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The result of the discussion was Delete  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Thongchai McIntyre ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A very red-linked template making it non-navigable which is what a navbox is supposed to be for. Not against recreation should the articles be created but it's been almost a year since the template was. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars ( talk) 21:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete and replace with {{ infobox officeholder}}. There appears to be consensus for replacing this infobox, but {{ infobox monarch}} is indeed not entirely appropriate. Given that the majority of the other shogun articles use the "officeholder" infobox, this seems appropriate.  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Infobox Ruler Japan ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to Template:Infobox Monarch Connormah ( talk | contribs) 18:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Twinning ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template puts a flag icon and a wikilinked country with an article. Trouble is flag icons are not encouraged within prose and wiklinking countries is considered overlinking. I can see no reason for retaining a template that encourages lazy, bad practice. Simple Bob ( talk) 17:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. Weak keep. Heh, obviously I'm going to !vote for my own template.<gr> Seriously, though. 1) this is an attempt to emulate the French Jumelage template. a) yes, just 'cause another wiki does something doesn't mean it's appropriate for English Wiki, and b) my attempt currently doesn't have anywhere the functionality of the French version, so it's far less useful. OTOH, it could be expanded to deal with years,etc. 2) the use of flagicon and country is already common - this just regularizes a common practice. OTOH, if it regularizes BAD practice, I can see that it would be considered counter-productive.
Are there any guidelines you guys could point me to? (I'm getting used to the the guidelines at AfD, but no one has proposed one of my templates before.) And what happens to the existing instances if a template is taken away? Yours in Service to Wiki David V Houston ( talk) 18:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment this does not look like a prose template to me, since it appears to be a list entry template. 76.66.193.224 ( talk) 03:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - I agree with the nominator, this is not in keeping with our practice on the use of flags and country links. (The French wiki may do things differently.) I've got no problem with listing twin towns in articles, but all that's needed is a link to the town - not a flag or link to the country - and no template is needed for that. Robofish ( talk) 12:48, 7 June 2010 (UTC) reply
Technically, it IS keeping with PRACTICE. It may not be in keeping with POLICY. Still, I see your point. David V Houston ( talk) 01:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC) reply
Would an automated script just unroll the template, and e.g. leave the flag icons there? An automated bot can't do much in the way of turning it into prose... David V Houston ( talk) 14:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC) reply
If the flag icons are deprecated, it would replace it with something very simple like * [[{{{1}}}]], [[{{{2}}}]]. Converting this to prose would be up to someone else. However, given there are only about 12 transclusions, I don't see it as that big of an issue. Thanks! Plastikspork ( talk) 03:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC) reply
Since the template is obviously going to be deleted (since I was the only one who spoke up for it, and that, weakly), I've already removed most of the occurrences of it. David V Houston ( talk) 21:28, 11 June 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was redirect to {{ navboxes}}. I'm deleting Template:Related pages/doc. delldot ∇. 16:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Related pages ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{ Navboxes}}. The documentation says that this template is easier to use, but I don't see why. The only difference is that there is a different default title, and the use of "1=", rather than "list=". Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Luke Messer ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

External images don't work. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:MHA ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redlinked image, shouldn't be used like this anyway. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:PardonTheMess ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

{{ Under construction}} does this template's purpose much better. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Richard vauls ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Apparenttly, someone confused template space with the main space. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:42, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:ZAR ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Pointless. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Suki ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, no documentation, seems pointless and external images don't work. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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Descopy templates

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The result of the discussion was Delete both. Ruslik_ Zero 11:24, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Info box Actor ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Looks like someone tried to make an infobox but didn't succeed. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:41, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:CLP-2 Seasons ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only one article link exists within the navbox, the rest are redlinks. It is conceivable that some of these articles *could* be created at some point in the future, but given that this navbox was created in August 2008, I'd have expected to have seen some of them materialise by now. Jameboy ( talk) 13:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Birth year 1982 ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Shouldn't be used like this, we have {{ Birth date}} and {{ Birth date and age}} for this. The Evil IP address ( talk) 11:55, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 11:17, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Oscar Wilde portal ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, redundant to {{ Portal|Oscar Wilde}}, which eases maintaining templates. The Evil IP address ( talk) 11:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:44, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Africa portal ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, redundant to {{ Portal|Africa}}, which is better for maintaining the template. The Evil IP address ( talk) 11:00, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 11:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Northern Premier League Division One seasons ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox template contains only redlinks. Furthermore, it would seem unlikely that these articles will be created in the future, as the information resides within the articles contained in Category:Northern Premier League seasons. Jameboy ( talk) 10:50, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 11:20, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:American Idol 4th Place Contestants ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not a notable grouping of people Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Delete 4th place is not notable. -- Jameboy ( talk) 11:00, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 11:07, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Cake Boss ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not useful as a navigation template since all the links go to the same article Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Delete Navboxes should link related articles, not sections of one article. -- Jameboy ( talk) 11:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom. The TOC does the job within articles. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 12:30, 6 June 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was Keep. Ruslik_ Zero 11:37, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:California sports ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Orphaned template. The scope seems a bit wide for a useful navigation box. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Keep for the same reason it was created...almost all the other states have sports templates, and we should try for the full set. Though it is orphaned, it doesn't qualify for TFD as there are dozens of pages it could potentially be placed. Why delete the template with the most information? Purple backpack89 15:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. No longer orphaned. I've started applying it to articles. Thanks for the heads-up. -- Stepheng3 ( talk) 01:04, 6 June 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 11:10, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Bbyee ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Billboard Year-End no longer links the years, so it appears this template is no longer in use. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:12, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Agreed, apparently whatever it linked to when I created it has been replaced by something else. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) ( talk) 23:07, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:AT ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Does not belong in template space, created by indefinitely-blocked user via sock. User previously created Template:A which was previously deleted. nhjm449 ( talk) 02:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete Template:Di-no license-caption and replace it with Template:Deletable image-caption. Ruslik_ Zero 19:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Di-no license-caption ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Deletable image-caption ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Di-no license-caption with Template:Deletable image-caption.
Pretty much the same templates, the first one isn't even mentioned within {{ Di-no license}}. Using only one template is easier for editors and eases maintenance work. -- The Evil IP address ( talk) 11:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC) reply


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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The result of the discussion was Delete  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Thongchai McIntyre ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A very red-linked template making it non-navigable which is what a navbox is supposed to be for. Not against recreation should the articles be created but it's been almost a year since the template was. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars ( talk) 21:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete and replace with {{ infobox officeholder}}. There appears to be consensus for replacing this infobox, but {{ infobox monarch}} is indeed not entirely appropriate. Given that the majority of the other shogun articles use the "officeholder" infobox, this seems appropriate.  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Infobox Ruler Japan ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to Template:Infobox Monarch Connormah ( talk | contribs) 18:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Twinning ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template puts a flag icon and a wikilinked country with an article. Trouble is flag icons are not encouraged within prose and wiklinking countries is considered overlinking. I can see no reason for retaining a template that encourages lazy, bad practice. Simple Bob ( talk) 17:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. Weak keep. Heh, obviously I'm going to !vote for my own template.<gr> Seriously, though. 1) this is an attempt to emulate the French Jumelage template. a) yes, just 'cause another wiki does something doesn't mean it's appropriate for English Wiki, and b) my attempt currently doesn't have anywhere the functionality of the French version, so it's far less useful. OTOH, it could be expanded to deal with years,etc. 2) the use of flagicon and country is already common - this just regularizes a common practice. OTOH, if it regularizes BAD practice, I can see that it would be considered counter-productive.
Are there any guidelines you guys could point me to? (I'm getting used to the the guidelines at AfD, but no one has proposed one of my templates before.) And what happens to the existing instances if a template is taken away? Yours in Service to Wiki David V Houston ( talk) 18:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment this does not look like a prose template to me, since it appears to be a list entry template. 76.66.193.224 ( talk) 03:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - I agree with the nominator, this is not in keeping with our practice on the use of flags and country links. (The French wiki may do things differently.) I've got no problem with listing twin towns in articles, but all that's needed is a link to the town - not a flag or link to the country - and no template is needed for that. Robofish ( talk) 12:48, 7 June 2010 (UTC) reply
Technically, it IS keeping with PRACTICE. It may not be in keeping with POLICY. Still, I see your point. David V Houston ( talk) 01:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC) reply
Would an automated script just unroll the template, and e.g. leave the flag icons there? An automated bot can't do much in the way of turning it into prose... David V Houston ( talk) 14:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC) reply
If the flag icons are deprecated, it would replace it with something very simple like * [[{{{1}}}]], [[{{{2}}}]]. Converting this to prose would be up to someone else. However, given there are only about 12 transclusions, I don't see it as that big of an issue. Thanks! Plastikspork ( talk) 03:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC) reply
Since the template is obviously going to be deleted (since I was the only one who spoke up for it, and that, weakly), I've already removed most of the occurrences of it. David V Houston ( talk) 21:28, 11 June 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was redirect to {{ navboxes}}. I'm deleting Template:Related pages/doc. delldot ∇. 16:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Related pages ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{ Navboxes}}. The documentation says that this template is easier to use, but I don't see why. The only difference is that there is a different default title, and the use of "1=", rather than "list=". Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Luke Messer ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

External images don't work. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:MHA ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redlinked image, shouldn't be used like this anyway. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:PardonTheMess ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

{{ Under construction}} does this template's purpose much better. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Richard vauls ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Apparenttly, someone confused template space with the main space. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:42, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:ZAR ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Pointless. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Suki ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, no documentation, seems pointless and external images don't work. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete both. Ruslik_ Zero 11:24, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Descopy ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Info box Actor ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Looks like someone tried to make an infobox but didn't succeed. The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:41, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:CLP-2 Seasons ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only one article link exists within the navbox, the rest are redlinks. It is conceivable that some of these articles *could* be created at some point in the future, but given that this navbox was created in August 2008, I'd have expected to have seen some of them materialise by now. Jameboy ( talk) 13:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as test page  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Birth year 1982 ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Shouldn't be used like this, we have {{ Birth date}} and {{ Birth date and age}} for this. The Evil IP address ( talk) 11:55, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 11:17, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Oscar Wilde portal ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, redundant to {{ Portal|Oscar Wilde}}, which eases maintaining templates. The Evil IP address ( talk) 11:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:44, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Africa portal ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, redundant to {{ Portal|Africa}}, which is better for maintaining the template. The Evil IP address ( talk) 11:00, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 11:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Northern Premier League Division One seasons ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox template contains only redlinks. Furthermore, it would seem unlikely that these articles will be created in the future, as the information resides within the articles contained in Category:Northern Premier League seasons. Jameboy ( talk) 10:50, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 11:20, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:American Idol 4th Place Contestants ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not a notable grouping of people Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Delete 4th place is not notable. -- Jameboy ( talk) 11:00, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 11:07, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Cake Boss ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not useful as a navigation template since all the links go to the same article Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Delete Navboxes should link related articles, not sections of one article. -- Jameboy ( talk) 11:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom. The TOC does the job within articles. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 12:30, 6 June 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was Keep. Ruslik_ Zero 11:37, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:California sports ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Orphaned template. The scope seems a bit wide for a useful navigation box. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Keep for the same reason it was created...almost all the other states have sports templates, and we should try for the full set. Though it is orphaned, it doesn't qualify for TFD as there are dozens of pages it could potentially be placed. Why delete the template with the most information? Purple backpack89 15:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. No longer orphaned. I've started applying it to articles. Thanks for the heads-up. -- Stepheng3 ( talk) 01:04, 6 June 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 11:10, 13 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Bbyee ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Billboard Year-End no longer links the years, so it appears this template is no longer in use. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:12, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Agreed, apparently whatever it linked to when I created it has been replaced by something else. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) ( talk) 23:07, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete  Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:AT ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Does not belong in template space, created by indefinitely-blocked user via sock. User previously created Template:A which was previously deleted. nhjm449 ( talk) 02:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was Delete Template:Di-no license-caption and replace it with Template:Deletable image-caption. Ruslik_ Zero 19:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Template:Di-no license-caption ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Deletable image-caption ( talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Di-no license-caption with Template:Deletable image-caption.
Pretty much the same templates, the first one isn't even mentioned within {{ Di-no license}}. Using only one template is easier for editors and eases maintenance work. -- The Evil IP address ( talk) 11:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC) reply


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC) reply
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