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Jeff Ainsworth
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Delete All: Completely aside from these being implausible redirects, the subjects all being obscure journeymen minor-league and amateur players, this is absolutely an XY deal. Let's take McKenzie, for example: what makes his playing for a team in the 2010 Memorial Cup a more likely redirect target than, say, the team for which he was playing, or any of the nine other amateur and professional teams for which he has played to date? These redirects are all the creation of an editor who was community banned from new redirects after creating hundreds like this to plump up his article creation count.
Ravenswing 00:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)reply
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Original multiple worlds
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There's no mention of these talkers at the target page. Someone looking for specific information is going to end up confused or disappointed. --
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New Xbox
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Weak keep and possibly refine to
Xbox One#Project Scorpio. I understand the nominator's concerns, here, and Tavix's—to some extent, this is always going to be a maintenance burden. But right now, a reader searching this is either looking for the most recent Xbox he or she could buy in a store or the upcoming Xbox. And right now, all of that information is on the Xbox One article. It may be better to leave readers at the top, with the TOC close at hand, but I would not oppose refining or deleting. --
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23:10, 22 January 2017 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was clearly no consensus to delete. The decision whether to retarget or convert to disambiguation is much closer but I think favors disambiguation.
Rossami(talk)05:12, 13 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete no such franchise list with common characters across multiple titles. Making a dab page would mean a bunch of PTMs.
AngusWOOF (
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18:22, 16 January 2017 (UTC) updated 22:48, 16 January 2017 (UTC)reply
It is not unreasonable for people to think we might have an single article about characters in the series rather than individual articles for characters in each edition, making this a likely search term and useful disambiguation page.
Thryduulf (
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21:03, 16 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Dabify or convert to set index - Let's not put the page go to waste. Instead, make the page useful as either list method. About the SIA thing, the whole title is closely related to the video game series (or franchise if you call it this way).
George Ho (
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10:48, 5 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Hmm... Is redundancy good or bad? Either way, redundancy is not generally a good reason for deletion. In fact, it may benefit those typing the whole descriptive titles. Having just the navbox at the bottom of a page is... kinda... not bad... just not good. Sometimes, a navbox may automatically collapse if it uses either "autocollapse" or "collapsed".
George Ho (
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03:40, 8 February 2017 (UTC); De-linked
WP:redundancy is good, which is about project pages generally. 03:42, 8 February 2017 (UTC)reply
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Outdoor Retreat
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Outdoor treat refers to a video game and this redirect is the result of a page move in 2015. The redirect is too vague in my opinion and would be difficult to find similar articles with the name.
st170e19:57, 13 January 2017 (UTC)reply
There's
Retreat (spiritual), but those aren't always outdoors, and it seems like there must be secular versions of this too. I see the nominator's point that this could
WP:SURPRISE, but what else is there to consider within Wikipedia? The title-case capitalization is a point in favor of the status quo too. --
BDD (
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22:01, 13 January 2017 (UTC)reply
An outdoor retreat would be suited more to a dictionary definition. Outdoor retreats are synonymous with
Retreat (spiritual) as
BDD has pointed out. I am seeing the benefits of sticking with the status quo and a hatnote to the Retreat article too, though.
st170e23:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete - I am the user who initially suggested this redirect's deletion to "st170e". As stated, the redirect is overly vague, and additionally it is highly unlikely that it would be the target of any links outside of Wikipedia. Of all the expansion packs for The Sims 4 which have their own articles, this is the only one which has a redirect for its name without the "The Sims 4" title. An earlier request that I made to have the other expansion packs for The Sims 4 have similar redirects created for them, which I made based on the existence of this redirect, was declined by "st170e", so for the sake of consistency I feel that if all the pages cannot have redirects for the shortened version of their names due to vagueness, none of them should have one.
114.75.78.136 (
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13:30, 14 January 2017 (UTC)reply
They'd have to be considered on a case-by-case basis. From a cursory search,
Get to Work seems fine to create. Nothing else jumped out to me in terms of competing usage.
Dine Out might be a different story. My Google search did show a lot of Sims related hits, but it's also a common enough phrase. Perhaps it's fine to create with a hatnote to
Dining in (unless I'm missing a more appropriate article). As an aside, simply saying
WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST isn't a reason to delete this redirect. --
Tavix(
talk)15:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Hmm, isn't that what we did with those Neelix redirects from a subtitle when they came up last year? I'll need to look into it more when I have time. What would you think about creating a new rcat at {{R from subtitle}} for situations like this? --
Tavix(
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@
Tavix: That probably needs to be done. But, just to make sure that it will not create duplication with another Rcat, best to ...
Keep but add a hatnote to
Retreat (disambiguation) per Tavix. There are no competing uses for this term that have an article, and while I can forsee there maybe being an article on the concept of places of peacefulness, holidaying or moving away from the city type uses (see also Escape to the Country) but they won't be at this title and will be listed on the disambiguation page.
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Imagine (song)
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. (
non-admin closure) - There are two crucial questions here, the first of which is whether the John Lennon song is the
primary topic for
Imagine (song). The view that it is the primary topic was implicit in the previous RM discussion, but it was challenged in the subsequent RfD, apparently without reaching consensus, and it was rehashed again now, backed up with what I see as strong arguments.
However, the second crucial question is what is to be done if it is the primary topic. One view, grounded in the general practice behind
WP:PRECISE and
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, is that
Imagine (John Lennon song) would need to be moved to
Imagine (song). There is no consensus for such a move now and one will have to be established by an RM. The opposing view, which seems to be allowed for at
WP:DABSONG as an exception, is that the John Lennon song will keep its overprecise title and
Imagine (song) will redirect to it. At present, there is no consensus for such an outcome either.
What is the way forward? Clearly, an RM would be warranted (although I don't see consensus that one should be procedurally started). A second RfD discussion would be warranted too, but in order for it to overcome the challenges to it legitimacy (which were behind the current "speedy close/send to RM" !votes), it will need to reach at least as wide an audience as the hypothetical RM. That would minimally be achieved by a notice on the talk page of
Imagine (John Lennon song), but I would also recommend advertising it more broadly - to relevant wikiprojects and/or on the talk page of
WP:NCM. –
Uanfala (talk)03:18, 8 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:
The John Lennon song is obviously the primary topic. The Lennon song "has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term" (quoted from
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC). For those reasons, I am in strong support of retargetting this to
Imagine (John Lennon song) and adding a hatnote at that article to
Imagine. --
Notecardforfree (
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03:10, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Send to RM This seems more like a requested move discussion. The John Lennon song was originally at this title, moved to (John Lennon song) in 2015 and then, shortly afterwards, the resulting redirect pointed to the disambiguation page. If we're redirecting (song) to (John Lennon song) then the article really should just be at (song) in the first place. That would need a requested move to reverse the previous one.
Thryduulf (
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12:12, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Tavix: I disagree. If "Imagine (song)" redirects to "Imagine (John Lennon song)" then the article is the primary topic for "Imagine (song)" and so should be at that title (per
WP:PRECISE, and probably other disambiguation policies/guidelines). If it isn't the primary topic for "Imagine (song)" then things should stay as they are. Given the current set-up is the result of an RM consensus it requires an RM consensus to reverse.
Thryduulf (
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15:24, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Those are arguments for RM and should be independent of this discussion. There was an RM over this already,
here. If you want to open another RM, go ahead and make those arguments there, but this is not the place to do so. --
Tavix(
talk)15:45, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep / send to RM per Thryduulf. "Imagine (song)" shouldn't redirect to "Imagine (John Lennon song)" any more than "Imagine" should redirect to "Imagine (song)". --
BDD (
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22:17, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Based on a single user's comment from several years ago, when PDAB was an attempt to change naming policy instead of just an essay? Ok. Great. PRIMARYTOPIC be damned! --
BDD (
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22:38, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
I cannot see why such a move is necessary at this juncture. The courteous thing to do would have been to open a requested move at
Talk:Imagine (John Lennon album), something you did not do. It's also somewhat undermining the rationale I gave here, and I find it extraordinary that you think the action you performed was non-controversial.--
Nevé–selbert23:29, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
It was reverting an undiscussed move. I will apologize for apparently misreading your nomination statement, however; I thought the implication behind "Note also that Imagine (album) redirects to Imagine (John Lennon album)" was that that was a situation that needed rectifying. Indeed, the status quo flies in the face of
WP:PRECISE,
WP:D, and
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but what's a few broken policies and guidelines between friends? --
BDD (
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14:35, 13 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep (and disagree with moving the article). Primary topics are often shaky. When in doubt, put the article at a name that is sufficiently disambiguated from all other Wikipedia articles. When in doubt, disambiguate rather than point to most prominent topic.
Deryck C.22:32, 28 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Speedily close and send to RM. This isn't just out-of-scope for RfC, it's
shopping/rehash of previous RMs and against
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (music). I would expect the RM to be speedily closed as well, honestly.
Imagine (John Lennon song) is regularly cited against attempts to move song articles to be alleged PRIMARY topics on the basis of being in the charts this month. RfD doesn't exist to go for end-runs around RM precedent and NC guidelines. —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 22:56, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
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It's not just a matter of having enough coverage for a redirect, but about there being an appropriate target for people using the redirect to find out about it. It isn't mentioned at the
Brexit article so someone landing there via this redirect will likely just be confused.
Thryduulf (
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01:51, 1 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Weak retarget to
Malapropism#Real-life examples per Thryduulf as this is given as an example there. But on the other hand, this is just given as an example, any such example could be replaced by another one in the future, and its treatment there is by necessity too incidental and brief to strongly warrant the existence of a redirect. –
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Registering for the draft
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Currently, all references to "registration" at
Conscription are about the United States. Will readers searching these terms be satisfied? How do other countries conscript—is the US unique in its registration system? --
BDD (
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19:55, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
If you narrow your search to simply "register", you'll find a hit for China: Citizens 18 years of age are required to register in PLA offices, but policy not enforced. Policy exempted in Hong Kong and Macao. Netherlands also mentions a registration, although it's done automatically: to this day, every male and female citizen aged 17 gets a letter in which he is told that he has been registered but does not have to present himself for service. --
Tavix(
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Great, Panzerkampfwagen! I think I agree with AngusWOOF's suggestion. Draft registration is a subtopic of conscription generally. This will make a good start for a standalone article on conscription in China. --
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List of English suffixes
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soft redirect to
Wikt:Appendix:English suffixes. The 410 page views last year confirm my suspicion that this is a very likely thing people will be looking for, and while Wikipedia doesn't have such a list Wiktionary does so we should help people to find it.
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Jonathan kerry
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Delete. This does not appear to be the subject's name. The most prominent individual in my search results was a member of the administrative staff of Leicester Cathedral and Leicester College who does not rise to the level notability.
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Globalwarming Awareness2007
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Delete. This was apparently created after a spammy article about an SEO contest was deleted, and then protected to prevent further creations (I'm not sure if salting existed back then).
Thryduulf (
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09:17, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete. Not mentioned at target and implausible. If this recipe calls for a dash of salt, I'm fine with that too, though I'd be somewhat surprised if anyone came back a decade later to create spam at this title. --
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Wikipedia:Skabeloner
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The result of the discussion was delete uncontested and other foreign language redirects in project space have been deleted recently by consensus so this seems uncontroversial.
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Wall of meat
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weak keep. The phrase seems to have garnered significant news coverage and is mentioned in the article. I have my doubts that the target group is notable (and the existence of a notability tag means I'm not alone) but while the article exists this redirect seems not inappropriate. If the target is deleted this will be speedy deleted per
WP:CSD#G8.
Thryduulf (
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01:26, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
delete (was weak keep) I get DrFleischman's point, and I only made the redirect because I thought some readers might search for the phrase - and be happy to find that it referred to the pro-Trump biker group. But maybe it only mattered for the few days before and after the inauguration? In the old days I often would create a page and promptly move it - leaving a redirect - because my primary motivation was to help readers find the articles they're looking for. --
Uncle Ed (
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02:55, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Actually that shows that human readers were helped 8 times in 28 days. I see no good reasons to make it harder for people to find the content they are obviously looking for.
Thryduulf (
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13:48, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete Not mentioned at the target page, so unlikely to leave readers any more informed than they already were, and likely to leave them confused. On a more subjective measure, I follow American politics pretty obsessively and haven't heard the phrase, which makes me think it's an unlikely search term. --
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16:25, 8 February 2017 (UTC)reply
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 31, 2017.
Jeff Ainsworth
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Delete All: Completely aside from these being implausible redirects, the subjects all being obscure journeymen minor-league and amateur players, this is absolutely an XY deal. Let's take McKenzie, for example: what makes his playing for a team in the 2010 Memorial Cup a more likely redirect target than, say, the team for which he was playing, or any of the nine other amateur and professional teams for which he has played to date? These redirects are all the creation of an editor who was community banned from new redirects after creating hundreds like this to plump up his article creation count.
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Original multiple worlds
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There's no mention of these talkers at the target page. Someone looking for specific information is going to end up confused or disappointed. --
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New Xbox
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Weak keep and possibly refine to
Xbox One#Project Scorpio. I understand the nominator's concerns, here, and Tavix's—to some extent, this is always going to be a maintenance burden. But right now, a reader searching this is either looking for the most recent Xbox he or she could buy in a store or the upcoming Xbox. And right now, all of that information is on the Xbox One article. It may be better to leave readers at the top, with the TOC close at hand, but I would not oppose refining or deleting. --
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23:10, 22 January 2017 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was clearly no consensus to delete. The decision whether to retarget or convert to disambiguation is much closer but I think favors disambiguation.
Rossami(talk)05:12, 13 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete no such franchise list with common characters across multiple titles. Making a dab page would mean a bunch of PTMs.
AngusWOOF (
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18:22, 16 January 2017 (UTC) updated 22:48, 16 January 2017 (UTC)reply
It is not unreasonable for people to think we might have an single article about characters in the series rather than individual articles for characters in each edition, making this a likely search term and useful disambiguation page.
Thryduulf (
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21:03, 16 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Dabify or convert to set index - Let's not put the page go to waste. Instead, make the page useful as either list method. About the SIA thing, the whole title is closely related to the video game series (or franchise if you call it this way).
George Ho (
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10:48, 5 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Hmm... Is redundancy good or bad? Either way, redundancy is not generally a good reason for deletion. In fact, it may benefit those typing the whole descriptive titles. Having just the navbox at the bottom of a page is... kinda... not bad... just not good. Sometimes, a navbox may automatically collapse if it uses either "autocollapse" or "collapsed".
George Ho (
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03:40, 8 February 2017 (UTC); De-linked
WP:redundancy is good, which is about project pages generally. 03:42, 8 February 2017 (UTC)reply
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Outdoor Retreat
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Outdoor treat refers to a video game and this redirect is the result of a page move in 2015. The redirect is too vague in my opinion and would be difficult to find similar articles with the name.
st170e19:57, 13 January 2017 (UTC)reply
There's
Retreat (spiritual), but those aren't always outdoors, and it seems like there must be secular versions of this too. I see the nominator's point that this could
WP:SURPRISE, but what else is there to consider within Wikipedia? The title-case capitalization is a point in favor of the status quo too. --
BDD (
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22:01, 13 January 2017 (UTC)reply
An outdoor retreat would be suited more to a dictionary definition. Outdoor retreats are synonymous with
Retreat (spiritual) as
BDD has pointed out. I am seeing the benefits of sticking with the status quo and a hatnote to the Retreat article too, though.
st170e23:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete - I am the user who initially suggested this redirect's deletion to "st170e". As stated, the redirect is overly vague, and additionally it is highly unlikely that it would be the target of any links outside of Wikipedia. Of all the expansion packs for The Sims 4 which have their own articles, this is the only one which has a redirect for its name without the "The Sims 4" title. An earlier request that I made to have the other expansion packs for The Sims 4 have similar redirects created for them, which I made based on the existence of this redirect, was declined by "st170e", so for the sake of consistency I feel that if all the pages cannot have redirects for the shortened version of their names due to vagueness, none of them should have one.
114.75.78.136 (
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13:30, 14 January 2017 (UTC)reply
They'd have to be considered on a case-by-case basis. From a cursory search,
Get to Work seems fine to create. Nothing else jumped out to me in terms of competing usage.
Dine Out might be a different story. My Google search did show a lot of Sims related hits, but it's also a common enough phrase. Perhaps it's fine to create with a hatnote to
Dining in (unless I'm missing a more appropriate article). As an aside, simply saying
WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST isn't a reason to delete this redirect. --
Tavix(
talk)15:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Hmm, isn't that what we did with those Neelix redirects from a subtitle when they came up last year? I'll need to look into it more when I have time. What would you think about creating a new rcat at {{R from subtitle}} for situations like this? --
Tavix(
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@
Tavix: That probably needs to be done. But, just to make sure that it will not create duplication with another Rcat, best to ...
Keep but add a hatnote to
Retreat (disambiguation) per Tavix. There are no competing uses for this term that have an article, and while I can forsee there maybe being an article on the concept of places of peacefulness, holidaying or moving away from the city type uses (see also Escape to the Country) but they won't be at this title and will be listed on the disambiguation page.
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Imagine (song)
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. (
non-admin closure) - There are two crucial questions here, the first of which is whether the John Lennon song is the
primary topic for
Imagine (song). The view that it is the primary topic was implicit in the previous RM discussion, but it was challenged in the subsequent RfD, apparently without reaching consensus, and it was rehashed again now, backed up with what I see as strong arguments.
However, the second crucial question is what is to be done if it is the primary topic. One view, grounded in the general practice behind
WP:PRECISE and
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, is that
Imagine (John Lennon song) would need to be moved to
Imagine (song). There is no consensus for such a move now and one will have to be established by an RM. The opposing view, which seems to be allowed for at
WP:DABSONG as an exception, is that the John Lennon song will keep its overprecise title and
Imagine (song) will redirect to it. At present, there is no consensus for such an outcome either.
What is the way forward? Clearly, an RM would be warranted (although I don't see consensus that one should be procedurally started). A second RfD discussion would be warranted too, but in order for it to overcome the challenges to it legitimacy (which were behind the current "speedy close/send to RM" !votes), it will need to reach at least as wide an audience as the hypothetical RM. That would minimally be achieved by a notice on the talk page of
Imagine (John Lennon song), but I would also recommend advertising it more broadly - to relevant wikiprojects and/or on the talk page of
WP:NCM. –
Uanfala (talk)03:18, 8 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:
The John Lennon song is obviously the primary topic. The Lennon song "has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term" (quoted from
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC). For those reasons, I am in strong support of retargetting this to
Imagine (John Lennon song) and adding a hatnote at that article to
Imagine. --
Notecardforfree (
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03:10, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Send to RM This seems more like a requested move discussion. The John Lennon song was originally at this title, moved to (John Lennon song) in 2015 and then, shortly afterwards, the resulting redirect pointed to the disambiguation page. If we're redirecting (song) to (John Lennon song) then the article really should just be at (song) in the first place. That would need a requested move to reverse the previous one.
Thryduulf (
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12:12, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
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Tavix: I disagree. If "Imagine (song)" redirects to "Imagine (John Lennon song)" then the article is the primary topic for "Imagine (song)" and so should be at that title (per
WP:PRECISE, and probably other disambiguation policies/guidelines). If it isn't the primary topic for "Imagine (song)" then things should stay as they are. Given the current set-up is the result of an RM consensus it requires an RM consensus to reverse.
Thryduulf (
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15:24, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Those are arguments for RM and should be independent of this discussion. There was an RM over this already,
here. If you want to open another RM, go ahead and make those arguments there, but this is not the place to do so. --
Tavix(
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Keep / send to RM per Thryduulf. "Imagine (song)" shouldn't redirect to "Imagine (John Lennon song)" any more than "Imagine" should redirect to "Imagine (song)". --
BDD (
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22:17, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Based on a single user's comment from several years ago, when PDAB was an attempt to change naming policy instead of just an essay? Ok. Great. PRIMARYTOPIC be damned! --
BDD (
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22:38, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
I cannot see why such a move is necessary at this juncture. The courteous thing to do would have been to open a requested move at
Talk:Imagine (John Lennon album), something you did not do. It's also somewhat undermining the rationale I gave here, and I find it extraordinary that you think the action you performed was non-controversial.--
Nevé–selbert23:29, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
It was reverting an undiscussed move. I will apologize for apparently misreading your nomination statement, however; I thought the implication behind "Note also that Imagine (album) redirects to Imagine (John Lennon album)" was that that was a situation that needed rectifying. Indeed, the status quo flies in the face of
WP:PRECISE,
WP:D, and
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but what's a few broken policies and guidelines between friends? --
BDD (
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14:35, 13 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep (and disagree with moving the article). Primary topics are often shaky. When in doubt, put the article at a name that is sufficiently disambiguated from all other Wikipedia articles. When in doubt, disambiguate rather than point to most prominent topic.
Deryck C.22:32, 28 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Speedily close and send to RM. This isn't just out-of-scope for RfC, it's
shopping/rehash of previous RMs and against
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (music). I would expect the RM to be speedily closed as well, honestly.
Imagine (John Lennon song) is regularly cited against attempts to move song articles to be alleged PRIMARY topics on the basis of being in the charts this month. RfD doesn't exist to go for end-runs around RM precedent and NC guidelines. —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 22:56, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
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It's not just a matter of having enough coverage for a redirect, but about there being an appropriate target for people using the redirect to find out about it. It isn't mentioned at the
Brexit article so someone landing there via this redirect will likely just be confused.
Thryduulf (
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01:51, 1 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Weak retarget to
Malapropism#Real-life examples per Thryduulf as this is given as an example there. But on the other hand, this is just given as an example, any such example could be replaced by another one in the future, and its treatment there is by necessity too incidental and brief to strongly warrant the existence of a redirect. –
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Currently, all references to "registration" at
Conscription are about the United States. Will readers searching these terms be satisfied? How do other countries conscript—is the US unique in its registration system? --
BDD (
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19:55, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
If you narrow your search to simply "register", you'll find a hit for China: Citizens 18 years of age are required to register in PLA offices, but policy not enforced. Policy exempted in Hong Kong and Macao. Netherlands also mentions a registration, although it's done automatically: to this day, every male and female citizen aged 17 gets a letter in which he is told that he has been registered but does not have to present himself for service. --
Tavix(
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Great, Panzerkampfwagen! I think I agree with AngusWOOF's suggestion. Draft registration is a subtopic of conscription generally. This will make a good start for a standalone article on conscription in China. --
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List of English suffixes
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soft redirect to
Wikt:Appendix:English suffixes. The 410 page views last year confirm my suspicion that this is a very likely thing people will be looking for, and while Wikipedia doesn't have such a list Wiktionary does so we should help people to find it.
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Delete. This does not appear to be the subject's name. The most prominent individual in my search results was a member of the administrative staff of Leicester Cathedral and Leicester College who does not rise to the level notability.
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Delete. This was apparently created after a spammy article about an SEO contest was deleted, and then protected to prevent further creations (I'm not sure if salting existed back then).
Thryduulf (
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09:17, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete. Not mentioned at target and implausible. If this recipe calls for a dash of salt, I'm fine with that too, though I'd be somewhat surprised if anyone came back a decade later to create spam at this title. --
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The result of the discussion was delete uncontested and other foreign language redirects in project space have been deleted recently by consensus so this seems uncontroversial.
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Wall of meat
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weak keep. The phrase seems to have garnered significant news coverage and is mentioned in the article. I have my doubts that the target group is notable (and the existence of a notability tag means I'm not alone) but while the article exists this redirect seems not inappropriate. If the target is deleted this will be speedy deleted per
WP:CSD#G8.
Thryduulf (
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01:26, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
delete (was weak keep) I get DrFleischman's point, and I only made the redirect because I thought some readers might search for the phrase - and be happy to find that it referred to the pro-Trump biker group. But maybe it only mattered for the few days before and after the inauguration? In the old days I often would create a page and promptly move it - leaving a redirect - because my primary motivation was to help readers find the articles they're looking for. --
Uncle Ed (
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02:55, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Actually that shows that human readers were helped 8 times in 28 days. I see no good reasons to make it harder for people to find the content they are obviously looking for.
Thryduulf (
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13:48, 31 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete Not mentioned at the target page, so unlikely to leave readers any more informed than they already were, and likely to leave them confused. On a more subjective measure, I follow American politics pretty obsessively and haven't heard the phrase, which makes me think it's an unlikely search term. --
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16:25, 8 February 2017 (UTC)reply
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