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Why do some churches allow everyone to participate in communion? What is the purpose of allowing everyone? Isn't it supposed to be a Christian activity? Why do churches typically use dark wine rather than white/clear wine? Why does the Roman Catholic church use flat wafers instead of bread-looking bread? Sneazy ( talk) 14:20, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
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Plasmic Physics, would you like for people to tell you that the Seventh Day Adventist Church was founded as a neopagan experiment, using sources that no scholar of religion in the past century finds reliable? If "Do unto others..." wasn't enough, there's the simple fact that you're citing WP:FRINGE material as if they were facts that anyone knows, when in fact, most scholars know that fringe material is false. Set(h) was never worshiped along Horus, they were enemies; so the IHS claim is obvious bullocks to anyone who knows the least bit about Egyptian mythology beyond names (the Serapis backtrack ignores that the temple of Serapeum in Alexandria was destroyed by Catholics, while Serapis was still popular and Christianity wasn't). There is the more immediate and obvious origin of communion in the Jewish Passover feast. The last supper occurred around Passover, Jesus said "this is my body," making transubstantiation a pretty face value interpretation; and with no evidence of a direct pagan parallel, one must assume that is the origin of it. Passover supper and many traditional communion features wine and unlevened bread being consumed in relation to (different kinds of) salvation as a result of (different kinds of) Lamb's blood being shed; it requires additional unevidenced leaps and assumptions to try and connect the wafer to hypothetical (i.e. unevidenced) pagan rites. Occam's razor slits the throat of pagan origins. There's plenty of Catholic records where they get into fights with Gnostics, Manichaeans, Hermeticists, and other folks who tried to combine Pagan and Christian thought, so how would their own priests manage to incorporate outright pagan symbolism? Heck, they didn't even like it when people tried to incorporate Judaism (the most closely related religion), or even used slightly different language to express the same idea (which is why the Assyrian Church, the Eastern Orthodox Churches, and the Catholic Church are not in communion). The truth is, you're simply repeating stuff that some atheists and neopagans made up in the 1800s to attack Christianity, that some Protestants repurposed to act against Christ's command in Mark 9:41. And that you seem to think the conspiracy theories you're spouting are anywhere near academic is insulting to those of us who study real history. Ian.thomson ( talk) 03:04, 21 June 2013 (UTC) |
"Heaven keeps the faithful departed."
What do you think it means? Does it stem from the Bible?
46.107.26.54 ( talk) 15:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I had an entirely different idea about it. It's so different it's silly. I thought it means that the faithful are relatively few compared to the number of unbelievers and God puts them in places in the population where they are most needed as beacons of light for the lost, but unfortunately for them they are surrounded by darkness. 46.107.26.54 ( talk) 16:15, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
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Why do some churches allow everyone to participate in communion? What is the purpose of allowing everyone? Isn't it supposed to be a Christian activity? Why do churches typically use dark wine rather than white/clear wine? Why does the Roman Catholic church use flat wafers instead of bread-looking bread? Sneazy ( talk) 14:20, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
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Plasmic Physics, would you like for people to tell you that the Seventh Day Adventist Church was founded as a neopagan experiment, using sources that no scholar of religion in the past century finds reliable? If "Do unto others..." wasn't enough, there's the simple fact that you're citing WP:FRINGE material as if they were facts that anyone knows, when in fact, most scholars know that fringe material is false. Set(h) was never worshiped along Horus, they were enemies; so the IHS claim is obvious bullocks to anyone who knows the least bit about Egyptian mythology beyond names (the Serapis backtrack ignores that the temple of Serapeum in Alexandria was destroyed by Catholics, while Serapis was still popular and Christianity wasn't). There is the more immediate and obvious origin of communion in the Jewish Passover feast. The last supper occurred around Passover, Jesus said "this is my body," making transubstantiation a pretty face value interpretation; and with no evidence of a direct pagan parallel, one must assume that is the origin of it. Passover supper and many traditional communion features wine and unlevened bread being consumed in relation to (different kinds of) salvation as a result of (different kinds of) Lamb's blood being shed; it requires additional unevidenced leaps and assumptions to try and connect the wafer to hypothetical (i.e. unevidenced) pagan rites. Occam's razor slits the throat of pagan origins. There's plenty of Catholic records where they get into fights with Gnostics, Manichaeans, Hermeticists, and other folks who tried to combine Pagan and Christian thought, so how would their own priests manage to incorporate outright pagan symbolism? Heck, they didn't even like it when people tried to incorporate Judaism (the most closely related religion), or even used slightly different language to express the same idea (which is why the Assyrian Church, the Eastern Orthodox Churches, and the Catholic Church are not in communion). The truth is, you're simply repeating stuff that some atheists and neopagans made up in the 1800s to attack Christianity, that some Protestants repurposed to act against Christ's command in Mark 9:41. And that you seem to think the conspiracy theories you're spouting are anywhere near academic is insulting to those of us who study real history. Ian.thomson ( talk) 03:04, 21 June 2013 (UTC) |
"Heaven keeps the faithful departed."
What do you think it means? Does it stem from the Bible?
46.107.26.54 ( talk) 15:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I had an entirely different idea about it. It's so different it's silly. I thought it means that the faithful are relatively few compared to the number of unbelievers and God puts them in places in the population where they are most needed as beacons of light for the lost, but unfortunately for them they are surrounded by darkness. 46.107.26.54 ( talk) 16:15, 20 June 2013 (UTC)