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On 29 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Revolver (album). The result of the discussion was not moved. |
I don't believe this lead is very good (its waffling has annoyed me for a while) so I'm just going to list why I made these changes and maybe we can find some compromise
Second paragraph
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ilil ( talk) 15:43, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
As a musician, I don't buy the claim that the opening of this song changes time signatures from 9/8, 7/8, to 4/4. The phrase is clearly just a free time musical introduction. It's silly to try to count this out in the manner the author presents. In fact, I can find nothing, anywhere, to corroborate this piece of misinformation.
Jaco66 ( talk) 00:04, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Paul's own statement in his semi-autobiography Many Years From Now, that he first took LSD in 1966 with Tara Browne, and George's Anthology statement that the others had been trying to make Paul take it for about eighteen months, seem to support the idea that Paul was the only Beatles member not having taken the drug during the recording of Revolver.
The BeatlesBible's History entry for 13 December 1965 tells a different story, however, with people present at the Browne residence, such as wife Nicky and Viv Prince as sources: <<Paul McCartney later stated a belief that he first tried LSD in 1966. Viv Prince, however, confirmed to Beatles biographer Steve Turner that the event took place the night after the Beatles’ final UK tour date.>>
If Paul first took LSD eighteen months after John and George, it would have been weeks or just days before Tara Browne's death[18 December 1966], which itself would have been noteworthy. And Paul doesn't go into much detail about his feelings towards Tara's death, which at least suggests they didn't spend much time together during Tara's last few months. Paul's moped accident in Liverpool on 26 December 1965 was also in the company of Tara.
It took a further 15 months before Paul took LSD with any of the other Beatles, nearly two years after John and George were spiked by their dentist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.203.22.129 ( talk) 11:31, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
I have read the critical reception of the US publications in the article, and they all seem to be very positive. I don't think that the "less so in the US" is accurate. Isaacsorry ( talk) 09:14, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
@ JG66: (Response to this revert) I do understand your point, and it'd be correct to state that TNK may have been the first track recorded with a "live" Leslie vocal, however, Babiuk isn't making the distinction that you're suggesting here.
"The Revolver sessions saw a variety of new recording techniques created for and first used by The Beatles. One of Emerick's ideas for a new vocal sound was to run a microphone through a Leslie rotating-speaker cabinet. He devised a way to do this where the Leslie was miked-up and fed back to tape."
The description of Emerick's technique ends there. Nothing about these steps in the process would've changed had Lennon pre-recorded his vocal. If he had, Emerick still would've needed to route a dry signal to be played out of a Leslie's rotating speaker and then captured with a microphone. The distinction between a live performance and a pre-recorded track is clearly not factored in Babiuk's analysis – and really, why would it? Does anyone care about the first times that bands used an effect like flanging live-to-tape versus pre-recorded? No, that's just pedantry... The only argument he's trying to make is that TNK was the first recorded use of Leslie'd vocal sounds, and we know he's wrong! ili ( talk) 16:10, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
I find "Made with only minimal contributions from Starr and McCartney, ". So, what contribution did Lennon make? Carlm0404 ( talk) 00:32, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi there! In the "Track listing" section, edits from various IP addresses have been reformatting the way Harrison is credited as a songwriter, and I've been reverting them. I don't want to be edit warring, so I'm coming here to try to gain consensus for how the section should be formatted. Thanks! GoingBatty ( talk) 04:07, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
For consistency are we going to do the same on other Beatles albums? Though admittedly most of them don't contain as many as three Harrison compositions. MFlet1 ( talk) 13:00, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
According to Variety, there seems to be a Revolver box set coming this fall. Giles Martin has publicly acknowledged it on Twitter, so I think there’s a fair chance of it being true. blueskiesdry … (cloudy contribs…) 12:26, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
The 2022 reissue needs to be discussed. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:47, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Done I have added a section linking to its corresponding article. Alexcalamaro ( talk) 19:11, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Just read the entry for 'Reissues.' I believe this sentence is incorrect:
"In 2009, Apple and EMI reissued remastered versions of the Beatles albums on CD."
The 2009 release wasn't a reissue of remastered versions of Revolver; it was an initial issue of a newly remastered version of Revolver. I suggest replacing "reissued" with '...issued remastered versions....'
Or am I just being a nitpicking ass? 🤡 Smbrannon ( talk) 07:43, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. Just a bit nervous to edit such an important page. 🙂 Smbrannon ( talk) 07:05, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
There’s obviously simply really no other album named “Revolver” that’s famous just as this one. So, there’s really no need to add the fact that this is a Beatles album in the title since the reader will probably Already know that. Plus, if someone was to type in simply “Revolver (album)”, it would feel redundant due to the need of writing an extra “Beatles” and this page’s title already, although literally with just 3 words, could be arguably a bit wordy. Please do NOT change the article’s title until further discussion. Will post this again in case any1 misses it. Please chat/discuss or contact me!!!!!!! A banner on the article should appear as usual about this. Tengoritmo ( talk) 01:28, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
George Harrison (third from left) is seen holding a transparency of the controversial "butcher cover" for Yesterday and Today.
No he isn't. He's holding a coloured filter (gel) for the lights on the photo shoot. You can see all of the Beatles playing with these more clearly in other photos from the same shoot, e.g. in the 2022 CD booklet. Robert Whitaker's transparencies for the Yesterday and Today cover were ordinary photographic diapositives, I'd imagine. 176.85.135.222 ( talk) 18:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: withdrawn. The discussion has only been open for a day, but the consensus seems pretty clear already, so I'm withdrawing this proposal per WP:RMCI#Early closure. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
In summary: current guidance allows for partially disambiguated titles when one topic is primary by a sufficient margin, and I believe this album has met that threshold. ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 17:15, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky ( talk) 15:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Revolver (Beatles album) → Revolver (album) – Reviving PDAB discussion as this album taking ~97% of the pageviews to albums titled "Revolver" (a ~28:1 pageview ratio to both Revolver (The Haunted album) and Revolver (T-Pain album) combined) and this album's long-term significance strongly suggest WP:PDABPRIMARY. JohnCWiesenthal ( talk) 06:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
a lead of less than 1 in 20 is nearly enough for partial disambiguation; however, that should not apply here as it is now ~28:1.
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Consensus per this RfC closure and this RfM closure is to use "the Beatles" mid-sentence. |
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On 29 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Revolver (album). The result of the discussion was not moved. |
I don't believe this lead is very good (its waffling has annoyed me for a while) so I'm just going to list why I made these changes and maybe we can find some compromise
Second paragraph
Third paragraph'
Fourth paragraph
ilil ( talk) 15:43, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
As a musician, I don't buy the claim that the opening of this song changes time signatures from 9/8, 7/8, to 4/4. The phrase is clearly just a free time musical introduction. It's silly to try to count this out in the manner the author presents. In fact, I can find nothing, anywhere, to corroborate this piece of misinformation.
Jaco66 ( talk) 00:04, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Paul's own statement in his semi-autobiography Many Years From Now, that he first took LSD in 1966 with Tara Browne, and George's Anthology statement that the others had been trying to make Paul take it for about eighteen months, seem to support the idea that Paul was the only Beatles member not having taken the drug during the recording of Revolver.
The BeatlesBible's History entry for 13 December 1965 tells a different story, however, with people present at the Browne residence, such as wife Nicky and Viv Prince as sources: <<Paul McCartney later stated a belief that he first tried LSD in 1966. Viv Prince, however, confirmed to Beatles biographer Steve Turner that the event took place the night after the Beatles’ final UK tour date.>>
If Paul first took LSD eighteen months after John and George, it would have been weeks or just days before Tara Browne's death[18 December 1966], which itself would have been noteworthy. And Paul doesn't go into much detail about his feelings towards Tara's death, which at least suggests they didn't spend much time together during Tara's last few months. Paul's moped accident in Liverpool on 26 December 1965 was also in the company of Tara.
It took a further 15 months before Paul took LSD with any of the other Beatles, nearly two years after John and George were spiked by their dentist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.203.22.129 ( talk) 11:31, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
I have read the critical reception of the US publications in the article, and they all seem to be very positive. I don't think that the "less so in the US" is accurate. Isaacsorry ( talk) 09:14, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
@ JG66: (Response to this revert) I do understand your point, and it'd be correct to state that TNK may have been the first track recorded with a "live" Leslie vocal, however, Babiuk isn't making the distinction that you're suggesting here.
"The Revolver sessions saw a variety of new recording techniques created for and first used by The Beatles. One of Emerick's ideas for a new vocal sound was to run a microphone through a Leslie rotating-speaker cabinet. He devised a way to do this where the Leslie was miked-up and fed back to tape."
The description of Emerick's technique ends there. Nothing about these steps in the process would've changed had Lennon pre-recorded his vocal. If he had, Emerick still would've needed to route a dry signal to be played out of a Leslie's rotating speaker and then captured with a microphone. The distinction between a live performance and a pre-recorded track is clearly not factored in Babiuk's analysis – and really, why would it? Does anyone care about the first times that bands used an effect like flanging live-to-tape versus pre-recorded? No, that's just pedantry... The only argument he's trying to make is that TNK was the first recorded use of Leslie'd vocal sounds, and we know he's wrong! ili ( talk) 16:10, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
I find "Made with only minimal contributions from Starr and McCartney, ". So, what contribution did Lennon make? Carlm0404 ( talk) 00:32, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi there! In the "Track listing" section, edits from various IP addresses have been reformatting the way Harrison is credited as a songwriter, and I've been reverting them. I don't want to be edit warring, so I'm coming here to try to gain consensus for how the section should be formatted. Thanks! GoingBatty ( talk) 04:07, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
For consistency are we going to do the same on other Beatles albums? Though admittedly most of them don't contain as many as three Harrison compositions. MFlet1 ( talk) 13:00, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
According to Variety, there seems to be a Revolver box set coming this fall. Giles Martin has publicly acknowledged it on Twitter, so I think there’s a fair chance of it being true. blueskiesdry … (cloudy contribs…) 12:26, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
The 2022 reissue needs to be discussed. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:47, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Done I have added a section linking to its corresponding article. Alexcalamaro ( talk) 19:11, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Just read the entry for 'Reissues.' I believe this sentence is incorrect:
"In 2009, Apple and EMI reissued remastered versions of the Beatles albums on CD."
The 2009 release wasn't a reissue of remastered versions of Revolver; it was an initial issue of a newly remastered version of Revolver. I suggest replacing "reissued" with '...issued remastered versions....'
Or am I just being a nitpicking ass? 🤡 Smbrannon ( talk) 07:43, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. Just a bit nervous to edit such an important page. 🙂 Smbrannon ( talk) 07:05, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
There’s obviously simply really no other album named “Revolver” that’s famous just as this one. So, there’s really no need to add the fact that this is a Beatles album in the title since the reader will probably Already know that. Plus, if someone was to type in simply “Revolver (album)”, it would feel redundant due to the need of writing an extra “Beatles” and this page’s title already, although literally with just 3 words, could be arguably a bit wordy. Please do NOT change the article’s title until further discussion. Will post this again in case any1 misses it. Please chat/discuss or contact me!!!!!!! A banner on the article should appear as usual about this. Tengoritmo ( talk) 01:28, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
George Harrison (third from left) is seen holding a transparency of the controversial "butcher cover" for Yesterday and Today.
No he isn't. He's holding a coloured filter (gel) for the lights on the photo shoot. You can see all of the Beatles playing with these more clearly in other photos from the same shoot, e.g. in the 2022 CD booklet. Robert Whitaker's transparencies for the Yesterday and Today cover were ordinary photographic diapositives, I'd imagine. 176.85.135.222 ( talk) 18:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: withdrawn. The discussion has only been open for a day, but the consensus seems pretty clear already, so I'm withdrawing this proposal per WP:RMCI#Early closure. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
In summary: current guidance allows for partially disambiguated titles when one topic is primary by a sufficient margin, and I believe this album has met that threshold. ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 17:15, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky ( talk) 15:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Revolver (Beatles album) → Revolver (album) – Reviving PDAB discussion as this album taking ~97% of the pageviews to albums titled "Revolver" (a ~28:1 pageview ratio to both Revolver (The Haunted album) and Revolver (T-Pain album) combined) and this album's long-term significance strongly suggest WP:PDABPRIMARY. JohnCWiesenthal ( talk) 06:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
a lead of less than 1 in 20 is nearly enough for partial disambiguation; however, that should not apply here as it is now ~28:1.