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There are many sports in which violence is not condoned as such, but it's "relatively condoned", if I may use such an expression. The sport may contain sanctions against the use of unseemly force or fighting etc. These could include being sent to the sin bin for a period of time; or being suspended for the rest of the game; or even being suspended for more than one game; or even in extreme cases being suspended for the rest of the season. These are essentially minor irritations. The offender is still able to go about his or her daily business away from the sporting arena. But engage in exactly the same behaviour in an office, or in almost any other situation, and it's a police matter, there could be charges, there could be a court case, and there could be a fine and/or a prison term. None of these ever apply on the sports field; that's what I mean by "relatively condoned". --
Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 19:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)reply
There have been attempts, at least, to bring the law into it with some of the more severe muggings that have occurred in the NHL. Although the penalties for fighting are much lighter in general - 5 minutes in the penalty box, vs. ejection in other sports. Being an Aussie, you may not have heard this old joke: "I went to a fight, and a hockey game broke out." ←
Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→
19:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Heh. No, but I can relate to it. The absurd, childish, irresponsible rough-house antics that many football players engage in here, are almost part of how the game is played. It seems to be particularly a problem with
AFL, less so with rugby or soccer. But I'm not an authoritative source when it comes to football of any kind, so don't quote me. --
Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 20:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC)reply
The problem is that fighting is NHL culture. Not ice hockey culture. 70% of the hockey fans, managers, players, and owners want the fighting. Is this existent in university hockey? NHL is the modern gladiator fighting.
174.3.113.245 (
talk)
02:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)reply
The justification (not my explanation, nor do I necessarily agree) for fighting in the NHL is that fists do less damage than sticks. In other words, the players would do more of
this if they didn't get to "vent" their aggression by fighting. Again, not that I agree with this myself, but it is frequently the response when asked "why not just outlaw it altogether". --
Jayron3205:02, 1 April 2010 (UTC)reply
High sticking as in "incidental contact with the stick blade above the waist" is a 2-minute minor. High sticking as in "Holding the stick luck a cudgel and swinging it at a guys head" is an assault charge, 18 months criminal probation, and a 1-year suspension from the NHL, according to the
Marty McSorley article. --
Jayron3205:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)reply
Hmm, true, and Marauders apparently don't have whammy bars. Maybe it's some sort of modification...the body certainly looks Gibson-shaped.
Adam Bishop (
talk)
14:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)reply
It certainly looks like a
Paul Reed Smith like
this one (but a different tremelo) - the bevelled top, the head, and the inlays all resemble a PRS. But the photo isn't detailed enough to resolve the inlays properly, and the angle makes seeing the shape of the head difficult. I can't find any reliable source for Cavanagh playing or endorsing a PRS, or any other guitar for that matter. The Anathema article links to a fan-forum for them; someone there is sure to know. --
Finlay McWalter •
Talk23:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)reply
I'll second that as a PRS. PRS makes high-end Les Paul knockoffs (well, knockoff in the sense of the same basic shape. They're well respected guitars, and quite expensive too!). They are also known for making custom models for high-profile players. The headstock looks like a standard PRS headstock, so even if this is not a true production model PRS, it is a PRS. --
Jayron3204:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)reply
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There are many sports in which violence is not condoned as such, but it's "relatively condoned", if I may use such an expression. The sport may contain sanctions against the use of unseemly force or fighting etc. These could include being sent to the sin bin for a period of time; or being suspended for the rest of the game; or even being suspended for more than one game; or even in extreme cases being suspended for the rest of the season. These are essentially minor irritations. The offender is still able to go about his or her daily business away from the sporting arena. But engage in exactly the same behaviour in an office, or in almost any other situation, and it's a police matter, there could be charges, there could be a court case, and there could be a fine and/or a prison term. None of these ever apply on the sports field; that's what I mean by "relatively condoned". --
Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 19:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)reply
There have been attempts, at least, to bring the law into it with some of the more severe muggings that have occurred in the NHL. Although the penalties for fighting are much lighter in general - 5 minutes in the penalty box, vs. ejection in other sports. Being an Aussie, you may not have heard this old joke: "I went to a fight, and a hockey game broke out." ←
Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→
19:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Heh. No, but I can relate to it. The absurd, childish, irresponsible rough-house antics that many football players engage in here, are almost part of how the game is played. It seems to be particularly a problem with
AFL, less so with rugby or soccer. But I'm not an authoritative source when it comes to football of any kind, so don't quote me. --
Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 20:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC)reply
The problem is that fighting is NHL culture. Not ice hockey culture. 70% of the hockey fans, managers, players, and owners want the fighting. Is this existent in university hockey? NHL is the modern gladiator fighting.
174.3.113.245 (
talk)
02:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)reply
The justification (not my explanation, nor do I necessarily agree) for fighting in the NHL is that fists do less damage than sticks. In other words, the players would do more of
this if they didn't get to "vent" their aggression by fighting. Again, not that I agree with this myself, but it is frequently the response when asked "why not just outlaw it altogether". --
Jayron3205:02, 1 April 2010 (UTC)reply
High sticking as in "incidental contact with the stick blade above the waist" is a 2-minute minor. High sticking as in "Holding the stick luck a cudgel and swinging it at a guys head" is an assault charge, 18 months criminal probation, and a 1-year suspension from the NHL, according to the
Marty McSorley article. --
Jayron3205:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)reply
Hmm, true, and Marauders apparently don't have whammy bars. Maybe it's some sort of modification...the body certainly looks Gibson-shaped.
Adam Bishop (
talk)
14:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)reply
It certainly looks like a
Paul Reed Smith like
this one (but a different tremelo) - the bevelled top, the head, and the inlays all resemble a PRS. But the photo isn't detailed enough to resolve the inlays properly, and the angle makes seeing the shape of the head difficult. I can't find any reliable source for Cavanagh playing or endorsing a PRS, or any other guitar for that matter. The Anathema article links to a fan-forum for them; someone there is sure to know. --
Finlay McWalter •
Talk23:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)reply
I'll second that as a PRS. PRS makes high-end Les Paul knockoffs (well, knockoff in the sense of the same basic shape. They're well respected guitars, and quite expensive too!). They are also known for making custom models for high-profile players. The headstock looks like a standard PRS headstock, so even if this is not a true production model PRS, it is a PRS. --
Jayron3204:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)reply