The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:06, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
This is basically a 'current squad' template for a national team, which 1) doesn't really exist and 2) simply isn't needed. Giant Snowman 18:46, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:06, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Was used only 4 times, I've orphaned it (diffs: [1] [2] [3] [4]). Doesn't seem to be a use case that needs a seperate template; in cases where it needs to be specified as a homophone, custom text with {{ Distinguish2}} can be used (as I did here) Galobtter ( pingó mió) 15:34, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merge as discussed, though obviously while the merger is being performed it should be backwards-compatible with existing usage so as to not break things. Primefac ( talk) 17:34, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Redirect3 with
Template:Redirect and
Template:About2 with
Template:About.
Implement their ability for custom text as a text= option in the main template that would add custom text to the end. (and which would suppress the automatic "for other uses see foo (disambiguation)" in the case of say {{about|foo|text = xyz}})). Then the templates {{
About2}} and {{
Redirect3}} can be deleted after the instances of use converted. Note: can't tag {{
Redirect}} or {{
About}}
Galobtter (
pingó mió)
12:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
|text=
to existing templates, by all means do, but is there any benefit whatsoever in then deleting the templates that the new functionality will duplicate? I don't see why people should be forced to write {{about|text=}}
instead of {{about2}}
. Also, {{
about2}} is intuitive as it follows the pattern of other
hatnote templates, where the appended "2" is used to distinguish the templates that take free text. –
Uanfala (talk)
14:23, 18 February 2018 (UTC)|t=
Galobtter (
pingó mió)
16:29, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
|t=
parameter as a better solution than the current system of different template names (although I'm not entirely convinced), but even if the alternative is adopted the old templates had better be retained, possibly converted into wrappers. Either way, the gains in maintainability are slim: the family of templates are already pretty simple to begin with, and are there's rarely, if ever, any need to modify them. At any rate, I don't see deletion as a viable option: I know how frustrating it can be to try improving things in the system once people have become set in their ways, but if the behaviour of these templates is altered, the disruption will be high: the templates are well established and widely known – they have been around since the early days, most of them have hundreds of transclusions, some (like {{
Other uses2}} and {{
Distinguish2}}) have thousands. –
Uanfala (talk)
17:23, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
{{about2}} is intuitive: quite nonsensical. Which editor can use {{About2}} without checking its documentation? Using
|text=
sounds OK; using #2 does not. And while nom may think of moving this forward, that is not relevant here. (So nom, don't get distracted into this off-topic ;-) ). -
DePiep (
talk)
01:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC)|text=
is added I'll similarily warn against using it), could have some benefits.
Galobtter (
pingó mió)
19:36, 18 February 2018 (UTC)only be used in seldom cases: could be true (I did not find this), but these merges do not add legitimation. It is an existing option. Then, our main goal is to help the editors out by easifying hatnote usage, not prevent proper usage by complicating things. This also helps writing good hatnote sentences. As for tracking: this tool already does a nice job. - DePiep ( talk) 14:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. No opposition. Primefac ( talk) 17:37, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Unneeded navbox to simply list the founders of the record company. WP:NENAN. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 03:40, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:06, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
This is basically a 'current squad' template for a national team, which 1) doesn't really exist and 2) simply isn't needed. Giant Snowman 18:46, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:06, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Was used only 4 times, I've orphaned it (diffs: [1] [2] [3] [4]). Doesn't seem to be a use case that needs a seperate template; in cases where it needs to be specified as a homophone, custom text with {{ Distinguish2}} can be used (as I did here) Galobtter ( pingó mió) 15:34, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merge as discussed, though obviously while the merger is being performed it should be backwards-compatible with existing usage so as to not break things. Primefac ( talk) 17:34, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Redirect3 with
Template:Redirect and
Template:About2 with
Template:About.
Implement their ability for custom text as a text= option in the main template that would add custom text to the end. (and which would suppress the automatic "for other uses see foo (disambiguation)" in the case of say {{about|foo|text = xyz}})). Then the templates {{
About2}} and {{
Redirect3}} can be deleted after the instances of use converted. Note: can't tag {{
Redirect}} or {{
About}}
Galobtter (
pingó mió)
12:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
|text=
to existing templates, by all means do, but is there any benefit whatsoever in then deleting the templates that the new functionality will duplicate? I don't see why people should be forced to write {{about|text=}}
instead of {{about2}}
. Also, {{
about2}} is intuitive as it follows the pattern of other
hatnote templates, where the appended "2" is used to distinguish the templates that take free text. –
Uanfala (talk)
14:23, 18 February 2018 (UTC)|t=
Galobtter (
pingó mió)
16:29, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
|t=
parameter as a better solution than the current system of different template names (although I'm not entirely convinced), but even if the alternative is adopted the old templates had better be retained, possibly converted into wrappers. Either way, the gains in maintainability are slim: the family of templates are already pretty simple to begin with, and are there's rarely, if ever, any need to modify them. At any rate, I don't see deletion as a viable option: I know how frustrating it can be to try improving things in the system once people have become set in their ways, but if the behaviour of these templates is altered, the disruption will be high: the templates are well established and widely known – they have been around since the early days, most of them have hundreds of transclusions, some (like {{
Other uses2}} and {{
Distinguish2}}) have thousands. –
Uanfala (talk)
17:23, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
{{about2}} is intuitive: quite nonsensical. Which editor can use {{About2}} without checking its documentation? Using
|text=
sounds OK; using #2 does not. And while nom may think of moving this forward, that is not relevant here. (So nom, don't get distracted into this off-topic ;-) ). -
DePiep (
talk)
01:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC)|text=
is added I'll similarily warn against using it), could have some benefits.
Galobtter (
pingó mió)
19:36, 18 February 2018 (UTC)only be used in seldom cases: could be true (I did not find this), but these merges do not add legitimation. It is an existing option. Then, our main goal is to help the editors out by easifying hatnote usage, not prevent proper usage by complicating things. This also helps writing good hatnote sentences. As for tracking: this tool already does a nice job. - DePiep ( talk) 14:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete. No opposition. Primefac ( talk) 17:37, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Unneeded navbox to simply list the founders of the record company. WP:NENAN. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 03:40, 18 February 2018 (UTC)