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October 18

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 18, 2016.

Brian kelly album redirects

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 29#Brian kelly album redirects

Template:PD-Soviet

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was restore Template:PD-USSR and mark as historical; retarget the other three to Template:PD-USSR. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:50, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Copyvios are not in the public domain. Also, {{ copyvio}} is not the right way to claim that images violate copyright. Ppp ery 20:39, 8 October 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Restore and mark as historical. It seems like these templates were the subject of a long debate back in 2006, as evidenced by the talk page at Template talk:PD-USSR as well the histories of the redirects. Seeing how many old talk page archives link to the relevant talk pages, we shouldn't be breaking these links, but instead providing the context for why those links existed in the first place. Mark them historical to avoid confusion and preserve the history of the debate. ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 00:42, 9 October 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep or possibly restore since this is a particular case of wanting to preserve a bunch of discussions... although... I'm really not sure about this. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 07:57, 16 October 2016 (UTC) reply
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Appelsína

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 02:16, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

I never thought I'd post here again since I have left Wikipedia a long time ago, but this needs to go. Because Wikipedia is not a dictionary. In fact if I could speedy delete it I would, but I can't since the redirect is a decade old. Blaze The Movie Fan ( talk) 13:40, 8 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Wikipedia does have navigational aids based on foreign words. They are called Wikipedia:Interlanguage links: redirects are not a substitute for those. We have to assume some basic reader competence, e.g. that an Elbonian speaker will look up an Elbonian-language term at Elbonian Wikipedia. But even if they do look it up first at English Wikipedia, they are probably served just as well if not better by search results, especially because definitions of words seldom have a one-to-one mapping between languages, or that other WPs place different emphasis on what is a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.
The problem is not just one of ambiguity but how different languages organise their WPs; what they consider "primary" and so on. For example the common word "orange" in Hungarian is narancs for both the fruit and the colour. Now, as it happens, hu:narancs is not a DAB (there isn't one, nor an article about the colour) but an article which links to English en:Citrus_×_sinensis, because English has an article about the fruit and a separate one about the plant, but HU:WP doesn't. Let's suppose we had narancs in English Wikipedia to "make it easy" for Hungarians: should it go to Orange (fruit) or Citrus_×_sinensis or Orange (colour) or the DAB at orange which includes meanings like War of the Oranges ( hu:Narancsok háborúja) or for that matter Magyar Narancs?
These problems are avoided by not having the redirects, per WP:XY, and letting search do it. And orange and narancs are cognates so making those decisions would probably be relatively easy compared to the general case. Si Trew ( talk) 11:12, 11 October 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment I've boldly changed it the target in the nom (I checked, the R has always directed to the fruit. No changes have been made to the target since this listing, either.) Si Trew ( talk) 11:12, 11 October 2016 (UTC) reply
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Hopper 7

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 16:07, 29 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Not mentioned in article. This was my first search result, this was the first result related to the article topic. SST flyer 09:59, 11 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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Microsoft China

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 02:19, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Not the same topic, clearly misleading for Microsoft's operations in China are not restricted to MSN. We have Google China, for example, so WP:REDLINK delete. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 09:54, 11 October 2016 (UTC) reply

The difference is that there is an entity called Google China. The nearest I can find is " Microsoft (China) Co., Ltd". Perhaps both should re-target to subsidiaries of Microsoft? All the best: Rich  Farmbrough, 22:11, 14 October 2016 (UTC). reply
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Hindu Democrats

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:42, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Not mentioned at the target article or anywhere else. BDD ( talk) 19:58, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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Sports notability

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 16:05, 29 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Delete per WP:R#DELETE No. 6: Newly-created cross-namespace redirect to WP namespace. No reason an exception would be needed here. — Bagumba ( talk) 18:02, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep Per WP:CHEAP I believe it is quicker and less work to just type in sports notability. This is especially useful to individuals who are new to wikipedia or new to this portion of wiki. BlackAmerican ( talk) 18:50, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. The argument about cross-namespace redirects being useful for new users is a valid one, but it only really works for targets that will be of use for people who have not yet learned about namespaces. Specific notability criteria are at least one or two steps beyond that level. Arguments about being quicker and easier to type have generally been rejected in the past absent other reasons to keep. Thryduulf ( talk) 11:57, 20 October 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - per above and WP:CNSR.—  Godsy ( TALK CONT) 03:01, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply
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Donnold Trump

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:41, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Implausible typo, for there is no such spelling variation. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:31, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Just as an FYI, Don Trump is his son. -- Tavix ( talk) 20:25, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply
Cool, just like Ron Reagan. AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 20:30, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply
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Hillary-Rodham-Clinton

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:38, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Unlikely spelling, not plausible. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:24, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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Hillary Rodman

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:37, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Not a valid synonym, misleading as there are people with this name. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:23, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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H. Clinton

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HillaryRodhamClinton

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:36, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Not a valid CamelCase redirect. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:16, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:32, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Implausible search term, combination of two. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:14, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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2004 Republican Presidential Nominee

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 27#2004 Republican Presidential Nominee

Barack Hussein

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The result of the discussion was keep. ( non-admin closure) —  Godsy ( TALK CONT) 02:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Per Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_October_17#Hillary_Diane. This one has never had an RfD before but IDK why it is semi protected. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:10, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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October 18

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 18, 2016.

Brian kelly album redirects

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 29#Brian kelly album redirects

Template:PD-Soviet

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was restore Template:PD-USSR and mark as historical; retarget the other three to Template:PD-USSR. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:50, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Copyvios are not in the public domain. Also, {{ copyvio}} is not the right way to claim that images violate copyright. Ppp ery 20:39, 8 October 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Restore and mark as historical. It seems like these templates were the subject of a long debate back in 2006, as evidenced by the talk page at Template talk:PD-USSR as well the histories of the redirects. Seeing how many old talk page archives link to the relevant talk pages, we shouldn't be breaking these links, but instead providing the context for why those links existed in the first place. Mark them historical to avoid confusion and preserve the history of the debate. ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 00:42, 9 October 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep or possibly restore since this is a particular case of wanting to preserve a bunch of discussions... although... I'm really not sure about this. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 07:57, 16 October 2016 (UTC) reply
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Appelsína

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 02:16, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

I never thought I'd post here again since I have left Wikipedia a long time ago, but this needs to go. Because Wikipedia is not a dictionary. In fact if I could speedy delete it I would, but I can't since the redirect is a decade old. Blaze The Movie Fan ( talk) 13:40, 8 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Wikipedia does have navigational aids based on foreign words. They are called Wikipedia:Interlanguage links: redirects are not a substitute for those. We have to assume some basic reader competence, e.g. that an Elbonian speaker will look up an Elbonian-language term at Elbonian Wikipedia. But even if they do look it up first at English Wikipedia, they are probably served just as well if not better by search results, especially because definitions of words seldom have a one-to-one mapping between languages, or that other WPs place different emphasis on what is a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.
The problem is not just one of ambiguity but how different languages organise their WPs; what they consider "primary" and so on. For example the common word "orange" in Hungarian is narancs for both the fruit and the colour. Now, as it happens, hu:narancs is not a DAB (there isn't one, nor an article about the colour) but an article which links to English en:Citrus_×_sinensis, because English has an article about the fruit and a separate one about the plant, but HU:WP doesn't. Let's suppose we had narancs in English Wikipedia to "make it easy" for Hungarians: should it go to Orange (fruit) or Citrus_×_sinensis or Orange (colour) or the DAB at orange which includes meanings like War of the Oranges ( hu:Narancsok háborúja) or for that matter Magyar Narancs?
These problems are avoided by not having the redirects, per WP:XY, and letting search do it. And orange and narancs are cognates so making those decisions would probably be relatively easy compared to the general case. Si Trew ( talk) 11:12, 11 October 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment I've boldly changed it the target in the nom (I checked, the R has always directed to the fruit. No changes have been made to the target since this listing, either.) Si Trew ( talk) 11:12, 11 October 2016 (UTC) reply
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Hopper 7

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 16:07, 29 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Not mentioned in article. This was my first search result, this was the first result related to the article topic. SST flyer 09:59, 11 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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Microsoft China

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 02:19, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Not the same topic, clearly misleading for Microsoft's operations in China are not restricted to MSN. We have Google China, for example, so WP:REDLINK delete. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 09:54, 11 October 2016 (UTC) reply

The difference is that there is an entity called Google China. The nearest I can find is " Microsoft (China) Co., Ltd". Perhaps both should re-target to subsidiaries of Microsoft? All the best: Rich  Farmbrough, 22:11, 14 October 2016 (UTC). reply
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Hindu Democrats

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:42, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Not mentioned at the target article or anywhere else. BDD ( talk) 19:58, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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Sports notability

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 16:05, 29 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Delete per WP:R#DELETE No. 6: Newly-created cross-namespace redirect to WP namespace. No reason an exception would be needed here. — Bagumba ( talk) 18:02, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep Per WP:CHEAP I believe it is quicker and less work to just type in sports notability. This is especially useful to individuals who are new to wikipedia or new to this portion of wiki. BlackAmerican ( talk) 18:50, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. The argument about cross-namespace redirects being useful for new users is a valid one, but it only really works for targets that will be of use for people who have not yet learned about namespaces. Specific notability criteria are at least one or two steps beyond that level. Arguments about being quicker and easier to type have generally been rejected in the past absent other reasons to keep. Thryduulf ( talk) 11:57, 20 October 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - per above and WP:CNSR.—  Godsy ( TALK CONT) 03:01, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply
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Donnold Trump

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:41, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Implausible typo, for there is no such spelling variation. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:31, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Just as an FYI, Don Trump is his son. -- Tavix ( talk) 20:25, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply
Cool, just like Ron Reagan. AngusWOOF ( barksniff) 20:30, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply
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Hillary-Rodham-Clinton

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:38, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Unlikely spelling, not plausible. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:24, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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Hillary Rodman

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:37, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Not a valid synonym, misleading as there are people with this name. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:23, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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H. Clinton

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HillaryRodhamClinton

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:36, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Not a valid CamelCase redirect. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:16, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ( talk) 01:32, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Implausible search term, combination of two. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:14, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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2004 Republican Presidential Nominee

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Barack Hussein

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The result of the discussion was keep. ( non-admin closure) —  Godsy ( TALK CONT) 02:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Per Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_October_17#Hillary_Diane. This one has never had an RfD before but IDK why it is semi protected. - Champion ( talk) ( contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:10, 18 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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