:TUF-KAT/Samples of music from the United States -- not all of those clips have been uploaded yet, and I have no way of knowing whether or not the links are working. I've had to change a few in between when I made the list and the clips got uploaded (the program I used to convert from mp3 to ogg and select a clip couldn't handle accents in titles, for example), but I may have missed some and have no way to tell without clicking on each link. Tuf-Kat 05:23, Feb 11, 2004 (UTC)
We had a vandalbot attack today on meta. No big deal, just a couple of minutes worth of cleanup. But I wanted to make sure people know what to do when this happens. So I created a meta page on the subject, m:Vandalbot. -- Tim Starling 00:12, Feb 11, 2004 (UTC)
I erroneously moved Talk:World War II atrocities to World War II atrocities in Poland. Sorry for screwing up.
The folloiwng should be undone by an admin: Talk:World War II atrocities must be restored, and World War II atrocities in Poland/ Talk:World War II atrocities in Poland deleted.
BTW, could it be a good idea to forbid such kind of page move? Mikkalai 21:17, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'd be grateful for advice on an issue regarding place naming conventions in Kosovo (i.e. whether we follow international practice or one or the other practices of the rival national communities, which present POV problems). I've posted an appeal for advice on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (places)#Disputed place names - advice needed about a week ago but haven't had any responses yet. If anyone could offer some assistance, it would be much appreciated. -- ChrisO 10:49, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
For anyone who may care, because I know this was a controversial project when we first launched a month ago, we now have an attempted template for writing about ethnic groups, nations (in the sense of peoples, not states), tribes, etc. It's further discussed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic Groups, which also points to 5 examples of applying the template. Some of the articles that we've tried reworking this way were not so great to begin with, and of course applying a template doesn't solve all of their problems, but I, for one, think it is an improvement in every case. Comments eagerly solicited; my current plan is to until 15 Feb 04 for comments, then (barring unforeseen serious objections) supersede the 5 articles currently in the wikipedia (nothing significant is dropped, just added), and take the notice off of the template that warns that it is "only a draft." -- Jmabel 02:27, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I am a contributor on Wikinfo. Some Wikipedia users have been coming over to Wikinfo and inadvertantly creating user pages.
It seems that there is a misunderstanding and that some Wikipedia users think that Wikinfo has "stolen" all of the Wikipedia user pages for some nefarious reason.
This is not true. Wikinfo has an automatic import feature. If you go look for your Wikipedia user page and that user page does not exist on Wikinfo then Wikinfo takes advantage of Wikipedia's XML export feature and presents that page to you and asks you if you want to save it to the Wikinfo database. You can say no.
Wikinfo ONLY IMPORTS WHAT WIKIPEDIA WILLINGLY EXPORTS UNDER GFDL. Wikipedia exports user pages under GFDL via XML. Normally nobody at Wikinfo really has a need to steal any user pages.
I am only a contributor, and don't speak for Wikinfo. But it is somewhat irritating to see people suddenly appear, import their Wikipedia user page, and then call us thieves for stealing them. LOL. Thank you for listening. 24.144.15.243 04:12, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
See Wikipedia_talk:Votes for deletion#VOTE:_NEW_LAYOUT_FOR_VFD!
Though I am sure I will speak in a deep void, I will just state that it is utterly ridiculous to remove recipees from encyclopedia; And it is not because there is a book somewhere to hold these recipees, that they should disappear from here. You people probably only eat plastic steaks and aspartam coca cola if you are able to realise that food in part of culture in some countries, and that understanding how people eat, how they prepare food, what they eat is cultural, not just a plain stupid recipee to hide in a book. Do not expect to ever understand some cultures, such as the french one in doing so.
Anthère0 11:38, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The wikipedian with the most aggressive appearance decides.
--
Ruhrjung 11:48, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I don't think we're advocating removing articles on food, just recipes. For example, turkey (food) used to be a recipe for cooking turkey, but it has now been turned into a very encyclopedic non-recipe article. Explaining food, its uses, its cultural connotations, etc., is encyclopedic, but things like "2 cups sugar; bake in the oven at 350 degrees for 18-22 minutes" aren't. -- Delirium 12:25, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)
A recipee is
And the recipe portion shouldn't have been deleted because it was a single example of a recipe for that food dish, not a cookbook full of them. The encyclopedia should have comprehensive coverage of food styles around the world, including a selection of recipes to illustrate them. That's in part because they vary depending on the local climate and agriculture, as well as the general culture. Those examples and styles should should link to the cookbook for a more comprehensive selection of recipes and the cookbook itself should have the exhausitve selection of recipes. At the moment, those creating the new cookbook have been too enthusiastic in deleting recipe examples, without due regard to what the encyclopedia needs for it's coverage.
Jamesday
Food articles should have something like "please see wikibook link here for a list or recipes involving this food" That way we keep it in the family and keep the article traditionally enclopedic theresa knott 12:41, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hi all,
Jimbo is coming June-July to Europe. We are already organising Meetings in Berlin, Munich, Genoa and Paris.
But no one stood up yet for London or somewhere in the UK. I think it would be nice to meet there as well.
Please add your Ideas at Wikipedia:Meetup
Thanks :-) Fantasy 19:15, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Discussion about whether recipes belong in Wikipedia. (Moved to List_of_recipes/delete as per Gentgeen's suggestion)
It would be really nice to have a better way of inputing and editing phonetic notation. I've worked out a little example, whose conventions are loosely based on Tipa, a phonetics package for LaTeX:
Example sentence: "Dubbs asked his brother what it was like in the other world, and his brother said it was not unlike Cleveland."
Editing form of phonetic transcription: <ipa> [d2bz #askt hIz br2Dr#& w2t It w2z layk In Di 2Dr#& wr#&ld n#&d Iz br2Dr#& sEd It w2z nat @nlayk klivln#&d]</ipa>
Display form: [dʌbz æskt hɪz brʌðr̩ wʌt ɪt wʌz layk ɪn ði ʌðr̩ wr̩ld n̩d ɪz brʌðr̩ sɛd ɪt wʌz nat ənlayk klivln̩d]
(Character 809 is supposed to be a non-spacing diacritic, but my browser gets it wrong.)
GregLee 13:03, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I wonder if anyone can tell me the significance of the toucan as sybolism, as well as the baby Buddha, rear-end raised in the air wearing glasses.
Thank you for your help.
Sincerely,
Eleanor Mason
You may contact me at
nornorny123@aol.com
May I draw your attention to my website, http://www.onetel.net.uk/~jnjones You will find there a full length book about bisexuality, COMING CLEAN ABOUT BISEXUALITY: A MALE PERSPECTIVE which I believe to be important. This can be downloaded without charge. Also you will find a brief document (also freely downloadable) relating to things needing to be done if the planet is to be sustainable. Sincerely, John Garrett Jones
Baggage Handling Systems for
cruise Terminal
Trees would be nice, too. Here's an example, using an indentation convention that I find very convenient:
Editing form
<tree>
S NP Det - the N N N - science N N - book -s PP P - on NP Det - the N - table VP V V - fell Adv A - sudden -ly PP P - to NP Det - the N - floor
</tree>
Display form (ascii)
S ______________|_______________ | | NP VP _____|______ ______|______ | | | | Det N V PP | ______|______ ___|____ ___|____ the | | | | | | N PP V Adv P NP ___|____ ___|____ | __|__ | ___|___ | | | | fell | | to | | N N P NP A -ly Det N | _|__ | ___|___ | | | science | | on | | sudden the floor N -s Det N | | | book the table
Display form (Unicode box drawing characters)
S ┌─────────────┴──────────────┐ │ │ NP VP ┌────┴─────┐ ┌─────┴─────┐ │ │ │ │ Det N V PP │ ┌─────┴─────┐ ┌──┴───┐ ┌──┴───┐ the │ │ │ │ │ │ N PP V Adv P NP ┌──┴───┐ ┌──┴───┐ │ ┌─┴─┐ │ ┌──┴──┐ │ │ │ │ fell │ │ to │ │ N N P NP A -ly Det N │ ┌┴─┐ │ ┌──┴──┐ │ │ │ science │ │ on │ │ sudden the floor N -s Det N │ │ │ book the table
GregLee 13:56, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Whoops. I should have put this in the feature request area. Sorry. GregLee 15:03, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
i want you to send the names of god fathers of philosophy and six defination of philosophy with the author of them.send reply to this mail address :-innocential2002@yahoo.com.
does the famicom games play on an american super NES?
does the famicom games play on an american super NES?
Yes, but the Famicom cartridges have a differant form factor, so it requires a adapter, I believe Honeywell made one. Thunderbolt16
Q. Michael Landon............ TV star When he was dying he had a particular sound track or music album that he had playing all the time until he actually passed away. Do you know what that music was? I would appreciate an answer please. - Gordon Screen from Australia
Please take this to Wikipedia:Reference Desk
According to Wikipedia:How-to:
Both were written before Wikibooks: was created for "developing and disseminating free, open content textbooks and other classroom texts". Not a few of the how-to previously included in Wikipedia have been moved there.
The current situation is less than satisfactory, teachers look at our main page and Wikipedia:How-to and suggest to their students to write how-tos for a task, deletionists use a "how-to" argument for anything that has "How-to" in the title.
Should we continue to have how-tos in Wikipedia or not? Should any type of procedural description be excluded? Is it just classroom-projects and IKEA-how-tos that shouldn't be included? -- User:Docu
A solution for recipes appears to be that they are to be included (see also Talk:List_of_recipes/Delete, not necessarily with all steps, quantities and variations though). If we leave out the procedural part, they might as well end up in Wiktionary.
In another field, Algorithms on Wikipedia are described in pseudocode to allow to understand how they work. The Meta:reading level of most of us seems to need that "instructional part". -- User:Docu
Question: What happens when a page which is actively discussed as potentially inappropriate for Wikipedia, regularly on VfD or argued heatedly about on its talk page, and so on -- what happens when such a page is about a particular person or group, and that person or group contacts WP to ask that the page be removed? Does this carry weight in the VfD and similar discussions? Is there a procedure for formally and politely getting a page about one's own life or affairs removed? Of course nothing can be done about mirrors or copies of the 'pedia elsewhere, but is there a way of asking (and receiving permission for) future versions of WP to leave out such a targetted page? I would imagine that often the reason for wanting a controversial page to be actively left out is, the desire NOT to have the primary content associated with one's name/group to be ANGRY TALK-PAGE RANTS about the content, or reversion thereof, on the page...
Case I: Brianism. Lots of people wanted the page to go away, accused the page authors of trying to promote a small sect; the sect itself found out about the whole mess and wrote a public letter asking that its page be removed. Upshot: Brianism is still here; many W'pedians want the page to go away, while others want it to stay; the open letter is still up on the official Brianist website.
Csae II: Richard Genovese. Modern-day artist has resume-like bio pasted-in and wikified by a sequence of both anon users and old-timers; it is put on VfD multiple times without reaching consensus; emotions run high due to connections with older related 'is this important enough to be here' issues [cf. DCB]; W'pedians variously claim it is self-promotion or non-encyclopedic. An anonymous user claiming to be RG himself tries to blank out the page, replacing it with a LONG ALL-CAPS NOTE ABOUT HOW HE DOESN'T WANT A PAGE ABOUT HIS LIFE OR WORK ON WIKIPEDIA and would W'pedia kindly stop trying to maintain such a page. Currently: RG is still here, and still on VfD; Morwen recently protected it to keep the recent user from engaging in a reversion-war; no verification that the angry user is the subject of the article; no verification that the subject of the article is important or famous enough to be included in W'pedia. +sj+ 08:16, 2004 Feb 25 (UTC)
For convenience, Sandbox maintainers can now replace headers with one " sandbox " message, instead of having to type " sandbox" and the comment manually. HTH Dysprosia 07:57, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Special:Whatlinkshere/National_capital_territory and Special:Whatlinkshere/Talk:National_capital_territory give scores of Village pump links. What's up? -- Paddu 10:21, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The stats pages are now build from the logs between 5 Feb - now. They are at http://wikimedia.org/stats/{DOMAIN}/, for example http://wikimedia.org/stats/en.wikipedia.org/. -- Gabriel Wicke 20:38, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'm doing a project about R.E.M., and I would like to know how did the social- economic circumstances, influenced the band's music in general, and how did it affect the writing of "It's the end of the world as we know it (and I feel fine)".
Thank You.
i wish to donate you information on terrorism topic. can i have your email address please at savinderd5@aol.com
Forwarded Message: Subj: (no subject) Date: 28/02/2004 23:15:38 GMT Standard Time From: Savinderd5 To: president@whitehouse.gov CC: vice.president@whitehouse.gov
FOR THE ATTENTION OF FBI. 28-2-2004
Dear Sir,
I have got great problems. I am a resident of uk and unfortunatley i have found out that a hell lot of crime is done on your country by an organsied criminal gang and that is done on orders by an English demonic,satanic and most evil man i had ever met or saw on the television or in any horror films from the Hollywood or Bollywood from India.
I must meet your agents and discuss the whole subject with you, unless you can ask your USA embassy personal to record what i have to say.
There should be about three such responsible personals to record what i have to say.
Nasty things had started to happen to me when an English man came into our office in 1974.
He had some demonic side to him.
I just could not lay my finger to his dirty and demonic side in the beginning.
I had put down to his hobby of tapping my phone and bugging my house.
His obsession then increased from that to have me followed me about to the shops and so on.
The dirty side of that man is seen when he started escorting men on me.
When i had reported of his illicit activity to the police, i then found out that he has got very many corrupt police friends.
However his police friends caused me a shock on 5-7-84.
The story did not end there.
Prior to that in 1978, my home conversation had leaked out but there were no bugs in our house.
In 1983, a programe came on BBC Tv on " telepathy" when a USA woman called as Mrs william was shown to have some para-normal powers and she can see things at 5000 miles away.
In other words it means that she can read thoughts of people at any time.
I strongly believe that, although on the front it was shown that Mrs William was telepathic but I strongly believe that but underneath, it is that man who had worked under the same roof as me from 1974 to 1978.
I have to inform you about the dangerous side of that man. He had been bugging my home and taking drastic action and things had happened when i had spoken of someone or had discussed something.
I do not know how to inform you that i strongly believe that this man has got a gang in Uk that also have a branch in Iraq.
I had recently said in my house saying " hellow,telepath, instead of reading and bugging my thoughts or conversation, why don't you go and help your UK and USA forces and smell the presence of sons of Saddam Hussain and win that reward."
Next day,the sons were dead.
{ That can only be happening if this telepath man had known where the sons were and to know that,he must have a gang in Iraq who had hidden the sons. }
After many days i said the same thing again , saying " now ,you should sniff out Saddam Hussain and win that reward"
next day Saddam Hussain was sniffed out.
{ That can only happen if saddam Hussain was housed by a man who ids known to Uk gang }
OTHER EXAMPLES FROM THE PAST
In the past, i was shopping in Marks and Spenser and i said " what a beautiful USA Navy woman "
a message came and said"" what a beautiful Bay ""
{ Please note that I will not at the moment inform you how i got that message }
Next day or two later after that message ,i had recieved , a terrorist attack took place on your USA Navy ship in OMAN BAY.
Same way , prior to the terrorism in New York and in Washington, i had messages in the form of coded words and those words related to New York and Washington in many ways.
example=
In New York I have a friend whose husband has got a surname called as " BAJWA"
AND IN WASHINGTON I KNOW A WOMAN WHOSE NAME IS CALLED AS "DEESH""
The coded message i had recieved prior to the terrorism in those two cities was as listed below and then i will give you an explanation of each coded wording too.
coded message
=============
bajwa, deesh,sava lakh se ek laraoon,turn around,bin badal bersat,hell broke out.
interpretation of above message
============================
Bajwa====it meant that something nasty will happen in New York where Bajwa is living.
Deesh= It meant that something nasty will happen in Washington where Deesh is living.
sava lakh se ek laroon===it means that i will kill many people using just one person { a quotation from our Sikh religion .I am a SIKH FROM INDIA . OUR GURU NUMBER 10 HAD SAID THREE HUNDRED YEARS AGO THAT HIS SIKH ARMY MEN WILL BE SO BRAVE THAT ONE MAN WILL KILL ONE MILLION MOSLEMS . I think in the case of terrorism, the mesage had meant that i will kill many Americans with just a few men on the aeroplin. }
Turn round == It had meant to convey me the message that the third aeroplain will turn around and will not reach its destination and that is exactly what had happened in reality.
BIN BADAL BERSAT===== It means that there will be a rainfall without a cloud.
In your case,it meant that there will be a rainfall of debris when the aeroplain will collide the trade centre building.
Hell broke out==== it means that hell will break out and there will be deaths.
i had also recieved a coded mesage a day or two prior to the blowing up of the statue of LORD BUDHA IN AFGANISTAN.
I was talking at my home about if Buddism was ever popular in India.
Then next day, i got that coded message that said" THE STATUE GONE ""
Next day i heard the news or read in the paper that TELEBAN HAD BLOWEN UP THE STATUE OF BUDHA IN AFGANSITAN.
THE ABOVE ARE ONLY SOME EXAMPLES THAT INTEREST YOU AND ARE APPLICABLE TO YOUR COUNTRY.
i CAN INFORM YOU THAT SOME CRIMINAL GANG MAY HAVE GOT INTO THE MI5 AND MI6 AS THE ENGLISH ARE A VERY CORRUPTIBLE RACE AND WHOEVER WINE THEM AND DINE THEM, THEY START SMEELING THEIR HORMONES ALIKE THE DOGS DO.
I have established from the above coded messages and things that happen to me that there are groups in the Uk and in Iraq and in Afhganistan that are related to each other and run by the underworld criminal gang.
Their main aim was to make money from the reward.
I can say that they had lead USA to take a fight against Saddam Hussain,issue a reward option and then once the reward was offered, the criminal gang then claimed that reward after giving a tip off.
The gang had won the confidence of Saddam Sussain and hid him but only to hand him over to the army after the reward was confirmed or announced.
THAT MAKES YOUR COUNTRY VERY UNSTABLE AS THEN THE HEADQUARTERS OF TERRORISM MUST BE IN UK WHERE THERE IS NO DEATH PENALITY.
UK WILL THUS BE A SAFE HAVEN IN THE FUTURE.
I have to give you this information as this demonic man can also kill people with his telepathy powers, causing sickness such as berybertry, multiple sclorosis or alikes of acerebeller ataxia that makes the muscular system very weak so much so that one can not even swallow food, sit,stand or walk or lift any limb.
He is thus a Dracula WHO PRETENDS TO BE NOW A TELEBAN AND ALIKE A TELEBAN HE THINKS HE CAN PUNISH THE INDIAN WOMAN AND HAVE A CONTROLE ON HER.
{ If I am the target, then I have never met anyone in my entire life who will do me any wrong other than that English man who had worked under the same roof as me in a civil service office from 1974 -1978 but he had never left me alone for a second ever since then. }
i had suffred a hell from this demonic man .
But the police of UK did nothing for me.
Why should they ?
Why should they when they are going to benefit from the Iraq war as the UK USA SUPPORT AND and made use of president Bush to fight a war against Iraq under false pretences.
PLEASE BELIEVE ME, THERE WAS NEVER ANY TERRRISM FROM SADDAM HUSSAIN SIDE AS I HAD BEEN READING THE PAPERS AND CO RELATING THE CODED MESSAGES AND HAD COME TO KNOW THAT THE WAR WAS INVENTED BY AN UNDERWORLD CRIMINAL GANG.
BUT SOMEONE HAD WANTED TO GET RID OF SADDAM HUSSAIN.
TO GET RID OF SADDAM HUSSAIN, UK HAD HAD NEEDED USA ARMY.
TO GET USA ARMY IS NOT AN EASY TASK.
WHAT MUST THEN UK DO TO GET USA ARMY ?
UK MUST DO SOME TERRORISM AGAINST USA AND PUT THE BLAME ON SADDAM HUSSAIN AND THAT WAY GET PRESIDENT BUSH TO WORK FOR UK.
Thus Uk criminal gang got hold of some mentally sick Moslems and brainwashed them or drugged them to damage their brains so that they have nothing better to do then to kill themselves and make themselves martyres.
PLEEASE BELIEVE ME, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THIS TELEPATHY GANG TO SEND YOU SUCH BRAINWASHING MESSAGES EVERY EACH SECOND OF THE DAY , UNTIL THE VICTIM DOES WHAT HE OR SHE IS TOLD TO DO.
Thus Uk had used USA.
Once the terrorism was done, USA was ready to fight and get rid of Saddam Hussain.
BUT WHAT WILL THE UNDERWORL CRIMNAL GANG GET FROM THIS WAR ?
FOR THAT THE CRIMNAL GANG GOT USA PRESIDENT TO ISSUE A REWAD OPTION.
ONCE THAT WAS DONE, THEN INFORM THE USA ARMY OF THE WHERE ABOUT OF THE SONS AND KILL THE SONS FIRST AND SEE IF THE REWARD WAS PAID.
AFTER THAT GET SADDAM HUSSAIN TOO.
I HAD THUS TOLD YOU THAT THE WAR WAS ALL PLANNED BY UNDERWORLD CRIMINAL GANG AND I ALWAYS GET THE MESSAGES.
AS I HAD SAID ABOVE, { If I am the target, then I have never met anyone in my entire life who will do me any wrong other than that English man who had worked under the same roof as me in a civil service office from 1974 -1978 but he had never left me alone for a second ever since then. I KLNOW THE NAME OF THAT MAN AND HIS PAST ADDRESS AND ALL ABOUT HIS OBSESSION OF ME. THAT SHIT OF ENGLISH ORIGIN CAN LICK MY ARCEHOLE ON A DAILY BASIS UNDER CAMERS AS I HAVE NONE INTEREST IN HIM. MY GOOD MORNING HAD COST ME A LOSS OF THREE OF MY UNBORN CHILDREN AND ALL MY TEETH WENT LOOSE JUST ALIKE A FLASH OF LIGHT INSTTANTLY. I fear if he gets people to even poison me in birthday cakes .}
THE AIM OF THIS MAN IS TO KILL ME BY STRESS AND BY DEATH MESSAGES.
I ALSO THINK THAT THIS GANG GETS FUNDS VIA THE TELEPATHY AND BY EXTORTION RACKET.
E,G TO GET FUNDS FROM A RICH MOSLEM, THIS GANG WILL SEND A TELEPATHY MESSAGE ASKING FOR FUNDS each second of the day and night until the victim pays .
The threat may be pay or we make you mentally so sick so much so that you will kill yourself as a punishment to you., OR ELSE LOOSE YOUR BRAIN.
INOTHERWORDS, THE GANG CAN DAMAGE THE BRAIN.
I THINK THAT THE VICTIM WHO HAS GOT A WEAKER BRAIN OR WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING TO HIM OR HER WILL END UP PAYING SO THAT HE SAVES HIS BRAIN FROM GETTING TELEPATHY MESSAGES.
TELEPATHY MESSAGES COME IN THE FORM OF SICKNESS.
IF YOU TELL SOME ONE ,THEN OTHER PEOPLE WILL THINK THAT YOU ARE A NUT.
IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT BE ALSO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEM.
IDEAS TO DONATE MONEY CAN BE INDUCED TOO.
IDEAS TO CHANGE YOUR WILLS CAN BE INDUCED TOO.
IDEAS FOR YOU TO THINK OF ANOTHER MAN OR WOMAN CAN BE INDUCED INTO YOU TOO.
SOMEONE CAN BE PLANTED ON YOU WHERE YOU DO NOT EXPECT THAT PERSON TO MEET YOU AS SOME ONE ALREADY KNOWS WHERE YOU ARE AT ANY GIVEN TIME OF THE DAY.
SAME WAY IDEAS TO DO TERRRISM CAN BE INDUCED TOO.
I THINK THAT THIS GANG HAD INDUCED THE IDEAS TO DO SUICIDE TERRORSM.
FOR TO GET A PERSON TO BE A SUICIDE TERRRIST,THEIR BRAINS ARE DRUGGED WITH CHEMICALS SUCH AS LEAD. ONCE DAMAGED,THEY CAN BE BRABWASHED INTO KILLING THEMSELVES AND MAKING USE OF THEIR LIFE FOR THE SAKE OF ISLAM.
HAVING SAID ABOVE, I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME, YOUR USA EMBASSY CAN INVITE ME, AND JUST PAY FOR MY TAXY TO AND FROM MY HOME.
OR JUST INTERVIEW ME IN MY NEAREST POLICE STATION AT WEMBLEY.
I CAN INFROM YOU THAT POLICE IN THE UK IS CORRUPT.
THAT MAN HAS GOT VERY MANY CORRUPT POLICE FRIENDS.
Please trust me, this man hates me and your country too due to the fact that i like the USA and USA as i had been seeing so many hollywood films.
You may think that this English man is a genious, but he is an evil man whose will suck all your blood and still not be guilty.
To rob things belonging to others is his old hobby.
He had done a crime on me for the last 30 years and had taken a toll out of my health.
I am also ready to go on television if you want to expose all what i had said in this email as each and everything i had written is correct.
WHAT I ADVISE IS THAT IF YOU HAD NOT AS YET PAID ANY BOUNTY REWARD TO ANYONE, PLEASE DO NOT PAY AS THEY ARE AN UNDERWORLD CRIMNAL GANG CLOSELY RESEMBLING KIDNAPPERS STYLE.
THUS THE IRAQ WAR WAS INVENTED,PLANNED AND PROVOKED BY UNDERWORLD CRIMNAL GANG AND WAS NOT A PRODUCT OF POLITICS.
ALSO KEEP A GOOD TRACK OF THOSE WHO GOT BOUNTY.
BUT NEVER HANDOVER SADDAM HUSSAIN TO THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ AS THAT WILL DO YOUR COUNTRY A LOT HARM IN THE FUTURE .
KEEPING HIM ALIVE WILL BENEFIT YOU,UNFOLD THE CONSPIRACY AND SADDAM HUSSAIN WILL MAY BE SHED LIGHT ON HIS DECEPTICE RELATIONS WHO HAD CAUSED HIS ARREST.
SEND ME YOUR FAX NUMBER PLEASE
faithfully,
savinder Dhadli
Subj: Fwd: (no subject) Date: 29/02/2004 05:30:37 GMT Standard Time From: Savinderd5 To: president@whitehouse.gov CC: vice.president@whitehouse.gov
Subj: Fwd: (no subject) Date: 29/02/2004 05:30:37 GMT Standard Time From: Savinderd5 To: president@whitehouse.gov CC: vice.president@whitehouse.gov
If it is at least frowned upon to have multiple accounts, is it possible to have them merged somewhere (given that such thing already exists for IP addresses)? -- Dissident 19:10, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I uploaded this image, but something seems to be wrong with it. Check the file size of the current version. Now, click on the image, and check the size of the file. Aha, you got it - they don't agree. What's wrong here? Can somebody help me?
Fibonacci 23:42, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I have a question here for people who contribute to Wikis in other languages. On the english wikipedia, I very, very rarely run across articles translated from other languages. In all the time I've been here, I've run across *maybe* 2. My question is - how common are translated articles on the Wikis? Do they tend to be one area (like science), or are they well distributed? What is the quality of a translated article? →Raul654 08:51, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
I've probably done about two dozen translated articles (into English) myself, mostly on cultural topics; usually when I do this, I find that I need to add a little more, because there are often cultural references that cannot be presumed clear to English-speakers. I've also done at least one on a scientific topic, adipose tissue, and I've often brought in material from other languages for an existing article, including expanding a stub to a full article. Some of the wikis (e.g. Romanian, Catalan) probably contain more translated content than not, at least on topics that don't specifically relate to the region where that language is spoken. Also, in this context, can I plug Wikipedia:Translation into English where you can request a translation of a foreign-language article into English (or sign up to help with that sort of work). -- Jmabel 23:27, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I can't access the Recent changes page. It keeps killing my browser. Anybody else having this problem? RickK 04:39, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Well, it seems to have come back. Wish I knew what happened. RickK 05:07, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
IE 6.0. RickK 22:55, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Well, I used to use Netscape till they did a major revision (was it 5.0?) which I absolutely hated, so I switched to IE. RickK 03:17, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
As you may notice, I am adding dozens of towns and villages articles. Given its number of articles added at a time, you may have some opinion about the format, naming or anything. Please come to Wikipedia:Wikiproject Japanese districts and municipalites to discuss this matter. Thanks. -- Taku 04:10, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
From my talkpage
Hi Taku, would you mind adding {{msg:stub}} at the end of those small articles you're adding? thanks, Dori | Talk 03:43, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
Has image formatting been changed recently? I have seen a few pages that look messed up now where previously they didn't. See for example: Vlorë (although you obviously can't see what it looked like previously). Dori | Talk 03:49, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
It looks fine to me. RickK 04:13, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I have collected screenshots of all Main Pages of 53 Wikipedias at [5]. Complete pages are shown (I used a virtual screen of 1000*3000 pixels, some really fill all that space). Images were reduced to 40% size, so texts are barely readable, but the overall layout can be easily compared this way. Erik Zachte 00:28, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I think it would be cool if we had a standard statement to go at the top of articles (along the lines of the Featured Article statement, Nominated for Deletion statement, etc) that, due to their presence in current events, will be often updated as new developments occur. Examples for the present would be 2004 Haiti Rebellion, U.S.-led occupation of Iraq, 76th Academy Awards (which, BTW, is very stubbish right now), Same-sex marriage in the United States, etc. Something maybe like This is an article for a currently-occuring event and will be updated as new developments occur, or something more eloquently-phrased. Garrett Albright 01:03, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I visited Lemon meringue pie after noting that someone edited it. It's a basic stub (and how) but clearly deserves its place in wikipedia. BUT. If someone embellishes it with a little history and adds informative content about how it's made, it will be removed from wikipedia. Moriori 22:15, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)
Take it to Talk:List of recipes/Delete. Martin
The stats pages are now built from the logs between 5 Feb - now. They are at http://wikimedia.org/stats/{DOMAIN}/, for example http://wikimedia.org/stats/en.wikipedia.org/. -- Gabriel Wicke 20:38, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
(Note: I have no scientific basis for the hypothesis I am about to put forth. All numbers are invented with the intention of striking your imagination.)
In light of the recent press release and Jimbo's conversations with "The Economist" and Yahoo, some concerns come to my mind. Are we really ready for the next spurt of growth? I mean, REALLY READY for a MAJOR, UNPRECEDENTED spurt?
Let's say Yahoo begins to use our content. After a month's time, the number of hits on our servers increases 12-fold. The number of editors increases 9-fold. The number of vandals triples. A growth spurt unparalleled in Wikipedia history. One of such size, it could collapse or paralyze Wikipedia.
I don't think such a scenario is far-fetched. We need to examine our experiences with previous growth spurts and the experiences of other websites (Friendster, Craigslist, Slashdot, etc.) and put together a plan of action to protect Wikipedia from such a population explosion.
Issues to consider:
Food for thought, Kingturtle 20:07, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
If it becomes a problem, we can block the googlebot. That'll slow down our growth. Martin 22:21, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
What are Wikipedia's (nascent?) connections with Yahoo! and The Economist? Can I read about on the website somewhere? Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 00:14, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
JeLuF has launched a design competition at meta:Image Box for people interested in changing the way thumbnails are displayed using the extended image syntax.
Note, this is for people who want to change the CSS which creates the (currently grey) boarder around the image, and what icon to use, if any – not for dicussing the ins and outs of how the images are resized and compressed on the fly. Voting is expected to begin on March 15, so all suggestions should be made by then. :) fabiform | talk 19:12, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I thought the following article/interview might interest you.
Sincerely, Byron Merritt Grandson of Frank Herbert
http://www.fwomp.com/Int_steinbeck.htm
Probably a newbie question, but I've just uploaded an image and am having trouble displaying it in an article. I think the code I'm using is OK, because if I change the image name in the code to another one that exists in the image list, it displays that image just fine. Any suggestions? -- Gary Jones 08:08, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)
For convenience, Sandbox maintainers can now replace headers with one "{{subst:sandboxpaste}}" message, instead of having to type "{{msg:sandbox}}" and the comment manually. HTH Dysprosia 07:57, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Today, I received the following note on my talk page.
I'm using IE 6.0, if that helps any. What should I do, and how can I fix this? Thanks very much, Meelar 06:31, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Ladies and gentlemen, it came to my attention that transliterations in articles about Russia became ridiculously fat (I don't know a better word). The most recent example:
I understand that all of them are of certain use, but the first sentence of the article becomes unreadable, not to say about a series of microedit wars. I am urging to find a better solution. Mikkalai 02:26, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Would the edit box toolbar please stop inserting a space under headings? First, the MoS states that there should be no heading. Second, if I were to defy the MoS like everyone else, I would be adding the space myself. -- Jia ng 01:21, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Does anybody know the whereabout of the artist Wanda Zagorska who painted the Black Madonna in approximately 1954? This painting was accepted by the Vatican in Rome.
This is an urgent matter
Please contact her sister's husband in Canada at e-mail address: morfw@shaw,ca
From the license:
functional and useful document "free" in the sense of freedom"
As I read it an image is not a document so it can be licensed.
Under which license should you release your pictures if not GNU Free Documentation License so they can be used under GNU Free Documentation License?
Chbs 00:25, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone know EoT's full username? I'm trying to remember and block the last few PHP/SQL/Proclamation only blocks, and I don't want to have to do a DB search for them. Thanks. Pakaran . 22:47, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Dispute over the name Sea of Japan needs urgent attention! The article is far from NPOV and there needs to be Wikipedia Naming Convention on this the name (to stop further unilateral changes). I suggest we use East Sea/ Sea of Japan at least in the Korean context. Maybe someone neutral can look into this (please!). Kokiri 22:19, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hi all,
I just wanted to let you know, that we have Wikipedians-meetings in Berlin and Munich every one or two months and it is really interresting/helpful/nice/... it's worth it.
So I just started the page Wikipedia:meetup, mybe some english speakers also want to meet or join one of the other meetings that are already happening.
See you :-) Fantasy 18:17, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
A convenient link to a) the set of messages and templates, or b) a place to discuss them, should be included with each message, like the section-edit links that are included with each section for long pages... These shortcuts are becoming more and more common, as the need for modular/scalable messaging grows and the elegance of article types increases through the creation of lovely mesg-based templates [cf, say, "calendar for February 2003"]. The annoyance factor in having to look at the "edit this page" source to find the mesg name, and then to remember to type in Mediawiki:{msg name} by hand to get the proper page, is significant.
For example, just now, I noticed that the month calendars should include links to the other months of the year, perhaps something like
J
F March 23
A
M
J
J
A
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<calendar body, w/ the 23d selected>
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Could someone up to speed with Imperial (English) units please take a look at the conversation on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aircraft/Table#Table_Size? Specifically, if the weight of an aircraft is being provided in a data table, should it conventionally be written "8,000-lbs" or "8,000 lbs"? -- Rlandmann 06:22, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Do we still have a page to report vandalism? If so, where is it? If not, do we report it here? If so, User 198.7.225.35 has been persistently vandalising Winged Victory of Samothrace. Can someone do something about this? Adam 01:33, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)