The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed. The template is incorrectly named, and stubs are - with a very few exceptions - split by current nation-state, not by former states. Currently only used on one stub, and I have strong doubts about whether this would reach the threshold level of 60 stubs. What's more, there is no permcat parent
Category:Greater Colombia. There is nothing here which could not better be served either by a Ecuador, Venezuela, Colombia or Panama stub, or by SouthAm-hist-stub.
Grutness...
wha?
23:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename using 2LA
{{
Colombia-geo-stub}} is in need of splitting. However it too has a first order subdivision named Amazonas (as do Venezuela and Peru as well). Rename to disambiguate as
Category:Amazonas (Brazilian state) geography stubs and the template as either {{
AmazonasBRA-geo-stub}} if we're going to start using the alpha3 codes per the KurdistanIran-geo-stub discussion below or {{
AmazonasBR-geo-stub}} if we're going to keep using the alpha2 codes for this sort of disambiguation.
Caerwine
Caer’s whines
07:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed. Even if we ignore, for the moment, the complete lack of adherence to standard stub template naming, this is simply not the sort of axis on which stubs are split. Sportspeople are split by sport and nationality, never by team, for the good and simple reason that many players end up playing for a multitude of teams whereas very few play more than one sport or for more than one country. If kept, which I hope is extremely unlikely, it would need to be renamed to be in keeping with other stub types (to T:StanfordCardinals-bio-stub and C:Stanford Cardinals sportspeople stubs), but there's no way this should exist in the first place, so Delete.
Grutness...
wha?
23:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename
Sounds like its scope is something akin to
Category:Roman Catholic orders and societies, but in fact it's more like (its permcat parent)
Category:Roman Catholicism in the world. Should possibly be renamed to better reflect that (perhaps simply to
Category:Roman Catholicism in the world stubs), but at a minimum, to something involving the "Roman Catholic*", like every other RC stub cat (not to say permcat).
Alai
23:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was upmerge
Created several months ago, remains rather small. Should probably be upmerged.
Alai
17:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was merge with film-stub
The parent category,
Category:Cult films, was deleted at
CfD on April 11, so this stub category and template seem inappropriate. (The category was deleted because the lack of a clear definition of "cult" made it difficult to set proper inclusion criteria). I suggest merging to {{
film-stub}} /
Category:Film stubs.
Category:Cult film stubs was nominated for deletion at today's CfD, but withdrawn to allow the discussion to be moved to SfD. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was upmerge/delete
{{
Kabbalah-stub}} was created as an upmerged template this time last month, with the proviso that it would eventually get its own category when it proved to have enough stubs. A month on, someone has created the category although there are a mere 11 stubs. There is clearly no need for a separate category yet - even with a wikiproject a minimum of 30 stubs shuld be present before there is a category. reupmerge the template/delete the category.
Grutness...
wha?
00:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed, cryptically named, no stub category (not even a redlink), unlikely to ever reach threshold, and adequately covered by other templates. Not needed. Delete.
Grutness...
wha?
02:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed. Upmerged, but astonishingly badly named. A very bad idea, too - geo-stubs are always split by current national boundaries - the reason for which should be obvious (consider a 2000-year old settlement in Croatia, and how many different stubs it might require). Delete.
Grutness...
wha?
02:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
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Strong Keep Please see the talk page for the template itself and the Wikipedia:WikiProject Palestine page. The template is to be used only for villages listed at List of villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. The geographical region as this time was known as Palestine, it is dated appropriately and the byline circumscribes its application. This was created to replace Template:Palestine-geo-stub which is currently locked and is not appropriate as is for placement on articles of this kind since the byline reads This geography of the Palestinian National Authority article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. These are depopulated villages that no longer exist and if they did, most would be located inside what is now Israel. (PS: I made the template and did not propose because I wasn't aware that I had to. Please forgive the oversight and reconsider this proposal for deletion.) Tiamut 02:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete I think Grutness' point was that geo-stub tagging should be limited to the two governments currently extant in that area, as trying to then document other historical layers will only end in dozens of templates that will quickly become devoid of any utility. The category will suffice in allowing organisation. Tewfik Talk 02:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom and the excellent example of why this is a bad idea. Isarig 04:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete per above.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 04:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete per Grutness. Valentinian T / C 16:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom and Tewfik. 6SJ7 20:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was rename
Unproposed. Upmerged, and maybe a reasonable idea, but the name used doesn't follow the naming guidelines. Rename to {{
Canada-country-band-stub}}.
Grutness...
wha?
02:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed duplicate of {{
Mil-stub}} - not a redirect, a duplicate. Most of what is theoretically covered by a "war stub" is covered by other stubs of all varieties, such as battle-stub, WWI-stub, WWII-stub, etc, and not by the general military stub that is mil-stub. So this is both an unnecessary duplicate and misleadingly misnamed. Delete.
Grutness...
wha?
06:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed. We split television by country, by subtopic (such as programme, people), and very, very occasionally by network. Splitting it by means of broadcast seems to be counterproductive and somewhat inappropriate given the standard ways of splitting tv stubs. And then there are the obvious problems with the "non-compliant" template name... Delete.
Grutness...
wha?
01:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
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Keep Please excuse my tone if I sound a little harsh because I do not understand the objections and they do not make sense; I want to understand and I'd like to argue the reasons why I think this is correct. I created this stub because there is no method available to distinguish items related to non-broadcast television entries. I looked for something else related to the issue. There was nothing. The issues involved with cable and satellite TV transmission are different from and do not have the same aspects as over-the-air television. If someone puts up a stub for a non-broadcast network, what should be used to mark it? {{tv-stub}}? What about specific encryption for non-broadcast issues? Issues over HD TV via cable and standard over-the-air? Further, this creates a specific stub that can be used to mark articles (through category) which are related to this form of technology as opposed to television in general. It is not counterproductive because the issues are not the same. Nor, based on the templates I have seen, does it appear to be inaccurately named, as I will explain.
The issues involved in ordinary 'television' are not the same for plain 'television' and such issues as cable-tv, satelite-tv, HD-tv, internet-based-tv, are different from each other, and articles which are related to these separate issues should be marked. For example, general broadcast TV, by law is forbidden to be encrypted. Almost all satelite-based transmissions are encrypted. Further, having a cable-tv and/or satellite stub allows adding of the category related to this issue as opposed to it being categorized as something else which isn't adequate, and maybe allows fixing of articles.
You don't like this? Give me an alternative. Tell me what now exists now - other than this template stub - that can be now be used to adequately identify the content. You don't like it, fine, give me a replacement to use. Otherwise you're simply saying to remove a stub because you don't like it and not because it is inaccurate or fails to correctly identify the subject matter in question. That's all that this comes down to. You don't like it because you don't like it, but you have no alternative to propose to solve the problem. All I have heard from people is their negative comments about they don't like it, but not one comment about what can be used now, as an adequate substitute.
If there is a published standard on the creation of stub templates, please show me the page name so I can understand.
Consider the issue, what can be used? Neither Tv-cable-stub nor Television-cable-stub exist. Neither do Television-satellite-stub. Further, common usage is 'cable-tv' or 'satellite-tv' not 'television-cable' or 'television-satellite'. Thus I would think 'cable-tv-stub' or 'satellite-tv-stub' would be appropriate. But again, if you don't like it, give me a reasonable alternative now available. I don't think 'television' as the prefix would work because the terms involved never use it that way.
I looked for something to use before creating this because there were two alternatives. Create a stub article (because I didn't have enough information at this time to add more) or not create an article at all. Given the choice, I could create a stub article with no mark indicating it was a stub, or create one with a stub. Okay, so I wanted to mark it as a stub article. Now, what could I use? I looked, and looked, and found nothing. Television alone is too broad an issue. There was nothing about Cable TV. Nothing beginning with 'Satellite'. In fact, having created this one, I put in a redirect template for 'Satelite-tv-stub' to point to this one. There is nothing available to indicate stubs relating to this subject other than television in general and that's too large an entry to cover this issue. You wouldn't include organic chemistry and general chemistry together in the same stub, just by only having a chemistry stub alone; the fields are too large and there are different issues involved. (I looked, there is a separate organic chemistry stub from the general 'chemistry-stub'.)
Further more, all I've seen in stub formats which exist now consist of subject-stub, e.g. {{Book-stub}}, {{Movie stub}} and {{Movie-stub}}, {{Television-bio-stub}}. Thus as far as I can tell this was correctly named in view of all the other stubs. If it's not, please be so kind as to explain where, in a simple, easily understood and well publicized place, are the normal standards to be used for the creation of stubs so in the future I will know what the standards are and be able to comply with them. Otherwise, you're again saying it should be deleted because you don't like it and not because of an easily understandable standard defining exactly what should be used. And you want it deleted despite the fact that it does serve a useful purpose and there is no substitute. Unless you want to claim that broadcast television and satellite/cable-tv are the same or that differentiating them is not a useful purpose. If differentiating between broadcast and non-broadcast television are a valid activity, then the stub should stand.
But, if despite there being a valid reason to differentiate between television in general and non-broadcast television, you think this stub should be deleted - and if you can offer a explanation as to why there should not be a differentiation between television as a general class and non-broadcast television, please do so - then that's the way you want it then the only answer I can see is to discontinue marking things as stubs since apparently if it's something you don't like and there's no alternative, all you can do is say that it should be thrown out with nothing to stand in its place, and your standards are nothing but subjective whim which have no basis in reason.
But again, show me something. Teach me that I may understand. Allow me to learn why it is inappropriate to differentiate between television in general and non-broadcast television. Show me the reasons why I was wrong OTHER than you simply don't like it. Allow me to know so I can do things right. I've been here for three years. and I've edited thousands of articles. Look at my user page and my talk page; people have even praised some of my edits. I'm not stupid (at least I don't think I am, maybe you can convince me :) ), and if I am wrong, show me the standards. Show me how I can understand so I don't make the same mistake in the future. I await your replies. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 14:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was keep, upmerge
Delete. Author requests immediate deletion. As pointed out, there is already a {{
Database-software-stub}} which is just dandy for database-software-related articles. At this point, the author does not intend to make use of this stub to categorize the potentially hundreds of database-related articles. Considering no one else has organized these articles properly up to this point, there's no expectation that anyone else will do this at this time. Therefore the stub is moot. This no longer concerns me.
SqlPac
21:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
The result of the debate was delete
Found this while closing the
related template discussion. Badly named and we don't need it since the template is upmerged. That's right, articles are placed into this cat manually.
~ Amalas
rawr
=^_^=
15:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename to UK-navy-stub and Cat:United Kingdom navy stubs
New, unproposed, but potentially vey useful stub type for articles relating to the
Royal Navy. And, indeed, the Royal Navy is known as the RN, but so are
a large number of other things. As such, like USN-stub before it, this one needs its name changed, either to RoyalNavy-stub or - in keeping with the other one named, to UK-navy-stub (which would also allow for its potential use on a very very slightly wider group of stubs). The related category
Category:Royal Navy stubs, BTW, needs clean-up, as it has no parents, no children, and virtually no stubs (these should all be remediable).
Grutness...
wha?
01:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
From WP:WSS/D. Not needed and not used. Delete.
Valentinian
T /
C
10:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename
From WP:WSS/D. The scope is clear on this one, and we have almost 100 articles. However, the name should have been {{
RioGrandedoSul-geo-stub}} (with a lowercase "D") to conform with the similar templates. Rename.
Valentinian
T /
C
10:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unused, and non-standard name. I've no objection to keeping {{
Movie-stub}}, but don't see much point in keeping this one around.
Grutness...
wha?
01:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed, astoundingly named, and currently used for bio-stubs about players for one club, which is a long-established outright no-no. Certainly unlikely ever to get to 60 stubs about a particular club (players not included), even if this were nicely named. Strong delete.
Grutness...
wha?
02:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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Dynamo had however many successful people and associations and therefore I imagined that I could manufacture an extra stub.--Kay Körner 18:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was delete, keeping upmerged template
The Chechen template has been upmerged to
Category:Russian people stubs and made more neutral. I'm still far from sure that it is a good idea keeping the template, but in any case, the category should go. Delete.
Valentinian
T /
C
21:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename
This one is not excessively large by itself but it can be a holder for a Pakistani cricket bio category. The name should have been
Category:Pakistani sportspeople stubs to conform with the similar material. Rename.
Valentinian
T /
C
21:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
From WP:WSS/D. This one was used on one tiny stub article of unclear notability. Delete unless we can find something useful to do with it.
Valentinian
T /
C
20:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
An oddly named redirect to {{
US-bio-stub}}. Apparently the idea was that the creator intended it to be used on articles for people of presumed U.S. nationality. Not needed and not used. Delete
Valentinian
T /
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20:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Looks like a terminated experiment
[1]. Delete (or change to something relating to music).
Valentinian
T /
C
22:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed, badly named, and - well, considering that there are no stub types for Elvis Presley, the Rolling Stones, U2, Pink Floyd... in fact no rock group or performer other than the Beatles has its own stub type. The chances of Powderfinger being the likely contender for next cab off the rank is low, to say the least. There are a number of stubs in the category, it's true, but they are all either musician-stubs or song-stubs, and classifying them by band will do nothing that a WikiProject-specific talk-page template won't do 100 times better for the associated wikiproject. Given that this is a subcategory of
Category:Stub-Class Powderfinger articles, it seems, the wikiproject involved in this is already using a talk-page WP-specific template, so they will gain nothing by this stub type, and neither will stub sorters or other editors. Delete as redundant.
Grutness...
wha?
00:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed - with the one exception of the Beatles (which has a very active WikiProject) there are no separate stub categories for songs by artist, partly because songs are often known recorded by multiple artists, and partly because a split by decate is more useful to editors. This particular category (which has no parents, stub or otherwise) has very few articles (six), and several those which it has are not stubs. The logical parent permcat
Category:The Carpenters songs has only 39 articles, so this will not currently meet the stub-sorting threshold of 60. Delete.
Grutness...
wha?
00:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed stub category for a fantasy world location that is itself a stub. The entirety of
Category:Nyeusigrube and its two subcategories is 16 articles - chances of there beig 60 current stubs, as per stub thresholds, is therefore nil. Delete.
Grutness...
wha?
00:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Only used on one article, scope too limited to warrant its own stub type.
Pagra
shtak
16:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was speedy delete per author request
Unproposed, nowhere near the threshold number of stubs, poor category capitalisation, no such permcat as
Category:Years in poetry. In general, there is nothing which suggests this would be a useful stub type. Delete.
Grutness...
wha?
02:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Utterly unnecessary unproposed and ambiguously-named duplicate of {{
baseball-bio-stub}} which could refer to
any number of things (this list, not surprisingly, does not include baseball). Delete
Grutness...
wha?
01:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was clean up and upmerge
Probably speediable - this says it's a template, but it's trying to act like a category. Looks like it may have been made by someone who doesn't know how to make eithet templates or categories properly and... well, have a look. Unused, and unlikely that it could be used in its present form.
Grutness...
wha?
01:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was upmerge
Stub categories use "Singular noun stubs" as their general naming format. Somehow, his one slipped through with an "s'. Rename.
Grutness...
wha?
23:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed. The template is incorrectly named, and stubs are - with a very few exceptions - split by current nation-state, not by former states. Currently only used on one stub, and I have strong doubts about whether this would reach the threshold level of 60 stubs. What's more, there is no permcat parent
Category:Greater Colombia. There is nothing here which could not better be served either by a Ecuador, Venezuela, Colombia or Panama stub, or by SouthAm-hist-stub.
Grutness...
wha?
23:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename using 2LA
{{
Colombia-geo-stub}} is in need of splitting. However it too has a first order subdivision named Amazonas (as do Venezuela and Peru as well). Rename to disambiguate as
Category:Amazonas (Brazilian state) geography stubs and the template as either {{
AmazonasBRA-geo-stub}} if we're going to start using the alpha3 codes per the KurdistanIran-geo-stub discussion below or {{
AmazonasBR-geo-stub}} if we're going to keep using the alpha2 codes for this sort of disambiguation.
Caerwine
Caer’s whines
07:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed. Even if we ignore, for the moment, the complete lack of adherence to standard stub template naming, this is simply not the sort of axis on which stubs are split. Sportspeople are split by sport and nationality, never by team, for the good and simple reason that many players end up playing for a multitude of teams whereas very few play more than one sport or for more than one country. If kept, which I hope is extremely unlikely, it would need to be renamed to be in keeping with other stub types (to T:StanfordCardinals-bio-stub and C:Stanford Cardinals sportspeople stubs), but there's no way this should exist in the first place, so Delete.
Grutness...
wha?
23:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename
Sounds like its scope is something akin to
Category:Roman Catholic orders and societies, but in fact it's more like (its permcat parent)
Category:Roman Catholicism in the world. Should possibly be renamed to better reflect that (perhaps simply to
Category:Roman Catholicism in the world stubs), but at a minimum, to something involving the "Roman Catholic*", like every other RC stub cat (not to say permcat).
Alai
23:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was upmerge
Created several months ago, remains rather small. Should probably be upmerged.
Alai
17:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was merge with film-stub
The parent category,
Category:Cult films, was deleted at
CfD on April 11, so this stub category and template seem inappropriate. (The category was deleted because the lack of a clear definition of "cult" made it difficult to set proper inclusion criteria). I suggest merging to {{
film-stub}} /
Category:Film stubs.
Category:Cult film stubs was nominated for deletion at today's CfD, but withdrawn to allow the discussion to be moved to SfD. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was upmerge/delete
{{
Kabbalah-stub}} was created as an upmerged template this time last month, with the proviso that it would eventually get its own category when it proved to have enough stubs. A month on, someone has created the category although there are a mere 11 stubs. There is clearly no need for a separate category yet - even with a wikiproject a minimum of 30 stubs shuld be present before there is a category. reupmerge the template/delete the category.
Grutness...
wha?
00:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed, cryptically named, no stub category (not even a redlink), unlikely to ever reach threshold, and adequately covered by other templates. Not needed. Delete.
Grutness...
wha?
02:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed. Upmerged, but astonishingly badly named. A very bad idea, too - geo-stubs are always split by current national boundaries - the reason for which should be obvious (consider a 2000-year old settlement in Croatia, and how many different stubs it might require). Delete.
Grutness...
wha?
02:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
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Strong Keep Please see the talk page for the template itself and the Wikipedia:WikiProject Palestine page. The template is to be used only for villages listed at List of villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. The geographical region as this time was known as Palestine, it is dated appropriately and the byline circumscribes its application. This was created to replace Template:Palestine-geo-stub which is currently locked and is not appropriate as is for placement on articles of this kind since the byline reads This geography of the Palestinian National Authority article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. These are depopulated villages that no longer exist and if they did, most would be located inside what is now Israel. (PS: I made the template and did not propose because I wasn't aware that I had to. Please forgive the oversight and reconsider this proposal for deletion.) Tiamut 02:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete I think Grutness' point was that geo-stub tagging should be limited to the two governments currently extant in that area, as trying to then document other historical layers will only end in dozens of templates that will quickly become devoid of any utility. The category will suffice in allowing organisation. Tewfik Talk 02:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom and the excellent example of why this is a bad idea. Isarig 04:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete per above.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 04:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete per Grutness. Valentinian T / C 16:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom and Tewfik. 6SJ7 20:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was rename
Unproposed. Upmerged, and maybe a reasonable idea, but the name used doesn't follow the naming guidelines. Rename to {{
Canada-country-band-stub}}.
Grutness...
wha?
02:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed duplicate of {{
Mil-stub}} - not a redirect, a duplicate. Most of what is theoretically covered by a "war stub" is covered by other stubs of all varieties, such as battle-stub, WWI-stub, WWII-stub, etc, and not by the general military stub that is mil-stub. So this is both an unnecessary duplicate and misleadingly misnamed. Delete.
Grutness...
wha?
06:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed. We split television by country, by subtopic (such as programme, people), and very, very occasionally by network. Splitting it by means of broadcast seems to be counterproductive and somewhat inappropriate given the standard ways of splitting tv stubs. And then there are the obvious problems with the "non-compliant" template name... Delete.
Grutness...
wha?
01:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
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Keep Please excuse my tone if I sound a little harsh because I do not understand the objections and they do not make sense; I want to understand and I'd like to argue the reasons why I think this is correct. I created this stub because there is no method available to distinguish items related to non-broadcast television entries. I looked for something else related to the issue. There was nothing. The issues involved with cable and satellite TV transmission are different from and do not have the same aspects as over-the-air television. If someone puts up a stub for a non-broadcast network, what should be used to mark it? {{tv-stub}}? What about specific encryption for non-broadcast issues? Issues over HD TV via cable and standard over-the-air? Further, this creates a specific stub that can be used to mark articles (through category) which are related to this form of technology as opposed to television in general. It is not counterproductive because the issues are not the same. Nor, based on the templates I have seen, does it appear to be inaccurately named, as I will explain.
The issues involved in ordinary 'television' are not the same for plain 'television' and such issues as cable-tv, satelite-tv, HD-tv, internet-based-tv, are different from each other, and articles which are related to these separate issues should be marked. For example, general broadcast TV, by law is forbidden to be encrypted. Almost all satelite-based transmissions are encrypted. Further, having a cable-tv and/or satellite stub allows adding of the category related to this issue as opposed to it being categorized as something else which isn't adequate, and maybe allows fixing of articles.
You don't like this? Give me an alternative. Tell me what now exists now - other than this template stub - that can be now be used to adequately identify the content. You don't like it, fine, give me a replacement to use. Otherwise you're simply saying to remove a stub because you don't like it and not because it is inaccurate or fails to correctly identify the subject matter in question. That's all that this comes down to. You don't like it because you don't like it, but you have no alternative to propose to solve the problem. All I have heard from people is their negative comments about they don't like it, but not one comment about what can be used now, as an adequate substitute.
If there is a published standard on the creation of stub templates, please show me the page name so I can understand.
Consider the issue, what can be used? Neither Tv-cable-stub nor Television-cable-stub exist. Neither do Television-satellite-stub. Further, common usage is 'cable-tv' or 'satellite-tv' not 'television-cable' or 'television-satellite'. Thus I would think 'cable-tv-stub' or 'satellite-tv-stub' would be appropriate. But again, if you don't like it, give me a reasonable alternative now available. I don't think 'television' as the prefix would work because the terms involved never use it that way.
I looked for something to use before creating this because there were two alternatives. Create a stub article (because I didn't have enough information at this time to add more) or not create an article at all. Given the choice, I could create a stub article with no mark indicating it was a stub, or create one with a stub. Okay, so I wanted to mark it as a stub article. Now, what could I use? I looked, and looked, and found nothing. Television alone is too broad an issue. There was nothing about Cable TV. Nothing beginning with 'Satellite'. In fact, having created this one, I put in a redirect template for 'Satelite-tv-stub' to point to this one. There is nothing available to indicate stubs relating to this subject other than television in general and that's too large an entry to cover this issue. You wouldn't include organic chemistry and general chemistry together in the same stub, just by only having a chemistry stub alone; the fields are too large and there are different issues involved. (I looked, there is a separate organic chemistry stub from the general 'chemistry-stub'.)
Further more, all I've seen in stub formats which exist now consist of subject-stub, e.g. {{Book-stub}}, {{Movie stub}} and {{Movie-stub}}, {{Television-bio-stub}}. Thus as far as I can tell this was correctly named in view of all the other stubs. If it's not, please be so kind as to explain where, in a simple, easily understood and well publicized place, are the normal standards to be used for the creation of stubs so in the future I will know what the standards are and be able to comply with them. Otherwise, you're again saying it should be deleted because you don't like it and not because of an easily understandable standard defining exactly what should be used. And you want it deleted despite the fact that it does serve a useful purpose and there is no substitute. Unless you want to claim that broadcast television and satellite/cable-tv are the same or that differentiating them is not a useful purpose. If differentiating between broadcast and non-broadcast television are a valid activity, then the stub should stand.
But, if despite there being a valid reason to differentiate between television in general and non-broadcast television, you think this stub should be deleted - and if you can offer a explanation as to why there should not be a differentiation between television as a general class and non-broadcast television, please do so - then that's the way you want it then the only answer I can see is to discontinue marking things as stubs since apparently if it's something you don't like and there's no alternative, all you can do is say that it should be thrown out with nothing to stand in its place, and your standards are nothing but subjective whim which have no basis in reason.
But again, show me something. Teach me that I may understand. Allow me to learn why it is inappropriate to differentiate between television in general and non-broadcast television. Show me the reasons why I was wrong OTHER than you simply don't like it. Allow me to know so I can do things right. I've been here for three years. and I've edited thousands of articles. Look at my user page and my talk page; people have even praised some of my edits. I'm not stupid (at least I don't think I am, maybe you can convince me :) ), and if I am wrong, show me the standards. Show me how I can understand so I don't make the same mistake in the future. I await your replies. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 14:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was keep, upmerge
Delete. Author requests immediate deletion. As pointed out, there is already a {{
Database-software-stub}} which is just dandy for database-software-related articles. At this point, the author does not intend to make use of this stub to categorize the potentially hundreds of database-related articles. Considering no one else has organized these articles properly up to this point, there's no expectation that anyone else will do this at this time. Therefore the stub is moot. This no longer concerns me.
SqlPac
21:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
The result of the debate was delete
Found this while closing the
related template discussion. Badly named and we don't need it since the template is upmerged. That's right, articles are placed into this cat manually.
~ Amalas
rawr
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15:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename to UK-navy-stub and Cat:United Kingdom navy stubs
New, unproposed, but potentially vey useful stub type for articles relating to the
Royal Navy. And, indeed, the Royal Navy is known as the RN, but so are
a large number of other things. As such, like USN-stub before it, this one needs its name changed, either to RoyalNavy-stub or - in keeping with the other one named, to UK-navy-stub (which would also allow for its potential use on a very very slightly wider group of stubs). The related category
Category:Royal Navy stubs, BTW, needs clean-up, as it has no parents, no children, and virtually no stubs (these should all be remediable).
Grutness...
wha?
01:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
From WP:WSS/D. Not needed and not used. Delete.
Valentinian
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10:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename
From WP:WSS/D. The scope is clear on this one, and we have almost 100 articles. However, the name should have been {{
RioGrandedoSul-geo-stub}} (with a lowercase "D") to conform with the similar templates. Rename.
Valentinian
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10:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unused, and non-standard name. I've no objection to keeping {{
Movie-stub}}, but don't see much point in keeping this one around.
Grutness...
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01:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed, astoundingly named, and currently used for bio-stubs about players for one club, which is a long-established outright no-no. Certainly unlikely ever to get to 60 stubs about a particular club (players not included), even if this were nicely named. Strong delete.
Grutness...
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02:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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Dynamo had however many successful people and associations and therefore I imagined that I could manufacture an extra stub.--Kay Körner 18:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was delete, keeping upmerged template
The Chechen template has been upmerged to
Category:Russian people stubs and made more neutral. I'm still far from sure that it is a good idea keeping the template, but in any case, the category should go. Delete.
Valentinian
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21:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename
This one is not excessively large by itself but it can be a holder for a Pakistani cricket bio category. The name should have been
Category:Pakistani sportspeople stubs to conform with the similar material. Rename.
Valentinian
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21:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
From WP:WSS/D. This one was used on one tiny stub article of unclear notability. Delete unless we can find something useful to do with it.
Valentinian
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20:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
An oddly named redirect to {{
US-bio-stub}}. Apparently the idea was that the creator intended it to be used on articles for people of presumed U.S. nationality. Not needed and not used. Delete
Valentinian
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20:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Looks like a terminated experiment
[1]. Delete (or change to something relating to music).
Valentinian
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22:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed, badly named, and - well, considering that there are no stub types for Elvis Presley, the Rolling Stones, U2, Pink Floyd... in fact no rock group or performer other than the Beatles has its own stub type. The chances of Powderfinger being the likely contender for next cab off the rank is low, to say the least. There are a number of stubs in the category, it's true, but they are all either musician-stubs or song-stubs, and classifying them by band will do nothing that a WikiProject-specific talk-page template won't do 100 times better for the associated wikiproject. Given that this is a subcategory of
Category:Stub-Class Powderfinger articles, it seems, the wikiproject involved in this is already using a talk-page WP-specific template, so they will gain nothing by this stub type, and neither will stub sorters or other editors. Delete as redundant.
Grutness...
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00:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed - with the one exception of the Beatles (which has a very active WikiProject) there are no separate stub categories for songs by artist, partly because songs are often known recorded by multiple artists, and partly because a split by decate is more useful to editors. This particular category (which has no parents, stub or otherwise) has very few articles (six), and several those which it has are not stubs. The logical parent permcat
Category:The Carpenters songs has only 39 articles, so this will not currently meet the stub-sorting threshold of 60. Delete.
Grutness...
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00:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Unproposed stub category for a fantasy world location that is itself a stub. The entirety of
Category:Nyeusigrube and its two subcategories is 16 articles - chances of there beig 60 current stubs, as per stub thresholds, is therefore nil. Delete.
Grutness...
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00:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Only used on one article, scope too limited to warrant its own stub type.
Pagra
shtak
16:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was speedy delete per author request
Unproposed, nowhere near the threshold number of stubs, poor category capitalisation, no such permcat as
Category:Years in poetry. In general, there is nothing which suggests this would be a useful stub type. Delete.
Grutness...
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02:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete
Utterly unnecessary unproposed and ambiguously-named duplicate of {{
baseball-bio-stub}} which could refer to
any number of things (this list, not surprisingly, does not include baseball). Delete
Grutness...
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01:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was clean up and upmerge
Probably speediable - this says it's a template, but it's trying to act like a category. Looks like it may have been made by someone who doesn't know how to make eithet templates or categories properly and... well, have a look. Unused, and unlikely that it could be used in its present form.
Grutness...
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01:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was upmerge
Stub categories use "Singular noun stubs" as their general naming format. Somehow, his one slipped through with an "s'. Rename.
Grutness...
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23:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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