The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 May 15. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:25, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. Near-unanimous consensus.Other similar templates and/or modules may be discussed at new TFD(s). (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:32, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Inhibits consistent formatting. Wikipedia:Template namespace states "Templates help maintain consistent formatting and aid navigation between articles." Creating a template that alters heading format makes articles that use it have formatting that is inconsistent with other articles. Also, although "Template namespace" only refers to navigation between articles, navigation within an article is equally important. Nonstandard heading format makes it impossible for readers to use their familiarity with Wikipedia heading formats to determine whether or not a heading is a subheading of another heading, or not. This makes the context of statements harder to determine and can change the meaning of statements. Jc3s5h ( talk) 12:18, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Also, FA and GA do not determine our writing and coding standards. They exist to assess whether an article's coverage of a topic rises to pre-existing overall quality expectations tied closely to the core content policies, i.e. whether they comply with them. FAs and GAs reflect quality, they don't define it. And most of them are only very slowly updated to comply with site-wide changes, due to general (and sometimes particular editor) resistance to editing an FA at all for fear of it ending up at WP:FAR. Years-old FAs are never an excuse to do something sub-par, because they are snapshots of an assessment that happened long ago under different standards, not exemplars of current standards (except perhaps with regard to overall quality of English-language writing to present information). HTML and CSS coding is not assessed as part of FA or GA, and neither assess MoS compliance at all except for some key matters. I'm hard-pressed to find any FA anywhere that doesn't have at least some MoS problems, because no one checks them for full MoS compliance in the course of WP:FAC.
But this isn't really an MoS matter, anyway. What's at issue here is a broader consensus on how WP is structured and how that structure is coded (the consensus of how we've been doing it for over a decade and a half, not a set of line-item rules trying to cover every possible eventuality). There is no MoS line-item about using CSS wrappers to change the output of HTML headings (or any of 100+ other HTML elements); rather, there's the fact that we have millions of articles and they do not do this, except for ones where a single editor is doing something divergent to suit his personal preferences.
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SMcCandlish
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01:11, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
<span>...</span>
and applying pixel-units font sizing, is just doing HTML design wrongly.
Andy Dingley (
talk)
15:20, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Also Template:Hr-nt and Module:Hr are less-used and less-documented (perhaps obsolete) parts of his odd formatting scheme. Delete those, too. Also same with Template:H4 and Module:H4. Dicklyon ( talk) 05:46, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:25, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Advertisement, not a proper use of navbox. Renata ( talk) 02:18, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:24, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:End with
Template:!).
We don't need two distinct "end of table" templates.
{{3x|p}}ery (
talk)
00:43, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:22, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Entirely redundant to Module:Data (note: Module:U.S. States/data is not nominated) {{3x|p}}ery ( talk) 02:26, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:22, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
This is functionally equivalent to {{ Cite doi}}/{{ Cite pmid}} (which were deprecated following a massive RfC), except using a different kind of identifier. {{3x|p}}ery ( talk) 02:20, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. Template:Nation's Great Leaders Plot, Mount Herzl may be refunded shall the editors contacted by Izno show any interest. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:21, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
This is basically a guide/map to individual graves in the Mt. Herzl cemetary. Wikipedia is not a travel guide. The 'Navigation' template is just a container for the first template. PepperBeast (talk) 01:54, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 May 15. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:25, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. Near-unanimous consensus.Other similar templates and/or modules may be discussed at new TFD(s). (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:32, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Inhibits consistent formatting. Wikipedia:Template namespace states "Templates help maintain consistent formatting and aid navigation between articles." Creating a template that alters heading format makes articles that use it have formatting that is inconsistent with other articles. Also, although "Template namespace" only refers to navigation between articles, navigation within an article is equally important. Nonstandard heading format makes it impossible for readers to use their familiarity with Wikipedia heading formats to determine whether or not a heading is a subheading of another heading, or not. This makes the context of statements harder to determine and can change the meaning of statements. Jc3s5h ( talk) 12:18, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Also, FA and GA do not determine our writing and coding standards. They exist to assess whether an article's coverage of a topic rises to pre-existing overall quality expectations tied closely to the core content policies, i.e. whether they comply with them. FAs and GAs reflect quality, they don't define it. And most of them are only very slowly updated to comply with site-wide changes, due to general (and sometimes particular editor) resistance to editing an FA at all for fear of it ending up at WP:FAR. Years-old FAs are never an excuse to do something sub-par, because they are snapshots of an assessment that happened long ago under different standards, not exemplars of current standards (except perhaps with regard to overall quality of English-language writing to present information). HTML and CSS coding is not assessed as part of FA or GA, and neither assess MoS compliance at all except for some key matters. I'm hard-pressed to find any FA anywhere that doesn't have at least some MoS problems, because no one checks them for full MoS compliance in the course of WP:FAC.
But this isn't really an MoS matter, anyway. What's at issue here is a broader consensus on how WP is structured and how that structure is coded (the consensus of how we've been doing it for over a decade and a half, not a set of line-item rules trying to cover every possible eventuality). There is no MoS line-item about using CSS wrappers to change the output of HTML headings (or any of 100+ other HTML elements); rather, there's the fact that we have millions of articles and they do not do this, except for ones where a single editor is doing something divergent to suit his personal preferences.
—
SMcCandlish
☏
¢ 😼
01:11, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
<span>...</span>
and applying pixel-units font sizing, is just doing HTML design wrongly.
Andy Dingley (
talk)
15:20, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Also Template:Hr-nt and Module:Hr are less-used and less-documented (perhaps obsolete) parts of his odd formatting scheme. Delete those, too. Also same with Template:H4 and Module:H4. Dicklyon ( talk) 05:46, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:25, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Advertisement, not a proper use of navbox. Renata ( talk) 02:18, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:24, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:End with
Template:!).
We don't need two distinct "end of table" templates.
{{3x|p}}ery (
talk)
00:43, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:22, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Entirely redundant to Module:Data (note: Module:U.S. States/data is not nominated) {{3x|p}}ery ( talk) 02:26, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:22, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
This is functionally equivalent to {{ Cite doi}}/{{ Cite pmid}} (which were deprecated following a massive RfC), except using a different kind of identifier. {{3x|p}}ery ( talk) 02:20, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. Template:Nation's Great Leaders Plot, Mount Herzl may be refunded shall the editors contacted by Izno show any interest. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged Blades Godric 10:21, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
This is basically a guide/map to individual graves in the Mt. Herzl cemetary. Wikipedia is not a travel guide. The 'Navigation' template is just a container for the first template. PepperBeast (talk) 01:54, 7 May 2018 (UTC)