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I know this is a really well-known song, but I can't remember it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGx6aAUBXXY&t=2340 Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.193.116 ( talk) 01:09, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- " Kernkraft 400" --- Sluzzelin talk 01:51, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Knowing virtually nothing of professional wrestling, I'm wondering: how precisely are matches choreographed? Are they more like a ballet, in which the dancers' precise actions are designed beforehand and the most faithful compliance with difficult directions is what distinguishes the best participants, or are they more like a stage play, in which the basic elements of the plot are designed beforehand and the best participants are those who implement the concepts in a believable fashion? I always assumed that it was like a ballet, but to my surprise I saw the following in Tag team: WWE employs this tactic in nearly every tag team match to the point that they fired a referee in 2008 after a botched finish that, while the match produced the intended finish, didn't feature a hot tag. Related issue: I see the picture File:Jeff-Hardy-Dropkick,-RLA-Melb-10.11.2007 filtered.jpg — assuming no mistakes by the participants, can we say that the match was pre-written so that the precise body movements here were intended? If the kicking wrestler's right arm were at his side (not in the air), or if the referee were kneeling with his right knee up, would we have to conclude that someone made a mistake or that it was written differently (ballet), or could we say that the participants were just interpreting their directions differently (stage play)? Nyttend ( talk) 11:47, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- My understanding (not a
WP:RS) is that it varies greatly. The non-competitive matches, where a "jobber" faces an actual known wrestler, are only planned out in broad terms. A few intricate or dangerous moves would be more precisely choreographed, but it's not planned out with the fidelity of a ballet or something. When you think about it practically, that only makes sense: these guys have insane work schedules; there's no time to have the entire thing always planned out in detail
without it looking terrible. The big name matches in the PPV events, on the other hand, are more precisely choreographed. One, they're less often and two, they're more important to have done correctly.
Matt Deres (
talk) 20:36, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think you may underestimate how precisely actors are directed.
Rmhermen (
talk) 05:48, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think you may have seen me use the word actor when I didn't.
Matt Deres (
talk) 15:01, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure he's noting that the OP used a well-recognized synonym of actor. --
Jayron
32 02:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- They're putting on a show, but that doesn't automatically imply that they're trained as actors. Or that they could follow intricate stage directions as an actor could.
- Which brings us back around to the question.
- (For example : At the Circus, The woman who gets shot out of a cannon is putting on a pre-scripted show, but it'd be a stretch to call her an "actor".)
ApLundell (
talk) 07:31, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- For clarity are you commenting on actors in stage plays? This whole subdiscussion is a little confusing. I think Jayron32 is saying that Rmhermen wasn't commenting on anything Matt Deres said despite indenting their comment towards them but was commenting on this point in the original post "
or are they more like a stage play, in which the basic elements of the plot are designed beforehand and the best participants are those who implement the concepts in a believable fashion
". I don't know if "participants" is really a well-recognised synonym for actors, but in the context I would agree that the participants of stage plays would generally be identified as actors, even amateur ones in a community theatre or school play. (I'm not even sure whether "participants in a stage play", which wasn't the phrasing used, could really be called a well-recognised synonym although the meaning is likely to be well understood/recognised.) And regardless of whether it was what Rmhermen intention, I actually agree that it is a relevant point, it does sound like Nyttend may be underestimating the level of direction actors in stage plays frequently receive. Nil Einne ( talk) 12:00, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
- For clarity are you commenting on actors in stage plays? This whole subdiscussion is a little confusing. I think Jayron32 is saying that Rmhermen wasn't commenting on anything Matt Deres said despite indenting their comment towards them but was commenting on this point in the original post "
- I'm pretty sure he's noting that the OP used a well-recognized synonym of actor. --
Jayron
32 02:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- I think you may have seen me use the word actor when I didn't.
Matt Deres (
talk) 15:01, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think you may underestimate how precisely actors are directed.
Rmhermen (
talk) 05:48, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi! When I was a really little girl, like maybe early 80s around 83 or 84, there was this science fiction show on TV about some type of investigator who was looking into some kind of mystery at a research or habitation complex. All I remember is that one point the people were starting to have webbed fingers. There was also this scene in which he tried to get help from the local detective. The scene was that the man went into the office and said, "Where's the chief of detectives?" "You're looking at him"..."Where's the Chief of Police"..."You're looking at him". Does anyone know what show this was?? - KTcup82 ( talk) 23:17, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- Perhaps one of the
Man from Atlantis shows?
Matt Deres (
talk) 01:55, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- That wasn't it :-( -
KTcup82 (
talk) 05:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Are you sure? There were multiple movies, plus the TV show and the timing seems ideal. I found it by searching for sci fi webbed fingers and that show - and Waterworld which is much too late - were the top results. You could always try digging through the lower results to see if something jogs your memory. Matt Deres ( talk) 15:04, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- That wasn't it :-( -
KTcup82 (
talk) 05:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
"people were starting to have webbed fingers"
You mean Syndactyly, where "two or more digits are fused together"? Dimadick ( talk) 09:22, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- I never saw The Man from Atlantis (suggested above), but I remember this movie. I also remember one character trying to hide his webbed fingers. It was shown that he had scars between his fingers where he cut the webbing out. It was an "Oh! He's one of THEM!" moment.
209.149.113.5 (
talk) 09:51, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- The thing I really remember the most was when he went and saw the police chief. The guy goes through the list of every police position, and the chief is leaning back in a chair saying "You're looking at him" with a smile. There was also a scene where they were by an energy fence and they had to shut it down. - KTcup82 ( talk) 03:54, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Sounds like it's probably V (1983 miniseries) or one of the other related programs in the V (franchise).-- William Thweatt Talk Contribs 02:07, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
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April 28 Information
I know this is a really well-known song, but I can't remember it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGx6aAUBXXY&t=2340 Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.193.116 ( talk) 01:09, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- " Kernkraft 400" --- Sluzzelin talk 01:51, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Knowing virtually nothing of professional wrestling, I'm wondering: how precisely are matches choreographed? Are they more like a ballet, in which the dancers' precise actions are designed beforehand and the most faithful compliance with difficult directions is what distinguishes the best participants, or are they more like a stage play, in which the basic elements of the plot are designed beforehand and the best participants are those who implement the concepts in a believable fashion? I always assumed that it was like a ballet, but to my surprise I saw the following in Tag team: WWE employs this tactic in nearly every tag team match to the point that they fired a referee in 2008 after a botched finish that, while the match produced the intended finish, didn't feature a hot tag. Related issue: I see the picture File:Jeff-Hardy-Dropkick,-RLA-Melb-10.11.2007 filtered.jpg — assuming no mistakes by the participants, can we say that the match was pre-written so that the precise body movements here were intended? If the kicking wrestler's right arm were at his side (not in the air), or if the referee were kneeling with his right knee up, would we have to conclude that someone made a mistake or that it was written differently (ballet), or could we say that the participants were just interpreting their directions differently (stage play)? Nyttend ( talk) 11:47, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- My understanding (not a
WP:RS) is that it varies greatly. The non-competitive matches, where a "jobber" faces an actual known wrestler, are only planned out in broad terms. A few intricate or dangerous moves would be more precisely choreographed, but it's not planned out with the fidelity of a ballet or something. When you think about it practically, that only makes sense: these guys have insane work schedules; there's no time to have the entire thing always planned out in detail
without it looking terrible. The big name matches in the PPV events, on the other hand, are more precisely choreographed. One, they're less often and two, they're more important to have done correctly.
Matt Deres (
talk) 20:36, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think you may underestimate how precisely actors are directed.
Rmhermen (
talk) 05:48, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think you may have seen me use the word actor when I didn't.
Matt Deres (
talk) 15:01, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure he's noting that the OP used a well-recognized synonym of actor. --
Jayron
32 02:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- They're putting on a show, but that doesn't automatically imply that they're trained as actors. Or that they could follow intricate stage directions as an actor could.
- Which brings us back around to the question.
- (For example : At the Circus, The woman who gets shot out of a cannon is putting on a pre-scripted show, but it'd be a stretch to call her an "actor".)
ApLundell (
talk) 07:31, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- For clarity are you commenting on actors in stage plays? This whole subdiscussion is a little confusing. I think Jayron32 is saying that Rmhermen wasn't commenting on anything Matt Deres said despite indenting their comment towards them but was commenting on this point in the original post "
or are they more like a stage play, in which the basic elements of the plot are designed beforehand and the best participants are those who implement the concepts in a believable fashion
". I don't know if "participants" is really a well-recognised synonym for actors, but in the context I would agree that the participants of stage plays would generally be identified as actors, even amateur ones in a community theatre or school play. (I'm not even sure whether "participants in a stage play", which wasn't the phrasing used, could really be called a well-recognised synonym although the meaning is likely to be well understood/recognised.) And regardless of whether it was what Rmhermen intention, I actually agree that it is a relevant point, it does sound like Nyttend may be underestimating the level of direction actors in stage plays frequently receive. Nil Einne ( talk) 12:00, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
- For clarity are you commenting on actors in stage plays? This whole subdiscussion is a little confusing. I think Jayron32 is saying that Rmhermen wasn't commenting on anything Matt Deres said despite indenting their comment towards them but was commenting on this point in the original post "
- I'm pretty sure he's noting that the OP used a well-recognized synonym of actor. --
Jayron
32 02:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- I think you may have seen me use the word actor when I didn't.
Matt Deres (
talk) 15:01, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think you may underestimate how precisely actors are directed.
Rmhermen (
talk) 05:48, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi! When I was a really little girl, like maybe early 80s around 83 or 84, there was this science fiction show on TV about some type of investigator who was looking into some kind of mystery at a research or habitation complex. All I remember is that one point the people were starting to have webbed fingers. There was also this scene in which he tried to get help from the local detective. The scene was that the man went into the office and said, "Where's the chief of detectives?" "You're looking at him"..."Where's the Chief of Police"..."You're looking at him". Does anyone know what show this was?? - KTcup82 ( talk) 23:17, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- Perhaps one of the
Man from Atlantis shows?
Matt Deres (
talk) 01:55, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- That wasn't it :-( -
KTcup82 (
talk) 05:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Are you sure? There were multiple movies, plus the TV show and the timing seems ideal. I found it by searching for sci fi webbed fingers and that show - and Waterworld which is much too late - were the top results. You could always try digging through the lower results to see if something jogs your memory. Matt Deres ( talk) 15:04, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- That wasn't it :-( -
KTcup82 (
talk) 05:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
"people were starting to have webbed fingers"
You mean Syndactyly, where "two or more digits are fused together"? Dimadick ( talk) 09:22, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- I never saw The Man from Atlantis (suggested above), but I remember this movie. I also remember one character trying to hide his webbed fingers. It was shown that he had scars between his fingers where he cut the webbing out. It was an "Oh! He's one of THEM!" moment.
209.149.113.5 (
talk) 09:51, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- The thing I really remember the most was when he went and saw the police chief. The guy goes through the list of every police position, and the chief is leaning back in a chair saying "You're looking at him" with a smile. There was also a scene where they were by an energy fence and they had to shut it down. - KTcup82 ( talk) 03:54, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Sounds like it's probably V (1983 miniseries) or one of the other related programs in the V (franchise).-- William Thweatt Talk Contribs 02:07, 4 May 2018 (UTC)