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what type of bed and mattress were used in bronze age India (e.g. the Buddhas time)
Thank you!!
I've been looking at our articles on States and Stateless societys. While both articles seem to imply that all societies are one or the other, the actual definitions used seem to leave a large gap for various historic societies that fit neither definition:
This seems to me to leave a bit of a gap in definitions: there are a lot of pre-modern societies that had more division of labour, government, etc than the sort of societies described in Stateless society, but which don't meet Weber's definition of a (contempory) state. Of course, as pointed out previously, Weber says his definition didn't apply to past states, but that makes it pretty useless for distinguishing between stateless and "old" state societies. Given that, a) what level of organisation, government, taxation/tribute collection, etc are mark the transition between non-state and state socity, and b) do the respective articles need improving to exlain this? (I'm thinking particularly of the " Types of state" section, which currently only talks about sovereign vs. (con)federated states, but should probably talk also talk about various historic state types, eg. feudal, imperial, city states, etc). Iapetus ( talk) 15:22, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
-- Paulscrawl ( talk) 17:06, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Indian politician Shashi Tharoor claims in this "viewpoint" piece that "the British" cut off the thumbs of Bengali weavers because they were competing with British industrial textiles: Britain's response was to cut off the thumbs of Bengali weavers, break their looms and impose duties and tariffs on Indian cloth, while flooding India and the world with cheaper fabric from the new satanic steam mills of Britain. You can see that same fellow make the same claim at the Oxford Union here or here (that's 1 minute 58 seconds into the video if no time offset format works for you) only here he claims that "Britain" "smashed" their thumbs and did not cut them. On the other hand WP article Mahua Dabar states: By local legend the town was partly settled by Bengali textile workers fleeing British persecution in the 1830s. According to this legend, the East India Company had mutilated the skilled workers by chopping off their thumbs, making them unable to work. However, there is no historical evidence for this event, and most academic historians believe it to be a myth that arose, either by adaptation from the story of Ekalavya in the Mahābhārata, or from a mistaken quotation from a contemporary British source reporting possible self-mutilation by Bengali workers to break their indenture. The WP article is only about one town. How about Bengal in general? This source, this source and this source seem to imply this is just a myth. On the other hand this source, this source and this source mention otherwise unspecified "archives at the National Library in Kolkata" that confirm the story is true. On the face of it, the story seems nonsensical especially the way that Indian politician presents it. After all if you can produce cheaper textiles you do not need to maim anyone. The traditional weavers will just go out of business. But then we know how evil and cruel "the British" were, so maybe, who knows, they just liked to cut off thumbs for the hell of it. What is the deal? Are there any reliable sources for that story or not? How about those "archives at the National Library in Kolkata"? Contact Basemetal here 17:58, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm dealing with a problem article at Gurcharan Singh Bhikhi (Sidki). The article was created by a grandchild of the subject, a Punjabi poet, so there is a bit of a COI issue here. The entirety of the article is unsourced and I'm having trouble finding references that establish the subject's notability and previous attempts to ask WikiProject Sikhism (which I believe is a dead Wikiproject) have not been successful. If anyone can dig up anything of note, that would be sweet. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 20:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Why do consumers in Japan seem to prefer physical media whether it's books, CDs, blu Rays etc over electronic media such as e books, VOD/music streaming etc? There also seem to be other phenomena which is different to western consumer culture such as the widespread use of fax to this day and also the lack of use of social media by the average consumer. 90.201.189.237 ( talk) 20:57, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
When I don’t feel well, I’ll stare at a page for ever before realizing I haven’t absorbed a word. When that happens, I try to understand why. What’s gotten in my way? On the other hand there are books I can take in effortlessly, no matter how awful I’m feeling. Why do those books draw me in? I think it may be a sort of mental tuning. It’s the feeling of the paper against my fingers, that familiar smell of pulp and glue, a momentary stimulation to my brain when I turn each page. These sensations regulate and focus my brain, they make it work better.” Void burn ( talk) 01:19, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Fast forward to the demise of Queen Elizabeth II and the accession of her son Charles (whatever regnal name he may take).
He has 2 step-children. When was the last time a British monarch had a step-child? I suspect we'd need to go back more than 250 years. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
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what type of bed and mattress were used in bronze age India (e.g. the Buddhas time)
Thank you!!
I've been looking at our articles on States and Stateless societys. While both articles seem to imply that all societies are one or the other, the actual definitions used seem to leave a large gap for various historic societies that fit neither definition:
This seems to me to leave a bit of a gap in definitions: there are a lot of pre-modern societies that had more division of labour, government, etc than the sort of societies described in Stateless society, but which don't meet Weber's definition of a (contempory) state. Of course, as pointed out previously, Weber says his definition didn't apply to past states, but that makes it pretty useless for distinguishing between stateless and "old" state societies. Given that, a) what level of organisation, government, taxation/tribute collection, etc are mark the transition between non-state and state socity, and b) do the respective articles need improving to exlain this? (I'm thinking particularly of the " Types of state" section, which currently only talks about sovereign vs. (con)federated states, but should probably talk also talk about various historic state types, eg. feudal, imperial, city states, etc). Iapetus ( talk) 15:22, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
-- Paulscrawl ( talk) 17:06, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Indian politician Shashi Tharoor claims in this "viewpoint" piece that "the British" cut off the thumbs of Bengali weavers because they were competing with British industrial textiles: Britain's response was to cut off the thumbs of Bengali weavers, break their looms and impose duties and tariffs on Indian cloth, while flooding India and the world with cheaper fabric from the new satanic steam mills of Britain. You can see that same fellow make the same claim at the Oxford Union here or here (that's 1 minute 58 seconds into the video if no time offset format works for you) only here he claims that "Britain" "smashed" their thumbs and did not cut them. On the other hand WP article Mahua Dabar states: By local legend the town was partly settled by Bengali textile workers fleeing British persecution in the 1830s. According to this legend, the East India Company had mutilated the skilled workers by chopping off their thumbs, making them unable to work. However, there is no historical evidence for this event, and most academic historians believe it to be a myth that arose, either by adaptation from the story of Ekalavya in the Mahābhārata, or from a mistaken quotation from a contemporary British source reporting possible self-mutilation by Bengali workers to break their indenture. The WP article is only about one town. How about Bengal in general? This source, this source and this source seem to imply this is just a myth. On the other hand this source, this source and this source mention otherwise unspecified "archives at the National Library in Kolkata" that confirm the story is true. On the face of it, the story seems nonsensical especially the way that Indian politician presents it. After all if you can produce cheaper textiles you do not need to maim anyone. The traditional weavers will just go out of business. But then we know how evil and cruel "the British" were, so maybe, who knows, they just liked to cut off thumbs for the hell of it. What is the deal? Are there any reliable sources for that story or not? How about those "archives at the National Library in Kolkata"? Contact Basemetal here 17:58, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm dealing with a problem article at Gurcharan Singh Bhikhi (Sidki). The article was created by a grandchild of the subject, a Punjabi poet, so there is a bit of a COI issue here. The entirety of the article is unsourced and I'm having trouble finding references that establish the subject's notability and previous attempts to ask WikiProject Sikhism (which I believe is a dead Wikiproject) have not been successful. If anyone can dig up anything of note, that would be sweet. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 20:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Why do consumers in Japan seem to prefer physical media whether it's books, CDs, blu Rays etc over electronic media such as e books, VOD/music streaming etc? There also seem to be other phenomena which is different to western consumer culture such as the widespread use of fax to this day and also the lack of use of social media by the average consumer. 90.201.189.237 ( talk) 20:57, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
When I don’t feel well, I’ll stare at a page for ever before realizing I haven’t absorbed a word. When that happens, I try to understand why. What’s gotten in my way? On the other hand there are books I can take in effortlessly, no matter how awful I’m feeling. Why do those books draw me in? I think it may be a sort of mental tuning. It’s the feeling of the paper against my fingers, that familiar smell of pulp and glue, a momentary stimulation to my brain when I turn each page. These sensations regulate and focus my brain, they make it work better.” Void burn ( talk) 01:19, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Fast forward to the demise of Queen Elizabeth II and the accession of her son Charles (whatever regnal name he may take).
He has 2 step-children. When was the last time a British monarch had a step-child? I suspect we'd need to go back more than 250 years. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)