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January 31

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Jeff Ainsworth

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The result of the discussion was delete all. Thryduulf ( talk) 02:02, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete per various WP:HOCKEY precedents that these redirects are WP:XY. See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 3#More NHL draft picks for details. -- Tavix ( talk) 21:43, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete All: Completely aside from these being implausible redirects, the subjects all being obscure journeymen minor-league and amateur players, this is absolutely an XY deal. Let's take McKenzie, for example: what makes his playing for a team in the 2010 Memorial Cup a more likely redirect target than, say, the team for which he was playing, or any of the nine other amateur and professional teams for which he has played to date? These redirects are all the creation of an editor who was community banned from new redirects after creating hundreds like this to plump up his article creation count. Ravenswing 00:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete all per nom AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 17:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete all per Ravenswing. Sums it up better than I can. - DJSasso ( talk) 13:20, 2 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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Original multiple worlds

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 21:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply

There's no mention of these talkers at the target page. Someone looking for specific information is going to end up confused or disappointed. -- Tavix ( talk) 21:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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New Xbox

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The result of the discussion was No consensus While many targets have been proposed, there was no strong consensus for deletion, so defaulting to keep here. ( non-admin closure) - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 00:28, 9 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Seems like a partial title match for New Xbox Experience. Otherwise, it's ambiguous since the word "new" is vague/subjective. Steel1943 ( talk) 00:09, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Nominator comment: For the record, I suggest delete over retargeting. Steel1943 ( talk) 14:38, 11 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Retarget to Xbox where a user can find all of the Xbox products and select whichever is the newest at the time. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:16, 11 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep and possibly refine to Xbox One#Project Scorpio. I understand the nominator's concerns, here, and Tavix's—to some extent, this is always going to be a maintenance burden. But right now, a reader searching this is either looking for the most recent Xbox he or she could buy in a store or the upcoming Xbox. And right now, all of that information is on the Xbox One article. It may be better to leave readers at the top, with the TOC close at hand, but I would not oppose refining or deleting. -- BDD ( talk) 23:10, 22 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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Military cementery number 398 – Bieńczyce

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Had enough of experts

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List of Grand Theft Auto characters

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The result of the discussion was clearly no consensus to delete. The decision whether to retarget or convert to disambiguation is much closer but I think favors disambiguation. Rossami (talk) 05:12, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Easily confused with an actual list of characters, which the target does not include, just the entity's protagonists. Lordtobi ( ) 13:12, 16 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Dabify or convert to set index - Let's not put the page go to waste. Instead, make the page useful as either list method. About the SIA thing, the whole title is closely related to the video game series (or franchise if you call it this way). George Ho ( talk) 10:48, 5 February 2017 (UTC) reply
    • Why would this be needed when there's a navbox at the bottom that can take people to the character articles for each title mentioned? AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 17:22, 6 February 2017 (UTC) reply
      • Hmm... Is redundancy good or bad? Either way, redundancy is not generally a good reason for deletion. In fact, it may benefit those typing the whole descriptive titles. Having just the navbox at the bottom of a page is... kinda... not bad... just not good. Sometimes, a navbox may automatically collapse if it uses either "autocollapse" or "collapsed". George Ho ( talk) 03:40, 8 February 2017 (UTC); De-linked WP:redundancy is good, which is about project pages generally. 03:42, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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Outdoor Retreat

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 21:40, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Outdoor treat refers to a video game and this redirect is the result of a page move in 2015. The redirect is too vague in my opinion and would be difficult to find similar articles with the name. st 170 e 19:57, 13 January 2017 (UTC) reply

@ St170e: What similar articles did you have in mind? -- Tavix ( talk) 20:25, 13 January 2017 (UTC) reply
There's Retreat (spiritual), but those aren't always outdoors, and it seems like there must be secular versions of this too. I see the nominator's point that this could WP:SURPRISE, but what else is there to consider within Wikipedia? The title-case capitalization is a point in favor of the status quo too. -- BDD ( talk) 22:01, 13 January 2017 (UTC) reply
An outdoor retreat would be suited more to a dictionary definition. Outdoor retreats are synonymous with Retreat (spiritual) as BDD has pointed out. I am seeing the benefits of sticking with the status quo and a hatnote to the Retreat article too, though. st 170 e 23:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Delete – I'm not sure what this could be but at the moment it is the definition of WP:SURPRISE. Laurdecl talk 06:51, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Delete - I am the user who initially suggested this redirect's deletion to "st170e". As stated, the redirect is overly vague, and additionally it is highly unlikely that it would be the target of any links outside of Wikipedia. Of all the expansion packs for The Sims 4 which have their own articles, this is the only one which has a redirect for its name without the "The Sims 4" title. An earlier request that I made to have the other expansion packs for The Sims 4 have similar redirects created for them, which I made based on the existence of this redirect, was declined by "st170e", so for the sake of consistency I feel that if all the pages cannot have redirects for the shortened version of their names due to vagueness, none of them should have one. 114.75.78.136 ( talk) 13:30, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
In this case, may I ask what your opinion is regarding the creation of similar redirects for other expansion packs, e.g., The Sims 4: Get to Work, The Sims 4: Dine Out, etc.? 114.75.78.136 ( talk) 15:09, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
They'd have to be considered on a case-by-case basis. From a cursory search, Get to Work seems fine to create. Nothing else jumped out to me in terms of competing usage. Dine Out might be a different story. My Google search did show a lot of Sims related hits, but it's also a common enough phrase. Perhaps it's fine to create with a hatnote to Dining in (unless I'm missing a more appropriate article). As an aside, simply saying WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST isn't a reason to delete this redirect. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Fair enough. Let us see what the general consensus is. 114.75.78.136 ( talk) 15:26, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Hmm, isn't that what we did with those Neelix redirects from a subtitle when they came up last year? I'll need to look into it more when I have time. What would you think about creating a new rcat at {{ R from subtitle}} for situations like this? -- Tavix ( talk) 17:47, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • @ Tavix: That probably needs to be done. But, just to make sure that it will not create duplication with another Rcat, best to ... ...to be continued there. Steel1943 ( talk) 18:29, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
I agree that would be a useful hatnote. -- Tavix ( talk) 16:07, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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Imagine (song)

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. ( non-admin closure) - There are two crucial questions here, the first of which is whether the John Lennon song is the primary topic for Imagine (song). The view that it is the primary topic was implicit in the previous RM discussion, but it was challenged in the subsequent RfD, apparently without reaching consensus, and it was rehashed again now, backed up with what I see as strong arguments.
However, the second crucial question is what is to be done if it is the primary topic. One view, grounded in the general practice behind WP:PRECISE and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, is that Imagine (John Lennon song) would need to be moved to Imagine (song). There is no consensus for such a move now and one will have to be established by an RM. The opposing view, which seems to be allowed for at WP:DABSONG as an exception, is that the John Lennon song will keep its overprecise title and Imagine (song) will redirect to it. At present, there is no consensus for such an outcome either.
What is the way forward? Clearly, an RM would be warranted (although I don't see consensus that one should be procedurally started). A second RfD discussion would be warranted too, but in order for it to overcome the challenges to it legitimacy (which were behind the current "speedy close/send to RM" !votes), it will need to reach at least as wide an audience as the hypothetical RM. That would minimally be achieved by a notice on the talk page of Imagine (John Lennon song), but I would also recommend advertising it more broadly - to relevant wikiprojects and/or on the talk page of WP:NCM. – Uanfala (talk) 03:18, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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Imagine (John Lennon song) satisfies WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criteria overwhelmingly, just as Revolver (album) does for the Beatles album Revolver (Beatles album). Imagine (Tone Damli song) is only a stub article in complete contrast with the WP:FA status of Imagine (John Lennon song) (so I presume WP:NCMDAB gives us some leeway here). The Lennon song is widely regarded as among the greatest songs of the 70s and beyond; its long-term significance cannot be in doubt. Most people searching for Imagine (song) are looking for the Lennon classic. Case-in-point? Take pageviews, where Lennon absolutely swamps the other artist. There is very definitely, a primary topic at hand here. Note also that Imagine (album) redirects to Imagine (John Lennon album). -- Nevé selbert 00:05, 12 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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Bathmophobia

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Submultiple

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Breakfast means breakfast

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The result of the discussion was Retarget both to Malapropism#Real-life examples. ( non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 17:04, 11 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Personally recommend a retarget to Malapropism, where the blunder is attributed. -- Nevé selbert 14:58, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Miscellaneous Brexit redirects impertinent to discussion
To editors Champion, SimonTrew, Steel1943, Tavix and Thryduulf:
Go ahead and nominate any you feel should be deleted. -- Tavix ( talk) 16:13, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Have you any opinion on Brexshit or perhaps Brexit cereal, Tavix? I was going to do a mass-nomination, but I felt it would turn into a WP:TRAINWRECK, so I thought pinging you guys might be best, to see what you think of some of them.-- Nevé selbert 21:25, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
I'd recommend individual nominations unless there's obvious relation. -- Tavix ( talk) 21:26, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Breakfast means breakfast https://order-order.com/2016/10/04/breakfast-means-breakfast/
Brexit means breakfast has a fair bit of coverage, both enough for a redirect IMO https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore?q=brexit%20means%20breakfast Deku-shrub ( talk) 23:34, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
It's not just a matter of having enough coverage for a redirect, but about there being an appropriate target for people using the redirect to find out about it. It isn't mentioned at the Brexit article so someone landing there via this redirect will likely just be confused. Thryduulf ( talk) 01:51, 1 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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Registering for the draft

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Conscription. ( non-admin closure) Uanfala (talk) 00:00, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Registering for the draft is not only implemented in U.S, but also other countries like mainland China. !Panzerkampfwagen! ( talk) 12:54, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

If you narrow your search to simply "register", you'll find a hit for China: Citizens 18 years of age are required to register in PLA offices, but policy not enforced. Policy exempted in Hong Kong and Macao. Netherlands also mentions a registration, although it's done automatically: to this day, every male and female citizen aged 17 gets a letter in which he is told that he has been registered but does not have to present himself for service. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:59, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
!Panzerkampfwagen! can you rename that to Conscription in China as with the other articles? Also there's a section on the Conscription page for China so that's ready for the hatnote. AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 17:52, 1 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Great, Panzerkampfwagen! I think I agree with AngusWOOF's suggestion. Draft registration is a subtopic of conscription generally. This will make a good start for a standalone article on conscription in China. -- BDD ( talk) 18:15, 1 February 2017 (UTC) reply
I've established a short article accounts the topic( Conscription in China).-- !Panzerkampfwagen! ( talk) 11:16, 4 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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List of English suffixes

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The result of the discussion was soft redirect to wiktionary. ( non-admin closure) Uanfala (talk) 23:59, 10 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Article talks about suffixes in general and there is no full list of English suffixes on the article Flow 234 (Nina) talk 10:46, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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Jonathan kerry

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 21:34, 7 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Not a valid alternative name. Subject is not referred to as such. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 06:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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Globalwarming Awareness2007

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 21:32, 7 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Implausible. Delete and salt. KATMAKROFAN ( talk) 03:51, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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Wikipedia:Skabeloner

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The result of the discussion was delete uncontested and other foreign language redirects in project space have been deleted recently by consensus so this seems uncontroversial. Thryduulf ( talk) 02:06, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. I believe this is Danish. -- Tavix ( talk) 03:26, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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Wall of meat

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The result of the discussion was delete. I'll note that the target has been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bikers for Trump. -- Tavix ( talk) 16:40, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply

A random phrase that an editor happens to like isn't an appropriate basis for a redirect. Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 00:47, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

  • weak keep. The phrase seems to have garnered significant news coverage and is mentioned in the article. I have my doubts that the target group is notable (and the existence of a notability tag means I'm not alone) but while the article exists this redirect seems not inappropriate. If the target is deleted this will be speedy deleted per WP:CSD#G8. Thryduulf ( talk) 01:26, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • delete (was weak keep) I get DrFleischman's point, and I only made the redirect because I thought some readers might search for the phrase - and be happy to find that it referred to the pro-Trump biker group. But maybe it only mattered for the few days before and after the inauguration? In the old days I often would create a page and promptly move it - leaving a redirect - because my primary motivation was to help readers find the articles they're looking for. -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 02:55, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
user:Ed Poor accidentally modified my !vote instead of their own [1]. As my opinion has not changed, I've corrected this. Thryduulf ( talk) 02:11, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply
A whopping pageview total of 8 over the inauguration--yes, 8--shows that readers aren't being aided by this redirect. -- Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 03:05, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Actually that shows that human readers were helped 8 times in 28 days. I see no good reasons to make it harder for people to find the content they are obviously looking for. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:48, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Good point; plus, no article even links to it. I guess I goofed, and sorry for taking everyone's time. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed Poor ( talkcontribs) 20:45, 5 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Okay, that's a bit strong. I was thinking more of human chain or human barricade, as some articles put it. Perhaps a hatnote then? AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 23:57, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as-is; the phrase is specific and specific to this Bikers for Trump thing, which did not propose a human shield to prevent armed assault, but a vigilante version of a riot-police line to blockade protesters.  —  SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  22:51, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Not mentioned at the target page, so unlikely to leave readers any more informed than they already were, and likely to leave them confused. On a more subjective measure, I follow American politics pretty obsessively and haven't heard the phrase, which makes me think it's an unlikely search term. -- BDD ( talk) 16:25, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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January 31

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 31, 2017.

Jeff Ainsworth

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The result of the discussion was delete all. Thryduulf ( talk) 02:02, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete per various WP:HOCKEY precedents that these redirects are WP:XY. See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 3#More NHL draft picks for details. -- Tavix ( talk) 21:43, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

  • Delete All: Completely aside from these being implausible redirects, the subjects all being obscure journeymen minor-league and amateur players, this is absolutely an XY deal. Let's take McKenzie, for example: what makes his playing for a team in the 2010 Memorial Cup a more likely redirect target than, say, the team for which he was playing, or any of the nine other amateur and professional teams for which he has played to date? These redirects are all the creation of an editor who was community banned from new redirects after creating hundreds like this to plump up his article creation count. Ravenswing 00:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete all per nom AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 17:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete all per Ravenswing. Sums it up better than I can. - DJSasso ( talk) 13:20, 2 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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Original multiple worlds

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 21:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply

There's no mention of these talkers at the target page. Someone looking for specific information is going to end up confused or disappointed. -- Tavix ( talk) 21:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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New Xbox

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The result of the discussion was No consensus While many targets have been proposed, there was no strong consensus for deletion, so defaulting to keep here. ( non-admin closure) - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 00:28, 9 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Seems like a partial title match for New Xbox Experience. Otherwise, it's ambiguous since the word "new" is vague/subjective. Steel1943 ( talk) 00:09, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Nominator comment: For the record, I suggest delete over retargeting. Steel1943 ( talk) 14:38, 11 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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  • Retarget to Xbox where a user can find all of the Xbox products and select whichever is the newest at the time. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:16, 11 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep and possibly refine to Xbox One#Project Scorpio. I understand the nominator's concerns, here, and Tavix's—to some extent, this is always going to be a maintenance burden. But right now, a reader searching this is either looking for the most recent Xbox he or she could buy in a store or the upcoming Xbox. And right now, all of that information is on the Xbox One article. It may be better to leave readers at the top, with the TOC close at hand, but I would not oppose refining or deleting. -- BDD ( talk) 23:10, 22 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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Military cementery number 398 – Bieńczyce

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Had enough of experts

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List of Grand Theft Auto characters

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The result of the discussion was clearly no consensus to delete. The decision whether to retarget or convert to disambiguation is much closer but I think favors disambiguation. Rossami (talk) 05:12, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Easily confused with an actual list of characters, which the target does not include, just the entity's protagonists. Lordtobi ( ) 13:12, 16 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Dabify or convert to set index - Let's not put the page go to waste. Instead, make the page useful as either list method. About the SIA thing, the whole title is closely related to the video game series (or franchise if you call it this way). George Ho ( talk) 10:48, 5 February 2017 (UTC) reply
    • Why would this be needed when there's a navbox at the bottom that can take people to the character articles for each title mentioned? AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 17:22, 6 February 2017 (UTC) reply
      • Hmm... Is redundancy good or bad? Either way, redundancy is not generally a good reason for deletion. In fact, it may benefit those typing the whole descriptive titles. Having just the navbox at the bottom of a page is... kinda... not bad... just not good. Sometimes, a navbox may automatically collapse if it uses either "autocollapse" or "collapsed". George Ho ( talk) 03:40, 8 February 2017 (UTC); De-linked WP:redundancy is good, which is about project pages generally. 03:42, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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Outdoor Retreat

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 21:40, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Outdoor treat refers to a video game and this redirect is the result of a page move in 2015. The redirect is too vague in my opinion and would be difficult to find similar articles with the name. st 170 e 19:57, 13 January 2017 (UTC) reply

@ St170e: What similar articles did you have in mind? -- Tavix ( talk) 20:25, 13 January 2017 (UTC) reply
There's Retreat (spiritual), but those aren't always outdoors, and it seems like there must be secular versions of this too. I see the nominator's point that this could WP:SURPRISE, but what else is there to consider within Wikipedia? The title-case capitalization is a point in favor of the status quo too. -- BDD ( talk) 22:01, 13 January 2017 (UTC) reply
An outdoor retreat would be suited more to a dictionary definition. Outdoor retreats are synonymous with Retreat (spiritual) as BDD has pointed out. I am seeing the benefits of sticking with the status quo and a hatnote to the Retreat article too, though. st 170 e 23:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Delete – I'm not sure what this could be but at the moment it is the definition of WP:SURPRISE. Laurdecl talk 06:51, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Delete - I am the user who initially suggested this redirect's deletion to "st170e". As stated, the redirect is overly vague, and additionally it is highly unlikely that it would be the target of any links outside of Wikipedia. Of all the expansion packs for The Sims 4 which have their own articles, this is the only one which has a redirect for its name without the "The Sims 4" title. An earlier request that I made to have the other expansion packs for The Sims 4 have similar redirects created for them, which I made based on the existence of this redirect, was declined by "st170e", so for the sake of consistency I feel that if all the pages cannot have redirects for the shortened version of their names due to vagueness, none of them should have one. 114.75.78.136 ( talk) 13:30, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
In this case, may I ask what your opinion is regarding the creation of similar redirects for other expansion packs, e.g., The Sims 4: Get to Work, The Sims 4: Dine Out, etc.? 114.75.78.136 ( talk) 15:09, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
They'd have to be considered on a case-by-case basis. From a cursory search, Get to Work seems fine to create. Nothing else jumped out to me in terms of competing usage. Dine Out might be a different story. My Google search did show a lot of Sims related hits, but it's also a common enough phrase. Perhaps it's fine to create with a hatnote to Dining in (unless I'm missing a more appropriate article). As an aside, simply saying WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST isn't a reason to delete this redirect. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Fair enough. Let us see what the general consensus is. 114.75.78.136 ( talk) 15:26, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Hmm, isn't that what we did with those Neelix redirects from a subtitle when they came up last year? I'll need to look into it more when I have time. What would you think about creating a new rcat at {{ R from subtitle}} for situations like this? -- Tavix ( talk) 17:47, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • @ Tavix: That probably needs to be done. But, just to make sure that it will not create duplication with another Rcat, best to ... ...to be continued there. Steel1943 ( talk) 18:29, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
I agree that would be a useful hatnote. -- Tavix ( talk) 16:07, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply
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Imagine (song)

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. ( non-admin closure) - There are two crucial questions here, the first of which is whether the John Lennon song is the primary topic for Imagine (song). The view that it is the primary topic was implicit in the previous RM discussion, but it was challenged in the subsequent RfD, apparently without reaching consensus, and it was rehashed again now, backed up with what I see as strong arguments.
However, the second crucial question is what is to be done if it is the primary topic. One view, grounded in the general practice behind WP:PRECISE and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, is that Imagine (John Lennon song) would need to be moved to Imagine (song). There is no consensus for such a move now and one will have to be established by an RM. The opposing view, which seems to be allowed for at WP:DABSONG as an exception, is that the John Lennon song will keep its overprecise title and Imagine (song) will redirect to it. At present, there is no consensus for such an outcome either.
What is the way forward? Clearly, an RM would be warranted (although I don't see consensus that one should be procedurally started). A second RfD discussion would be warranted too, but in order for it to overcome the challenges to it legitimacy (which were behind the current "speedy close/send to RM" !votes), it will need to reach at least as wide an audience as the hypothetical RM. That would minimally be achieved by a notice on the talk page of Imagine (John Lennon song), but I would also recommend advertising it more broadly - to relevant wikiprojects and/or on the talk page of WP:NCM. – Uanfala (talk) 03:18, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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Imagine (John Lennon song) satisfies WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criteria overwhelmingly, just as Revolver (album) does for the Beatles album Revolver (Beatles album). Imagine (Tone Damli song) is only a stub article in complete contrast with the WP:FA status of Imagine (John Lennon song) (so I presume WP:NCMDAB gives us some leeway here). The Lennon song is widely regarded as among the greatest songs of the 70s and beyond; its long-term significance cannot be in doubt. Most people searching for Imagine (song) are looking for the Lennon classic. Case-in-point? Take pageviews, where Lennon absolutely swamps the other artist. There is very definitely, a primary topic at hand here. Note also that Imagine (album) redirects to Imagine (John Lennon album). -- Nevé selbert 00:05, 12 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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Bathmophobia

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Submultiple

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Breakfast means breakfast

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The result of the discussion was Retarget both to Malapropism#Real-life examples. ( non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 17:04, 11 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Personally recommend a retarget to Malapropism, where the blunder is attributed. -- Nevé selbert 14:58, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Miscellaneous Brexit redirects impertinent to discussion
To editors Champion, SimonTrew, Steel1943, Tavix and Thryduulf:
Go ahead and nominate any you feel should be deleted. -- Tavix ( talk) 16:13, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Have you any opinion on Brexshit or perhaps Brexit cereal, Tavix? I was going to do a mass-nomination, but I felt it would turn into a WP:TRAINWRECK, so I thought pinging you guys might be best, to see what you think of some of them.-- Nevé selbert 21:25, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
I'd recommend individual nominations unless there's obvious relation. -- Tavix ( talk) 21:26, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Breakfast means breakfast https://order-order.com/2016/10/04/breakfast-means-breakfast/
Brexit means breakfast has a fair bit of coverage, both enough for a redirect IMO https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore?q=brexit%20means%20breakfast Deku-shrub ( talk) 23:34, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
It's not just a matter of having enough coverage for a redirect, but about there being an appropriate target for people using the redirect to find out about it. It isn't mentioned at the Brexit article so someone landing there via this redirect will likely just be confused. Thryduulf ( talk) 01:51, 1 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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Registering for the draft

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Conscription. ( non-admin closure) Uanfala (talk) 00:00, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Registering for the draft is not only implemented in U.S, but also other countries like mainland China. !Panzerkampfwagen! ( talk) 12:54, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

If you narrow your search to simply "register", you'll find a hit for China: Citizens 18 years of age are required to register in PLA offices, but policy not enforced. Policy exempted in Hong Kong and Macao. Netherlands also mentions a registration, although it's done automatically: to this day, every male and female citizen aged 17 gets a letter in which he is told that he has been registered but does not have to present himself for service. -- Tavix ( talk) 19:59, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
!Panzerkampfwagen! can you rename that to Conscription in China as with the other articles? Also there's a section on the Conscription page for China so that's ready for the hatnote. AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 17:52, 1 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Great, Panzerkampfwagen! I think I agree with AngusWOOF's suggestion. Draft registration is a subtopic of conscription generally. This will make a good start for a standalone article on conscription in China. -- BDD ( talk) 18:15, 1 February 2017 (UTC) reply
I've established a short article accounts the topic( Conscription in China).-- !Panzerkampfwagen! ( talk) 11:16, 4 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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List of English suffixes

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The result of the discussion was soft redirect to wiktionary. ( non-admin closure) Uanfala (talk) 23:59, 10 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Article talks about suffixes in general and there is no full list of English suffixes on the article Flow 234 (Nina) talk 10:46, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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Jonathan kerry

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 21:34, 7 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Not a valid alternative name. Subject is not referred to as such. - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 06:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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Globalwarming Awareness2007

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 21:32, 7 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Implausible. Delete and salt. KATMAKROFAN ( talk) 03:51, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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Wikipedia:Skabeloner

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The result of the discussion was delete uncontested and other foreign language redirects in project space have been deleted recently by consensus so this seems uncontroversial. Thryduulf ( talk) 02:06, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. I believe this is Danish. -- Tavix ( talk) 03:26, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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Wall of meat

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The result of the discussion was delete. I'll note that the target has been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bikers for Trump. -- Tavix ( talk) 16:40, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply

A random phrase that an editor happens to like isn't an appropriate basis for a redirect. Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 00:47, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply

  • weak keep. The phrase seems to have garnered significant news coverage and is mentioned in the article. I have my doubts that the target group is notable (and the existence of a notability tag means I'm not alone) but while the article exists this redirect seems not inappropriate. If the target is deleted this will be speedy deleted per WP:CSD#G8. Thryduulf ( talk) 01:26, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • delete (was weak keep) I get DrFleischman's point, and I only made the redirect because I thought some readers might search for the phrase - and be happy to find that it referred to the pro-Trump biker group. But maybe it only mattered for the few days before and after the inauguration? In the old days I often would create a page and promptly move it - leaving a redirect - because my primary motivation was to help readers find the articles they're looking for. -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 02:55, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
user:Ed Poor accidentally modified my !vote instead of their own [1]. As my opinion has not changed, I've corrected this. Thryduulf ( talk) 02:11, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply
A whopping pageview total of 8 over the inauguration--yes, 8--shows that readers aren't being aided by this redirect. -- Dr. Fleischman ( talk) 03:05, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Actually that shows that human readers were helped 8 times in 28 days. I see no good reasons to make it harder for people to find the content they are obviously looking for. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:48, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Good point; plus, no article even links to it. I guess I goofed, and sorry for taking everyone's time. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed Poor ( talkcontribs) 20:45, 5 February 2017 (UTC) reply
Okay, that's a bit strong. I was thinking more of human chain or human barricade, as some articles put it. Perhaps a hatnote then? AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 23:57, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as-is; the phrase is specific and specific to this Bikers for Trump thing, which did not propose a human shield to prevent armed assault, but a vigilante version of a riot-police line to blockade protesters.  —  SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  22:51, 31 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Not mentioned at the target page, so unlikely to leave readers any more informed than they already were, and likely to leave them confused. On a more subjective measure, I follow American politics pretty obsessively and haven't heard the phrase, which makes me think it's an unlikely search term. -- BDD ( talk) 16:25, 8 February 2017 (UTC) reply
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