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Boothy443 has shown a clear lack of good conduct in recent months. Boothy claimed on his user page a while back that "Admins are evil", and has since opposed almost every RfA posted without reasoning. While this is allowed, it appears to be to prove a point that "Admins, especially new ones, are not good people". He has also engaged in personal attacks, sometimes even through edit summaries, which leaves non-user friendly comments in page histories. Friendly suggestions and advice on his user page is promptly deleted by him, often with a personal attack. He also recently redirected his user talk page to Wikipedia:Sheep vote, and replaced his signature with a link to it too. I consider this to be disrupting Wikipedia.
Boothy443 has been warned before, but he simply deletes and ignores the advice given to him. If he continues, he will only further disrupt the RfA process, and drive users away from Wikipedia with his deliberate personal comments. Hedley 14:49, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
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Boothy443's views towards adminship are legitimate however his manner of putting them forth is disruptive. However, I don't think that the evidence cited above gives a fair representation of the issue. Looking at the edit history of the article he redirected his talk page to, just before it was nominated for deletion ( [23]) shows that Boothy443 was cited on this page as being disruptive. This may be the case; but "naming and shaming" people is not helpful. I do not find Boothy443's actions due to this disproportionate to the harm it may have caused. Call a spade a spade, yes, but do it to their face (in a fair manner) or do not do it.
I find Boothy443's behavior somewhat disruptive, but I do not think that others are "being the better man" towards him. I believe Boothy443 needs to create a page where he documents his feelings towards admins and the adminship procedure, rather than voting oppose to the majority of nominations. His criticisms of adminship are more likely to result in reform than voting oppose; voting oppose has little effect on the number of admins created, and may inflame attitudes.
As an aside: if Boothy443 chooses to create a page documenting his feelings towards adminship, I will gladly help him clarify and improve his page.
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Boothy443 is entirely entitled to oppose any RfA for any reason whatsoever, including no reason, and to express that opposition, as long as he refrains from personally attacking the candidate or any other person in so doing. I don't consider his blanket opposition votes "disruptive", although I agree with others who have said that bureaucrats should refrain from giving a great deal of weight to his oppose votes in close cases. I don't believe that the generic position that "admins are evil" is a personal attack.
He's also entitled to delete comments from his talk page, again, provided that he refrains from engaging in personal attacks. However, being deliberately uncommunicative with other editors is antisocial and contrary to the benefit of Wikipedia. Redirecting one's talk page to a nondiscussion article is both disruptive and anticommunicative and should be avoided at all times.
I agree that Boothy443's edit summaries are unnecessarily inflammatory, and not merely on edits related to his campaign against the "evil admins": the use of the term "freaking" in this edit sumamry is inappropriate. This is, however, a minor issue.
I see no reason to believe that Wikipedia:Sheep vote, in its current form, at least, is directed at or a personal comment on Boothy443 personally. It's posssible that his previous inclusion on this page (as an example of a "wolf vote") was being used to attack his position in the past, which would be inappropriate; however, I do not believe that the page was, in fact, a personal attack. That said, this does not excuse disabling his talk page: communication between editors is very important to the smooth functioning of the encyclopedia and should not be disabled without very good cause.
I also believe that Boothy443 has been unnecessarily hounded for his RfA voting pattern; by now everybody knows how he feels about RfA and repeated demands for him to "explain his votes" on RfA are just salt in an open wound. I would ask that everyone else just leave him alone about this. Boothy443 appears to be continuing to contribute to the encyclopedia in good faith elsewhere; it seems that the best course of action is for everyone else to just ignore his idiosyncratic voting behavior. If he stops rendering his talk page unusable, I see no reason why this matter needs to go to the ArbCom.
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I want to briefly acknowledge Boothy's good contributions to the project. Go back a few months and you will see that he was an efficient, thorough, and fast RC patroller, indeed was one of the best anti-vandal fighters we have ever had.
There's sometimes a bit too much focus on negative behavior on the wiki; a user can make thousands of good edits without so much as a "thank-you". While his "oppose" votes are disruptive to a degree, his good work needs acknowledgement, so here it is.
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Everybody knows how Boothy443 votes on RfA. It is fairly plainly a WP:POINT. It is one of very little consequence, however, since I trust the Bureaucrats to give consideration to Boothy443's manner of voting and history relating to adminship generally. Little, and probably nothing, is gained by anyone challenging the RfA votes, communicating with Boothy443 about it, or creating an RfC about it. There is no reason to believe that any of these actions show any promise at repairing Boothy443's relation with the RfA process or indeed with admins in general.
With this reasoning, and contrary to the opening statement of this RfC, namely that "...he will only further disrupt the RfA process, and drive users away from Wikipedia with his deliberate personal comments...", ignoring Booth443's RfA behaviour and trusting Bureaucrat judgement means Boothy443 will have no effect on the RfA process until the WP:POINTs come to an end.
Boothy443's votes on RfA should simply be quietly ignored; that way they do noone any harm.
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The feeling I get about RfAs these days (and indeed from reading this page) is that RfAs is some sort of glorified election process with a high pass-mark (80% or whatever it is). It is not, atleast it should not be, and it was not intended that way. The idea behind RfA is that there should be a discussion whether this user is suitable for adminship, to see if there is a strong support in the community, and to generally air out any doubts which users have with them and then let the candidate respond. If there are a few serious objections from the community, the user will not be adminned even though there are, say, 81% people supporting. RfA works, in short, by consensus.
Boothy443s actions and ideas goes wholly against this notion. His refusal to state his reason so to start a serious discussion is not only disruptive, it is also quite insulting to the candidates. Had RfA been an election he could certainly vote whichever way he wants, but this is not the case. If he has problems with the adminship system he is perfectly welcome, encouraged even, to take them up in more appropriate venues. I think this sort of behaviour is not something to be glossed over.
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The only harm caused by his annoying behaviour is that prospective admins don't get the pleasant feeling of a potential unanimous vote. Too bad! Wikipedia isn't therapy. An admin has to be able to put up with a lot nastier shit than not getting a unanimous vote; eventually some or another troll, POV-pusher, or plain fool is going to take exception with the admin's action and start hurling feces. Anyone whose feelings are badly hurt by the lack of a unanimous vote isn't suited for the task. It would be nice if he'd knock it off, but it hardly rises to the level that Something Must Be Done.
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While it is unfortunate that Boothy443 holds such a strong grudge against administrators, he has the right to vote for whomever he wants and has the right to vote however he wants. There are several users who support nominees almost everytime, without comment. Their votes are never questioned and changed. Yet, when someone votes oppose with no comment, even if it is everytime, he gets a RfC brought against him. Boothy443's vote should not be ignored or considered inferior to other votes when counted by bureaucrats. I believe this RfC should only focus on his aggressive behavior towards fellow users and possible sockpuppetry, not his personal voting policy.
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This RFC is mooted by more recent behavior - specifically, Boothy's disclosure of some of his voting guidelines [24], and his recent votes for a number of highly qualified admins.
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Could you give me an opinion How do I deal with Boothy, after being gone for a month, he's back.
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Boothy443 has shown a clear lack of good conduct in recent months. Boothy claimed on his user page a while back that "Admins are evil", and has since opposed almost every RfA posted without reasoning. While this is allowed, it appears to be to prove a point that "Admins, especially new ones, are not good people". He has also engaged in personal attacks, sometimes even through edit summaries, which leaves non-user friendly comments in page histories. Friendly suggestions and advice on his user page is promptly deleted by him, often with a personal attack. He also recently redirected his user talk page to Wikipedia:Sheep vote, and replaced his signature with a link to it too. I consider this to be disrupting Wikipedia.
Boothy443 has been warned before, but he simply deletes and ignores the advice given to him. If he continues, he will only further disrupt the RfA process, and drive users away from Wikipedia with his deliberate personal comments. Hedley 14:49, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
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Boothy443's views towards adminship are legitimate however his manner of putting them forth is disruptive. However, I don't think that the evidence cited above gives a fair representation of the issue. Looking at the edit history of the article he redirected his talk page to, just before it was nominated for deletion ( [23]) shows that Boothy443 was cited on this page as being disruptive. This may be the case; but "naming and shaming" people is not helpful. I do not find Boothy443's actions due to this disproportionate to the harm it may have caused. Call a spade a spade, yes, but do it to their face (in a fair manner) or do not do it.
I find Boothy443's behavior somewhat disruptive, but I do not think that others are "being the better man" towards him. I believe Boothy443 needs to create a page where he documents his feelings towards admins and the adminship procedure, rather than voting oppose to the majority of nominations. His criticisms of adminship are more likely to result in reform than voting oppose; voting oppose has little effect on the number of admins created, and may inflame attitudes.
As an aside: if Boothy443 chooses to create a page documenting his feelings towards adminship, I will gladly help him clarify and improve his page.
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Boothy443 is entirely entitled to oppose any RfA for any reason whatsoever, including no reason, and to express that opposition, as long as he refrains from personally attacking the candidate or any other person in so doing. I don't consider his blanket opposition votes "disruptive", although I agree with others who have said that bureaucrats should refrain from giving a great deal of weight to his oppose votes in close cases. I don't believe that the generic position that "admins are evil" is a personal attack.
He's also entitled to delete comments from his talk page, again, provided that he refrains from engaging in personal attacks. However, being deliberately uncommunicative with other editors is antisocial and contrary to the benefit of Wikipedia. Redirecting one's talk page to a nondiscussion article is both disruptive and anticommunicative and should be avoided at all times.
I agree that Boothy443's edit summaries are unnecessarily inflammatory, and not merely on edits related to his campaign against the "evil admins": the use of the term "freaking" in this edit sumamry is inappropriate. This is, however, a minor issue.
I see no reason to believe that Wikipedia:Sheep vote, in its current form, at least, is directed at or a personal comment on Boothy443 personally. It's posssible that his previous inclusion on this page (as an example of a "wolf vote") was being used to attack his position in the past, which would be inappropriate; however, I do not believe that the page was, in fact, a personal attack. That said, this does not excuse disabling his talk page: communication between editors is very important to the smooth functioning of the encyclopedia and should not be disabled without very good cause.
I also believe that Boothy443 has been unnecessarily hounded for his RfA voting pattern; by now everybody knows how he feels about RfA and repeated demands for him to "explain his votes" on RfA are just salt in an open wound. I would ask that everyone else just leave him alone about this. Boothy443 appears to be continuing to contribute to the encyclopedia in good faith elsewhere; it seems that the best course of action is for everyone else to just ignore his idiosyncratic voting behavior. If he stops rendering his talk page unusable, I see no reason why this matter needs to go to the ArbCom.
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I want to briefly acknowledge Boothy's good contributions to the project. Go back a few months and you will see that he was an efficient, thorough, and fast RC patroller, indeed was one of the best anti-vandal fighters we have ever had.
There's sometimes a bit too much focus on negative behavior on the wiki; a user can make thousands of good edits without so much as a "thank-you". While his "oppose" votes are disruptive to a degree, his good work needs acknowledgement, so here it is.
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Everybody knows how Boothy443 votes on RfA. It is fairly plainly a WP:POINT. It is one of very little consequence, however, since I trust the Bureaucrats to give consideration to Boothy443's manner of voting and history relating to adminship generally. Little, and probably nothing, is gained by anyone challenging the RfA votes, communicating with Boothy443 about it, or creating an RfC about it. There is no reason to believe that any of these actions show any promise at repairing Boothy443's relation with the RfA process or indeed with admins in general.
With this reasoning, and contrary to the opening statement of this RfC, namely that "...he will only further disrupt the RfA process, and drive users away from Wikipedia with his deliberate personal comments...", ignoring Booth443's RfA behaviour and trusting Bureaucrat judgement means Boothy443 will have no effect on the RfA process until the WP:POINTs come to an end.
Boothy443's votes on RfA should simply be quietly ignored; that way they do noone any harm.
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The feeling I get about RfAs these days (and indeed from reading this page) is that RfAs is some sort of glorified election process with a high pass-mark (80% or whatever it is). It is not, atleast it should not be, and it was not intended that way. The idea behind RfA is that there should be a discussion whether this user is suitable for adminship, to see if there is a strong support in the community, and to generally air out any doubts which users have with them and then let the candidate respond. If there are a few serious objections from the community, the user will not be adminned even though there are, say, 81% people supporting. RfA works, in short, by consensus.
Boothy443s actions and ideas goes wholly against this notion. His refusal to state his reason so to start a serious discussion is not only disruptive, it is also quite insulting to the candidates. Had RfA been an election he could certainly vote whichever way he wants, but this is not the case. If he has problems with the adminship system he is perfectly welcome, encouraged even, to take them up in more appropriate venues. I think this sort of behaviour is not something to be glossed over.
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The only harm caused by his annoying behaviour is that prospective admins don't get the pleasant feeling of a potential unanimous vote. Too bad! Wikipedia isn't therapy. An admin has to be able to put up with a lot nastier shit than not getting a unanimous vote; eventually some or another troll, POV-pusher, or plain fool is going to take exception with the admin's action and start hurling feces. Anyone whose feelings are badly hurt by the lack of a unanimous vote isn't suited for the task. It would be nice if he'd knock it off, but it hardly rises to the level that Something Must Be Done.
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While it is unfortunate that Boothy443 holds such a strong grudge against administrators, he has the right to vote for whomever he wants and has the right to vote however he wants. There are several users who support nominees almost everytime, without comment. Their votes are never questioned and changed. Yet, when someone votes oppose with no comment, even if it is everytime, he gets a RfC brought against him. Boothy443's vote should not be ignored or considered inferior to other votes when counted by bureaucrats. I believe this RfC should only focus on his aggressive behavior towards fellow users and possible sockpuppetry, not his personal voting policy.
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This RFC is mooted by more recent behavior - specifically, Boothy's disclosure of some of his voting guidelines [24], and his recent votes for a number of highly qualified admins.
All signed comments and talk not related to a vote or endorsement, should be directed to this page's discussion page.
Could you give me an opinion How do I deal with Boothy, after being gone for a month, he's back.