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20 October 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Similarity in reverts: [1] & [2] also similarity in blanking talk page notices [3] & [4]. I reached to the article history by coincidence. Two opposite sides may be in edit wars. Did not study likelyhood of socking by opposite side for want time and searching socks was not my focus as such and also I am still not confident in assessing likely hood of sockpuppetry.

Thanks Bookku ( talk) 11:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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@ Blablubbs, GeneralNotability, and RoySmith: Oriental Aristocrat and War Wounded look same. They falsely claim others of providing "misleading edit summary" [5] and "unexplained violation" [6] as reason while themselves failing to provide any reason for mass revert.
I note, that Depressed Desi with his earlier socks was also making the same edit on Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, [7] just like Oriental Aristocrat [8] and War Wounded [9] are doing.
Looking here and also at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Depressed Desi, the behavior is clear enough to warrant a WP:DUCK block because CU conclusion by GeneralNotability and Blablubbs already say "possible". It is becoming harder to delay because this sock, Oriental Aristocrat is already getting out of control. Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 04:02, 27 October 2022 (UTC) reply

@Admins, the only reason I restored content on Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa article was after seeing User:Dhawangupta who had no previous edits to the said article making mass removals (see: 1 and 2) with false edit summaries. I suspect that Dhawangupta, OP and Aman are themselves part of a WP:MEAT WP:CABAL, if not socks of each other. Oriental Aristocrat ( talk) 05:54, 27 October 2022 (UTC) reply

@ MarioGom: Can you take a look here? This is a case of WP:DUCK given the above comment further proves that this sock is exactly mimicking behavior of previous socks to the extent that he is now making absurd counterclaims of sockpuppetry, [10] just like he did with earlier socks. [11] Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 01:55, 1 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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  •  Check declined by a checkuser - CheckUsers cannot link IP addresses to accounts per the checkuser policy. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 11:30, 20 October 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Passerby note: I haven't run any checks, but Oriental Aristocrat looks behaviourally similar to War Wounded ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log· investigate · cuwiki), who is currently reported at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Depressed Desi. -- Blablubbs ( talk) 11:34, 20 October 2022 (UTC) reply
    I ran a check to compare the two accounts. I'd say they're  Possible to each other, and that Oriental Aristocrat looks consistent with what I can see from the logs for the Depressed Desi case – more consistent than War Wounded. I'll leave the final call to someone else because ARBIPA behavioural evaluations aren't really my forte, but I'd suggest that whoever handles this case also evaluate the behavioural relationship to Depressed Desi and War Wounded (see the shared interest in, and similar edits to, Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa – [22] [23] [24]). no No comment with respect to IP address(es). -- Blablubbs ( talk) 14:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC) reply
  • information Administrator note I've spent a couple of hours looking through the behavior here, and I see no similarities strong enough for a block. The clear-cut similarities are restricted to Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, which is a known POV-magnet, and has seen slow-moving edit-wars over India's alleged support for the insurgents for a long time. As such I believe it's more likely this is garden-variety pov-pushing, and possibly off-wiki coordination, than outright socking. I'm particularly reluctant to block because the two established sockfarms discussed here and at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Depressed Desi (Depressed Desi and ShahabKhanJadoon1) have very obvious behavioral similarities within them. I agree with AKG above that Oriental Aristocrat is being disruptive, and if they do not mend their ways a sanction will likely be needed, but I do not see enough for a sockpuppetry block myself. No objection to anyone more experienced with ARBIPA socks placing a block. Vanamonde ( Talk) 16:27, 1 November 2022 (UTC) reply
    @ Aman.kumar.goel: I'm afraid it doesn't convince me: those are similarities, but not obvious similarities. The Taliban vote is another that brings out nationalist POV-pushing. The 15th assembly is the current assembly; and Asad Rauf was an internationally famous (or infamous) figure. I am not willing to place a block based on behavior alone. I have no objection to a CU placing a block based on the combination of technical evidence (which I cannot see) and the behavior, and if that is an option I would note that I find the evidence marginally stronger for Oriental Aristocrat than for War Wounded. Vanamonde ( Talk) 15:44, 2 November 2022 (UTC) reply
  • I've moved the case under the named account per convention and I am closing without action at this time based on Vanamonde93's comments. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 22:25, 3 November 2022 (UTC) reply

07 May 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

First edit was to ITN, an interested shared with all his other socks. [25] [26]

" Maharaja" means Emperor. He created account with same name before too, which was " Emperor of India".

I note the suspected (not convicted) sock to this sockfarm, "Oriental Aristocrat" failed to get himself unblocked, [27] thus he must have made this account to evade block.

119.153.38.84 is making the same allegation here (on Hindu terrorism) of "cabal" as Oriental Aristocrat recently did. [28] This is crucial because when Oriental Aristocrat was also opposed to moving this page. [29]

RoySmith found violation of logged out editing last time. [30] It probably makes sense that logged out editing violation is happening now as well.

Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 11:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC) reply

@ RoySmith: But what about the logged out editing? Apparently, War wounded made a comment, [31] and then the IP left the comment. [32] War wounded was warned last time over logged-out editing. [33] Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 16:58, 7 May 2023 (UTC) reply
no No comment with respect to IP address(es) -- RoySmith (talk) 21:51, 7 May 2023 (UTC) reply

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09 June 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Similar specific interest in creating India-Pakistan conflict stub articles and edits to cricket related articles. The editing pattern is similar as well (see for expample the use + in edit summaries). This sock was further created on the same day the last one was blocked.

Asking for a CU to further confirm this and check for other socks. Gotitbro ( talk) 03:41, 9 June 2023 (UTC) reply

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07 October 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Exact same editing style and disruptive editing in the WP:ARBIPA space with very specific interest areas as of the previous sock Shaheen of Iqbal: recent India-Pakistan even articles, ITN, cricket; see also backing edits prev sock, sock, sock.

Asking for CU to further confirm and check for sleepers (also see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Depressed Desi which this SPI is likely related to). Gotitbro ( talk) 16:04, 7 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Added another sock with the same ARBIPA disruptions and edits in the niche topic areas, the IP 182.190.205.163 sock also backing the latter. Gotitbro ( talk) 08:04, 28 October 2023 (UTC) reply

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are  Confirmed to each other. The other accounts are stale. Blocking without tags. PhilKnight ( talk) 18:08, 7 November 2023 (UTC) reply


19 November 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Since October 2023 (the last SPI) this account is making same suspicious edits as other others.

[Here] he is telling to " Please check talk page discussions at the insurgency of KPK article or insurgency in Balochistan articles." [34] That is indeed about Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, his largest obsession on his earlier socks. [35] [36]   Looks like a duck to me.

Ping RoySmith and PhilKnight. Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 09:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC) reply

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Ridiculously report. This user doesn't even look anything like me + why did you wait this long to file this report despite the fact that you've known me for around a year and have interaction history with??? Please know that fish  CheckUser is not for fishing and cannot be used to solve your content disputes with other editors that have just recently arisen.

Anyways, don't know if I should bother explaining the circumstantial evidence presented (that seem to look like intentional cherry picked edits in order to frame me) as I doubt CU would show any positive results but just to make things easier for the reviewing admins:

1) [45] This edit is obviously me reverting the sock of User:PrinceOfRoblox, around half of my edits are reverting socks of this user at this point.

2) You are mistaken here. I did not update about India in the edit you've mentioned, I actually updated about Afghanistan at the Terrorism in Pakistan page. I did however revert edit warring afterwards by multiple users that followed on this page

3). At the Turkey-Syria earthquake response page. Are you seriously going to use editing a page that was a global ongoing event at the time as evidence??? That page was hitting millions of views at the time and undergoing rapid expansion.

4). [46] This is just me reverting a suspected sock as clearly explained in my edit summary. There was a lot of content in there than just "Hindus".

Anyways, goodluck fishing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiu99 ( talkcontribs) 15:35, 19 November 2023 (UTC) reply

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  •  Unlikely. Same large country, but nothing else matches. RoySmith (talk) 15:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC) reply

26 January 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

Account reactivated after 4 months to vote on this RfC. [47]

This account has also made significant contributions to Lal Haveli, [48] [49] (both added dawn.com link) 2024 Pakistani general election, [50] [51] and more similar articles just like earlier socks. Capitals00 ( talk) 19:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC) reply

@ RoySmith: Appreciate your work. Lal Haveli is obscure article thus we can conclude that behavioral evidence is conclusive. Thanks. Capitals00 ( talk) 18:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply
@ RoySmith and Philknight: Reminding. Capitals00 ( talk) 16:15, 3 February 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • I'll call this  Highly likely to the two socks blocked by PhilKnight in 07 October 2023, but I can't quite get to calling it confirmed to those, nor can I trace this all the way back to OA. RoySmith (talk) 17:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    As a general note, this is a topic area which draws a lot of editors, many with similar positions, so similar editing patterns are not always a good indication of socking. RoySmith (talk) 17:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Editing and behavioral evidence correlates strongly to the other blocked socks and overlaps with several different sock drawers, OA seems most likely but can't be certain on that.  Blocked without tags The Wordsmith Talk to me 22:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

12 March 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

lots of behavioural edits with User:Oriental Aristocrat and User:Pirate of the High Seas within a short span of time. They exhibit similar interest in editing and are highly active in the "in the news" section. DSP2092 ( 👤, 🗨️) 17:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • You're reporting an editor with over 20k edits who has been active for 7 years with the scantest of evidence. You will need to be much more thorough and include specific diffs as evidence if you intend to make such accusations. Closing without further action.-- Ponyo bons mots 19:29, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Oriental Aristocrat

Oriental Aristocrat ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log· investigate · cuwiki)

20 October 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Similarity in reverts: [1] & [2] also similarity in blanking talk page notices [3] & [4]. I reached to the article history by coincidence. Two opposite sides may be in edit wars. Did not study likelyhood of socking by opposite side for want time and searching socks was not my focus as such and also I am still not confident in assessing likely hood of sockpuppetry.

Thanks Bookku ( talk) 11:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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@ Blablubbs, GeneralNotability, and RoySmith: Oriental Aristocrat and War Wounded look same. They falsely claim others of providing "misleading edit summary" [5] and "unexplained violation" [6] as reason while themselves failing to provide any reason for mass revert.
I note, that Depressed Desi with his earlier socks was also making the same edit on Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, [7] just like Oriental Aristocrat [8] and War Wounded [9] are doing.
Looking here and also at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Depressed Desi, the behavior is clear enough to warrant a WP:DUCK block because CU conclusion by GeneralNotability and Blablubbs already say "possible". It is becoming harder to delay because this sock, Oriental Aristocrat is already getting out of control. Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 04:02, 27 October 2022 (UTC) reply

@Admins, the only reason I restored content on Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa article was after seeing User:Dhawangupta who had no previous edits to the said article making mass removals (see: 1 and 2) with false edit summaries. I suspect that Dhawangupta, OP and Aman are themselves part of a WP:MEAT WP:CABAL, if not socks of each other. Oriental Aristocrat ( talk) 05:54, 27 October 2022 (UTC) reply

@ MarioGom: Can you take a look here? This is a case of WP:DUCK given the above comment further proves that this sock is exactly mimicking behavior of previous socks to the extent that he is now making absurd counterclaims of sockpuppetry, [10] just like he did with earlier socks. [11] Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 01:55, 1 November 2022 (UTC) reply

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  •  Check declined by a checkuser - CheckUsers cannot link IP addresses to accounts per the checkuser policy. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 11:30, 20 October 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Passerby note: I haven't run any checks, but Oriental Aristocrat looks behaviourally similar to War Wounded ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log· investigate · cuwiki), who is currently reported at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Depressed Desi. -- Blablubbs ( talk) 11:34, 20 October 2022 (UTC) reply
    I ran a check to compare the two accounts. I'd say they're  Possible to each other, and that Oriental Aristocrat looks consistent with what I can see from the logs for the Depressed Desi case – more consistent than War Wounded. I'll leave the final call to someone else because ARBIPA behavioural evaluations aren't really my forte, but I'd suggest that whoever handles this case also evaluate the behavioural relationship to Depressed Desi and War Wounded (see the shared interest in, and similar edits to, Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa – [22] [23] [24]). no No comment with respect to IP address(es). -- Blablubbs ( talk) 14:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC) reply
  • information Administrator note I've spent a couple of hours looking through the behavior here, and I see no similarities strong enough for a block. The clear-cut similarities are restricted to Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, which is a known POV-magnet, and has seen slow-moving edit-wars over India's alleged support for the insurgents for a long time. As such I believe it's more likely this is garden-variety pov-pushing, and possibly off-wiki coordination, than outright socking. I'm particularly reluctant to block because the two established sockfarms discussed here and at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Depressed Desi (Depressed Desi and ShahabKhanJadoon1) have very obvious behavioral similarities within them. I agree with AKG above that Oriental Aristocrat is being disruptive, and if they do not mend their ways a sanction will likely be needed, but I do not see enough for a sockpuppetry block myself. No objection to anyone more experienced with ARBIPA socks placing a block. Vanamonde ( Talk) 16:27, 1 November 2022 (UTC) reply
    @ Aman.kumar.goel: I'm afraid it doesn't convince me: those are similarities, but not obvious similarities. The Taliban vote is another that brings out nationalist POV-pushing. The 15th assembly is the current assembly; and Asad Rauf was an internationally famous (or infamous) figure. I am not willing to place a block based on behavior alone. I have no objection to a CU placing a block based on the combination of technical evidence (which I cannot see) and the behavior, and if that is an option I would note that I find the evidence marginally stronger for Oriental Aristocrat than for War Wounded. Vanamonde ( Talk) 15:44, 2 November 2022 (UTC) reply
  • I've moved the case under the named account per convention and I am closing without action at this time based on Vanamonde93's comments. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 22:25, 3 November 2022 (UTC) reply

07 May 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

First edit was to ITN, an interested shared with all his other socks. [25] [26]

" Maharaja" means Emperor. He created account with same name before too, which was " Emperor of India".

I note the suspected (not convicted) sock to this sockfarm, "Oriental Aristocrat" failed to get himself unblocked, [27] thus he must have made this account to evade block.

119.153.38.84 is making the same allegation here (on Hindu terrorism) of "cabal" as Oriental Aristocrat recently did. [28] This is crucial because when Oriental Aristocrat was also opposed to moving this page. [29]

RoySmith found violation of logged out editing last time. [30] It probably makes sense that logged out editing violation is happening now as well.

Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 11:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC) reply

@ RoySmith: But what about the logged out editing? Apparently, War wounded made a comment, [31] and then the IP left the comment. [32] War wounded was warned last time over logged-out editing. [33] Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 16:58, 7 May 2023 (UTC) reply
no No comment with respect to IP address(es) -- RoySmith (talk) 21:51, 7 May 2023 (UTC) reply

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09 June 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Similar specific interest in creating India-Pakistan conflict stub articles and edits to cricket related articles. The editing pattern is similar as well (see for expample the use + in edit summaries). This sock was further created on the same day the last one was blocked.

Asking for a CU to further confirm this and check for other socks. Gotitbro ( talk) 03:41, 9 June 2023 (UTC) reply

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07 October 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Exact same editing style and disruptive editing in the WP:ARBIPA space with very specific interest areas as of the previous sock Shaheen of Iqbal: recent India-Pakistan even articles, ITN, cricket; see also backing edits prev sock, sock, sock.

Asking for CU to further confirm and check for sleepers (also see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Depressed Desi which this SPI is likely related to). Gotitbro ( talk) 16:04, 7 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Added another sock with the same ARBIPA disruptions and edits in the niche topic areas, the IP 182.190.205.163 sock also backing the latter. Gotitbro ( talk) 08:04, 28 October 2023 (UTC) reply

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are  Confirmed to each other. The other accounts are stale. Blocking without tags. PhilKnight ( talk) 18:08, 7 November 2023 (UTC) reply


19 November 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Since October 2023 (the last SPI) this account is making same suspicious edits as other others.

[Here] he is telling to " Please check talk page discussions at the insurgency of KPK article or insurgency in Balochistan articles." [34] That is indeed about Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, his largest obsession on his earlier socks. [35] [36]   Looks like a duck to me.

Ping RoySmith and PhilKnight. Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 09:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC) reply

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Ridiculously report. This user doesn't even look anything like me + why did you wait this long to file this report despite the fact that you've known me for around a year and have interaction history with??? Please know that fish  CheckUser is not for fishing and cannot be used to solve your content disputes with other editors that have just recently arisen.

Anyways, don't know if I should bother explaining the circumstantial evidence presented (that seem to look like intentional cherry picked edits in order to frame me) as I doubt CU would show any positive results but just to make things easier for the reviewing admins:

1) [45] This edit is obviously me reverting the sock of User:PrinceOfRoblox, around half of my edits are reverting socks of this user at this point.

2) You are mistaken here. I did not update about India in the edit you've mentioned, I actually updated about Afghanistan at the Terrorism in Pakistan page. I did however revert edit warring afterwards by multiple users that followed on this page

3). At the Turkey-Syria earthquake response page. Are you seriously going to use editing a page that was a global ongoing event at the time as evidence??? That page was hitting millions of views at the time and undergoing rapid expansion.

4). [46] This is just me reverting a suspected sock as clearly explained in my edit summary. There was a lot of content in there than just "Hindus".

Anyways, goodluck fishing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiu99 ( talkcontribs) 15:35, 19 November 2023 (UTC) reply

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  •  Unlikely. Same large country, but nothing else matches. RoySmith (talk) 15:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC) reply

26 January 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

Account reactivated after 4 months to vote on this RfC. [47]

This account has also made significant contributions to Lal Haveli, [48] [49] (both added dawn.com link) 2024 Pakistani general election, [50] [51] and more similar articles just like earlier socks. Capitals00 ( talk) 19:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC) reply

@ RoySmith: Appreciate your work. Lal Haveli is obscure article thus we can conclude that behavioral evidence is conclusive. Thanks. Capitals00 ( talk) 18:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply
@ RoySmith and Philknight: Reminding. Capitals00 ( talk) 16:15, 3 February 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • I'll call this  Highly likely to the two socks blocked by PhilKnight in 07 October 2023, but I can't quite get to calling it confirmed to those, nor can I trace this all the way back to OA. RoySmith (talk) 17:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply
    As a general note, this is a topic area which draws a lot of editors, many with similar positions, so similar editing patterns are not always a good indication of socking. RoySmith (talk) 17:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Editing and behavioral evidence correlates strongly to the other blocked socks and overlaps with several different sock drawers, OA seems most likely but can't be certain on that.  Blocked without tags The Wordsmith Talk to me 22:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

12 March 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

lots of behavioural edits with User:Oriental Aristocrat and User:Pirate of the High Seas within a short span of time. They exhibit similar interest in editing and are highly active in the "in the news" section. DSP2092 ( 👤, 🗨️) 17:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • You're reporting an editor with over 20k edits who has been active for 7 years with the scantest of evidence. You will need to be much more thorough and include specific diffs as evidence if you intend to make such accusations. Closing without further action.-- Ponyo bons mots 19:29, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply


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