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Pro-forma. Checked and blocked at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kurya Khan. Spicy ( talk) 20:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
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- Closing. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 20:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Clerk assistance requested: - Based on admissions by Frankish 101 on their Talk page, I've blocked
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cuwiki). Please move the case to Dirk0001, the oldest account, and tag so that Frankish 101 and Giray Altay are confirmed to each other and proven to Dirk0001, and Flishflosh23 is proven to Dirk0001. Thanks.
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Like the confirmed sockpuppet Giray Altay, this user heavily edits articles related to Hunnic and Greek/Roman figures. However they also make minor edits to Southern European football articles.
Within about 1 hour of Mark._Palo Alto's account being created, they protest the removal of content added by Giray Altay: [1], [2]
Southern Euro football edits: [5], [6]
It is interesting to see that Mark._PaloAlto's proposed edit at Talk:Juventus F.C. contains Italian language content. Ermenrich previously said at the SPI investigation that Giray Altay has translated several pages from Italian. - Hunan201p ( talk) 15:05, 30 January 2023 (UTC) Hunan201p ( talk) 15:05, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
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Giray Altay wrote:
True, Priscus described East Asian features in Attila, and I also personally think that all Hun rulers had East Asian features, just like the rulers of all [other] Turkic people (we don't known, however, what the bulk of the Huns looked like. Leave alone the, later, mixing with the Goths, we still don't know how even the Xiongnu looked like. They lived near China, but most of the Xiongnu art shows people with Europid features, similar to the neighbouring Yuezhi).
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Giray Altay wrote:
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Mark._PaloAlto wrote:
Indeed the Huns were Xiongnu related, apparently a weak offshoot of them (also, the Xiongnu, like the Huns, weren't of homogeneous ethnicity). The place where this artifact was discovered belonged to the Xiongnu sphere of influence (it was on the edge of their hypothesized territory, where they had contact with artisan). It has characteristics of Xiongnu dress and harnessing, as well as hairstyle (also, the perforation-like eyes, frontal bossing, big head, stocky, short legs, long bust and wide shoulders, are reminiscent of the European description of the Huns, but this is not stated by Francfort, just my opinion) that is why Francfort say it is unquestionably Xiongnu or, more hesitantly, Yuezhi.
- Hunan201p ( talk) 16:27, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
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Mark._PaloAlto wrote:
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Hunan201p, I'm also suspicious, but Giray Altay is actually a sock puppet of Frankish 101 ( talk · contribs)/ User:Dirk0001 ( talk · contribs).-- Ermenrich ( talk) 15:18, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
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Ermenrich: My bad. Thanks for the helpful info that I glossed over. Do you think I should re-file under Frankish 101, or do you have your own plans for that one? -
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- Probably just leave it for the clerks.— Ermenrich ( talk) 23:38, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- I have some more evidence
- Compare: Giray Altay
I reverted you because you constantly edit the article, thought we are discussing its content here.
[7];Conversation is ongoing here, if you really want to give credit to fringe theories or put emphasis on the etymologies you yourself like, you should at least discuss it here before publishing in the article.
[8]. Mark. Palo Alto:Ermenrich has started editing on the discussed matters, changing the article to his/her view. But they don't have even established consensus and we are still discussing.
[9];I quoted the full sentence from Savelyev and Jeong instead of what Ermenrich added in his/her several unapproved edits.
[10].
- Compare: Giray Altay
- I think this is fairly noteworthy because it shows the same failure to understand the policies on consensus and discussion.
- Mark. PaloAlto is also aware of RFC's despite only having had an account for a short while, see [11]. Interestingly, Giray Altay was informed of RFC's shortly before his block [12]
- I'll also note that, despite my relatively minimal involvement at
Talk:Huns#Székelys and never having interacted with him before, Mark. PaloAlto has an obvious grudge against me, almost as though I got him banned from Wikipedia before...:
In this case, I noticed that Ermenrich has a lot of influence on the topic and some strong beliefs
[13], also [14]. - They have a similar manner to making posts, compare this string by Mark. Palo Alto: [15] various big edits thrown up together. DG does the same thing, often and repeatedly, see e.g. [16]
- Attempts to have certain scholars excluded from articles because of various "biases": DG
Also, hate talking about conflict of interest; and I am not making any accusations, but: Omeljan Pritsak was a disinterested Ukrainian observer; Helfen, Doerfer, and Schramm were all German...
[17]; Mark. PaloAlto:It also appears that Savelyev is one of the scholars opposing the Xiongnu-Hun connection. So if we want to talk about bias we can talk about him... (and here we should wonder why did Savelyev leave this out?)
- I'm reasonably sure that these are the same person.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 20:49, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
- Case section moved from Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kurya Khan. Spicy ( talk) 23:39, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
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CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - please compare Mark. PaloAlto to the master per the evidence above. Thanks,
Spicy (
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00:45, 5 February 2023 (UTC) -
Likely - I've not looked at the behavioural evidence in depth here so will leave it to someone who has, just in case.
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12:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC) - Thanks.
Awaiting administrative action - please indef Mark. PaloAlto as a proven sock of Dirk0001 per the CU and behavioural evidence.
Spicy (
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16:38, 5 February 2023 (UTC) - Blocked, I hope. First time using the SPI helper script. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 22:38, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. Tagged, closing. Spicy ( talk) 01:36, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
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- pro forma.-- Ponyo bons mots 16:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC) Ponyo bons mots 16:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
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- Blocked and tagged as suspected due to significant behavioural overlap coupled with technical overlap in geolocation.-- Ponyo bons mots 16:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- Updated tag to proven based on an incredibly obvious tell.-- Ponyo bons mots 16:16, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Dirk0001
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Pro-forma. Checked and blocked at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kurya Khan. Spicy ( talk) 20:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
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- Closing. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 20:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Clerk assistance requested: - Based on admissions by Frankish 101 on their Talk page, I've blocked
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cuwiki). Please move the case to Dirk0001, the oldest account, and tag so that Frankish 101 and Giray Altay are confirmed to each other and proven to Dirk0001, and Flishflosh23 is proven to Dirk0001. Thanks.
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- Done, closing. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 00:49, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
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- Mark._PaloAlto ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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Like the confirmed sockpuppet Giray Altay, this user heavily edits articles related to Hunnic and Greek/Roman figures. However they also make minor edits to Southern European football articles.
Within about 1 hour of Mark._Palo Alto's account being created, they protest the removal of content added by Giray Altay: [1], [2]
Southern Euro football edits: [5], [6]
It is interesting to see that Mark._PaloAlto's proposed edit at Talk:Juventus F.C. contains Italian language content. Ermenrich previously said at the SPI investigation that Giray Altay has translated several pages from Italian. - Hunan201p ( talk) 15:05, 30 January 2023 (UTC) Hunan201p ( talk) 15:05, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- From
Talk:Huns:
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Giray Altay wrote:
True, Priscus described East Asian features in Attila, and I also personally think that all Hun rulers had East Asian features, just like the rulers of all [other] Turkic people (we don't known, however, what the bulk of the Huns looked like. Leave alone the, later, mixing with the Goths, we still don't know how even the Xiongnu looked like. They lived near China, but most of the Xiongnu art shows people with Europid features, similar to the neighbouring Yuezhi).
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Giray Altay wrote:
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Mark._PaloAlto wrote:
Indeed the Huns were Xiongnu related, apparently a weak offshoot of them (also, the Xiongnu, like the Huns, weren't of homogeneous ethnicity). The place where this artifact was discovered belonged to the Xiongnu sphere of influence (it was on the edge of their hypothesized territory, where they had contact with artisan). It has characteristics of Xiongnu dress and harnessing, as well as hairstyle (also, the perforation-like eyes, frontal bossing, big head, stocky, short legs, long bust and wide shoulders, are reminiscent of the European description of the Huns, but this is not stated by Francfort, just my opinion) that is why Francfort say it is unquestionably Xiongnu or, more hesitantly, Yuezhi.
- Hunan201p ( talk) 16:27, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
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Mark._PaloAlto wrote:
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Hunan201p, I'm also suspicious, but Giray Altay is actually a sock puppet of Frankish 101 ( talk · contribs)/ User:Dirk0001 ( talk · contribs).-- Ermenrich ( talk) 15:18, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
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Ermenrich: My bad. Thanks for the helpful info that I glossed over. Do you think I should re-file under Frankish 101, or do you have your own plans for that one? -
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22:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- Probably just leave it for the clerks.— Ermenrich ( talk) 23:38, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- I have some more evidence
- Compare: Giray Altay
I reverted you because you constantly edit the article, thought we are discussing its content here.
[7];Conversation is ongoing here, if you really want to give credit to fringe theories or put emphasis on the etymologies you yourself like, you should at least discuss it here before publishing in the article.
[8]. Mark. Palo Alto:Ermenrich has started editing on the discussed matters, changing the article to his/her view. But they don't have even established consensus and we are still discussing.
[9];I quoted the full sentence from Savelyev and Jeong instead of what Ermenrich added in his/her several unapproved edits.
[10].
- Compare: Giray Altay
- I think this is fairly noteworthy because it shows the same failure to understand the policies on consensus and discussion.
- Mark. PaloAlto is also aware of RFC's despite only having had an account for a short while, see [11]. Interestingly, Giray Altay was informed of RFC's shortly before his block [12]
- I'll also note that, despite my relatively minimal involvement at
Talk:Huns#Székelys and never having interacted with him before, Mark. PaloAlto has an obvious grudge against me, almost as though I got him banned from Wikipedia before...:
In this case, I noticed that Ermenrich has a lot of influence on the topic and some strong beliefs
[13], also [14]. - They have a similar manner to making posts, compare this string by Mark. Palo Alto: [15] various big edits thrown up together. DG does the same thing, often and repeatedly, see e.g. [16]
- Attempts to have certain scholars excluded from articles because of various "biases": DG
Also, hate talking about conflict of interest; and I am not making any accusations, but: Omeljan Pritsak was a disinterested Ukrainian observer; Helfen, Doerfer, and Schramm were all German...
[17]; Mark. PaloAlto:It also appears that Savelyev is one of the scholars opposing the Xiongnu-Hun connection. So if we want to talk about bias we can talk about him... (and here we should wonder why did Savelyev leave this out?)
- I'm reasonably sure that these are the same person.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 20:49, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
- Case section moved from Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kurya Khan. Spicy ( talk) 23:39, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
- CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - please compare Mark. PaloAlto to the master per the evidence above. Thanks,
Spicy (
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00:45, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
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Likely - I've not looked at the behavioural evidence in depth here so will leave it to someone who has, just in case.
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12:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks.
Awaiting administrative action - please indef Mark. PaloAlto as a proven sock of Dirk0001 per the CU and behavioural evidence.
Spicy (
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16:38, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
- Blocked, I hope. First time using the SPI helper script. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 22:38, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. Tagged, closing. Spicy ( talk) 01:36, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
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- pro forma.-- Ponyo bons mots 16:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC) Ponyo bons mots 16:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
- Blocked and tagged as suspected due to significant behavioural overlap coupled with technical overlap in geolocation.-- Ponyo bons mots 16:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- Updated tag to proven based on an incredibly obvious tell.-- Ponyo bons mots 16:16, 20 June 2023 (UTC)