Hunan201p
- Hunan201p ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
31 May 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
- Lithuist ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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Edits by Hunan201p demonstrate an obsession with sock puppet and meat puppet editing as a rationale for POV pushing in article spaces [1], [2].
This includes accusing other editors of being socks and/or meat puppets [3], [4]. Notice Hunan201p's focus on WorldCreaterFighter in each of the above diffs.
While blocked Hunan201p accused IPs of editing as sock puppets while implying that an editor in good standing is their meatpuppet [5]. In that diff you can also see Hunan pinged four editors speciously "alerting" them of sock puppetry and meat puppetry. This was an end around to control pages for which they were originally blocked for disruptive editing [6], [7].This turned out to be highly disruptive for which Hunan lost talk page privileges during their block. They are still blocked until August 16, 2020 [8].
Lithuist, an absolutely new editor, with currently only two edits [9], has the ability to smoothly post their view on two user talk pages [10], [11].
Both posts are flawless, including correctly signing each post. Each post is also almost civil. Now notice the emphasis with "You have to check the sources before you allow abusive sockcontent." There is also a claim "... [the subject] isn’t backed up by the sources. There is not one sentence in the given references", which is not true as other editors agree with restoring this content [12], [13], [14].
This is classic Hunan201p - bringing sock puppetry or meat puppetry into the conversation (as shown by the above diffs) and discounting the editing judgement of all other editors who don't agree, speciously claiming there are no sources, or the sources are inadequate (for example, low quality sources) [15], [16], [17]. Here Hunan is claiming consensus isn't for real because "...that noticeboard discussion was three cliquish and shady editors voting for each other" [18], further discounting other editors who don't agree with Hunan's POV editing.
Also, I think it would be a good idea to see if Hunan201p and Lithuist are socks of WorldCreaterFighter via check user.--- Steve Quinn ( talk) 15:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Well, this is interesting. The shared interests between Hunan201p and WorldCreatorFighter, as demonstrated by their editing are remarkable. I refer to "shared interest in human genetics and things like hair color" as mentioned below.
Hunan201p has demonstrated a strong interest in this area. Looking at this edit where Hunan tried to reach out from their talk page (while blocked) [19] shows concern for edits related to Asian peoples'appearance [20], genetics (studies) [21], and before being blocked, removed content about genetics (an archaeological study) [22]. Of course this is just a small sample. --- Steve Quinn ( talk) 17:57, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ RoySmith: regarding WorldCreatorFighter and Hunan201p. I noticed that Hunan201p mentioned WorldCreatorFighter a lot during their editing - often as an excuse for removing valid article contributions by other editors (via edit warring or claiming WorldCreatorFighter sock activity). Hunan also invoked WCF sock as a specious reason for going after editors in good standing with sock puppet investigations - claiming they are socks of WorldCreaterFighter or involved in meat puppetry.
- If I may offer an opinion - it is really awful behavior. Anyway, since he frequently invoked WorldCreatorFighter I figured Hunan201p had familiarity with this sock. And, frankly, Hunan201p was acting like a sock themselves throughout their editing. You know how socks disrupt like they have impunity and don't care about their disruption - well that's how Hunan was editing before the block. So there were other clues. Your investigation gave me a set of different clues, which can aid me in the future, spotting other WCF socks.
- Hopefully, this answers your question. If not, just let me know. Glad you enjoyed the Metamaterials. Steve Quinn ( talk) 21:34, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Comments by other users
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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
This case is being reviewed by RoySmith as part of the clerk training process. Please allow him to process the entire case (including admin actions against suspected socks) without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on his talk page or on this page if more appropriate.
-
Clerk endorsed - @
Callanecc: The two user talk page edits of Lithuist scream out "I'm not a new user", and the connection between when Hunam was blocked and Lithuist created their account. The connection to
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/WorldCreaterFighter/Archive also has some merit, given the shared interest in human genetics and things like hair color (
Blond and
Red hair) to trace human ethnic populations. --
RoySmith
(talk)
17:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ Steve Quinn: I'm a little curious about your Well, this is interesting comment in response to my analysis. I was just following up on your original observation, so I'm unsure why you sound surprised. If it wasn't the human genetics interest that made you think they were related, what was it? -- RoySmith (talk) 20:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Two accounts in this SPI are
Unrelated and I didn't see any them as obvious socks of anyone else on either range. Closing.
TonyBallioni (
talk)
03:35, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
26 June 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
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Per WP:DUCK. IP editor deletes content in West Eurasians for various (justified and unjustified) reasons. Hunan201p has constantly deleted material in pages about anthropology and ethnic groups by regularly citing WP:MEDRS, even though there is no medical content. The IP now cites the same guideline, which appears too far-fetched to be a coincidence.
- Diffs
– Austronesier ( talk) 11:07, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
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- 195.123.239.24 is also making edits identical to Hunan201p at Karluks. [25] [26] This seems like a clear case of WP:DUCK. Note that Hunan201p is currently blocked by Ymblanter and JzG for disruptive editing. [27] Hunan201p has previously filed numerous SPI's against other users, and is therefore certainly aware of the fact that sockpuppetry is forbidden. [28] [29] [30] Krakkos ( talk) 14:47, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
- 195.123.239.24 (in fact, 195.123.239.0/24) seems to be static and only used for this one purpose. Blocked for 1 week. We'll see what happens after that. @ Wario-Man and Krakkos: This may be related to Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Tirgil34. Closing. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
28 June 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
- Nanuh2020 ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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Looks like a WP:DUCK case or Nanuh2020 could be a troll who is disguised as currently blocked Hunan201p. Both have very similar userpages. Compare [31] with [32]. The new account then removed this part [33] which was identical to Hunan201p's userpage. The rest of stuff on their talk pages are same, more or less. Same targeted articles; please take a look at Editor Interaction Analyser results. Since Hunan201p is blocked for 3 months, I request a checkuser because there may be a sock farm for block evasion. Wario-Man ( talk) 06:15, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Nanuh2020 is so similar to Hunan201p that the former might be someone pretending to be Hunan201p. Therefore, i recommend also comparing Nanuh2020 to other sockmasters with whom Hunan201p has interacted, such as Tirgil34, WorldCreaterFighter and Qiushufang. Krakkos ( talk) 11:15, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
-
Clerk endorsed - I concur that a check for sleepers would probably be beneficial in this instance.
TheSandDoctor
Talk
19:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
-
Inconclusive Proxy use. --
Amanda
(aka DQ)
21:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC) -
Clerk note: So obvious that it's too obvious, I'm thinking this is actually a joe job. Nanuh2020
Blocked without tags - I don't think we'll have much luck identifying the actual sockmaster.
GeneralNotability (
talk)
00:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Hunan201p
- Hunan201p ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
31 May 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
- Lithuist ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
Edits by Hunan201p demonstrate an obsession with sock puppet and meat puppet editing as a rationale for POV pushing in article spaces [1], [2].
This includes accusing other editors of being socks and/or meat puppets [3], [4]. Notice Hunan201p's focus on WorldCreaterFighter in each of the above diffs.
While blocked Hunan201p accused IPs of editing as sock puppets while implying that an editor in good standing is their meatpuppet [5]. In that diff you can also see Hunan pinged four editors speciously "alerting" them of sock puppetry and meat puppetry. This was an end around to control pages for which they were originally blocked for disruptive editing [6], [7].This turned out to be highly disruptive for which Hunan lost talk page privileges during their block. They are still blocked until August 16, 2020 [8].
Lithuist, an absolutely new editor, with currently only two edits [9], has the ability to smoothly post their view on two user talk pages [10], [11].
Both posts are flawless, including correctly signing each post. Each post is also almost civil. Now notice the emphasis with "You have to check the sources before you allow abusive sockcontent." There is also a claim "... [the subject] isn’t backed up by the sources. There is not one sentence in the given references", which is not true as other editors agree with restoring this content [12], [13], [14].
This is classic Hunan201p - bringing sock puppetry or meat puppetry into the conversation (as shown by the above diffs) and discounting the editing judgement of all other editors who don't agree, speciously claiming there are no sources, or the sources are inadequate (for example, low quality sources) [15], [16], [17]. Here Hunan is claiming consensus isn't for real because "...that noticeboard discussion was three cliquish and shady editors voting for each other" [18], further discounting other editors who don't agree with Hunan's POV editing.
Also, I think it would be a good idea to see if Hunan201p and Lithuist are socks of WorldCreaterFighter via check user.--- Steve Quinn ( talk) 15:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Well, this is interesting. The shared interests between Hunan201p and WorldCreatorFighter, as demonstrated by their editing are remarkable. I refer to "shared interest in human genetics and things like hair color" as mentioned below.
Hunan201p has demonstrated a strong interest in this area. Looking at this edit where Hunan tried to reach out from their talk page (while blocked) [19] shows concern for edits related to Asian peoples'appearance [20], genetics (studies) [21], and before being blocked, removed content about genetics (an archaeological study) [22]. Of course this is just a small sample. --- Steve Quinn ( talk) 17:57, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ RoySmith: regarding WorldCreatorFighter and Hunan201p. I noticed that Hunan201p mentioned WorldCreatorFighter a lot during their editing - often as an excuse for removing valid article contributions by other editors (via edit warring or claiming WorldCreatorFighter sock activity). Hunan also invoked WCF sock as a specious reason for going after editors in good standing with sock puppet investigations - claiming they are socks of WorldCreaterFighter or involved in meat puppetry.
- If I may offer an opinion - it is really awful behavior. Anyway, since he frequently invoked WorldCreatorFighter I figured Hunan201p had familiarity with this sock. And, frankly, Hunan201p was acting like a sock themselves throughout their editing. You know how socks disrupt like they have impunity and don't care about their disruption - well that's how Hunan was editing before the block. So there were other clues. Your investigation gave me a set of different clues, which can aid me in the future, spotting other WCF socks.
- Hopefully, this answers your question. If not, just let me know. Glad you enjoyed the Metamaterials. Steve Quinn ( talk) 21:34, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Comments by other users
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
This case is being reviewed by RoySmith as part of the clerk training process. Please allow him to process the entire case (including admin actions against suspected socks) without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on his talk page or on this page if more appropriate.
-
Clerk endorsed - @
Callanecc: The two user talk page edits of Lithuist scream out "I'm not a new user", and the connection between when Hunam was blocked and Lithuist created their account. The connection to
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/WorldCreaterFighter/Archive also has some merit, given the shared interest in human genetics and things like hair color (
Blond and
Red hair) to trace human ethnic populations. --
RoySmith
(talk)
17:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ Steve Quinn: I'm a little curious about your Well, this is interesting comment in response to my analysis. I was just following up on your original observation, so I'm unsure why you sound surprised. If it wasn't the human genetics interest that made you think they were related, what was it? -- RoySmith (talk) 20:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Two accounts in this SPI are
Unrelated and I didn't see any them as obvious socks of anyone else on either range. Closing.
TonyBallioni (
talk)
03:35, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
26 June 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
Per WP:DUCK. IP editor deletes content in West Eurasians for various (justified and unjustified) reasons. Hunan201p has constantly deleted material in pages about anthropology and ethnic groups by regularly citing WP:MEDRS, even though there is no medical content. The IP now cites the same guideline, which appears too far-fetched to be a coincidence.
- Diffs
– Austronesier ( talk) 11:07, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Comments by other users
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
- 195.123.239.24 is also making edits identical to Hunan201p at Karluks. [25] [26] This seems like a clear case of WP:DUCK. Note that Hunan201p is currently blocked by Ymblanter and JzG for disruptive editing. [27] Hunan201p has previously filed numerous SPI's against other users, and is therefore certainly aware of the fact that sockpuppetry is forbidden. [28] [29] [30] Krakkos ( talk) 14:47, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
- 195.123.239.24 (in fact, 195.123.239.0/24) seems to be static and only used for this one purpose. Blocked for 1 week. We'll see what happens after that. @ Wario-Man and Krakkos: This may be related to Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Tirgil34. Closing. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
28 June 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
- Nanuh2020 ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
Looks like a WP:DUCK case or Nanuh2020 could be a troll who is disguised as currently blocked Hunan201p. Both have very similar userpages. Compare [31] with [32]. The new account then removed this part [33] which was identical to Hunan201p's userpage. The rest of stuff on their talk pages are same, more or less. Same targeted articles; please take a look at Editor Interaction Analyser results. Since Hunan201p is blocked for 3 months, I request a checkuser because there may be a sock farm for block evasion. Wario-Man ( talk) 06:15, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Comments by other users
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
- Nanuh2020 is so similar to Hunan201p that the former might be someone pretending to be Hunan201p. Therefore, i recommend also comparing Nanuh2020 to other sockmasters with whom Hunan201p has interacted, such as Tirgil34, WorldCreaterFighter and Qiushufang. Krakkos ( talk) 11:15, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
-
Clerk endorsed - I concur that a check for sleepers would probably be beneficial in this instance.
TheSandDoctor
Talk
19:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
-
Inconclusive Proxy use. --
Amanda
(aka DQ)
21:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
-
Clerk note: So obvious that it's too obvious, I'm thinking this is actually a joe job. Nanuh2020
Blocked without tags - I don't think we'll have much luck identifying the actual sockmaster.
GeneralNotability (
talk)
00:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)