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Report date November 30 2009, 09:12 (UTC)
Suspected sockpuppets


Evidence submitted by Delicious carbuncle

All of the listed accounts are single purpose accounts which edit articles relating to images taken by User:David Shankbone, generally to add an image. Aside from the main account, three of these accounts have been used within the past month on en.wiki. A Knavish Bonded ( talk · contribs) is likely stale, but a review of the contribution history should confirm that it is David's account (and it is fairly poor anagram of "David Shankbone"). Fat Jenny ( talk · contribs) does not exist on en.wiki, but is mentioned here and relates to the naming of Fat Jenny foto fixer ( talk · contribs). Please see also this thread at WP:AN. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 09:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply

Comments by accused parties

See Defending yourself against claims.

Comments by other users
Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
  • According to Wikipedia Review, several of these accounts have been disclosed already. Does anyone have any evidence of that? NW ( Talk) 20:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply
    • Reading through that thread, the rabblerousers at Wikipedia Review seem to be saying that several of those accounts have been discussed there, not disclosed here on WP. The WatchingWhales account is discussed on David's talkpage here and on WatchingWhales' talkpage here, but I am not aware of any of the other accounts being disclosed. I left messages for David asking him to link the WatchingWhales account (and more recently the Fat Jenny foto fixer account), but my messages were ignored. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 20:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply
      • Delicious carbuncle - considering that you left the message requesting clarification regarding the Fat Jenny foto fixer account on November 20th, and that David has a banner at the top of his talk page advising he's on vacation and hasn't edited since the 18th (and only very infrequently at all in November), I hardly think it's fair to say he "ignored" your message. -- Jezebel'sPonyo shhh 21:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply
        • Ponyo, the person who controls all of these accounts has not used the "David Shankbone" account since I left that message, but they have used the "Bucktoothed beaver" account and they have made a number of edits using their "David Shankbone" account on Commons. Given that they responded to my earlier message by deleting it without comment, I do not think it is unfair to assume that they are simply ignoring the most recent one. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 21:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply

What is the abusive behaviour that this investigation is aimed at preventing? Have these multiple accounts been used to edit war or do they just add photos to articles? If they just add the photos, I'm having trouble seeing the problem. If I had 5 accounts and used them to edit totally different articles with no overlap, would that warrant an investigation? WJBscribe (talk) 22:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply

There is overlap (see [1] this report). I opened this SPI case as a result of advice obtained at AN. Perhaps your comments would be more appropriate there? Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 23:02, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply
I see, it's not very strong evidence of improper use of multiple accounts by itself. Have you got an example of behaviour that is definitely problematic, e.g. suspected sock 1 adds a photo, another user removes it, then suspected sock 2 restores the photo? WJBscribe (talk) 23:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply
There is a bit; see below. (Sorry for threaded discussion.) Dekimasu よ! 00:34, 1 December 2009 (UTC) reply

I saw no evidence that the accounts listed as suspected sockpuppets had been notified of this page, and have now notified all of them except for User:Fat Jenny which is apparently not a registered account (as DC states above). Ladyof Shalott 22:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply

The behavioural evidence is so mind-numbingly obvious, I saw no reason to notify anyone other than the main account but I probably should have done this for completeness. Thank you for fixing my oversight. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 23:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk note:: A couple of points.
  1. This section isn't for threaded discussion, please contain your comments in the relevant section.
  2. A checkuser request hasn't been posted; if its intended that a checkuser is performed, please add the {{ RFCU}} template or ask a clerk to do that for you.
  3. In order to justify a checkuser request, you will need to provide evidence that the accounts are (a) linked and (b) have violated the WP:SOCK policy. So far, some evidence for (a) has been provided but none for (b). Thanks. Nathan T 23:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply

information Note: - I was going to decline this case due to lack of evidence, but the detailed list provided by Dekimasu above gives ample cause for concern. While yes, using multiple accounts to "create an illusion of support" is a violation of WP:SOCK, so is "avoiding scrutiny" and I'm also seeing this detailed here. In the list above, there appear to be multiple accounts created just for single (often controversial) tasks and then abandoned. Some of the accounts appear not just on the same page, but in the same discussion (such as Talk:Hardcore_pornography#Image) without any acknowledgement whatsoever.

Based on the above, I checked the accounts mentioned and the following are  Confirmed as being socks of David Shankbone ( talk · contribs):

This edit in particular concerns me, as it's a blatant denial of his being David Shankbone whilst editing in his own interests (and getting in a personal attack at the same time).

Also  Stale:

I cannot comment on the Fat Jenny ( talk · contribs) account, as it does not relate to this project and is beyond our remit - Allie ❤ 02:07, 1 December 2009 (UTC) reply

Conclusions
This case has been marked as closed. It has been archived automatically.


Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/David_Shankbone/Archive&oldid=1146667351"
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David Shankbone

David Shankbone ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Report date November 30 2009, 09:12 (UTC)
Suspected sockpuppets


Evidence submitted by Delicious carbuncle

All of the listed accounts are single purpose accounts which edit articles relating to images taken by User:David Shankbone, generally to add an image. Aside from the main account, three of these accounts have been used within the past month on en.wiki. A Knavish Bonded ( talk · contribs) is likely stale, but a review of the contribution history should confirm that it is David's account (and it is fairly poor anagram of "David Shankbone"). Fat Jenny ( talk · contribs) does not exist on en.wiki, but is mentioned here and relates to the naming of Fat Jenny foto fixer ( talk · contribs). Please see also this thread at WP:AN. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 09:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply

Comments by accused parties

See Defending yourself against claims.

Comments by other users
Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
  • According to Wikipedia Review, several of these accounts have been disclosed already. Does anyone have any evidence of that? NW ( Talk) 20:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply
    • Reading through that thread, the rabblerousers at Wikipedia Review seem to be saying that several of those accounts have been discussed there, not disclosed here on WP. The WatchingWhales account is discussed on David's talkpage here and on WatchingWhales' talkpage here, but I am not aware of any of the other accounts being disclosed. I left messages for David asking him to link the WatchingWhales account (and more recently the Fat Jenny foto fixer account), but my messages were ignored. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 20:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply
      • Delicious carbuncle - considering that you left the message requesting clarification regarding the Fat Jenny foto fixer account on November 20th, and that David has a banner at the top of his talk page advising he's on vacation and hasn't edited since the 18th (and only very infrequently at all in November), I hardly think it's fair to say he "ignored" your message. -- Jezebel'sPonyo shhh 21:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply
        • Ponyo, the person who controls all of these accounts has not used the "David Shankbone" account since I left that message, but they have used the "Bucktoothed beaver" account and they have made a number of edits using their "David Shankbone" account on Commons. Given that they responded to my earlier message by deleting it without comment, I do not think it is unfair to assume that they are simply ignoring the most recent one. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 21:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply

What is the abusive behaviour that this investigation is aimed at preventing? Have these multiple accounts been used to edit war or do they just add photos to articles? If they just add the photos, I'm having trouble seeing the problem. If I had 5 accounts and used them to edit totally different articles with no overlap, would that warrant an investigation? WJBscribe (talk) 22:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply

There is overlap (see [1] this report). I opened this SPI case as a result of advice obtained at AN. Perhaps your comments would be more appropriate there? Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 23:02, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply
I see, it's not very strong evidence of improper use of multiple accounts by itself. Have you got an example of behaviour that is definitely problematic, e.g. suspected sock 1 adds a photo, another user removes it, then suspected sock 2 restores the photo? WJBscribe (talk) 23:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply
There is a bit; see below. (Sorry for threaded discussion.) Dekimasu よ! 00:34, 1 December 2009 (UTC) reply

I saw no evidence that the accounts listed as suspected sockpuppets had been notified of this page, and have now notified all of them except for User:Fat Jenny which is apparently not a registered account (as DC states above). Ladyof Shalott 22:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply

The behavioural evidence is so mind-numbingly obvious, I saw no reason to notify anyone other than the main account but I probably should have done this for completeness. Thank you for fixing my oversight. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 23:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk note:: A couple of points.
  1. This section isn't for threaded discussion, please contain your comments in the relevant section.
  2. A checkuser request hasn't been posted; if its intended that a checkuser is performed, please add the {{ RFCU}} template or ask a clerk to do that for you.
  3. In order to justify a checkuser request, you will need to provide evidence that the accounts are (a) linked and (b) have violated the WP:SOCK policy. So far, some evidence for (a) has been provided but none for (b). Thanks. Nathan T 23:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC) reply

information Note: - I was going to decline this case due to lack of evidence, but the detailed list provided by Dekimasu above gives ample cause for concern. While yes, using multiple accounts to "create an illusion of support" is a violation of WP:SOCK, so is "avoiding scrutiny" and I'm also seeing this detailed here. In the list above, there appear to be multiple accounts created just for single (often controversial) tasks and then abandoned. Some of the accounts appear not just on the same page, but in the same discussion (such as Talk:Hardcore_pornography#Image) without any acknowledgement whatsoever.

Based on the above, I checked the accounts mentioned and the following are  Confirmed as being socks of David Shankbone ( talk · contribs):

This edit in particular concerns me, as it's a blatant denial of his being David Shankbone whilst editing in his own interests (and getting in a personal attack at the same time).

Also  Stale:

I cannot comment on the Fat Jenny ( talk · contribs) account, as it does not relate to this project and is beyond our remit - Allie ❤ 02:07, 1 December 2009 (UTC) reply

Conclusions
This case has been marked as closed. It has been archived automatically.


Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/David_Shankbone/Archive&oldid=1146667351"

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