Humanities desk | ||
---|---|---|
< July 30 | << Jun | July | Aug >> | August 1 > |
Welcome to the Wikipedia Humanities Reference Desk Archives |
---|
The page you are currently viewing is a transcluded archive page. While you can leave answers for any questions shown below, please ask new questions on one of the current reference desk pages. |
Saturday's i says "Ukraine has changed the date on which it celebrates Christmas" and "a bill signed by President Volodymyr Zelensky yesterday will move the official holiday to 25 December." Churches currently follow the Julian calendar, with Christmas slated for 7 January 2024 (which is Julian 25 December 2023) and Easter on 5 May.
The report says the bill has appeared "on the parliament's website," so is it law or does it still require parliamentary approval? Russia adopted the Gregorian calendar on 1/14 February 1918 but recognised Ukraine's independence. At that time there were frequent switches between the Julian and Gregorian calendars depending on where the White Russian armies were in power. Greece adopted the Revised Julian calendar in 1924, after previously having adopted Barnaba Oriani's system in 1923. [1] Russian birth, marriages and deaths registrars (thus connected to the Orthodox church) were still using Julian dates in 1929.
Whichever of the two systems (Revised Julian/Gregorian) Ukraine is using now (the date are indistinguishable) in 1995 all official holidays were secular, with the exception of Christmas on 7 January. From the beginning of the Church's year on 1 September 2023 the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church will adopt the Revised Julian calendar, so Christmas will move back thirteen days (although it will remain on 25 December). The date of Easter is unaffected. But the Catholics are only 10% of the population - the remainder are Orthodox. So is Zelensky asking the majority to work on Christmas Day? An explanatory note to the bill says "The relentless and successful struggle for their identity contributes to...the desire of every Ukrainian to live their own life with their own traditions and holidays." Is this some kind of a fudge, given that 7 January 2024 is a Sunday? 2A00:23D0:5C4:7C01:9131:D514:AC2F:25D5 ( talk) 09:00, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Despite the long tradition of using the Julian calendar by the Orthodox Church, this calendar itself is of secular origin, and the accumulation of differences in it can theoretically lead to the fact that the celebration of the Nativity of Christ and the Epiphany can shift to the time of preparation for Lent and even to the fast itself, which is absurd.
This is the exact opposite of what happens. Since Easter remains calculated by the Julian calendar, only by calculating the Nativity and the Epiphany by the Julian calendar can their proper distance from Lent be preserved. It is only by scheduling these feasts according to the Revised Julian calendar that they can collide with Lent. Then on 24 May the Orthodox Church in Ukraine announced that it is introducing the Revised Julian calendar. There is one saving grace - parishes that don't want it will be able to opt out. That means that the important festival of Kyriopascha, when the Annunciation falls on Easter Sunday, can never happen, because Easter can never fall on 25 March. Also, the Feast of the Apostles begins on the day after the first Sunday after Trinity and ends on 28 June. Well, Whit Sunday can fall on 20 June, in which case the fast begins on 28 June and lasts just 24 hours. And Whit Sunday can fall a lot later than 20 June!
In 1914 Britain went to war with Germany, and Russia was her ally against the Turks. Germany was using the Gregorian Paschalion and Russia was using the Julian Paschalion. So why didn't Britain switch to the Julian Paschalion to show "solidarity"? 85.255.236.123 ( talk) 11:01, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
References
Who is the current patriarch after David Rockefeller Sr. passed away in 2017? I can't seem to find this information anywhere. I would think that his oldest son would be the next family patriarch, yes? Thanks! 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:445F:CB01:8328:DE80 ( talk) 11:02, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Compared to Jesus, Buddha and Muhammad, how it came that none of the founders or co-founders of Judaism (Abraham, Moses, the Patriarchs) has been reliably confirmed to exist historically? List of biblical figures identified in extra-biblical sources mentions relatively minor figures in that regard, such as High Priest of Israel Johanan, and Origins of Judaism doesn't point fingers either. 212.180.235.46 ( talk) 13:50, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Compared to Jesus, Buddha and Muhammad, how it came that none of the founders or co-founders of Judaism (Abraham, Moses, the Patriarchs) has been reliably confirmed to exist historically?
I know that the Duke of Wellington received his title (and maybe lands? it's not clear from the article) in appreciation for his victories in the Napoleonic Wars. I understand that naval officers at that time could also earn prize money for capturing ships. How common was it for other soldiers/officers in the various branches of the land-based military to be rewarded by the crown for oustanding service with a) titles or knighthoods and/or b) significant amounts of money or property? -- EmIsCurious ( talk) 16:59, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Humanities desk | ||
---|---|---|
< July 30 | << Jun | July | Aug >> | August 1 > |
Welcome to the Wikipedia Humanities Reference Desk Archives |
---|
The page you are currently viewing is a transcluded archive page. While you can leave answers for any questions shown below, please ask new questions on one of the current reference desk pages. |
Saturday's i says "Ukraine has changed the date on which it celebrates Christmas" and "a bill signed by President Volodymyr Zelensky yesterday will move the official holiday to 25 December." Churches currently follow the Julian calendar, with Christmas slated for 7 January 2024 (which is Julian 25 December 2023) and Easter on 5 May.
The report says the bill has appeared "on the parliament's website," so is it law or does it still require parliamentary approval? Russia adopted the Gregorian calendar on 1/14 February 1918 but recognised Ukraine's independence. At that time there were frequent switches between the Julian and Gregorian calendars depending on where the White Russian armies were in power. Greece adopted the Revised Julian calendar in 1924, after previously having adopted Barnaba Oriani's system in 1923. [1] Russian birth, marriages and deaths registrars (thus connected to the Orthodox church) were still using Julian dates in 1929.
Whichever of the two systems (Revised Julian/Gregorian) Ukraine is using now (the date are indistinguishable) in 1995 all official holidays were secular, with the exception of Christmas on 7 January. From the beginning of the Church's year on 1 September 2023 the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church will adopt the Revised Julian calendar, so Christmas will move back thirteen days (although it will remain on 25 December). The date of Easter is unaffected. But the Catholics are only 10% of the population - the remainder are Orthodox. So is Zelensky asking the majority to work on Christmas Day? An explanatory note to the bill says "The relentless and successful struggle for their identity contributes to...the desire of every Ukrainian to live their own life with their own traditions and holidays." Is this some kind of a fudge, given that 7 January 2024 is a Sunday? 2A00:23D0:5C4:7C01:9131:D514:AC2F:25D5 ( talk) 09:00, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Despite the long tradition of using the Julian calendar by the Orthodox Church, this calendar itself is of secular origin, and the accumulation of differences in it can theoretically lead to the fact that the celebration of the Nativity of Christ and the Epiphany can shift to the time of preparation for Lent and even to the fast itself, which is absurd.
This is the exact opposite of what happens. Since Easter remains calculated by the Julian calendar, only by calculating the Nativity and the Epiphany by the Julian calendar can their proper distance from Lent be preserved. It is only by scheduling these feasts according to the Revised Julian calendar that they can collide with Lent. Then on 24 May the Orthodox Church in Ukraine announced that it is introducing the Revised Julian calendar. There is one saving grace - parishes that don't want it will be able to opt out. That means that the important festival of Kyriopascha, when the Annunciation falls on Easter Sunday, can never happen, because Easter can never fall on 25 March. Also, the Feast of the Apostles begins on the day after the first Sunday after Trinity and ends on 28 June. Well, Whit Sunday can fall on 20 June, in which case the fast begins on 28 June and lasts just 24 hours. And Whit Sunday can fall a lot later than 20 June!
In 1914 Britain went to war with Germany, and Russia was her ally against the Turks. Germany was using the Gregorian Paschalion and Russia was using the Julian Paschalion. So why didn't Britain switch to the Julian Paschalion to show "solidarity"? 85.255.236.123 ( talk) 11:01, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
References
Who is the current patriarch after David Rockefeller Sr. passed away in 2017? I can't seem to find this information anywhere. I would think that his oldest son would be the next family patriarch, yes? Thanks! 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:445F:CB01:8328:DE80 ( talk) 11:02, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Compared to Jesus, Buddha and Muhammad, how it came that none of the founders or co-founders of Judaism (Abraham, Moses, the Patriarchs) has been reliably confirmed to exist historically? List of biblical figures identified in extra-biblical sources mentions relatively minor figures in that regard, such as High Priest of Israel Johanan, and Origins of Judaism doesn't point fingers either. 212.180.235.46 ( talk) 13:50, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Compared to Jesus, Buddha and Muhammad, how it came that none of the founders or co-founders of Judaism (Abraham, Moses, the Patriarchs) has been reliably confirmed to exist historically?
I know that the Duke of Wellington received his title (and maybe lands? it's not clear from the article) in appreciation for his victories in the Napoleonic Wars. I understand that naval officers at that time could also earn prize money for capturing ships. How common was it for other soldiers/officers in the various branches of the land-based military to be rewarded by the crown for oustanding service with a) titles or knighthoods and/or b) significant amounts of money or property? -- EmIsCurious ( talk) 16:59, 31 July 2023 (UTC)