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Ethnic cleansing in Chechnya
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This redirect is the result of attempts to make an article heavily biased toward the Russian state POV more neutral. The article was moved to
Anti-Russian violence in Chechnya (1991–1994) and in hindsight it was a mistake to leave behind the redirect, as it continues to perpetrate the narrative that only Russians have only ever been the victims of ethnic cleansing in Chechnya (the article was later turned into a redirect to the current target, and the redirect at issue was de-doubled by a bot). While there are several possible examples of ethnically motivated violence (the region has experienced a lot of wars), the state of the constant POV pushing on this topic means that as far as I can tell there are currently no articles on Wikipedia that document more than one at a time. I think that the redirect should be a red link until someone is brave enough to write a neutral article on this topic. signed, Rosguilltalk01:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)reply
If we could get a subject matter expert, maybe, but the best I could do personally would just be to redirect to
Chechen War, which lists every conflict that occurred in Chechnya and/or involved Chechens. That feels too broad, and not better than deletion IMO. signed, Rosguilltalk00:06, 16 June 2020 (UTC)reply
3E1I5S8B9RF7, the problem with that solution is that it ignores the existence of the Russian narrative; Google Scholar search results are about 50/50 for articles about the Soviet deportations and the Chechen Wars of the 90s. signed, Rosguilltalk19:10, 22 June 2020 (UTC)reply
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Indusface Pvt
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Pretty sure similar precedents mostly went the delete way, but consensus can change, so I'm relisting this.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Deryck C.23:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Striking my previous !vote. I've changed my mind and I guess the best solution is to delete this; there is no mention of this company anywhere and a retarget does seem pointless.
CycloneYoristalk!01:13, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Universal problem
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Not mentioned at the target, Scholar search results don't suggest that this phrase is primarily associated with universal properties. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk23:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. The answer is
42, but no-one knows what the question is now that the Earth has been destroyed to make way for a hyperspace bypass.
Less flippantly, this is hopelessly ambiguous. It could refer to several of the problems in
Hilbert's program; but is not restricted to mathematics, and could refer to almost anything; including the very different theological and spiritual questions of the
problem of evil and
why are we here. Impossible to disambiguate, impossibly disparate for a
WP:BCA.
Narky Blert (
talk)
21:30, 5 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Keep Unless you have some example of something else that would be "MOS:SMALL". Note that e.g.
WP:V could mean lots of things as well. Please don't remove it while it's under discussion. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯20:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
MOS:IMAGESIZE and there is no MOS for tables but that doesn't subtract from the fact it's still potentionally confusing, Also please stop pinging me I've asked you repeatedly to stop ... so stop. –
Davey2010Talk00:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep we should always be very conservative when dealing with shortcut redirects as the potential disruption caused to old discussions (where references are not always linked) is massive. This is a relatively new redirect but it already has several incoming links and I see no benefit to deletion, especially as Koavf points out being ambiguous or potentially ambiguous is not a reason to delete a shortcut redirect. Your argument that other redirects exist to the current target is a
WP:OTHERSTUFF argument and is even less of an argument to delete a shortcut redirect than it is to keep one. If you want this redirect deleted you need to show that the benefits from deletion of this redirect will outweigh the harm caused by deleting this redirect, but so far you've not demonstrated any that deletion will have any benefits or that keeping it will be at all harmful.
Thryduulf (
talk)
22:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
A reason for deletion has been presented - Like I said "SMALL" can mean absolutely anything whereas SMALLTEXT, SMALLCAPS and SMALLFONT state the obvious, What does this redirect do that those above don't ? ... Nothing other than potentionally confusing people, –
Davey2010Talk23:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
No, that's a reason why you don't like it, it isn't a valid reason to delete a shortcut redirect. That other shortcuts exist is irrelevant, that the shortcut is potentially confusing is irrelevant. If you don't know what a shortcut represents you follow the link (or look at in preview), so ambiguity isn't a problem.
Thryduulf (
talk)
00:09, 4 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Gael itself is a redirect to
Gaels.
Goidel redirected to
Gaels for nine years without interruption until a very persistent anon kept redirecting it to
Goídelc, itself a redirect to
Old Irish. The anon was reverted six times between December 2019 and February 2020, at which point a bot fixed the double redirect, pointing it to
Old Irish before the anon could be reverted. I say speedy restore the original redirect to
Gael and protect the page. —
Mahāgaja ·
talk22:07, 4 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Miscapitalization of Fibonacci. Non-useful disambiguation of Binet's formula that has the same intended target (the present target of the redirect to be deleted is not the section where the topic is described)
D.Lazard (
talk)
10:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Refine to
Fibonacci number#Binet's formula (which is currently an alias for the
Fibonacci number#Closed-form expression but will persist if the section is renamed or discussion of Binet's formula is moved elsewhere in the article). The miscapitalisation is completely plausible and the section deals with exactly what someone using this search term will be looking for. That another redirect exists to the same target is irrelevant.
Thryduulf (
talk)
10:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete, not refine. Refining does not solve the two main issues, that are the miscapitalization and the non-useful disambiguation. Also the title is not a correct term; if the disambiguation would be needed, the title should be
Binet's formula on Fibonacci numbers.
D.Lazard (
talk)
10:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
@
D.Lazard: note I've unbolded your comment above as your opinion has already been made clear in your nomination. The miscapitalisation is completely trivial - many methods of finding Wikipedia content are case sensitive (excluding the first letter) and it is entirely plausible for someone to use all lowercase.
Binet's formula on Fibonacci numbers might be a better title, but we're not dealing with titles here we are dealing with search terms and "Binet's fibonacci number formula" is an entirely plausible one.
Thryduulf (
talk)
11:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I've rebolded the comment because it helps to clarify that the nominator is opposed to refining. It's inappropriate for you to take clerking action in a situation in which you are involved, given the fact that you are so actively opposed to the action the nominator wishes to make. --
Tavix(
talk)14:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm not going to revert you, but it is a principle longer standing than I've been at RfD (which is well over a decade) that the nominator does not get to make a second bolded recommendation when their nomination statement is clear. Clarifying that they stand by that statement is fine, but they do that without bolding. It's perfectly normal for someone involved in the discussion to remove bolding and/or strike (whichever is most appropriate in the given situation) whether involved or not provided they are clear about it. In this instance their nomination statement makes it clear they think it should be deleted so any second comment advocating that course of action should not include a bold to avoid double voting.
Thryduulf (
talk)
16:46, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
There is no "second" bolded recommendation; there is only one. The nomination statement did not give any bolded action. --
Tavix(
talk)16:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
It may not have bolded any words but it is unambiguously a clear recommendation for deletion. No one user gets to make more than one of those in any single discussion whether bolded or not - you know that, why are you actively encouraging someone to disregard it?
Thryduulf (
talk)
22:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Natiuonal Boss Day
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I completely disagree, you would have to create the same for every redirect with the word "National" in it.
Natuonal doesn't even exist either, and we shouldn't encourage anyone to create these unnecessary redirects.
CycloneYoristalk!06:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 3, 2020.
Ethnic cleansing in Chechnya
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
This redirect is the result of attempts to make an article heavily biased toward the Russian state POV more neutral. The article was moved to
Anti-Russian violence in Chechnya (1991–1994) and in hindsight it was a mistake to leave behind the redirect, as it continues to perpetrate the narrative that only Russians have only ever been the victims of ethnic cleansing in Chechnya (the article was later turned into a redirect to the current target, and the redirect at issue was de-doubled by a bot). While there are several possible examples of ethnically motivated violence (the region has experienced a lot of wars), the state of the constant POV pushing on this topic means that as far as I can tell there are currently no articles on Wikipedia that document more than one at a time. I think that the redirect should be a red link until someone is brave enough to write a neutral article on this topic. signed, Rosguilltalk01:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)reply
If we could get a subject matter expert, maybe, but the best I could do personally would just be to redirect to
Chechen War, which lists every conflict that occurred in Chechnya and/or involved Chechens. That feels too broad, and not better than deletion IMO. signed, Rosguilltalk00:06, 16 June 2020 (UTC)reply
3E1I5S8B9RF7, the problem with that solution is that it ignores the existence of the Russian narrative; Google Scholar search results are about 50/50 for articles about the Soviet deportations and the Chechen Wars of the 90s. signed, Rosguilltalk19:10, 22 June 2020 (UTC)reply
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Indusface Pvt
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Pretty sure similar precedents mostly went the delete way, but consensus can change, so I'm relisting this.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Deryck C.23:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Striking my previous !vote. I've changed my mind and I guess the best solution is to delete this; there is no mention of this company anywhere and a retarget does seem pointless.
CycloneYoristalk!01:13, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Universal problem
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Not mentioned at the target, Scholar search results don't suggest that this phrase is primarily associated with universal properties. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk23:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. The answer is
42, but no-one knows what the question is now that the Earth has been destroyed to make way for a hyperspace bypass.
Less flippantly, this is hopelessly ambiguous. It could refer to several of the problems in
Hilbert's program; but is not restricted to mathematics, and could refer to almost anything; including the very different theological and spiritual questions of the
problem of evil and
why are we here. Impossible to disambiguate, impossibly disparate for a
WP:BCA.
Narky Blert (
talk)
21:30, 5 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Keep Unless you have some example of something else that would be "MOS:SMALL". Note that e.g.
WP:V could mean lots of things as well. Please don't remove it while it's under discussion. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯20:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
MOS:IMAGESIZE and there is no MOS for tables but that doesn't subtract from the fact it's still potentionally confusing, Also please stop pinging me I've asked you repeatedly to stop ... so stop. –
Davey2010Talk00:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep we should always be very conservative when dealing with shortcut redirects as the potential disruption caused to old discussions (where references are not always linked) is massive. This is a relatively new redirect but it already has several incoming links and I see no benefit to deletion, especially as Koavf points out being ambiguous or potentially ambiguous is not a reason to delete a shortcut redirect. Your argument that other redirects exist to the current target is a
WP:OTHERSTUFF argument and is even less of an argument to delete a shortcut redirect than it is to keep one. If you want this redirect deleted you need to show that the benefits from deletion of this redirect will outweigh the harm caused by deleting this redirect, but so far you've not demonstrated any that deletion will have any benefits or that keeping it will be at all harmful.
Thryduulf (
talk)
22:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
A reason for deletion has been presented - Like I said "SMALL" can mean absolutely anything whereas SMALLTEXT, SMALLCAPS and SMALLFONT state the obvious, What does this redirect do that those above don't ? ... Nothing other than potentionally confusing people, –
Davey2010Talk23:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
No, that's a reason why you don't like it, it isn't a valid reason to delete a shortcut redirect. That other shortcuts exist is irrelevant, that the shortcut is potentially confusing is irrelevant. If you don't know what a shortcut represents you follow the link (or look at in preview), so ambiguity isn't a problem.
Thryduulf (
talk)
00:09, 4 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Gael itself is a redirect to
Gaels.
Goidel redirected to
Gaels for nine years without interruption until a very persistent anon kept redirecting it to
Goídelc, itself a redirect to
Old Irish. The anon was reverted six times between December 2019 and February 2020, at which point a bot fixed the double redirect, pointing it to
Old Irish before the anon could be reverted. I say speedy restore the original redirect to
Gael and protect the page. —
Mahāgaja ·
talk22:07, 4 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Miscapitalization of Fibonacci. Non-useful disambiguation of Binet's formula that has the same intended target (the present target of the redirect to be deleted is not the section where the topic is described)
D.Lazard (
talk)
10:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Refine to
Fibonacci number#Binet's formula (which is currently an alias for the
Fibonacci number#Closed-form expression but will persist if the section is renamed or discussion of Binet's formula is moved elsewhere in the article). The miscapitalisation is completely plausible and the section deals with exactly what someone using this search term will be looking for. That another redirect exists to the same target is irrelevant.
Thryduulf (
talk)
10:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete, not refine. Refining does not solve the two main issues, that are the miscapitalization and the non-useful disambiguation. Also the title is not a correct term; if the disambiguation would be needed, the title should be
Binet's formula on Fibonacci numbers.
D.Lazard (
talk)
10:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
@
D.Lazard: note I've unbolded your comment above as your opinion has already been made clear in your nomination. The miscapitalisation is completely trivial - many methods of finding Wikipedia content are case sensitive (excluding the first letter) and it is entirely plausible for someone to use all lowercase.
Binet's formula on Fibonacci numbers might be a better title, but we're not dealing with titles here we are dealing with search terms and "Binet's fibonacci number formula" is an entirely plausible one.
Thryduulf (
talk)
11:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I've rebolded the comment because it helps to clarify that the nominator is opposed to refining. It's inappropriate for you to take clerking action in a situation in which you are involved, given the fact that you are so actively opposed to the action the nominator wishes to make. --
Tavix(
talk)14:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm not going to revert you, but it is a principle longer standing than I've been at RfD (which is well over a decade) that the nominator does not get to make a second bolded recommendation when their nomination statement is clear. Clarifying that they stand by that statement is fine, but they do that without bolding. It's perfectly normal for someone involved in the discussion to remove bolding and/or strike (whichever is most appropriate in the given situation) whether involved or not provided they are clear about it. In this instance their nomination statement makes it clear they think it should be deleted so any second comment advocating that course of action should not include a bold to avoid double voting.
Thryduulf (
talk)
16:46, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
There is no "second" bolded recommendation; there is only one. The nomination statement did not give any bolded action. --
Tavix(
talk)16:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
It may not have bolded any words but it is unambiguously a clear recommendation for deletion. No one user gets to make more than one of those in any single discussion whether bolded or not - you know that, why are you actively encouraging someone to disregard it?
Thryduulf (
talk)
22:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Natiuonal Boss Day
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I completely disagree, you would have to create the same for every redirect with the word "National" in it.
Natuonal doesn't even exist either, and we shouldn't encourage anyone to create these unnecessary redirects.
CycloneYoristalk!06:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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