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Following on from some comments above, I am quite surprised that there are so many redirects and links to empty pages. These are not on the list of good things and may even be on the list of bad things. Is it possible to reduce their numbers using some form of search and replace mechanism?
Bobblewik 19:52, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
A link to an empty page can be positive. For example, on the Allen Iverson page, there's a link to the NBA Finals, a link that as you can see does not work yet. It's positive for 2 reasons: 1) Maybe someone will see it and decide to write the article, 2) Once the article is written, the link will become active (as long as the name is accurate).
But redirecting to an empty page is bad. Salasks 01:33, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)
Links to empty pages are good for the two reasons given by User:Salasks. Redirects to empty pages are also good, because they pre-emptively prevent duplicate articles being written. I have created redirects to empty pages when I know that eventually an article will be written on a subject with several names. By making the redirects first, I can make it more likely that the article, when it is written, will end up at the right place. The main problem with redirects to empty pages is that they don't show up as "red links" in the referring page (but that problem applies equally to links to substubs). Gdr 14:05, 2004 Aug 6 (UTC)
I've seen this get out of hand on some pages, such as EGovernment. In this example, my gut says many of the links go to terms that will never have articles created for them. -- Stevietheman 14:40, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The rectangular background to the Wikipedia symbol on the top left hand corner of the page has changed to green. Is this my browser problem or does everyone have it? Apwoolrich 18:50, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Green background is back again this morning, and yes, I too use Opera Apwoolrich 06:34, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
After a slight technical delay, the Arbitration Committee election is now open. To vote, go to Special:ArbComVote. Voting will continue through Friday, August 13. -- Michael Snow 16:39, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
There's been talk recently of improving Wikipedia:Peer review at Wikipedia talk:Peer review. It came about because too many people are using WP:FAC as a place to review their articles, some of which are obviously not featured level. This has been compounded by the fact that not many people know about the peer review page, and those who do use it often get no or little response (at least, I never have).
The suggested solution currently is to make peer review more like FAC – have discussions on the PR page itself, sorting entries in descending order, as well as a posible {{pr}} template. Please comment and discuss at Wikipedia talk:Peer review. Johnleemk | Talk 13:38, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Ok, this is weird. I noticed that Image:Lion.jpg was vandalized. I thought first it was a new image uploaded and the pages it is used on modified. Nope. So then I thought that it was a new file uploaded to the same name as the old file, so I got a clean copy of the image from one of our downsources and re-uploaded it. This didn't work either, as my clean, freshly uploaded file has the same vandalism on it. Might there be some hacker who has done something more serious in the way of vandalizing? - UtherSRG 13:34, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
There's still something screwy going on. My "clean" version that appeared to be vandalized after I uploaded it is now clean again. Very strange.Anyway, Chameleon, you need to add attribution to the new image you uploaded so as to keep us kosher. - UtherSRG 16:07, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
What's the policy of adding links to related web sites to an article's "External links" section? For example, linking to Pokémon fan sites from the Pokémon article, or Disney fan sites from a Disney article, or Windows discussion boards from a Windows article?
My own opinion is that Wikipedia is not meant to be a link repository, and if we allow a link to one fan site then we're going to have to allow links to every fan site. I figure that a user can use Google if he wants to find related web sites, so I usually delete "External links" to anything other than corporate web sites. If someone really wants to link to his own web site, he can use Yahoo or Dmoz.
The situation which raised this question is that someone edited Windows XP to add a link to his own personal page which has a Windows XP performance guide. I removed it, then he re-added the link. I don't want to get into an edit war with him, so I decided to ask here to find out if there's any official policy on the subject. - Brian Kendig 12:51, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
There are a lot (too many?) fan sites from Ken Jennings also. A page can easily get overwhelmed by fan sites, but one or two well-done fan sites can be helpful. Salasks 13:10, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)
My solution when faced with a multitude of fan sites on Lucy Lawless was to remove them all and replace them with a single link to the Lucy Lawless webring. -- ALargeElk | Talk 13:20, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Apparently, I have just received a notice that I should stop "vandalizing" articles. I acknowledge that I have edited several articles (prior to registering at Wikipedia, so "using" my IP address). However, I do not see that as "vandalizing". I would like to be informed of what exactly is seen as my "vandalizing" Wikipedia articles. (I am posting this as a general/public discussion because I do not know who sent me the notice.) Aecis
What about the idea of adding special types of the "Random Page" function. Perhaps pages that only choose from:
Just an idea
I hope there is a good html designing software other than frontpage
While I was working with [[Category:Rivers]], some interesting things happened:
I creating two new subcategories ([[Category:Hawaiian rivers]], and [[Category:Middle Eastern rivers]]) and labeled articles in the new subcategories, as appropriate. But for some reason they still remain in the larger [[Category:Rivers]]. Anyone know why this is happening or how I can fix it?-- Neutrality 01:28, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
could somebody explain or change Category:Unified Team gymnast to the plural as I am unsure how to do it?? thank you Scraggy4 00:44, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I have created an add-on to the TextPad text editor to help with editing Wikipedia pages offline. It is a "clip library" that works much like the Wikipedia editing toolbar: you can click to make selected text bold, insert a link, etc. It also includes some templates which I believe to be among the most commonly used, or relevant for this kind of editing. The file is available at Media:Wikipedia_syntax_and_templates.TCL; to install it, just copy it into the Samples subfolder of your TextPad installation.
Comments and suggestions are very welcome. If there's interest, I can try to put together something to help with tables, timelines, or the rest of the templates. -- AlexG 22:37, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I have been banned from a few sites, without warning or explanation. I explain it all in my article "Getting Banned from Other Blog Sites" at:
www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com
I call this unannounced, unexplained action "cold kicking". It's being banned from a web site, assumedly for posting something that must've "offended" someone. I'd like some word to be included in the wonderful wikipedia, that would denote this action.
"Cold kicking" or "web ban" or "online ostracization" or whatever.
from cleanup:
I accidently moved Fort Benning to Fort Benning, Texas—I intended to move it to Fort Benning, Georgia. I manually moved the page to Fort Benning, Georgia, but I don't know how to move its history (which is now at Fort Benning, Texas). Mateo SA
--The article was actually moved from Fort Benning, Georgia to Fort Benning a few months ago, so maybe the article should be at Fort Benning after all. But when I tried to move the article from Fort Benning, Texas back to Fort Benning, it said there was already an article there (which isn't true, now it's just a redirect), and it said to contact an admin; I can't move it to Fort Benning, Georgia either. Both the history and the text are now at Fort Benning, Texas, but Fort Benning's not in Texas. So the page and it's history should be moved either to Fort Benning or Fort Benning, Georgia, whichever's proper. So if an admin could move it, that'd be nice. Salasks 17:52, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
I've heard many things about how the majority of those who visit Wikipedia come only to read articles, and that a small minority actually contribute. I was wondering if there is anywhere to find good statistics relating to these facts. Also, does anyone know how many anon IPs make minor corrections (spelling, grammar, typos...) compared to those who only read? Just interested in finding out about the dynamics of the wiki. — siro χ o 12:48, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
Is there a convenient way to suppress the error messages that are generated when using a copy of the wikipedia that doesn't include the 4G (!) image collection (or any of the other Wiki-projects, since no images are exported for those)? Or better still, a simple way (maybe just a one or two line query) to rewrite the image links so that they all link to some harmless padding image?
Is there any way of finding, or addressing, wikipedians of specific nationalities? For instance, is there a list where I could get to acknowledge that I'm willing to be known to be Swedish? Or is the Village Pump the best place to give a shout for help from, say, Dutch editors? The Cornelis Vreeswijk article, that I've been expanding, could really do with some input from Dutch speakers. If you are one, please check out the article's talk page, where I have left a fuller note. Bishonen 12:04, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I may just be ignorant (which I ought not to be in my position, but still), are anon talk pages deleted after a period of time? Given that a lot of people don't seem to read the disclaimer down the bottom, and some messages like {{test}} are ambiguous enough that someone might think that they're directed at them when they were not meant to be, the messages on these pages could well scare people off. I assume that they are purged, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. TPK 06:53, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Could someone go to "Ä?etnici" at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=194.152.246.2, copy what is there to Talk:Chetniks, delete the article and kill all links to it? I can't even see the article. Nikola 05:09, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I noticed that on VfD people often vote to transwiki to WikiBooks (esp recipes) or Wiktionary (dicdefs) and also came across this page Wikipedia:Things to be moved to Wiktionary which has a 6-month backlog. How can I get involved in transwiking things that need to be transwikied? Salasks 02:46, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
Really, it's procrastination. Salasks 16:14, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to archive the Karma::Talk page. (Also create a Edgar Cayce on Karma page)Its my first time to do so. I saw the Wikipedia Reference page and will be referring to it. Advice would be appreciated. Thanks-- Jondel 03:58, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
What are the guidelines (if any) for using material from the (copyright free) 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica? Can it be used verbatim? Are there plagiarism issues? Is there a standard (boilerplate?) for citation? Sorry if this has all been discussed before someplace. I've looked but I couldn't find such a discussion. Paul August 03:09, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
In Jews as a chosen people, I tried to move the category links and the interlanguage links nicely down to the bottom. There's a Polish interwiki and one category. For some reason, one of the two doesn't parse, with the wiki returning the link text as if a bracket was missing (like [[Category:Judaism ] this). Is this a bug, or should the diacritic in the Polish word be replaced with a Unicode sequence? JFW | T@lk 00:18, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Is there a way to use the Monobook skin without the book, that is, with just a gray background instead of that book image, which my browser sometimes takes forever to display? Gzornenplatz 23:03, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)
body { background: Purple; }
Please help out with the Geheimrat page. Feel free to remove or delete if erroneous. I read about the Geheimrats in a book by Norbert Weiner when he was in Germany. Thanks -- Jondel 01:03, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See my comment on the aricle's talk page. I'm afraid the article is of little use. Geheimrat is really nothing more than the German word for Privy Consellor. Simon A. 14:33, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hello to German speakers here. There's a very messy stub called Thomas Hoffmarck which desperately needs attention. Google reveals it has potential to be a very fine article. Cheers. Moriori 21:25, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)
I want to know if wikipedia supports VRML. Are there any image editing programs where I can draw these vector diagrams and contribute them to wikipedia? [[User:Nichalp|¶ nichalp | Talk]] 21:03, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)
Yes, it is a web markup format for 3d 'worlds'. Mark Richards 22:05, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I was drawing a Cricket pitch using MS Word, and I got an opportunity to save the it as VRML. It was neat, plus it was scalable. Hence I was wondering if this markup supported (ie. I save the code here). [[User:Nichalp|¶ nichalp | Talk]] 20:01, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
I'd like to merge the history of Catholic University of Leiden under that of Katholieke Universiteit Leuven because it belongs there; the thread of history was broken when someone renamed "... Leuven" into "... Leiden" (!) and turned the new Catholic University of Leiden into the mere redirect it now is.
I suppose this needs an admin with special powers. Is there a special place for such requests ?
Thanks.
--FvdP 19:53, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
So what do you need exactly? One of them deleting? Mark Richards 20:45, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
So what help is needed? 23:20, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I'm trying to move the articles in Category:Substub to Category:Substubs. I changed Template:Substub so that they would do that, but the only way to get either category to refresh is to make an edit on the pages that are listed (substubs). It sounds simple, but there are over 250 articles to that need to switch categories. Does anyone know a quicker way to get a Category page to refresh? [[User:Mike Storm| Mike ∞ Storm]] 18:59, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I've made a simple search engine in Java. The engine can work off-line (i.e. if you copy all the files in the directory to your hard disk, the engine can be run off the hard disk), which, coupled with a static HTML copy of Wikipedia, would make a portable, searchable encyclopedia.
You need a recent Java Virtual Machine to use it; in particular, the one shipping with Microsoft Windows won't work. There's a link pointing to Sun Microsystems' virtual machine.
I'm working on reducing the memory consumption.
I'm interested in hearing impressions from people on various computing platforms.
Comments on my talk page or here.
Yes, the ability to put a CD version out would be fantastic for areas of the world with some access to computers, but no internet - many areas of the former Soviet Union have libraries without many resources, but with a computer or two that are not used for much, even pre-loading computers that are donated. Mark Richards 21:37, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The current version of the applet is slow, but the reason for the slowness is understood and the problem will be fixed at the expense of some added memory costs (I may try some more subtle strategy later). I tried to be "too clever" with some of the caching code. David.Monniaux 23:41, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I'm having a dispute with another user about whether this external link on the 1990's Ensenada massacre and the continuing threat of violence is appropriate for the Ensenada article. I've added it a few times but it keeps getting killed by User:Togo. I left a note on User talk:Togo and he said the article was irrelevant because it focuses largely on a single horrific incident in 1998. Please advise. Salasks 17:08, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)
I've decided that I'm going to do a World War II wiki-reader. I'd like to know what people think about it. Volunteers are welcome, especially anyone who has experience doing them is very welcome. →Raul654 16:44, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)
Today, classical departments are closing and no one reads classical literature anymore. The Greeks and the Romans are called DWEM. What I am doing in the Classical definition of republic and the Classical definition of effeminacy is catalogueing these classical defintions for posterity. I understand deconstructionism and revisionism that is going on today in every university and college. Old terms are done away with and given new modern meanings that have no correlation to the old. Effeminacy comes from the Greek word malakos. Yet,Hyacinth wants to transpose his meaning unto the classical idea. Malakos does not have the meaning that Hyacinth wants to give it. I think for posterity and for classical studies, there should be seperate articles. Their new meaning of the term effeminacy is not the meaning for the Victorians, or the Greeks or the Latins or for the Christian church. I say keep the two articles seperate from each other. I can't see how the modern definition of Hyacinth has any correlation or consistency with Greek classical term. If someone read old literature, he needs to understand what those people took it to mean. Not to transpose a new meaning unto a word that has totally different connotations. WHEELER 23:53, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I tried to edit the Republic but all my edits where reverted out and was told that only "*modern*" definitions need apply. So, I started the article, Classical definition of republic. I don't know what you people mean — Is this encyclopedia only for modern defintions? What about old meanings and old definitions? Sparta is a Republic. Yet, reading the "*Republic*" article denies that Sparta is a republic. This is misleading. The modern definition has no bearing on Sparta. What does someone do when studying Sparta? Does he understand it the way the Greeks understood it or the way moderns do who want to change the character of Sparta? The modern definition in no way describes Sparta. There has to be two articles or the Modern definition of Republic is WRong and needs to be deleted alltogether. You can't "*Square the Circle*"! WHEELER 15:58, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I agree with WHEELER that there needs to be a strict observance of the meanings terms had in their historical context. To mislead people by making them think the words Plato used had meanings that arose over two thousand years later is wrong. I don't know about separating the articles, but I do know modern interpretation should not be allowed to contaminate original meanings: both should be given their unqualified voice. What the ancients term effiminate should not be 'qualified' or 'apologized' over if it's put in the same article with the modern. -- DanielCD 16:40, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/WHEELER2. Hyacinth 19:11, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
NPOV is a methodology of events or something like the George bush and John Kerry biographies. But NPOV for technical and classical and Christian terms is unusable and untenable. NPOV is useless in a culture of revisionism and deconstructionism. I know very well that these thought paradigms and methodology is alive and well in college classrooms. In the medicine example above about humors and vapors-=-medicine is scientifically proved through the scientific method. It is a mistake to move the methodology of the material world to define the metaphysical world. It is the rule of Philo that guides in the meteaphysical world. WHEELER 14:06, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
NPOV is not the rule of the Encyclopedia Britannica, or the Catholic Encyclopedia nor the Oxford Companion to Classical Literature. NPOV and integration methodology is very dangerous to use for classical texts. Modern ideas and conceptions have no place in the classical world. The classical people are very different from modern people. NPOV would in a sense redifine and destroy classical culture and its meaning. We have got to be more sophisticated than "NPOV". This is quite banal as a rule and guidelines for an encyclopedia. It is tooo simple for all the contingencies that happen. WHEELER 14:06, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Does wikipedia have any guidelines that discuss the comparability of different sources? For instance, does wikipedia have a guideline saying that older sources are better? Or that newer sources are better? Or that original sources are better than secondary? Hyacinth 23:31, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
So far the answer to my question is: No, wikipedia has no policy whatsoever on citations, except to encourage any of them. I suggest that we develope some criteria, explicitly spelling out how to use citations in an collaborative neutral encylopedia. Hyacinth 02:56, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See: Wikipedia talk:Cite sources#Proposed guidelines.
Hi. I'm looking for people interested in a new wikiproject on the topics of sustainability, environment and ecology.
All input welcome.
-- Pengo 15:01, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Could somebody check out out Category:Sportspeople by country and tell me why I cannot see Category:Sri Lankan sportspeople. Scraggy4 11:51, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Found it now, my own mistake,I think, but then again the category was already linked? sportspeople was mistakenly typed beginning with a capital S. Scraggy4
The taxobox_begin,...,taxobox_end syntax needs to be documented somewhere. I think there is a real danger that Wikipedia becomes more and more difficult to use for new users, with all the arcane templates. This documentation belongs in Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life and Wikipedia:Template messages. AxelBoldt 11:08, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Can I be the first to say that the Retrieved from bit, inserted at the end of each article, is the ugliest thing I've ever seen. I really hope it's not here to stay! -- Tristanb
Current methods being used to disambig TV shows. Which is the best? Trying to get a straw poll to add a section to Wikipedia:Naming conventions, so feel free to add other ideas and vote -- Netoholic 05:38, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
EuropracBHIT 05:57, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)-if the show concerned is a series, that is. Easier to type.
EuropracBHIT 05:57, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)-A good general disambiguation which is what we want here.
It seems to me that semantically, a disambiguator should be a category containing the thing it's disambiguating. Thus Foo (Bar), should mean that Foo is a kinda of Bar. Thus TV show would be ok, but TV would not. Paul August 20:48, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)
IP users are getting directed to the wrong user talk pages (as has been discussed) and I just receved a 'you have new messages' thing when my edit was last in the history (at least sent me to my talk page). There's something up with WP lately...and it's confusing eveyone ?:| — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 05:13, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Several anons are complaining that they're getting "you have new messages", and when they click on the link it takes them to the wrong User Talk page. See User talk:195.93.34.7, for an example. I don't know if this is true or not, but there have been a lot of anon editors complaining on several different Talk pages. Rick K 23:48, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)
As a litte test I had a look at 250 random pages. 5 hits (2%) each for
Some more stats at User:Pjacobi/Random -- Pjacobi 12:53, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Based on comments solicited at Wikipedia talk:Peer review, I've recently re-organised the peer review page accordingly (I left out the templates system, though, as something for the future). Brickbats welcome at the talk page for peer review. Now, we need to promote peer review. It's disheartening to see how infrequently peer review is used. Johnleemk | Talk 11:33, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The Roman Catholics consider the office of Cardinal (Catholic) much like a noble title, and so term their cardinals, e.g., "Theodore Cardinal McCarrick", similar to say, "Alfred Lord Tennyson"; non-Catholics seem to use the term as an office: "Cardinal Theodore McCarrick", as in "President William Jefferson Clinton".
Until recently, the New York Times followed the former form; it now uses the latter, as does the Washington Post and the Guardian. Wikipedia (no surprise) uses both forms. While not myself a Catholic (or a Christian), I prefer to use the terms a subject uses to name himself (thus, "Her Majesty" for Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom, or even "Dear Leader" for Kim Jong-il), and beside find the former more stately.
But overall, I'd prefer to see wikipdia use a single consistent form. Which is it? -- orthogonal 11:11, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This is clearly copyrighted material, from the book Dune (novel). It is also quoted extensively on the web, without any apparent action being taken (why would they, when it's free advertising?). Could we make a fair-use argument for its inclusion here? If so, should it be merged with the novel and/or book articles, then made into a redirect? Or should it simply be listed as copyvio? I'm not familiar enough with the legal nuances here to be sure. Anyone? SWAdair | Talk 10:29, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
At one point I put a notice at the top of Colombia, reading something like, "One might be looking for Columbia, another name for the United States.". Soon, it got deleted. I put it back and posted something on the talk page. It got deleted again with no response, so I put it back demanding (too harshly, I admit) that the talk page be answered first. I argued about it a bit with Fibonacci, but there's still no feedback from anybody else. See Talk:Colombia for what we covered so far. Does the notice belong or not? - Furrykef 04:33, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
FWIW, they seem to have sent spam emails to one of the sites listed on my user page, based on my contributions to the article they link the email to on their mirror: http://custom-error-page.wikiverse.org/ Is there any way to go after spammers that mirror, and abuse, Wikipedia? Niteowlneils 04:06, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Alase technologies just looks like an advertisement. I read the VfD procedure but it looks way too complicated for me so I thought I would mention it here. Scraggy4 03:20, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This article has a "guardian" who is reverting any attempts to NPOV and provide links or information which he does not personally agree with. Since I don't agree w edit warring, I am mentioning this here w the hope of community involvement improving the group editing of this page. Sam [ Spade] 03:06, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Fait accompli has a vfd tag from 7/15/04, with a blank talk page. The discussion seems to clearly be a consenus to delete. I don't think putting it back on VFD so soon is the right thing to do. If it was in the same condition as it was during voting, I would assume we could just delete it 'per process after the fact'. However it is now several times longer, which means it's very different from what was voted on, so that doesn't seem like a fair solution. On the other hand, the additions are kinda rough, and I'm not familiar enuf with the exact def/usage to judge how applicable they are. Anyone with both a strong knowledge of WP process (esp. correcting variances) and the term "Fait accompli" want to try and sort this out? Niteowlneils 03:01, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I want to ask if we should protect the Joe Arpaio page. We keep getting some non-wikipedian to revert to information he added indicating that Arpaio is guilty or involved in many law violations. Not coincidental;ly, Arpaio is seeking re-election as sheriff...a political rival, perhaps?
" Antonio America's silliest guy Martin"
" Antonio Super Insane Martin"
I want to move Callus and Corns of the Foot to Callus, but there's a redirect at the latter; how do I get that moved? It appears someone has just now moved ITIS to Integrated Taxonomic Information System. How do they do that? grendel| khan 02:56, 2004 Aug 7 (UTC)
When I'm working on an article, and I Google on the subject in hopes of finding out a bit more about it, I'm finding increasingly that most of the top hits are to the very article that I'm tinkering with, or to mirrors thereof.
Don't you just hate it when that happens?
It seems much of the useful encyclopedic content on the Web has already gotten sucked into Wikipedia. When mining for Wikipedia articles, the Google lode is getting exhausted. Do I need to do something radical and drastic... like going to the library? [[User:Dpbsmith| Dpbsmith (talk)]] 02:35, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
In my experience, if you are failing to find useful, relevant content on the web, one or more of the following usually applies: (1) you are working in an area that we already have well-covered (2) you need more creative searching strategies that will find something other than Google's top ten on the obvious keywords (3) you are a monolingual English-speaker, who cannot access the mass of excellent online information in other languages... including the Wikipedias in other languages. For example, we still could use translations of most of the featured articles from the French and German wikipedias, which are emphatically part of the Web. -- Jmabel 07:58, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC)
I appreciated Dpbsmith's quip: "Do I need to do something radical and drastic... like going to the library?" My experience is that for the topics I've researched for the Wikipedia using both books and Web pages, there is more stuff, and better stuff, in books than there is on the Web. A person who writes a book is often very invested and puts a big chunk of her life into it; Web sites are usually (if not always) done on the fly, and thus suffer from the recycling mentioned above. Opus33 20:59, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hey, a few days ago I started the gameinfo wiki, which is small and humble right now but will grow with time. The aim is to compile data on every game ever made (concentrating on computer and video games, but we may expand from there), similar to GameFAQs, but it's a wiki, and each game will have only one guide for simplicity. Should I or should I not link to gameinfo for articles relevant to a game? For instance, should Civilization computer game contain a link to http://moinmoin.riters.com/gameinfo/index.cgi/PC/Civ as an external link? - Furrykef 23:03, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
What if I restrict it only to games that have guides or other substantial information? - Furrykef 18:35, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Well, each game should have a guide -- eventually. I don't consider the guide anything special except that it's likely to have more content than any other kind of game information with the possible exception of reviews. I'd prefer to link to the game page itself for the "chat" and "review" links, not to mention the game description (which may well include something the Wikipedia entry does not, like a game excerpt), publication data, etc... - Furrykef 19:27, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I have a question about dealing with people like User:JohnDoeTM. His five contributions to date are: improperly marking all three new article contributions of an anon with Speedy tags, leaving an derogatory vandalism accusation on the anon's user talk page, and a spurious comment on his own Talk page. I polished one contrib into a stub, and Hadal has taken care of the other two, so that's taken care of, and I don't care about Doe's talk page. I've added a welcome msg to the anon's Talk page, but I would really like to remove the rant, but I don't know if that would violate User Talk page policy. Niteowlneils 19:08, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
After a two week outage EasyTimeline is up and running again. For those who want to try it, see examples at w:Category:Graphical Timelines, many more at w:de:Kategorie:Zeitleiste (Zeitleiste = Timeline, Vorlage = Template). For those who want to give it a try: it may be a bit overwhelming at first when you start a new timeline, the easy in EasyTimeline reflects that an existing timeline is pretty easy to understand, correct or translate. Most editors seek an existing timeline and use that as a model. This will bring you up to speed. See also intro on meta. Erik Zachte 17:03, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
After I did a small amok run on this, I was convinced to discuss it first. The question is, how to use Categorization to enable (in the future) excluding "Fictional" articles from searches. The main discussion seem to go here Category talk:Fictional, but also have a look at Category talk:Fiction and maybe Wikipedia:Categorization -- Pjacobi 16:51, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Why are there so many edit-protected templates? I can understand if a popular template might have vandalism problems, but some of the protected templates are things like Template:Cc-by-nd-nc, and the most-used templates like Template:Stub aren't. There are 49 protected templates listed on Wikipedia:Protected page, and I've found some protected ones that aren't listed. What if someone wants to do something benign, like, say, make a new category using a template? Do all of those have to be protected? [[User:Mike Storm| Mike ∞ Storm]] 14:03, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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sourceforgeHi. I am trying to move Tagalog to Tagalog_language but it's not allowing it. Could someone help me out, please? Thanks. -- Chris 04:55, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
he is deleting the article Avigad Berman for no reason
it's a fictional charactor! not a real person!!!
According to the Avigad Berman Talk page, the contrib of this article has been banned from Hebrew Wikipedia. Searching "avigad berman" gets two hits, both sites in Hebrew. I'd say, nuke the article, and if it continues to get posted, ban the user from EN, as well. Niteowlneils 17:56, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The article has been listed on wikipedia:votes for deletion Clearly 217.132.176.75 does not need to be blocked. theresa knott 18:55, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hvar er pí greinin eiginlega? ef maður leitar að henni virðist hún á Π sem er tilvísun í π. -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 20:06, 2004 Aug 17 (UTC)
If anyone can get rid of the caption on this military photo of Ben Nighthorse Campbell, I'd be forever grateful. Neutrality 21:27, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The issue of whether a substub category is desirable has been debated extensively, without a clear conclusion. Currently we are trying to decide what to do with the substub template, and a survey is being conducted at Template talk:Substub. More input is welcome there. -- Michael Snow 21:32, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hello, I did this for the german WP before, and am now planning to do this for the english WP as well:
I downloaded the database tables cur and image (dump of august 08) and am looking for
I plan to upload these, so that this inconsistencies can be cleared. At de I also looked at each of the image pages to see if an image exists and wrote this information into the list too. Entries without images were deleted shortly after I put them on VfD.
At de I put these lists onto a subpage of my user page ( de:Benutzer:SirJective/Bildprobleme) and could do this here as well. But maybe there is a better place for this, and maybe someone already did this.
I welcome any comments on this. -- SirJective 20:24, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
We have an image named Image:É??ç??å ´ã?«ã?¦ 003.jpg. If we want to make this something meaningful, is this page going to have to be downloaded and then re-uploaded with a different name? Rick K 19:50, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)
Is there any way to find new users (to welcome them), without doing a SQL query? (the database seems to be locked at the current moment and I don't feel like downloading it). — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 17:27, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This morning Yahoo is featuring our article about Terry Nichols in Yahoo! News, take a look: http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat=Oklahoma_City_Bombing
Ruiz 16:51, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Is it possible to upload a Java applet into Wikipedia?
How do I create a new category? -- Auximines 14:18, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Can someone tell me why one cannot frame Wikipedia pages? Since one cannot add frames (or iframes) selectively via browsers (sigh) and since one cannot add frames at Wikipedia, and since frames (and iframes) could add tremendous usefulness to wiki articles (e.g., viewing discussion pages, (targeted) page histories, diffs, "what links here", or even the edit pages alongside the article pages), I would hope that the source code for Wikipedia might be modified to allow all of its pages to be framed. If copyright is for some reason an issue, I would think that would be the problem of the person who tried hosting the frames. Brettz9 05:48, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
if( window.top != window ) window.top.location = window.location;
Discussion moved to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television) -- Netoholic 21:25, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Did something change internally with the way moves work? If so, this is great, but I can't find any details in the history about who moved a page and when. Is this available somehow? Additionally, is there any chance of adding a field to list a reason for a move? anthony (see warning) 11:42, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I think this footer should have an empty line or two between the article and itself. As of this writing it is too close to the article in my opinion. -- Wernher 00:43, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Could someone explain in plain English what this footer means and what its purpose is? Adam 08:16, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Where is the right place to discuss changes to this feature now that it exists, and where would have been the right place to learn about it while it was still being planned? — AlanBarrett 10:17, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I agree this change as implemented is very confusing. Is the intention to force people to link back under the GFDL? anthony (see warning) 11:42, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
What Pete said. This certainly wouldn't prevent mirroring, and unless the text is in the database it wouldn't even hinder mirroring. Besides, we explicitly want to encourage mirroring, that's why we allow our database to be downloaded. If we want to try to force mirrors to link back to us, then we should be putting this text in the database dumps. Otherwise no one is going to use it. anthony (see warning) 17:20, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This is just for the printable version. It always used to be there but was accidentally dropped when monobook was introduced. It only shows up on the printed version, not on the viewable page (for most browsers). If you can see it, reload the page and it will disappear as it might be accidentally in your cache. Angela . 19:28, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)
Ah, yes, reloading removes it. See the message from Tim Starling above for a bit of explanation. anthony (see warning) 19:55, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
It took me the better part of a day to realize what you guys were talking about :) -- god bless the old Wikipedia skin and its trouble-free interface. →Raul654 19:58, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)
At Wikipedia:Article of the week today, Baghdad and Renaissance are tied at 21 votes. Renaissance has gathered the same amount of votes in a shorter time period, but Baghdad was nominated earlier ...
We need a tie-breaker. Please come and discuss at Wikipedia talk:Article of the week. Thanks.
-- PFHLai 22:34, 2004 Aug 8 (UTC)
I've quit this project three times now, twice over this substub-writing idiot. The proxies change but they're all from the Northeast division of SBC. I really want to come back on a limited basis, but I will not put up with this troll. He/she is driving MikeH out of his mind with malformed entries about soap opera stars, little-known TV shows and minor movies. Ditto RickK. I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Regan left over this ninny as well. He left a number of messages on the different proxies. No one has answered them, and no one has ever answered the requests for contact.
Sysops, I am begging you. Please. Just block the range. These entries are useless. - Lucky 6.9 22:26, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Check out what this guy did to the Matt Crane article today: [9] Rick K 04:44, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)
Another thing I noticed that I failed to mention: the person seems to be at this site, because for every red link I'll make in a soap opera article, the person will fill it in. That happened when I accidentally wikilinked Gary Pelzer (text: "gary pelzer") and what has just happened to Lynn Herring. Mike H 17:39, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)
If it's really that bad, why not report it to the "abuse@" email for the ISP (if you can track down SBC, or whoever it is)? Be sure to incorporate as much information re IP addresses and timing and evidence of the abuse. Noisy 18:22, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Just let me know that the guy's back and what ID he's using, and I'll delete all of his entries and block him from posting for 24 hours. And if people don't like it they can take it up at RfC. Rick K 23:58, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)
There must be something strange about the image Image:Monalisa.jpg in Leonardo da Vinci. For some reason whenever I view that page, the Mona Lisa picture never renders and thereafter, IE6 won't render any images until it is restarted -- Solipsist 21:57, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The article count shown on special:Statistics is 6,856,900, but the number on WikiStats for August 5th is 292,000. I really don't think that we added nearly 30,000 articles in 4 days. What's up with this? -- mav 07:19, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Read this page. When the mouse hovers over a wikilink, the top of the linked definition is brought out in a "tooltip" popup. This is done client-side with Javascript; the generation of the page does not require more database requests.
It works on Mozilla and related browsers, on Opera and on Internet Explorer; it is broken on Konqueror. (Apparently, Konqueror lacks support for some CSS properties.)
Comments on my talk page or here. David.Monniaux 22:00, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
As far as I remember "wikipedia is not a guide", so am I right to guess that how-to and everything in it is content "to be cleaned up sometime and expected not to be expanded further"? I specifically ask because I told a guy that he should not create howtos in article space and he pointed me to this specific article and its contents. I believe this is wikibooks content, and not wikipedia's.-- grin ✎ 19:33, 2004 Aug 7 (UTC)
How to Guides generally belong on Wikibooks, because they are not strictly encyclopedic, wikibooks is a collection of books, documentation, and textbooks written by the equivalent of wikipedians. So that is where how to guides belong. — siro χ o 09:30, Aug 8, 2004 (UTC)
I am searching for the correct person to address this issue: The infobox on terrorism lists Islamic .. rather than Islamist .., which I believe is a more precise and respectful label. That way it is possible to distinguish the adjective (Islamic) for a religious group from the adjective (Islamist) for a political group with an agenda. My template for this is the distinction between the secular from the secularism articles. That puts the label more in line with the ism article as well. I realize that involves some page moves as well. Ancheta Wis 19:02, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
After I've gone away for the evening and come back to Wikipedia the next day (I have my Favorites set to go to the Main Page), I ge the "You have new messages.", even though I don't have any and had not had that message when I went away. Any way to not have that happen any more? Rick K 18:06, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC)
Check your page history. Some anon vandalized your talk page and someone else cleaned it up. That may've been interpreted as new messages. Salasks 19:52, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC)
This often happened to me, oddly in both Opera and IE. It definately was cache-related, as a CTRL-F5 would bring up a totally different frontpage, sans the 'messages' message. TPK 05:32, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I uploaded Image:Arimaa_Setup.png and then realized a jpg would be smaller than a png, so I uploaded Image:Arimaa_Setup.jpg instead. Now I want to delete the png, because it is taking up space and not linked to by the Arimaa article. How do I delete an unused image? Thanks, -- Fritzlein 00:26, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Can anyone figure out why Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Societas_Via_Romana refuses to show up on the main VfD page? Niteowlneils 03:27, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I hope I'm not opening a can of worms or making a Frequently Rejected Suggestion, but I think that when you look at a Table of Contents, you should see just "Contents", not "Table of Contents". After all, you can tell it's a table. I've just checked several books in different fields, and their TOCs are headed simply "Contents" (or some slight variation).
-- JerryFriedman 16:32, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Just wanted to announce that there is a new WikiProject: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Arcade_Games. Hop on over and add yourself to the Participants if you're interested. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:19, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)
This anon's contribs have been vandalism, but of a weird type. What are those contributions under "Excrement (weird character) (weird character)" etc? [[User:Meelar| Meelar (talk)]] 14:49, 2004 Aug 10 (UTC)
Is anyone else getting a "Retrieved from "(full URL of the page being viewed)"" line at the bottom of all Wikipedia pages? I am and I have no idea why. It's kinda creeping me out. Lachatdelarue 14:15, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Where should comments and questions about "Special:" pages go, since they don't have their own talk pages? I'm thinking in particular of the page Special:Statistics (which personally I think should be renamed to Special:Site statistics or Special:Wikipedia statistics or something). This came up because some people have asked about the site stats page on Talk:Statistics. I added a link there to the Village pump, but there's gotta be a better place. - dcljr 04:17, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
How do I find out on what pages an image is used? "What links here" gives me no pages for every photo I've tried, and I know they're used on pages (and have been for months). Is something broken and I've missed a discussion? Or is this user error? Elf | Talk 03:08, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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Following on from some comments above, I am quite surprised that there are so many redirects and links to empty pages. These are not on the list of good things and may even be on the list of bad things. Is it possible to reduce their numbers using some form of search and replace mechanism?
Bobblewik 19:52, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
A link to an empty page can be positive. For example, on the Allen Iverson page, there's a link to the NBA Finals, a link that as you can see does not work yet. It's positive for 2 reasons: 1) Maybe someone will see it and decide to write the article, 2) Once the article is written, the link will become active (as long as the name is accurate).
But redirecting to an empty page is bad. Salasks 01:33, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)
Links to empty pages are good for the two reasons given by User:Salasks. Redirects to empty pages are also good, because they pre-emptively prevent duplicate articles being written. I have created redirects to empty pages when I know that eventually an article will be written on a subject with several names. By making the redirects first, I can make it more likely that the article, when it is written, will end up at the right place. The main problem with redirects to empty pages is that they don't show up as "red links" in the referring page (but that problem applies equally to links to substubs). Gdr 14:05, 2004 Aug 6 (UTC)
I've seen this get out of hand on some pages, such as EGovernment. In this example, my gut says many of the links go to terms that will never have articles created for them. -- Stevietheman 14:40, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The rectangular background to the Wikipedia symbol on the top left hand corner of the page has changed to green. Is this my browser problem or does everyone have it? Apwoolrich 18:50, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Green background is back again this morning, and yes, I too use Opera Apwoolrich 06:34, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
After a slight technical delay, the Arbitration Committee election is now open. To vote, go to Special:ArbComVote. Voting will continue through Friday, August 13. -- Michael Snow 16:39, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
There's been talk recently of improving Wikipedia:Peer review at Wikipedia talk:Peer review. It came about because too many people are using WP:FAC as a place to review their articles, some of which are obviously not featured level. This has been compounded by the fact that not many people know about the peer review page, and those who do use it often get no or little response (at least, I never have).
The suggested solution currently is to make peer review more like FAC – have discussions on the PR page itself, sorting entries in descending order, as well as a posible {{pr}} template. Please comment and discuss at Wikipedia talk:Peer review. Johnleemk | Talk 13:38, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Ok, this is weird. I noticed that Image:Lion.jpg was vandalized. I thought first it was a new image uploaded and the pages it is used on modified. Nope. So then I thought that it was a new file uploaded to the same name as the old file, so I got a clean copy of the image from one of our downsources and re-uploaded it. This didn't work either, as my clean, freshly uploaded file has the same vandalism on it. Might there be some hacker who has done something more serious in the way of vandalizing? - UtherSRG 13:34, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
There's still something screwy going on. My "clean" version that appeared to be vandalized after I uploaded it is now clean again. Very strange.Anyway, Chameleon, you need to add attribution to the new image you uploaded so as to keep us kosher. - UtherSRG 16:07, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
What's the policy of adding links to related web sites to an article's "External links" section? For example, linking to Pokémon fan sites from the Pokémon article, or Disney fan sites from a Disney article, or Windows discussion boards from a Windows article?
My own opinion is that Wikipedia is not meant to be a link repository, and if we allow a link to one fan site then we're going to have to allow links to every fan site. I figure that a user can use Google if he wants to find related web sites, so I usually delete "External links" to anything other than corporate web sites. If someone really wants to link to his own web site, he can use Yahoo or Dmoz.
The situation which raised this question is that someone edited Windows XP to add a link to his own personal page which has a Windows XP performance guide. I removed it, then he re-added the link. I don't want to get into an edit war with him, so I decided to ask here to find out if there's any official policy on the subject. - Brian Kendig 12:51, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
There are a lot (too many?) fan sites from Ken Jennings also. A page can easily get overwhelmed by fan sites, but one or two well-done fan sites can be helpful. Salasks 13:10, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)
My solution when faced with a multitude of fan sites on Lucy Lawless was to remove them all and replace them with a single link to the Lucy Lawless webring. -- ALargeElk | Talk 13:20, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Apparently, I have just received a notice that I should stop "vandalizing" articles. I acknowledge that I have edited several articles (prior to registering at Wikipedia, so "using" my IP address). However, I do not see that as "vandalizing". I would like to be informed of what exactly is seen as my "vandalizing" Wikipedia articles. (I am posting this as a general/public discussion because I do not know who sent me the notice.) Aecis
What about the idea of adding special types of the "Random Page" function. Perhaps pages that only choose from:
Just an idea
I hope there is a good html designing software other than frontpage
While I was working with [[Category:Rivers]], some interesting things happened:
I creating two new subcategories ([[Category:Hawaiian rivers]], and [[Category:Middle Eastern rivers]]) and labeled articles in the new subcategories, as appropriate. But for some reason they still remain in the larger [[Category:Rivers]]. Anyone know why this is happening or how I can fix it?-- Neutrality 01:28, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
could somebody explain or change Category:Unified Team gymnast to the plural as I am unsure how to do it?? thank you Scraggy4 00:44, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I have created an add-on to the TextPad text editor to help with editing Wikipedia pages offline. It is a "clip library" that works much like the Wikipedia editing toolbar: you can click to make selected text bold, insert a link, etc. It also includes some templates which I believe to be among the most commonly used, or relevant for this kind of editing. The file is available at Media:Wikipedia_syntax_and_templates.TCL; to install it, just copy it into the Samples subfolder of your TextPad installation.
Comments and suggestions are very welcome. If there's interest, I can try to put together something to help with tables, timelines, or the rest of the templates. -- AlexG 22:37, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I have been banned from a few sites, without warning or explanation. I explain it all in my article "Getting Banned from Other Blog Sites" at:
www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com
I call this unannounced, unexplained action "cold kicking". It's being banned from a web site, assumedly for posting something that must've "offended" someone. I'd like some word to be included in the wonderful wikipedia, that would denote this action.
"Cold kicking" or "web ban" or "online ostracization" or whatever.
from cleanup:
I accidently moved Fort Benning to Fort Benning, Texas—I intended to move it to Fort Benning, Georgia. I manually moved the page to Fort Benning, Georgia, but I don't know how to move its history (which is now at Fort Benning, Texas). Mateo SA
--The article was actually moved from Fort Benning, Georgia to Fort Benning a few months ago, so maybe the article should be at Fort Benning after all. But when I tried to move the article from Fort Benning, Texas back to Fort Benning, it said there was already an article there (which isn't true, now it's just a redirect), and it said to contact an admin; I can't move it to Fort Benning, Georgia either. Both the history and the text are now at Fort Benning, Texas, but Fort Benning's not in Texas. So the page and it's history should be moved either to Fort Benning or Fort Benning, Georgia, whichever's proper. So if an admin could move it, that'd be nice. Salasks 17:52, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
I've heard many things about how the majority of those who visit Wikipedia come only to read articles, and that a small minority actually contribute. I was wondering if there is anywhere to find good statistics relating to these facts. Also, does anyone know how many anon IPs make minor corrections (spelling, grammar, typos...) compared to those who only read? Just interested in finding out about the dynamics of the wiki. — siro χ o 12:48, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
Is there a convenient way to suppress the error messages that are generated when using a copy of the wikipedia that doesn't include the 4G (!) image collection (or any of the other Wiki-projects, since no images are exported for those)? Or better still, a simple way (maybe just a one or two line query) to rewrite the image links so that they all link to some harmless padding image?
Is there any way of finding, or addressing, wikipedians of specific nationalities? For instance, is there a list where I could get to acknowledge that I'm willing to be known to be Swedish? Or is the Village Pump the best place to give a shout for help from, say, Dutch editors? The Cornelis Vreeswijk article, that I've been expanding, could really do with some input from Dutch speakers. If you are one, please check out the article's talk page, where I have left a fuller note. Bishonen 12:04, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I may just be ignorant (which I ought not to be in my position, but still), are anon talk pages deleted after a period of time? Given that a lot of people don't seem to read the disclaimer down the bottom, and some messages like {{test}} are ambiguous enough that someone might think that they're directed at them when they were not meant to be, the messages on these pages could well scare people off. I assume that they are purged, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. TPK 06:53, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Could someone go to "Ä?etnici" at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=194.152.246.2, copy what is there to Talk:Chetniks, delete the article and kill all links to it? I can't even see the article. Nikola 05:09, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I noticed that on VfD people often vote to transwiki to WikiBooks (esp recipes) or Wiktionary (dicdefs) and also came across this page Wikipedia:Things to be moved to Wiktionary which has a 6-month backlog. How can I get involved in transwiking things that need to be transwikied? Salasks 02:46, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
Really, it's procrastination. Salasks 16:14, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to archive the Karma::Talk page. (Also create a Edgar Cayce on Karma page)Its my first time to do so. I saw the Wikipedia Reference page and will be referring to it. Advice would be appreciated. Thanks-- Jondel 03:58, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
What are the guidelines (if any) for using material from the (copyright free) 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica? Can it be used verbatim? Are there plagiarism issues? Is there a standard (boilerplate?) for citation? Sorry if this has all been discussed before someplace. I've looked but I couldn't find such a discussion. Paul August 03:09, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
In Jews as a chosen people, I tried to move the category links and the interlanguage links nicely down to the bottom. There's a Polish interwiki and one category. For some reason, one of the two doesn't parse, with the wiki returning the link text as if a bracket was missing (like [[Category:Judaism ] this). Is this a bug, or should the diacritic in the Polish word be replaced with a Unicode sequence? JFW | T@lk 00:18, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Is there a way to use the Monobook skin without the book, that is, with just a gray background instead of that book image, which my browser sometimes takes forever to display? Gzornenplatz 23:03, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)
body { background: Purple; }
Please help out with the Geheimrat page. Feel free to remove or delete if erroneous. I read about the Geheimrats in a book by Norbert Weiner when he was in Germany. Thanks -- Jondel 01:03, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See my comment on the aricle's talk page. I'm afraid the article is of little use. Geheimrat is really nothing more than the German word for Privy Consellor. Simon A. 14:33, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hello to German speakers here. There's a very messy stub called Thomas Hoffmarck which desperately needs attention. Google reveals it has potential to be a very fine article. Cheers. Moriori 21:25, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)
I want to know if wikipedia supports VRML. Are there any image editing programs where I can draw these vector diagrams and contribute them to wikipedia? [[User:Nichalp|¶ nichalp | Talk]] 21:03, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)
Yes, it is a web markup format for 3d 'worlds'. Mark Richards 22:05, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I was drawing a Cricket pitch using MS Word, and I got an opportunity to save the it as VRML. It was neat, plus it was scalable. Hence I was wondering if this markup supported (ie. I save the code here). [[User:Nichalp|¶ nichalp | Talk]] 20:01, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
I'd like to merge the history of Catholic University of Leiden under that of Katholieke Universiteit Leuven because it belongs there; the thread of history was broken when someone renamed "... Leuven" into "... Leiden" (!) and turned the new Catholic University of Leiden into the mere redirect it now is.
I suppose this needs an admin with special powers. Is there a special place for such requests ?
Thanks.
--FvdP 19:53, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
So what do you need exactly? One of them deleting? Mark Richards 20:45, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
So what help is needed? 23:20, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I'm trying to move the articles in Category:Substub to Category:Substubs. I changed Template:Substub so that they would do that, but the only way to get either category to refresh is to make an edit on the pages that are listed (substubs). It sounds simple, but there are over 250 articles to that need to switch categories. Does anyone know a quicker way to get a Category page to refresh? [[User:Mike Storm| Mike ∞ Storm]] 18:59, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I've made a simple search engine in Java. The engine can work off-line (i.e. if you copy all the files in the directory to your hard disk, the engine can be run off the hard disk), which, coupled with a static HTML copy of Wikipedia, would make a portable, searchable encyclopedia.
You need a recent Java Virtual Machine to use it; in particular, the one shipping with Microsoft Windows won't work. There's a link pointing to Sun Microsystems' virtual machine.
I'm working on reducing the memory consumption.
I'm interested in hearing impressions from people on various computing platforms.
Comments on my talk page or here.
Yes, the ability to put a CD version out would be fantastic for areas of the world with some access to computers, but no internet - many areas of the former Soviet Union have libraries without many resources, but with a computer or two that are not used for much, even pre-loading computers that are donated. Mark Richards 21:37, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The current version of the applet is slow, but the reason for the slowness is understood and the problem will be fixed at the expense of some added memory costs (I may try some more subtle strategy later). I tried to be "too clever" with some of the caching code. David.Monniaux 23:41, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I'm having a dispute with another user about whether this external link on the 1990's Ensenada massacre and the continuing threat of violence is appropriate for the Ensenada article. I've added it a few times but it keeps getting killed by User:Togo. I left a note on User talk:Togo and he said the article was irrelevant because it focuses largely on a single horrific incident in 1998. Please advise. Salasks 17:08, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)
I've decided that I'm going to do a World War II wiki-reader. I'd like to know what people think about it. Volunteers are welcome, especially anyone who has experience doing them is very welcome. →Raul654 16:44, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)
Today, classical departments are closing and no one reads classical literature anymore. The Greeks and the Romans are called DWEM. What I am doing in the Classical definition of republic and the Classical definition of effeminacy is catalogueing these classical defintions for posterity. I understand deconstructionism and revisionism that is going on today in every university and college. Old terms are done away with and given new modern meanings that have no correlation to the old. Effeminacy comes from the Greek word malakos. Yet,Hyacinth wants to transpose his meaning unto the classical idea. Malakos does not have the meaning that Hyacinth wants to give it. I think for posterity and for classical studies, there should be seperate articles. Their new meaning of the term effeminacy is not the meaning for the Victorians, or the Greeks or the Latins or for the Christian church. I say keep the two articles seperate from each other. I can't see how the modern definition of Hyacinth has any correlation or consistency with Greek classical term. If someone read old literature, he needs to understand what those people took it to mean. Not to transpose a new meaning unto a word that has totally different connotations. WHEELER 23:53, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I tried to edit the Republic but all my edits where reverted out and was told that only "*modern*" definitions need apply. So, I started the article, Classical definition of republic. I don't know what you people mean — Is this encyclopedia only for modern defintions? What about old meanings and old definitions? Sparta is a Republic. Yet, reading the "*Republic*" article denies that Sparta is a republic. This is misleading. The modern definition has no bearing on Sparta. What does someone do when studying Sparta? Does he understand it the way the Greeks understood it or the way moderns do who want to change the character of Sparta? The modern definition in no way describes Sparta. There has to be two articles or the Modern definition of Republic is WRong and needs to be deleted alltogether. You can't "*Square the Circle*"! WHEELER 15:58, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I agree with WHEELER that there needs to be a strict observance of the meanings terms had in their historical context. To mislead people by making them think the words Plato used had meanings that arose over two thousand years later is wrong. I don't know about separating the articles, but I do know modern interpretation should not be allowed to contaminate original meanings: both should be given their unqualified voice. What the ancients term effiminate should not be 'qualified' or 'apologized' over if it's put in the same article with the modern. -- DanielCD 16:40, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/WHEELER2. Hyacinth 19:11, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
NPOV is a methodology of events or something like the George bush and John Kerry biographies. But NPOV for technical and classical and Christian terms is unusable and untenable. NPOV is useless in a culture of revisionism and deconstructionism. I know very well that these thought paradigms and methodology is alive and well in college classrooms. In the medicine example above about humors and vapors-=-medicine is scientifically proved through the scientific method. It is a mistake to move the methodology of the material world to define the metaphysical world. It is the rule of Philo that guides in the meteaphysical world. WHEELER 14:06, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
NPOV is not the rule of the Encyclopedia Britannica, or the Catholic Encyclopedia nor the Oxford Companion to Classical Literature. NPOV and integration methodology is very dangerous to use for classical texts. Modern ideas and conceptions have no place in the classical world. The classical people are very different from modern people. NPOV would in a sense redifine and destroy classical culture and its meaning. We have got to be more sophisticated than "NPOV". This is quite banal as a rule and guidelines for an encyclopedia. It is tooo simple for all the contingencies that happen. WHEELER 14:06, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Does wikipedia have any guidelines that discuss the comparability of different sources? For instance, does wikipedia have a guideline saying that older sources are better? Or that newer sources are better? Or that original sources are better than secondary? Hyacinth 23:31, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
So far the answer to my question is: No, wikipedia has no policy whatsoever on citations, except to encourage any of them. I suggest that we develope some criteria, explicitly spelling out how to use citations in an collaborative neutral encylopedia. Hyacinth 02:56, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See: Wikipedia talk:Cite sources#Proposed guidelines.
Hi. I'm looking for people interested in a new wikiproject on the topics of sustainability, environment and ecology.
All input welcome.
-- Pengo 15:01, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Could somebody check out out Category:Sportspeople by country and tell me why I cannot see Category:Sri Lankan sportspeople. Scraggy4 11:51, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Found it now, my own mistake,I think, but then again the category was already linked? sportspeople was mistakenly typed beginning with a capital S. Scraggy4
The taxobox_begin,...,taxobox_end syntax needs to be documented somewhere. I think there is a real danger that Wikipedia becomes more and more difficult to use for new users, with all the arcane templates. This documentation belongs in Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life and Wikipedia:Template messages. AxelBoldt 11:08, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Can I be the first to say that the Retrieved from bit, inserted at the end of each article, is the ugliest thing I've ever seen. I really hope it's not here to stay! -- Tristanb
Current methods being used to disambig TV shows. Which is the best? Trying to get a straw poll to add a section to Wikipedia:Naming conventions, so feel free to add other ideas and vote -- Netoholic 05:38, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
EuropracBHIT 05:57, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)-if the show concerned is a series, that is. Easier to type.
EuropracBHIT 05:57, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)-A good general disambiguation which is what we want here.
It seems to me that semantically, a disambiguator should be a category containing the thing it's disambiguating. Thus Foo (Bar), should mean that Foo is a kinda of Bar. Thus TV show would be ok, but TV would not. Paul August 20:48, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)
IP users are getting directed to the wrong user talk pages (as has been discussed) and I just receved a 'you have new messages' thing when my edit was last in the history (at least sent me to my talk page). There's something up with WP lately...and it's confusing eveyone ?:| — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 05:13, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Several anons are complaining that they're getting "you have new messages", and when they click on the link it takes them to the wrong User Talk page. See User talk:195.93.34.7, for an example. I don't know if this is true or not, but there have been a lot of anon editors complaining on several different Talk pages. Rick K 23:48, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)
As a litte test I had a look at 250 random pages. 5 hits (2%) each for
Some more stats at User:Pjacobi/Random -- Pjacobi 12:53, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Based on comments solicited at Wikipedia talk:Peer review, I've recently re-organised the peer review page accordingly (I left out the templates system, though, as something for the future). Brickbats welcome at the talk page for peer review. Now, we need to promote peer review. It's disheartening to see how infrequently peer review is used. Johnleemk | Talk 11:33, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The Roman Catholics consider the office of Cardinal (Catholic) much like a noble title, and so term their cardinals, e.g., "Theodore Cardinal McCarrick", similar to say, "Alfred Lord Tennyson"; non-Catholics seem to use the term as an office: "Cardinal Theodore McCarrick", as in "President William Jefferson Clinton".
Until recently, the New York Times followed the former form; it now uses the latter, as does the Washington Post and the Guardian. Wikipedia (no surprise) uses both forms. While not myself a Catholic (or a Christian), I prefer to use the terms a subject uses to name himself (thus, "Her Majesty" for Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom, or even "Dear Leader" for Kim Jong-il), and beside find the former more stately.
But overall, I'd prefer to see wikipdia use a single consistent form. Which is it? -- orthogonal 11:11, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This is clearly copyrighted material, from the book Dune (novel). It is also quoted extensively on the web, without any apparent action being taken (why would they, when it's free advertising?). Could we make a fair-use argument for its inclusion here? If so, should it be merged with the novel and/or book articles, then made into a redirect? Or should it simply be listed as copyvio? I'm not familiar enough with the legal nuances here to be sure. Anyone? SWAdair | Talk 10:29, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
At one point I put a notice at the top of Colombia, reading something like, "One might be looking for Columbia, another name for the United States.". Soon, it got deleted. I put it back and posted something on the talk page. It got deleted again with no response, so I put it back demanding (too harshly, I admit) that the talk page be answered first. I argued about it a bit with Fibonacci, but there's still no feedback from anybody else. See Talk:Colombia for what we covered so far. Does the notice belong or not? - Furrykef 04:33, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
FWIW, they seem to have sent spam emails to one of the sites listed on my user page, based on my contributions to the article they link the email to on their mirror: http://custom-error-page.wikiverse.org/ Is there any way to go after spammers that mirror, and abuse, Wikipedia? Niteowlneils 04:06, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Alase technologies just looks like an advertisement. I read the VfD procedure but it looks way too complicated for me so I thought I would mention it here. Scraggy4 03:20, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This article has a "guardian" who is reverting any attempts to NPOV and provide links or information which he does not personally agree with. Since I don't agree w edit warring, I am mentioning this here w the hope of community involvement improving the group editing of this page. Sam [ Spade] 03:06, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Fait accompli has a vfd tag from 7/15/04, with a blank talk page. The discussion seems to clearly be a consenus to delete. I don't think putting it back on VFD so soon is the right thing to do. If it was in the same condition as it was during voting, I would assume we could just delete it 'per process after the fact'. However it is now several times longer, which means it's very different from what was voted on, so that doesn't seem like a fair solution. On the other hand, the additions are kinda rough, and I'm not familiar enuf with the exact def/usage to judge how applicable they are. Anyone with both a strong knowledge of WP process (esp. correcting variances) and the term "Fait accompli" want to try and sort this out? Niteowlneils 03:01, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I want to ask if we should protect the Joe Arpaio page. We keep getting some non-wikipedian to revert to information he added indicating that Arpaio is guilty or involved in many law violations. Not coincidental;ly, Arpaio is seeking re-election as sheriff...a political rival, perhaps?
" Antonio America's silliest guy Martin"
" Antonio Super Insane Martin"
I want to move Callus and Corns of the Foot to Callus, but there's a redirect at the latter; how do I get that moved? It appears someone has just now moved ITIS to Integrated Taxonomic Information System. How do they do that? grendel| khan 02:56, 2004 Aug 7 (UTC)
When I'm working on an article, and I Google on the subject in hopes of finding out a bit more about it, I'm finding increasingly that most of the top hits are to the very article that I'm tinkering with, or to mirrors thereof.
Don't you just hate it when that happens?
It seems much of the useful encyclopedic content on the Web has already gotten sucked into Wikipedia. When mining for Wikipedia articles, the Google lode is getting exhausted. Do I need to do something radical and drastic... like going to the library? [[User:Dpbsmith| Dpbsmith (talk)]] 02:35, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
In my experience, if you are failing to find useful, relevant content on the web, one or more of the following usually applies: (1) you are working in an area that we already have well-covered (2) you need more creative searching strategies that will find something other than Google's top ten on the obvious keywords (3) you are a monolingual English-speaker, who cannot access the mass of excellent online information in other languages... including the Wikipedias in other languages. For example, we still could use translations of most of the featured articles from the French and German wikipedias, which are emphatically part of the Web. -- Jmabel 07:58, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC)
I appreciated Dpbsmith's quip: "Do I need to do something radical and drastic... like going to the library?" My experience is that for the topics I've researched for the Wikipedia using both books and Web pages, there is more stuff, and better stuff, in books than there is on the Web. A person who writes a book is often very invested and puts a big chunk of her life into it; Web sites are usually (if not always) done on the fly, and thus suffer from the recycling mentioned above. Opus33 20:59, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hey, a few days ago I started the gameinfo wiki, which is small and humble right now but will grow with time. The aim is to compile data on every game ever made (concentrating on computer and video games, but we may expand from there), similar to GameFAQs, but it's a wiki, and each game will have only one guide for simplicity. Should I or should I not link to gameinfo for articles relevant to a game? For instance, should Civilization computer game contain a link to http://moinmoin.riters.com/gameinfo/index.cgi/PC/Civ as an external link? - Furrykef 23:03, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
What if I restrict it only to games that have guides or other substantial information? - Furrykef 18:35, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Well, each game should have a guide -- eventually. I don't consider the guide anything special except that it's likely to have more content than any other kind of game information with the possible exception of reviews. I'd prefer to link to the game page itself for the "chat" and "review" links, not to mention the game description (which may well include something the Wikipedia entry does not, like a game excerpt), publication data, etc... - Furrykef 19:27, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I have a question about dealing with people like User:JohnDoeTM. His five contributions to date are: improperly marking all three new article contributions of an anon with Speedy tags, leaving an derogatory vandalism accusation on the anon's user talk page, and a spurious comment on his own Talk page. I polished one contrib into a stub, and Hadal has taken care of the other two, so that's taken care of, and I don't care about Doe's talk page. I've added a welcome msg to the anon's Talk page, but I would really like to remove the rant, but I don't know if that would violate User Talk page policy. Niteowlneils 19:08, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
After a two week outage EasyTimeline is up and running again. For those who want to try it, see examples at w:Category:Graphical Timelines, many more at w:de:Kategorie:Zeitleiste (Zeitleiste = Timeline, Vorlage = Template). For those who want to give it a try: it may be a bit overwhelming at first when you start a new timeline, the easy in EasyTimeline reflects that an existing timeline is pretty easy to understand, correct or translate. Most editors seek an existing timeline and use that as a model. This will bring you up to speed. See also intro on meta. Erik Zachte 17:03, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
After I did a small amok run on this, I was convinced to discuss it first. The question is, how to use Categorization to enable (in the future) excluding "Fictional" articles from searches. The main discussion seem to go here Category talk:Fictional, but also have a look at Category talk:Fiction and maybe Wikipedia:Categorization -- Pjacobi 16:51, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Why are there so many edit-protected templates? I can understand if a popular template might have vandalism problems, but some of the protected templates are things like Template:Cc-by-nd-nc, and the most-used templates like Template:Stub aren't. There are 49 protected templates listed on Wikipedia:Protected page, and I've found some protected ones that aren't listed. What if someone wants to do something benign, like, say, make a new category using a template? Do all of those have to be protected? [[User:Mike Storm| Mike ∞ Storm]] 14:03, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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sourceforgeHi. I am trying to move Tagalog to Tagalog_language but it's not allowing it. Could someone help me out, please? Thanks. -- Chris 04:55, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
he is deleting the article Avigad Berman for no reason
it's a fictional charactor! not a real person!!!
According to the Avigad Berman Talk page, the contrib of this article has been banned from Hebrew Wikipedia. Searching "avigad berman" gets two hits, both sites in Hebrew. I'd say, nuke the article, and if it continues to get posted, ban the user from EN, as well. Niteowlneils 17:56, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The article has been listed on wikipedia:votes for deletion Clearly 217.132.176.75 does not need to be blocked. theresa knott 18:55, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hvar er pí greinin eiginlega? ef maður leitar að henni virðist hún á Π sem er tilvísun í π. -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 20:06, 2004 Aug 17 (UTC)
If anyone can get rid of the caption on this military photo of Ben Nighthorse Campbell, I'd be forever grateful. Neutrality 21:27, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The issue of whether a substub category is desirable has been debated extensively, without a clear conclusion. Currently we are trying to decide what to do with the substub template, and a survey is being conducted at Template talk:Substub. More input is welcome there. -- Michael Snow 21:32, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hello, I did this for the german WP before, and am now planning to do this for the english WP as well:
I downloaded the database tables cur and image (dump of august 08) and am looking for
I plan to upload these, so that this inconsistencies can be cleared. At de I also looked at each of the image pages to see if an image exists and wrote this information into the list too. Entries without images were deleted shortly after I put them on VfD.
At de I put these lists onto a subpage of my user page ( de:Benutzer:SirJective/Bildprobleme) and could do this here as well. But maybe there is a better place for this, and maybe someone already did this.
I welcome any comments on this. -- SirJective 20:24, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
We have an image named Image:É??ç??å ´ã?«ã?¦ 003.jpg. If we want to make this something meaningful, is this page going to have to be downloaded and then re-uploaded with a different name? Rick K 19:50, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)
Is there any way to find new users (to welcome them), without doing a SQL query? (the database seems to be locked at the current moment and I don't feel like downloading it). — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 17:27, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This morning Yahoo is featuring our article about Terry Nichols in Yahoo! News, take a look: http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat=Oklahoma_City_Bombing
Ruiz 16:51, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Is it possible to upload a Java applet into Wikipedia?
How do I create a new category? -- Auximines 14:18, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Can someone tell me why one cannot frame Wikipedia pages? Since one cannot add frames (or iframes) selectively via browsers (sigh) and since one cannot add frames at Wikipedia, and since frames (and iframes) could add tremendous usefulness to wiki articles (e.g., viewing discussion pages, (targeted) page histories, diffs, "what links here", or even the edit pages alongside the article pages), I would hope that the source code for Wikipedia might be modified to allow all of its pages to be framed. If copyright is for some reason an issue, I would think that would be the problem of the person who tried hosting the frames. Brettz9 05:48, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
if( window.top != window ) window.top.location = window.location;
Discussion moved to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television) -- Netoholic 21:25, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Did something change internally with the way moves work? If so, this is great, but I can't find any details in the history about who moved a page and when. Is this available somehow? Additionally, is there any chance of adding a field to list a reason for a move? anthony (see warning) 11:42, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I think this footer should have an empty line or two between the article and itself. As of this writing it is too close to the article in my opinion. -- Wernher 00:43, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Could someone explain in plain English what this footer means and what its purpose is? Adam 08:16, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Where is the right place to discuss changes to this feature now that it exists, and where would have been the right place to learn about it while it was still being planned? — AlanBarrett 10:17, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I agree this change as implemented is very confusing. Is the intention to force people to link back under the GFDL? anthony (see warning) 11:42, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
What Pete said. This certainly wouldn't prevent mirroring, and unless the text is in the database it wouldn't even hinder mirroring. Besides, we explicitly want to encourage mirroring, that's why we allow our database to be downloaded. If we want to try to force mirrors to link back to us, then we should be putting this text in the database dumps. Otherwise no one is going to use it. anthony (see warning) 17:20, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This is just for the printable version. It always used to be there but was accidentally dropped when monobook was introduced. It only shows up on the printed version, not on the viewable page (for most browsers). If you can see it, reload the page and it will disappear as it might be accidentally in your cache. Angela . 19:28, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)
Ah, yes, reloading removes it. See the message from Tim Starling above for a bit of explanation. anthony (see warning) 19:55, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
It took me the better part of a day to realize what you guys were talking about :) -- god bless the old Wikipedia skin and its trouble-free interface. →Raul654 19:58, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)
At Wikipedia:Article of the week today, Baghdad and Renaissance are tied at 21 votes. Renaissance has gathered the same amount of votes in a shorter time period, but Baghdad was nominated earlier ...
We need a tie-breaker. Please come and discuss at Wikipedia talk:Article of the week. Thanks.
-- PFHLai 22:34, 2004 Aug 8 (UTC)
I've quit this project three times now, twice over this substub-writing idiot. The proxies change but they're all from the Northeast division of SBC. I really want to come back on a limited basis, but I will not put up with this troll. He/she is driving MikeH out of his mind with malformed entries about soap opera stars, little-known TV shows and minor movies. Ditto RickK. I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Regan left over this ninny as well. He left a number of messages on the different proxies. No one has answered them, and no one has ever answered the requests for contact.
Sysops, I am begging you. Please. Just block the range. These entries are useless. - Lucky 6.9 22:26, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Check out what this guy did to the Matt Crane article today: [9] Rick K 04:44, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)
Another thing I noticed that I failed to mention: the person seems to be at this site, because for every red link I'll make in a soap opera article, the person will fill it in. That happened when I accidentally wikilinked Gary Pelzer (text: "gary pelzer") and what has just happened to Lynn Herring. Mike H 17:39, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)
If it's really that bad, why not report it to the "abuse@" email for the ISP (if you can track down SBC, or whoever it is)? Be sure to incorporate as much information re IP addresses and timing and evidence of the abuse. Noisy 18:22, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Just let me know that the guy's back and what ID he's using, and I'll delete all of his entries and block him from posting for 24 hours. And if people don't like it they can take it up at RfC. Rick K 23:58, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)
There must be something strange about the image Image:Monalisa.jpg in Leonardo da Vinci. For some reason whenever I view that page, the Mona Lisa picture never renders and thereafter, IE6 won't render any images until it is restarted -- Solipsist 21:57, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The article count shown on special:Statistics is 6,856,900, but the number on WikiStats for August 5th is 292,000. I really don't think that we added nearly 30,000 articles in 4 days. What's up with this? -- mav 07:19, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Read this page. When the mouse hovers over a wikilink, the top of the linked definition is brought out in a "tooltip" popup. This is done client-side with Javascript; the generation of the page does not require more database requests.
It works on Mozilla and related browsers, on Opera and on Internet Explorer; it is broken on Konqueror. (Apparently, Konqueror lacks support for some CSS properties.)
Comments on my talk page or here. David.Monniaux 22:00, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
As far as I remember "wikipedia is not a guide", so am I right to guess that how-to and everything in it is content "to be cleaned up sometime and expected not to be expanded further"? I specifically ask because I told a guy that he should not create howtos in article space and he pointed me to this specific article and its contents. I believe this is wikibooks content, and not wikipedia's.-- grin ✎ 19:33, 2004 Aug 7 (UTC)
How to Guides generally belong on Wikibooks, because they are not strictly encyclopedic, wikibooks is a collection of books, documentation, and textbooks written by the equivalent of wikipedians. So that is where how to guides belong. — siro χ o 09:30, Aug 8, 2004 (UTC)
I am searching for the correct person to address this issue: The infobox on terrorism lists Islamic .. rather than Islamist .., which I believe is a more precise and respectful label. That way it is possible to distinguish the adjective (Islamic) for a religious group from the adjective (Islamist) for a political group with an agenda. My template for this is the distinction between the secular from the secularism articles. That puts the label more in line with the ism article as well. I realize that involves some page moves as well. Ancheta Wis 19:02, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
After I've gone away for the evening and come back to Wikipedia the next day (I have my Favorites set to go to the Main Page), I ge the "You have new messages.", even though I don't have any and had not had that message when I went away. Any way to not have that happen any more? Rick K 18:06, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC)
Check your page history. Some anon vandalized your talk page and someone else cleaned it up. That may've been interpreted as new messages. Salasks 19:52, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC)
This often happened to me, oddly in both Opera and IE. It definately was cache-related, as a CTRL-F5 would bring up a totally different frontpage, sans the 'messages' message. TPK 05:32, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I uploaded Image:Arimaa_Setup.png and then realized a jpg would be smaller than a png, so I uploaded Image:Arimaa_Setup.jpg instead. Now I want to delete the png, because it is taking up space and not linked to by the Arimaa article. How do I delete an unused image? Thanks, -- Fritzlein 00:26, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Can anyone figure out why Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Societas_Via_Romana refuses to show up on the main VfD page? Niteowlneils 03:27, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I hope I'm not opening a can of worms or making a Frequently Rejected Suggestion, but I think that when you look at a Table of Contents, you should see just "Contents", not "Table of Contents". After all, you can tell it's a table. I've just checked several books in different fields, and their TOCs are headed simply "Contents" (or some slight variation).
-- JerryFriedman 16:32, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Just wanted to announce that there is a new WikiProject: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Arcade_Games. Hop on over and add yourself to the Participants if you're interested. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:19, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)
This anon's contribs have been vandalism, but of a weird type. What are those contributions under "Excrement (weird character) (weird character)" etc? [[User:Meelar| Meelar (talk)]] 14:49, 2004 Aug 10 (UTC)
Is anyone else getting a "Retrieved from "(full URL of the page being viewed)"" line at the bottom of all Wikipedia pages? I am and I have no idea why. It's kinda creeping me out. Lachatdelarue 14:15, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Where should comments and questions about "Special:" pages go, since they don't have their own talk pages? I'm thinking in particular of the page Special:Statistics (which personally I think should be renamed to Special:Site statistics or Special:Wikipedia statistics or something). This came up because some people have asked about the site stats page on Talk:Statistics. I added a link there to the Village pump, but there's gotta be a better place. - dcljr 04:17, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
How do I find out on what pages an image is used? "What links here" gives me no pages for every photo I've tried, and I know they're used on pages (and have been for months). Is something broken and I've missed a discussion? Or is this user error? Elf | Talk 03:08, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)