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World Richest Cricketers
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Badminton 1000 bc
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Basebasll
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Comment striking both the intended key and the key next to it seems like a reasonable typo; "a" and "s" are adjacent on
QWERTY keyboards. If it were created yesterday I'd say delete it, but it's been around for ten years.
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Template:R to surname
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Something has to change here. As distinct from a
redirect from a surname, a redirect to one could be all sorts of things, not necessarily an alternative name for the topic. Could this be repurposed or should it be deleted? My first thought was the latter, but I thought I'd bring it up for discussion. (Paging
Paine Ellsworth.) --
BDD (
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23:23, 29 November 2017 (UTC)reply
In other words, a redirect to any one template won't really work here; it should either be "promoted" to its own template & category (for which I don't see a good case, but I could be convinced otherwise), or orphaned and then deleted outright.
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08:03, 1 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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Juli Briskman
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. FWIW, she's been readded to the article, and it's been stable since late November. --
Tavix(
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Delete recently-created redirect on the woman who flipped off Trump's motorcade. It redirects to the article on her former employer, the company where she had worked as a contractor,
NANA Development Corporation, which quite properly does not discuss her, and is not likely to do so, since this incident is so tangential to the company. The redirect is unhelpful to Wikipedia readers, because they are redirected to an article with no information on Briskman.
TJRC (
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18:50, 14 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment: No need to strike out "her former employer". Per
this reference, Akima LLC (NANA's subsidiary) is her former employer. You may have gotten confused by the fact that Akima is a government contractor and thought that Briksman was a contractor to Akima (or NANA).
Sometimes the sky is blue (
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19:56, 28 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment by nom; the redirect creator has good-faith re-added material about Briskman into the company's article after I notified him of this RFD; I have deleted it. It is tangential to the company, and is an example of
WP:RECENTISM. None of this is edit-warring; the editors who initially added the clause, deleted it, re-added it, and re-deleted it, are four different editors.
TJRC (
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19:01, 14 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep It was deleted as "tabloid" sourcing, but it has been reported by Fortune magazine, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal and is still in the news today even though she was fired on November 6, 2017. The Gofundme campaign is ongoing as well as a wrongful termination lawsuit. People should be able to see the entry during a deletion discussion, so they can decide for themselves. Whenever we have a controversy/criticism at a company that gets this much media attention we add it, see
General Electric,
New York Times, and
Fox News for example. --RAN (talk) 18:59, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
It should not be in the article on the company. In the context of the company, where she was not even an employee, it is pure trivia and a fleeting news item. I don't dispute that it's been in the news, but Wikipedia is not a news repository;
WP:NOTNEWS. If the individual and incident is not sufficiently notable for an article, it should not be shoe-horned into a barely related article.
WP:COATRACK. Also, per
WP:BRD, it should remain out unless/until there is a consensus reached to include it, but I don't wish to edit-war and will not re-delete it.
TJRC (
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19:24, 14 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Calling something trivia or trivial, just means, you personally have no interest in it. All sports information is trivia to me. All television show information for shows that I have no interest in, is trivia to me. --
RAN (
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00:14, 15 November 2017 (UTC)reply
To clarify, it is trivia to the audience of people interested in learning about the company, and who therefore go to an article about the company to learn about it. While sports information is indeed trivial to me as well, it is not trivial to a person reading a sports-related article; that's a different audience.
TJRC (
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00:46, 15 November 2017 (UTC)reply
You are incorrectly holding it to the standard of having its own article, not a mention in the article of the company that she worked for. --
RAN (
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13:52, 15 November 2017 (UTC)reply
It's
WP:CRYSTAL to say keep, because there's likely litigation and then she will be notable. If she becomes notable, produce an article. But regardless, redirecting to the company where she contracted, to shoehorn in the Brinkman content is wrong. If she's notable, create the article; if she's not notable, delete the redirect and keep the company article clean.
TJRC (
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17:32, 28 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Juli Brinkman's notability is not relevant to this discussion. Nobody has claimed that she is notable and an article should be written about her. The fact that her firing was covered by many newspapers means that it is appropriate to include her firing in the article about the company (in this case the parent company) that fired her. This is independent of whether she will file a wrongful termination lawsuit.
This discussion is about the redirect from Juli Brinkman to the company. The case that I am making is that since it is appropriate to mention her name in the company's article, it is legitimate to have a redirect for her name to the company.
Sometimes the sky is blue (
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19:42, 28 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Not sure how you came up with this
coatrack argument. The essay in a nutshell says "Articles about one thing shouldn't mostly focus on another thing". Having a single paragraph about this issue does not shift the focus. The paragraph is not about Juli Briskman, but about the company firing her, because that's what made the news.
Sometimes the sky is blue (
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20:27, 28 November 2017 (UTC)reply
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νew Υork City
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This uses special characters for no reason, and is not in English. It is partially Greek and partially Latin, so is highly unlikely.
νew Υork City - "νew υork City" (NUew UPSILONork City) is not a proper redirect use. --
70.51.45.76 (
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03:37, 29 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete all homograph attacks as
WP:RFD#D8 implausible typos, and send a
WP:TROUT to AFC for accepting it. No way you'll get a wrong-script character in the middle of a search term unless you're deliberately screwing around. (IIRC,
MediaWiki:Titleblacklist used to be quite aggressive about blocking things like this, but they dialed it back because it caused too many false hits for legitimate scientific topics like
α-Hederin).
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11:20, 1 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 29, 2017.
World Richest Cricketers
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Badminton 1000 bc
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Basebasll
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Comment striking both the intended key and the key next to it seems like a reasonable typo; "a" and "s" are adjacent on
QWERTY keyboards. If it were created yesterday I'd say delete it, but it's been around for ten years.
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00:14, 30 November 2017 (UTC)reply
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Template:R to surname
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Something has to change here. As distinct from a
redirect from a surname, a redirect to one could be all sorts of things, not necessarily an alternative name for the topic. Could this be repurposed or should it be deleted? My first thought was the latter, but I thought I'd bring it up for discussion. (Paging
Paine Ellsworth.) --
BDD (
talk)
23:23, 29 November 2017 (UTC)reply
In other words, a redirect to any one template won't really work here; it should either be "promoted" to its own template & category (for which I don't see a good case, but I could be convinced otherwise), or orphaned and then deleted outright.
59.149.124.29 (
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08:03, 1 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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Juli Briskman
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. FWIW, she's been readded to the article, and it's been stable since late November. --
Tavix(
talk)22:16, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete recently-created redirect on the woman who flipped off Trump's motorcade. It redirects to the article on her former employer, the company where she had worked as a contractor,
NANA Development Corporation, which quite properly does not discuss her, and is not likely to do so, since this incident is so tangential to the company. The redirect is unhelpful to Wikipedia readers, because they are redirected to an article with no information on Briskman.
TJRC (
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18:50, 14 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment: No need to strike out "her former employer". Per
this reference, Akima LLC (NANA's subsidiary) is her former employer. You may have gotten confused by the fact that Akima is a government contractor and thought that Briksman was a contractor to Akima (or NANA).
Sometimes the sky is blue (
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19:56, 28 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment by nom; the redirect creator has good-faith re-added material about Briskman into the company's article after I notified him of this RFD; I have deleted it. It is tangential to the company, and is an example of
WP:RECENTISM. None of this is edit-warring; the editors who initially added the clause, deleted it, re-added it, and re-deleted it, are four different editors.
TJRC (
talk)
19:01, 14 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep It was deleted as "tabloid" sourcing, but it has been reported by Fortune magazine, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal and is still in the news today even though she was fired on November 6, 2017. The Gofundme campaign is ongoing as well as a wrongful termination lawsuit. People should be able to see the entry during a deletion discussion, so they can decide for themselves. Whenever we have a controversy/criticism at a company that gets this much media attention we add it, see
General Electric,
New York Times, and
Fox News for example. --RAN (talk) 18:59, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
It should not be in the article on the company. In the context of the company, where she was not even an employee, it is pure trivia and a fleeting news item. I don't dispute that it's been in the news, but Wikipedia is not a news repository;
WP:NOTNEWS. If the individual and incident is not sufficiently notable for an article, it should not be shoe-horned into a barely related article.
WP:COATRACK. Also, per
WP:BRD, it should remain out unless/until there is a consensus reached to include it, but I don't wish to edit-war and will not re-delete it.
TJRC (
talk)
19:24, 14 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Calling something trivia or trivial, just means, you personally have no interest in it. All sports information is trivia to me. All television show information for shows that I have no interest in, is trivia to me. --
RAN (
talk)
00:14, 15 November 2017 (UTC)reply
To clarify, it is trivia to the audience of people interested in learning about the company, and who therefore go to an article about the company to learn about it. While sports information is indeed trivial to me as well, it is not trivial to a person reading a sports-related article; that's a different audience.
TJRC (
talk)
00:46, 15 November 2017 (UTC)reply
You are incorrectly holding it to the standard of having its own article, not a mention in the article of the company that she worked for. --
RAN (
talk)
13:52, 15 November 2017 (UTC)reply
It's
WP:CRYSTAL to say keep, because there's likely litigation and then she will be notable. If she becomes notable, produce an article. But regardless, redirecting to the company where she contracted, to shoehorn in the Brinkman content is wrong. If she's notable, create the article; if she's not notable, delete the redirect and keep the company article clean.
TJRC (
talk)
17:32, 28 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Juli Brinkman's notability is not relevant to this discussion. Nobody has claimed that she is notable and an article should be written about her. The fact that her firing was covered by many newspapers means that it is appropriate to include her firing in the article about the company (in this case the parent company) that fired her. This is independent of whether she will file a wrongful termination lawsuit.
This discussion is about the redirect from Juli Brinkman to the company. The case that I am making is that since it is appropriate to mention her name in the company's article, it is legitimate to have a redirect for her name to the company.
Sometimes the sky is blue (
talk)
19:42, 28 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Not sure how you came up with this
coatrack argument. The essay in a nutshell says "Articles about one thing shouldn't mostly focus on another thing". Having a single paragraph about this issue does not shift the focus. The paragraph is not about Juli Briskman, but about the company firing her, because that's what made the news.
Sometimes the sky is blue (
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20:27, 28 November 2017 (UTC)reply
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νew Υork City
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This uses special characters for no reason, and is not in English. It is partially Greek and partially Latin, so is highly unlikely.
νew Υork City - "νew υork City" (NUew UPSILONork City) is not a proper redirect use. --
70.51.45.76 (
talk)
03:37, 29 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete all homograph attacks as
WP:RFD#D8 implausible typos, and send a
WP:TROUT to AFC for accepting it. No way you'll get a wrong-script character in the middle of a search term unless you're deliberately screwing around. (IIRC,
MediaWiki:Titleblacklist used to be quite aggressive about blocking things like this, but they dialed it back because it caused too many false hits for legitimate scientific topics like
α-Hederin).
59.149.124.29 (
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11:20, 1 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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