He made a edit in the admin noticeboard and this brought my attention here No one would need this many "legit alts" unless ment for vandalism.
And I added Alonsornunez because the user made edits to tennis related articles which adds another possable sock to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GoldenChiefLion1 ( talk • contribs) 18:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
This is a convoluted mess, but at a glance it seems unlikely that Tennis expert and Bluedogtn are the same user, as they have been edit-warring on Tennis expert's talk page, and Bluedogtn reported Tennis expert at WP:WQA. I suppose it could be an elaborate ploy to make them appear to be two different users, but without checkuser evidence that would be difficult to establish. Bluedog has quite a stack of acknowledged alternate accounts, and I think some clarification of why one user needs 11 accounts is in order, especially when at least one of them, User:TennisAuthority, could be reasonably assumed to have been created specifically to try and counteract User: Tennis expert. Also, Bluedogs report to WQA was about a sockpuppet report on him by Tennis expert, anyone have any idea where that is? Beeblebrox ( talk) 19:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
No way is Bluedogtn a sockpuppet; it seems very evident that he has not hidden his multiple accounts. This accusation does seems very suspicious, especially coming so soon after I was just cleared of being a sockpuppet of a different user by Tennis Expert. Bluedogtn and I have been accused of being connected before (see [Talk:WikiProject_Tennis], in the "Suggestions Anyone? section near the bottom) by Tennis Expert. I suggest looking there first. Alonsornunez ( talk) 12:49, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
There is no sufficient evidence that the listed accounts have engaged in sockpuppetry. PeterSymonds ( talk) 12:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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PeterSymonds ( talk) 12:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
The editor in question willingly admitted to using multiple accounts. Looking through the contribution history of the user names listed, it appears that they started editing as Bluedogtn, then adopted the name SaysWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyHow?, then The Gypsy Vagabond Man, then Agape101, then HotHat. However, looking through the history, they overlapped at some points. I do not know why this user operated more than one account, but I suspect that some deception was intended here. They admitted to paid editing, but stipulated that everything was done according to policy, and that because of the recent policy changes regarding paid editing, they are now leaving Wikipedia. I have actually worked with this editor for at least two years, probably three, and they gave no indication of the nature of their activities until today, when after a dispute with The Rambling Man they became frustrated and revealed the multiple accounts. I'm not sure if this is actual socking activity, as I don't see a history of any blocks, and they tended to use the accounts one after the other chronologically and thus did not use them to bolster arguments and the like. But there does seem to be an intent to hide their contributions. ¿3fam ily6 contribs 22:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
I first started editing Wikipedia in 2007 with IP addresses, then I started Bluedogtn to start to legitimate my activities on here, but I was not a nice person back in that day. So, I had a scorched earth policy to all of Wikipedia’s guidelines and policies, with the lone exception of being bold. This happened with regard to editor Thumperward and adding flagicons to governmental boxes, which the policy sited to me back then, was other stuff exists, and I hated it profusely. I was trying to match-up the United States ones to the Canadian ones for governmental officials’ offices. Then, it got worse with respect to other things associated to golf (with Tewapack and Wjemather) and tennis (with TennisExpert) because I was rather uncivil with them with regard to policies and procedures. So, I created a vast array of accounts with the word of Authority and TW-RF and TN-IS attached to piss them off at that time, which I did not understand was against policies, but remember that I had a scorched earth attitude towards Wikipedia at that time. Also, I used my ip addresses, which have changed over the years, to evade detection. This was also against policies. Then, I started other accounts after the Bluedogtn to evade detection, which was SaysWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyHow? and The Gypsy Vagabond Man to get onto a new start, but I still was that same bloody heathen bastard, who had an utter disregard for policies, so it did not work, and I was still a jackass. Something happened to me after attending church with a friend in November of 2011, which is why I started HotHat to do Christian music editing on here, and trying to follow policies and guidelines with Walter Gorlitz’s help and more recently 3family6. All this time being paid and sometimes unpaid editing, but that was no bother until just recently with respect to my job. So, I had to find a way to exit by July 1 in order to not report this to my boss about my account. I am in a high level security clearance position, so I cannot do any outside work without approval. Wikipedia recently changed their policy that was going to require me to disclose my identity, since I was paid, which I simply cannot do because the other job is the one that pays most of my bills. I realized this and became agitated and took it out on The Rambling Man. I am truly sorry to The Rambling Man for my recent misbehavior and accusations, which he had helped me oh so much on tennis and golf list nominations years ago. Fyunck(click) is correct that he is an exemplary editor. I really wanted to continue my pursuance of making more Christian music articles and following policies and guidelines like I did for Charmaine that Walter Gorlitz and 3family6 were helpful on the article and in the discussion. This is why it kills me to have to go, whenever I could not be paid and remain anonymous anymore. If I do come back it will be after a bunch of years because of the paid editing with regard to my current job. I cannot do any unpaid work right now that is the reason I terminated HotHat because I won’t remember the password in five to ten years. To show you that I care about your policies and guidelines and notability of stuff, I just recently nominated three Matt Maher albums for deletion that got deleted. I created them at the start of HotHat, but I did not understand NALBUMS, which is based on MUSICBIO, so I created them back in the day. I just wanted to follow the policies and guidelines spelled out by your encyclopedia, but then paid editing disclosures cropped up, so I became uncivil to The Rambling Man. By the way, I understand why Wikipedia did what it did, so I am gone now, peace at last to all. HotHat ( talk) 19:57, 1 July 2014 (UTC) BLUE DOG TN 19:58, 1 July 2014 (UTC) The Gypsy Vagabond Man ( talk) 14:22, 3 July 2014 (UTC) SaysWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyHow? ( talk) 14:23, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Here are the accounts that I used in the timeframes,
I was a sock some four years ago, but I have been on the up-and-up ever since then, and I have been an above board Wikipedian, since I started my HotHat days, which if this old crap is enough to block all my accounts then so-be-it. In the long run, I think that I have done more help than harm to this encyclopedia with my creations with regards to tennis and season articles to reduce the size growths on the biographical articles and worked on numerous lists, and golf with the numerous tournament pages and lists particularly the women. I helped to codify the way tennis scores were presented, which is still in use today. I tried and failed on the Lindsey Vonn season article, but that got deleted. I should have titled Lindsey Vonn in 2010 to the 2010 Lindsey Vonn skiing season, but I was dumb at the time and did not understand scope, but I remedied it with 2010 Rafael Nadal tennis season. I started most of the early Roger Federer ones, and converted them to the new methodologies. Now lets get to HotHat and Cloverton that shows and proves that I changed my ways discussion, which it got deleted. Furthermore, I researched and created the RS list of Christian music, and did so with community assistance. I understood with HotHat to put the encyclopedia first before myself, which I did. Hard ass editors like my former self can change their ways, when they look at the person in the mirror. I am telling 100-percent of the truth, so I can be made whole again. LOVE! BLUE DOG TN 05:44, 2 July 2014 (UTC) HotHat ( talk) 05:45, 2 July 2014 (UTC) The Gypsy Vagabond Man ( talk) 14:22, 3 July 2014 (UTC) SaysWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyHow? ( talk) 14:23, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Clerk note: Although admission may be good for the soul and it's certainly possible the user has reformed, I don't think Wikipedia should tolerate the previous abuse. In addition, the user states he's leaving for good, so if that's true - and only time will tell - there's no harm, and if not, then the blocks assist if there's any future evidence of socking. I've blocked all the named accounts except TW-RF and TN-IS. Those are only two puppets that have not been used for any purpose, even to facilitate the admissions, since 2010. I've tagged all the blocked accounts but in a slightly schizoid fashion. The master is tagged as suspected as I see only that choice or the false representation that there's been a CU. The puppets, though, are tagged as "is" (confirmed parameter) not "suspected" because of the admissions. Closing.--
Bbb23 (
talk)
17:04, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
One of Bluedogtn's confirmed sock, User:HotHat liked to use a non-standard way of formatting genres, particularly in the lede. The editor would pipe long genre names into a shorter name and then hyphenate them such as [[contemporary Christian music|Christian]]-[[folk music|folk]]. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Running_to_Follow&oldid=612318156 (shows the hyphenation) https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Crowder_%28musician%29&oldid=589584282 (merging genres) https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=The_Art_of_Celebration&oldid=602818135 (hyphenation again) https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=City_Harbor&oldid=593723339 (both)
This editor made such an edit https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=I_Will_Follow_%28album%29&oldid=636828106
I do not like blocking currently productive editors for past mistakes, but also recognize that there are rules. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:28, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
This could be a repeat of HotHat, but the behavior doesn't look similar enough for me to suspect a connection. If they are that user, they've changed their editing habits significantly. I do want to make it clear that I did ask Walter Görlitz to monitor new accounts editing or creating music articles, particularly Christian music, after now-retired user AdditionSubtraction demonstrated remarkably similar editing habits to HotHat (focused on Christian music and tennis articles, created album articles consisting primarily of a critical reception section, which contain awkward prose and large amounts of quotes from reviews). The edits by The Hyphen are different, though.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 16:45, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
He made a edit in the admin noticeboard and this brought my attention here No one would need this many "legit alts" unless ment for vandalism.
And I added Alonsornunez because the user made edits to tennis related articles which adds another possable sock to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GoldenChiefLion1 ( talk • contribs) 18:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
This is a convoluted mess, but at a glance it seems unlikely that Tennis expert and Bluedogtn are the same user, as they have been edit-warring on Tennis expert's talk page, and Bluedogtn reported Tennis expert at WP:WQA. I suppose it could be an elaborate ploy to make them appear to be two different users, but without checkuser evidence that would be difficult to establish. Bluedog has quite a stack of acknowledged alternate accounts, and I think some clarification of why one user needs 11 accounts is in order, especially when at least one of them, User:TennisAuthority, could be reasonably assumed to have been created specifically to try and counteract User: Tennis expert. Also, Bluedogs report to WQA was about a sockpuppet report on him by Tennis expert, anyone have any idea where that is? Beeblebrox ( talk) 19:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
No way is Bluedogtn a sockpuppet; it seems very evident that he has not hidden his multiple accounts. This accusation does seems very suspicious, especially coming so soon after I was just cleared of being a sockpuppet of a different user by Tennis Expert. Bluedogtn and I have been accused of being connected before (see [Talk:WikiProject_Tennis], in the "Suggestions Anyone? section near the bottom) by Tennis Expert. I suggest looking there first. Alonsornunez ( talk) 12:49, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
There is no sufficient evidence that the listed accounts have engaged in sockpuppetry. PeterSymonds ( talk) 12:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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PeterSymonds ( talk) 12:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
The editor in question willingly admitted to using multiple accounts. Looking through the contribution history of the user names listed, it appears that they started editing as Bluedogtn, then adopted the name SaysWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyHow?, then The Gypsy Vagabond Man, then Agape101, then HotHat. However, looking through the history, they overlapped at some points. I do not know why this user operated more than one account, but I suspect that some deception was intended here. They admitted to paid editing, but stipulated that everything was done according to policy, and that because of the recent policy changes regarding paid editing, they are now leaving Wikipedia. I have actually worked with this editor for at least two years, probably three, and they gave no indication of the nature of their activities until today, when after a dispute with The Rambling Man they became frustrated and revealed the multiple accounts. I'm not sure if this is actual socking activity, as I don't see a history of any blocks, and they tended to use the accounts one after the other chronologically and thus did not use them to bolster arguments and the like. But there does seem to be an intent to hide their contributions. ¿3fam ily6 contribs 22:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
I first started editing Wikipedia in 2007 with IP addresses, then I started Bluedogtn to start to legitimate my activities on here, but I was not a nice person back in that day. So, I had a scorched earth policy to all of Wikipedia’s guidelines and policies, with the lone exception of being bold. This happened with regard to editor Thumperward and adding flagicons to governmental boxes, which the policy sited to me back then, was other stuff exists, and I hated it profusely. I was trying to match-up the United States ones to the Canadian ones for governmental officials’ offices. Then, it got worse with respect to other things associated to golf (with Tewapack and Wjemather) and tennis (with TennisExpert) because I was rather uncivil with them with regard to policies and procedures. So, I created a vast array of accounts with the word of Authority and TW-RF and TN-IS attached to piss them off at that time, which I did not understand was against policies, but remember that I had a scorched earth attitude towards Wikipedia at that time. Also, I used my ip addresses, which have changed over the years, to evade detection. This was also against policies. Then, I started other accounts after the Bluedogtn to evade detection, which was SaysWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyHow? and The Gypsy Vagabond Man to get onto a new start, but I still was that same bloody heathen bastard, who had an utter disregard for policies, so it did not work, and I was still a jackass. Something happened to me after attending church with a friend in November of 2011, which is why I started HotHat to do Christian music editing on here, and trying to follow policies and guidelines with Walter Gorlitz’s help and more recently 3family6. All this time being paid and sometimes unpaid editing, but that was no bother until just recently with respect to my job. So, I had to find a way to exit by July 1 in order to not report this to my boss about my account. I am in a high level security clearance position, so I cannot do any outside work without approval. Wikipedia recently changed their policy that was going to require me to disclose my identity, since I was paid, which I simply cannot do because the other job is the one that pays most of my bills. I realized this and became agitated and took it out on The Rambling Man. I am truly sorry to The Rambling Man for my recent misbehavior and accusations, which he had helped me oh so much on tennis and golf list nominations years ago. Fyunck(click) is correct that he is an exemplary editor. I really wanted to continue my pursuance of making more Christian music articles and following policies and guidelines like I did for Charmaine that Walter Gorlitz and 3family6 were helpful on the article and in the discussion. This is why it kills me to have to go, whenever I could not be paid and remain anonymous anymore. If I do come back it will be after a bunch of years because of the paid editing with regard to my current job. I cannot do any unpaid work right now that is the reason I terminated HotHat because I won’t remember the password in five to ten years. To show you that I care about your policies and guidelines and notability of stuff, I just recently nominated three Matt Maher albums for deletion that got deleted. I created them at the start of HotHat, but I did not understand NALBUMS, which is based on MUSICBIO, so I created them back in the day. I just wanted to follow the policies and guidelines spelled out by your encyclopedia, but then paid editing disclosures cropped up, so I became uncivil to The Rambling Man. By the way, I understand why Wikipedia did what it did, so I am gone now, peace at last to all. HotHat ( talk) 19:57, 1 July 2014 (UTC) BLUE DOG TN 19:58, 1 July 2014 (UTC) The Gypsy Vagabond Man ( talk) 14:22, 3 July 2014 (UTC) SaysWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyHow? ( talk) 14:23, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Here are the accounts that I used in the timeframes,
I was a sock some four years ago, but I have been on the up-and-up ever since then, and I have been an above board Wikipedian, since I started my HotHat days, which if this old crap is enough to block all my accounts then so-be-it. In the long run, I think that I have done more help than harm to this encyclopedia with my creations with regards to tennis and season articles to reduce the size growths on the biographical articles and worked on numerous lists, and golf with the numerous tournament pages and lists particularly the women. I helped to codify the way tennis scores were presented, which is still in use today. I tried and failed on the Lindsey Vonn season article, but that got deleted. I should have titled Lindsey Vonn in 2010 to the 2010 Lindsey Vonn skiing season, but I was dumb at the time and did not understand scope, but I remedied it with 2010 Rafael Nadal tennis season. I started most of the early Roger Federer ones, and converted them to the new methodologies. Now lets get to HotHat and Cloverton that shows and proves that I changed my ways discussion, which it got deleted. Furthermore, I researched and created the RS list of Christian music, and did so with community assistance. I understood with HotHat to put the encyclopedia first before myself, which I did. Hard ass editors like my former self can change their ways, when they look at the person in the mirror. I am telling 100-percent of the truth, so I can be made whole again. LOVE! BLUE DOG TN 05:44, 2 July 2014 (UTC) HotHat ( talk) 05:45, 2 July 2014 (UTC) The Gypsy Vagabond Man ( talk) 14:22, 3 July 2014 (UTC) SaysWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyHow? ( talk) 14:23, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Clerk note: Although admission may be good for the soul and it's certainly possible the user has reformed, I don't think Wikipedia should tolerate the previous abuse. In addition, the user states he's leaving for good, so if that's true - and only time will tell - there's no harm, and if not, then the blocks assist if there's any future evidence of socking. I've blocked all the named accounts except TW-RF and TN-IS. Those are only two puppets that have not been used for any purpose, even to facilitate the admissions, since 2010. I've tagged all the blocked accounts but in a slightly schizoid fashion. The master is tagged as suspected as I see only that choice or the false representation that there's been a CU. The puppets, though, are tagged as "is" (confirmed parameter) not "suspected" because of the admissions. Closing.--
Bbb23 (
talk)
17:04, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
One of Bluedogtn's confirmed sock, User:HotHat liked to use a non-standard way of formatting genres, particularly in the lede. The editor would pipe long genre names into a shorter name and then hyphenate them such as [[contemporary Christian music|Christian]]-[[folk music|folk]]. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Running_to_Follow&oldid=612318156 (shows the hyphenation) https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Crowder_%28musician%29&oldid=589584282 (merging genres) https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=The_Art_of_Celebration&oldid=602818135 (hyphenation again) https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=City_Harbor&oldid=593723339 (both)
This editor made such an edit https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=I_Will_Follow_%28album%29&oldid=636828106
I do not like blocking currently productive editors for past mistakes, but also recognize that there are rules. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:28, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
This could be a repeat of HotHat, but the behavior doesn't look similar enough for me to suspect a connection. If they are that user, they've changed their editing habits significantly. I do want to make it clear that I did ask Walter Görlitz to monitor new accounts editing or creating music articles, particularly Christian music, after now-retired user AdditionSubtraction demonstrated remarkably similar editing habits to HotHat (focused on Christian music and tennis articles, created album articles consisting primarily of a critical reception section, which contain awkward prose and large amounts of quotes from reviews). The edits by The Hyphen are different, though.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 16:45, 6 December 2014 (UTC)