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In The Book of the Courtier, the author refers to a "messer Cesare" a lot. What does "messer" mean in this case? I don't see it anywhere on Messer, nor on the messer Wiktionary entry. PseudoSkull ( talk) 09:16, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I think that there is an inconsistency in some articles ( Left–right political spectrum, Left-wing politics, Right-wing politics) regarding the origin of the left–right distinction. According to the cited articles, the distinction dates back to the Estates General of 1789, when the "the anti-monarchist Montagnard and Jacobin deputies from the Third Estate generally sat to the left" of the president point o view, and "the nobility, members of the Second Estate, generally sat to the right".
However, according to the French articles about the Parliement of France (see fr:Parlement français, fr:Liste des législatures françaises, fr:États généraux de 1789 etc.), in 1789, the nobility sat on the left, the Third Estate on the center, and the clergy on the right. Thus, the distinction at that time existed only in political terms, with the "left"/Third Estate and the "right"/nobility/clergy, but it did not yet exist in "spatial" terms, that is, of placement of the groups in the French Parliament.
It seems that only after 1791 (see fr:Assemblée nationale législative (Révolution française), with Jacobins- Girondins on the left, and Feuillants on the right, the distinction really emerged in spatial terms.
Later, in 1792 (see fr:Convention nationale), Jacobins- Montagnards became the new left, and Jacobin-Girondins turned to be the new right. Zorahia ( talk) 14:23, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
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In The Book of the Courtier, the author refers to a "messer Cesare" a lot. What does "messer" mean in this case? I don't see it anywhere on Messer, nor on the messer Wiktionary entry. PseudoSkull ( talk) 09:16, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I think that there is an inconsistency in some articles ( Left–right political spectrum, Left-wing politics, Right-wing politics) regarding the origin of the left–right distinction. According to the cited articles, the distinction dates back to the Estates General of 1789, when the "the anti-monarchist Montagnard and Jacobin deputies from the Third Estate generally sat to the left" of the president point o view, and "the nobility, members of the Second Estate, generally sat to the right".
However, according to the French articles about the Parliement of France (see fr:Parlement français, fr:Liste des législatures françaises, fr:États généraux de 1789 etc.), in 1789, the nobility sat on the left, the Third Estate on the center, and the clergy on the right. Thus, the distinction at that time existed only in political terms, with the "left"/Third Estate and the "right"/nobility/clergy, but it did not yet exist in "spatial" terms, that is, of placement of the groups in the French Parliament.
It seems that only after 1791 (see fr:Assemblée nationale législative (Révolution française), with Jacobins- Girondins on the left, and Feuillants on the right, the distinction really emerged in spatial terms.
Later, in 1792 (see fr:Convention nationale), Jacobins- Montagnards became the new left, and Jacobin-Girondins turned to be the new right. Zorahia ( talk) 14:23, 4 December 2017 (UTC)