final (82/1/0) ending 11:39, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Peruvianllama (
talk·contribs) – Peruvianllama is neither a
llama nor from
Peru. He is, however an exemplary Wikipedian with about 5,100 edits, and has been with us for almost two years. He reverts an awful lot of vandalism and takes the time to issue a warning template on nearly every occasion. He uses edit summaries 100% of the time, often very detailed ones at that, and doesn't push POV or participate in edit wars. The llama has no natural enemies except for the vandals who insult him, including those who parodied him at
YTMND.com wikipediaisrunbyvirgins.ytmnd.com/. When he became aware of this, he merely shrugged it off as usual (just see his talk page) and added it to
WP:BJAODN. His user page gets anonymously vandalized quite a bit, and I offered to semi-protect it for him, but he declined (I think he enjoys the vandalism, actually). I supported his first nomination, which occurred at about the same time as mine, but he declined that as well, and I'm still trying to figure out why, as I believed, and still do believe, him to be more qualified than myself. So let's give him the mop, eh? — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 10:28, Jan. 22, 2006
Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I cheerfully accept. --
PeruvianLlama(
spit) 11:43, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support
Heh-heh-I'm-faster-than-y'all-support — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 10:28, Jan. 22, 2006
Support. For some reason, I thought he was an admin already. --
Woohookitty(cat scratches) 12:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Definitely.
Jacoplane 12:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support and uphold the rights of Peruvians and Llamas everywhere --
Deiz 12:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support: --
Bhadani 12:41, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support has plenty of experience across wikipedia, will make a good admin. --
pgk(
talk) 12:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. I think Mr P Llama will make a good one.
TintinTalk 13:05, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support most edits vandalism related, but other ones too. I support the man who thinks he's a llama from Peru. --
a.n.o.n.y.mt 15:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Super Freak Support —
Locke Cole •
t •
c 16:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Impressed by user's activity on user_talk pages (i.e.- understands the importance of warnings), will make a good admin.
EWS23 |
(Leave me a message!) 03:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. UH-OH, IRC CABAL! (Actually, I just can't think of anything to say that hasn't already been said.)
Mo0[
talk] 03:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support - seems to be a really nice editor
abakharev 03:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Extreme Virgin Support!!!! (oh, wait, that's an old meme already). I would have nominated him myself, as he shows good judgment overall.
Titoxd(
?!? -
help us) 06:28, 24 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support, I see him around at night and he helps revert vandalism, good user.
VegaDark 07:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support of course. I remember he stayed commendably cool over the St Francis High School incident, and I am certain he will make an excellent admin. --
RobertG ♬
talk 10:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I seriously cannot believe you're not an admin yet.
Johnleemk |
Talk 11:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Extreme Llama support Granted, my interaction with PeruvianLlama has been limited, but when I have come across him, he seems like a curteous and knowledgable guy.--
Shanel 22:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Thanks for the tips and pointers. And getting me to spend my free time editing.
Fireduck |
Talk 01:04, 25 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support We need more virgin admins. :P --
Wikiacc (
talk) 01:34, 25 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support --
MONGO 01:51, 25 January 2006 (UTC)reply
support, till the cows come homeBenon 08:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)reply
support funky username. oh yeh, and he'd make a good admin, too └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 18:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Great vandal fighter with whom I've had nothing but good experiences with. I trust him with the keys to the janitor's closet. --
malo(tlk)(cntrbtns) 01:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Good contibutions.--
Dakota~ε 02:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I Support this quadruped.
Grutness...wha? 09:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Not that I needed to, judging from the above, but pleased to anyway.
Staffelde 14:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. What else can I say about a llama?
Ck lostsword 14:46, 29 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose
Oppose. Not been around enough.
Pschemp |
Talk 15:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
You're kidding right? Users first contrib was on 19:11, March 26, 2004. —
Locke Cole •
t •
c 16:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
No, not kidding, only 14 edits were made in the period from 3/2004 to 7/2005. As far as I'm concerned that means he only started doing anything meaningful in 7/2005. The bulk have been done only in the last four months.
Pschemp |
Talk 01:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Editing seriously since July..seems long enough. —
Moeε 01:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
And to add to Moe Epsilon's response, it's possible they were reading during that time and/or lurking. Anyways, I just wanted to make sure you didn't misread when their first contrib was. =) —
Locke Cole •
t •
c 01:34, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Neutral
Comments
Edit summary usage: 100% for major edits and 100% for minor edits. Based on the last 150 major and 150 minor edits outside the Wikipedia, User, Image, and all Talk namespaces.
Mathbot 11:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
See information about
Peruvianllama's edits with tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Peruvianllama&dbname=enwiki_p Interiot's edit count tool or tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/contribution_tree?user=Peruvianllama&dbname=enwiki_p Interiot's edit history tool.
Questions for the candidate A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
A. The majority of my edits are dealing with vandalism, so I don't expect that to change any time soon, and the benefits of SysOp rights for that are obvious. Historically I've tried to be somewhat active with AfDs, which I could also be closing as the need arose. I'd also like to make sure that
articles tagged for speedy deletion are appropriately dealt with on a regular basis.
2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
A. I had a great time researching some content for
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Hilbert%27s_thirteenth_problem&diff=26917670&oldid=26824169 an edit to
Hilbert's thirteenth problem. I also started a stub for
Klára Dobrev, which is almost certainly insignificant in terms of content or filesize, but was nonetheless alot of fun to research since I have no personal knowledge of Hungarian politics. I think one of Wikipedia's biggest strengths is its focus on breadth of content, and so using it to expand my own horizons is always a fun experience.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
As a relative
newbie, I was also impressed by the sense of community as others removed vandalism from my user and talk pages. It was a nice feeling to be new to a group, and yet still be "defended" as one of them; I hope that I can pass the same sense of community on to others who are new to Wikipedia.
The following are some optional questions. There are no correct answers to these questions and I simply want to know your opinions rather than see a correct answer. Thanks! --
Deathphoenix 03:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
4. When would you use {{
test1}}, and when would you use {{
bv}}?
A. I think the {{
bv}} template is a relatively harsh warning that should be reserved for those vandals that are, well, "blatant". The anonymous editor who blanks ten articles in two minutes, replacing them all with
WoW or
WiC nonsense is probably not simply misguided or uninformed about Wikipedia's policies, but is rather someone out to be disruptive. Someone who changes the user pages of the five admins they hate the most into redirects to
asshole is also not doing so out of ignorance but out of intent to be disruptive. These are the users who should be warned quickly and pointedly that useful edits are welcome, but vandalism is not.
The {{
test1}} template is for the users at the complete opposite end of the spectrum, who are really and truly trying to figure out what this "edit" button really does anyway. At least for registered users, I sometimes prefer to post a {{Welcome}}-style message instead since it partly serves the same purpose (to gently let the user know that their edits do have consequences) and it might seem more friendly and informative than a note about "vandalism" to a
clueless newbie.
When in doubt, I think it's better to use a lower numbered test template than it is to scare off a potentially valuable editor.
5. What would you do if a user reverts an article four times in slightly more than 24 hours? (Thus obeying the letter of
WP:3RR.)
A. My understanding of
WP:3RR is that it exists to set an upper limit for an action that can easily lead to a disruptive situation, like an edit war. So I think that should be the priority: preventing or limiting an edit war, or similar situation. If such a user was also refusing to engage in discussion or attempt to compromise, then that might warrant a block under
WP:3RR. If the user was at least moderately engaged in reaching consensus, but at the same time neglected to measure the time between their edits, then that might not be worth a block.
I think the scenario you've outlined is fairly vague and so case-specific, but the user should at least be spoken with to see if there is a potential issue and if so, what its cause might be.
6. In your opinion, when should you speedy delete an article under
CSD A7 (unremarkable people or groups) and when should you nominate it for an
AFD instead?
A. If the article does not make any claim to notability, and if it is apparent that there is no reasonable claim that could be made, then it should be speedily deleted under CSD A7. A biography on an editor's best friend at school would probably meet this requirement.
If the article makes a poor claim to notability, or if it seems that a claim could conceivably be made, then it should be taken to AfD instead. Potentially-non-notable musicians would fall into this category. If the article is in the grey area, then I think it's better to err in favour of community consensus through an AfD.
7. How would you apply
NPOV to a controversial article that you are editing?
A. If it's controversial, then hopefully the talk page will be active, so some consensus can be reached. If it can't be reached, then I could only write as neutrally as I am able, and perhaps leave a note on the talk page inviting others to comment on my edit.
8. What are your greatest frustrations with Wikipedia?
A. The amount of discord that occurs because of disagreements over bureaucratic issues is saddening, but not at all surprising when you consider the number of differently opinionated people that Wikipedia brings together. And the amount of vandalism is frustrating, but also not at all surprising since Wikipedia is on this whole "internet" thing, where it's often easier to be destructive than creative.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page.
final (82/1/0) ending 11:39, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Peruvianllama (
talk·contribs) – Peruvianllama is neither a
llama nor from
Peru. He is, however an exemplary Wikipedian with about 5,100 edits, and has been with us for almost two years. He reverts an awful lot of vandalism and takes the time to issue a warning template on nearly every occasion. He uses edit summaries 100% of the time, often very detailed ones at that, and doesn't push POV or participate in edit wars. The llama has no natural enemies except for the vandals who insult him, including those who parodied him at
YTMND.com wikipediaisrunbyvirgins.ytmnd.com/. When he became aware of this, he merely shrugged it off as usual (just see his talk page) and added it to
WP:BJAODN. His user page gets anonymously vandalized quite a bit, and I offered to semi-protect it for him, but he declined (I think he enjoys the vandalism, actually). I supported his first nomination, which occurred at about the same time as mine, but he declined that as well, and I'm still trying to figure out why, as I believed, and still do believe, him to be more qualified than myself. So let's give him the mop, eh? — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 10:28, Jan. 22, 2006
Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I cheerfully accept. --
PeruvianLlama(
spit) 11:43, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support
Heh-heh-I'm-faster-than-y'all-support — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 10:28, Jan. 22, 2006
Support. For some reason, I thought he was an admin already. --
Woohookitty(cat scratches) 12:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Definitely.
Jacoplane 12:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support and uphold the rights of Peruvians and Llamas everywhere --
Deiz 12:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support: --
Bhadani 12:41, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support has plenty of experience across wikipedia, will make a good admin. --
pgk(
talk) 12:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. I think Mr P Llama will make a good one.
TintinTalk 13:05, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support most edits vandalism related, but other ones too. I support the man who thinks he's a llama from Peru. --
a.n.o.n.y.mt 15:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Super Freak Support —
Locke Cole •
t •
c 16:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Impressed by user's activity on user_talk pages (i.e.- understands the importance of warnings), will make a good admin.
EWS23 |
(Leave me a message!) 03:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. UH-OH, IRC CABAL! (Actually, I just can't think of anything to say that hasn't already been said.)
Mo0[
talk] 03:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support - seems to be a really nice editor
abakharev 03:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Extreme Virgin Support!!!! (oh, wait, that's an old meme already). I would have nominated him myself, as he shows good judgment overall.
Titoxd(
?!? -
help us) 06:28, 24 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support, I see him around at night and he helps revert vandalism, good user.
VegaDark 07:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support of course. I remember he stayed commendably cool over the St Francis High School incident, and I am certain he will make an excellent admin. --
RobertG ♬
talk 10:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I seriously cannot believe you're not an admin yet.
Johnleemk |
Talk 11:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Extreme Llama support Granted, my interaction with PeruvianLlama has been limited, but when I have come across him, he seems like a curteous and knowledgable guy.--
Shanel 22:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Thanks for the tips and pointers. And getting me to spend my free time editing.
Fireduck |
Talk 01:04, 25 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support We need more virgin admins. :P --
Wikiacc (
talk) 01:34, 25 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support --
MONGO 01:51, 25 January 2006 (UTC)reply
support, till the cows come homeBenon 08:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)reply
support funky username. oh yeh, and he'd make a good admin, too └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 18:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Great vandal fighter with whom I've had nothing but good experiences with. I trust him with the keys to the janitor's closet. --
malo(tlk)(cntrbtns) 01:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Good contibutions.--
Dakota~ε 02:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)reply
I Support this quadruped.
Grutness...wha? 09:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Not that I needed to, judging from the above, but pleased to anyway.
Staffelde 14:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. What else can I say about a llama?
Ck lostsword 14:46, 29 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose
Oppose. Not been around enough.
Pschemp |
Talk 15:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
You're kidding right? Users first contrib was on 19:11, March 26, 2004. —
Locke Cole •
t •
c 16:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
No, not kidding, only 14 edits were made in the period from 3/2004 to 7/2005. As far as I'm concerned that means he only started doing anything meaningful in 7/2005. The bulk have been done only in the last four months.
Pschemp |
Talk 01:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Editing seriously since July..seems long enough. —
Moeε 01:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
And to add to Moe Epsilon's response, it's possible they were reading during that time and/or lurking. Anyways, I just wanted to make sure you didn't misread when their first contrib was. =) —
Locke Cole •
t •
c 01:34, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Neutral
Comments
Edit summary usage: 100% for major edits and 100% for minor edits. Based on the last 150 major and 150 minor edits outside the Wikipedia, User, Image, and all Talk namespaces.
Mathbot 11:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)reply
See information about
Peruvianllama's edits with tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Peruvianllama&dbname=enwiki_p Interiot's edit count tool or tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/contribution_tree?user=Peruvianllama&dbname=enwiki_p Interiot's edit history tool.
Questions for the candidate A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
A. The majority of my edits are dealing with vandalism, so I don't expect that to change any time soon, and the benefits of SysOp rights for that are obvious. Historically I've tried to be somewhat active with AfDs, which I could also be closing as the need arose. I'd also like to make sure that
articles tagged for speedy deletion are appropriately dealt with on a regular basis.
2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
A. I had a great time researching some content for
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Hilbert%27s_thirteenth_problem&diff=26917670&oldid=26824169 an edit to
Hilbert's thirteenth problem. I also started a stub for
Klára Dobrev, which is almost certainly insignificant in terms of content or filesize, but was nonetheless alot of fun to research since I have no personal knowledge of Hungarian politics. I think one of Wikipedia's biggest strengths is its focus on breadth of content, and so using it to expand my own horizons is always a fun experience.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
As a relative
newbie, I was also impressed by the sense of community as others removed vandalism from my user and talk pages. It was a nice feeling to be new to a group, and yet still be "defended" as one of them; I hope that I can pass the same sense of community on to others who are new to Wikipedia.
The following are some optional questions. There are no correct answers to these questions and I simply want to know your opinions rather than see a correct answer. Thanks! --
Deathphoenix 03:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)reply
4. When would you use {{
test1}}, and when would you use {{
bv}}?
A. I think the {{
bv}} template is a relatively harsh warning that should be reserved for those vandals that are, well, "blatant". The anonymous editor who blanks ten articles in two minutes, replacing them all with
WoW or
WiC nonsense is probably not simply misguided or uninformed about Wikipedia's policies, but is rather someone out to be disruptive. Someone who changes the user pages of the five admins they hate the most into redirects to
asshole is also not doing so out of ignorance but out of intent to be disruptive. These are the users who should be warned quickly and pointedly that useful edits are welcome, but vandalism is not.
The {{
test1}} template is for the users at the complete opposite end of the spectrum, who are really and truly trying to figure out what this "edit" button really does anyway. At least for registered users, I sometimes prefer to post a {{Welcome}}-style message instead since it partly serves the same purpose (to gently let the user know that their edits do have consequences) and it might seem more friendly and informative than a note about "vandalism" to a
clueless newbie.
When in doubt, I think it's better to use a lower numbered test template than it is to scare off a potentially valuable editor.
5. What would you do if a user reverts an article four times in slightly more than 24 hours? (Thus obeying the letter of
WP:3RR.)
A. My understanding of
WP:3RR is that it exists to set an upper limit for an action that can easily lead to a disruptive situation, like an edit war. So I think that should be the priority: preventing or limiting an edit war, or similar situation. If such a user was also refusing to engage in discussion or attempt to compromise, then that might warrant a block under
WP:3RR. If the user was at least moderately engaged in reaching consensus, but at the same time neglected to measure the time between their edits, then that might not be worth a block.
I think the scenario you've outlined is fairly vague and so case-specific, but the user should at least be spoken with to see if there is a potential issue and if so, what its cause might be.
6. In your opinion, when should you speedy delete an article under
CSD A7 (unremarkable people or groups) and when should you nominate it for an
AFD instead?
A. If the article does not make any claim to notability, and if it is apparent that there is no reasonable claim that could be made, then it should be speedily deleted under CSD A7. A biography on an editor's best friend at school would probably meet this requirement.
If the article makes a poor claim to notability, or if it seems that a claim could conceivably be made, then it should be taken to AfD instead. Potentially-non-notable musicians would fall into this category. If the article is in the grey area, then I think it's better to err in favour of community consensus through an AfD.
7. How would you apply
NPOV to a controversial article that you are editing?
A. If it's controversial, then hopefully the talk page will be active, so some consensus can be reached. If it can't be reached, then I could only write as neutrally as I am able, and perhaps leave a note on the talk page inviting others to comment on my edit.
8. What are your greatest frustrations with Wikipedia?
A. The amount of discord that occurs because of disagreements over bureaucratic issues is saddening, but not at all surprising when you consider the number of differently opinionated people that Wikipedia brings together. And the amount of vandalism is frustrating, but also not at all surprising since Wikipedia is on this whole "internet" thing, where it's often easier to be destructive than creative.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page.