July 30
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Do not revert during talk page discussions
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Just Chilling (
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23:33, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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WP:CNR Not for article readership -
The
ChampionMan
1234
23:29, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.
WP:XNR to non-reader content --
67.70.32.190 (
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06:09, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Since
Wikipedia:Do not revert during talk page discussions doesn't exist, I thought about recommending moving without leaving a redirect, but I'm not sure what connection that admonishment has with the idea of consensus. The phrasing is a bit oblique too. --
BDD (
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13:31, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete from mainspace per
WP:CNR, clearly. As a project-space redirect, I think that
Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Editing comments would be a better target.
Ivanvector 🍁 (
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14:00, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete as above. Per
WP:CONCISE, "
Do not revert during discussions" would be a better title anyway.
Si Trew (
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16:59, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --
Lenticel (
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00:17, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete -
WP:CNSR. Not necessarily an accurate statement anyhow.—
Godsy(
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04:10, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
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Self-proclaimed psychic
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The Anome. --
BDD (
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16:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
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This was only used to link to
Liar/
Charlatan from the lede of
Uri Geller in a non-obvious way. —
Ruud
23:01, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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Sperance
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Just Chilling (
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23:35, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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The redirect is not mentioned in its target article. Also, I have been looking around for some sort of definition of the redirect term on search engines, and I cannot find any.
Steel1943 (
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20:10, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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Ad
Senator from Comcast
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Just Chilling (
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23:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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Cited as a "common nickname" for Specter in its creation summary, this phrase nevertheless doesn't appear on his article. The "Senator from [Company]" (and variants) epithet is not uncommon in politics, but I was surprised we don't have any other instances of it.
Henry M. Jackson was commonly known as
Senator from Boeing, which is mentioned at his article but not a redirect. During the
2008 primary there were media reports that Obama's camp called Hillary Clinton "Senator from Punjab", though the actual phrasing was written "(D-Punjab)". That one's not mentioned on her article, and probably shouldn't be. --
BDD (
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18:04, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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- No, not in American English. While, for example,
Chuck Schumer is a Senator for New York, in a sense, the much more common way of putting it would be "Senator from New York". (That form is used in the article's lede, in fact.) --
BDD (
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13:30, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Hmmm, thanks for that: that's definitely an
WP:ENGVAR, then.
Si Trew (
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17:05, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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Scott Hoeflich
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Just Chilling (
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23:38, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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This person served as Specter's chief of staff, but he isn't mentioned at Specter's article. Hoeflich is still alive and may be notable in his own right, but for now, this redirect isn't helping anyone.
BDD (
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18:00, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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Acidobacterium
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- The result of the discussion was retarget to
Acidobacteriaceae. (
non-admin closure)
Steel1943 (
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22:23, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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This redirect incorrectly links the genus Acidobacterium to the Acidobacteria phylum; these are not synonymous taxa.
Teixiptla (
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00:43, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Comment is genus Acidobacterium a member of the phylum Acidobacteria ? If so, it would still be appropriate as a {{
R from subtopic}}. Is there a higher level taxon that Acidobacterium belongs to that we have an article on? Though you could just convert the redirect into a short stub article instead. --
67.70.32.20 (
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07:26, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Retarget to
Acidobacteriaceae. It's very uncommon to have a genus redirect to its phylum, but a genus redirecting to its family is not so odd. Here, there's also substantial potential for confusion, since the redirect just appears to be the singular form of the target article; that's probably why it was created in the first place. We'll eventually want an Acidobacterium article, but this will be a substantial improvement in the meantime. I'm tagging with {{
R with possibilities}}. --
BDD (
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14:21, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.Relisting comment: There are multiple options on what should be done with this redirect; one option is to keep it where it is (possibly) per the comment, and the option for retargetting. More discussion regarding these two options may be needed. (Also, thank you
Tavix for completing this Relist: real life got in the way for longer than I expected.)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Steel1943 (
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16:02, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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- I figured it was something like that. I just didn't want another
Bill Cunningham (politician) incident, so I thought I'd step in and finish it just in case. --
Tavix (
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16:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Generally, if you're going to make a redirect from a
taxon, you're going to have it point to the taxon one up in the hierarchy. Species to genus, order to class, etc. The main reason to deviate from that would be for
monotypic taxa. If Acidobacteria only had one class, which had one order, which had one family, which had one genus Acidobacterium, it might make sense to redirect this way and discuss them all in one place. --
BDD (
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17:11, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Comment the nearest supertopic for this subtopic is the family article, so is a closer match than the phylum article, thus being a better redirect target --
67.70.32.190 (
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03:52, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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Chunghwa Yinmin Konghwaguk
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- The result of the discussion was retarget the first two to
Names of China#People's Republic of China, and delete the third. The first two are romanizations of a term used at that article, while the third is a more general term that consensus has judged FORRED to apply to. --
BDD (
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19:46, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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At the
suggestion of
67.70.32.190, I have split these redirects and re-grouped by target, for ease of commenting. These are Asian-target redirects from the
Leondeon IP. These are nominated separately because it's possible this is a known
pidgin dialect and as such these targets could possibly have an affinity for this language/dialect, however I think they are still of limited use to an English audience and propose deletion. I will restate rationale in the new grouped threads in a moment.
Ivanvector 🍁 (
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16:35, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
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Yilbon
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Names of Japan#Other East Asian nations. --
BDD (
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19:41, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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At the
suggestion of
67.70.32.190, I have split these redirects and re-grouped by target, for ease of commenting. These are Asian-target redirects from the
Leondeon IP. These are nominated separately because it's possible this is a known
pidgin dialect and as such these targets could possibly have an affinity for this language/dialect, however I think they are still of limited use to an English audience and propose deletion. I will restate rationale in the new grouped threads in a moment.
Ivanvector 🍁 (
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16:35, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Weak keep Ilbon (a plausible romanization of the Korean for "Japan"), since it's getting plenty of hits and Japan is arguably a Korea-related topic. No opinion on Yilbon, which isn't getting nearly as many hits.
Sideways713 (
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19:05, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
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- If Ilbon is a plausible romanization, is Yilbon also? Or a plausible misspelling?
Ivanvector 🍁 (
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22:21, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Retarget both per Sideways713. Using the other redirects we've been discussing as examples, it seems that "Il" and "Yil" are interchangeable in this Romanization system when they start a word. Ilbon is explained at that target, Yilbon is plausible enough.
Ivanvector 🍁 (
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19:54, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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-
Ivanvector, you meant "per TheChampionMan1234", right? Sideways713 supported keeping. --
BDD (
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13:39, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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- Yes, that's what I meant.
Ivanvector 🍁 (
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13:49, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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Bearbrass
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History of Melbourne. --
BDD (
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13:37, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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Name of non-notable business, not mentioned at target apart from one reference. -
The
ChampionMan
1234
00:12, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
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- @
BDD: "Before being officially named, the town had several interim names — including Batmania, Bearbrass, Bareport, Bareheep, Barehurp and Bareberp (in June 1835)." I think the issue with expanding upon any of the villages, is that there may not be much reliable info available, except from sources that consist of lore and speculation. I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject though, perhaps I'm incorrect. —
Godsy(
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02:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Retarget to
History of Melbourne per Godsy. I'm surprised it's not mentioned at
Foundation of Melbourne... Would an "interim" name like this be a {{
R from former name}}? --
Tavix (
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01:59, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
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- I'd say it would, yes: or perhaps
{{
R from historic name}}
(which should really be {{
R from historical name}}
, which redirects there: there is nothing particularly historic about the name). Whichever way, nothing says they have to be official names.
Si Trew (
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12:03, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
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Use of the word America
«Aeroflot»
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BDD (
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19:40, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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The «/» symbols combined with English title is implausible. -
The
ChampionMan
1234
04:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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*Delete as is implausible.
Rubbish
computer
08:56, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep as plausible - @
TheChampionMan1234: @
67.70.32.190: @
Rubbish computer: In Russian it's common to put common names in quotes. I created this redirect since some Russians also do this in English. For example
in this page by
Rossiya Airlines it shows the names of the airlines and air programs in quotes.
- In English this practice is plausible because Russians do the same thing once they start using English:
- "
About Us": "Today «Rossiya Airlines» is the largest state aviation enterprise and the leading airline in the North-West region of Russian Federation"
- "
History": "On 28 January 2011 "Rossiya airlines" open joint stock company was established in St.Petersburg. " (they use the English-style quotes here)
- Example from S7 Airlines: "
S7 Airlines: "From 2005 “Siberia” Airlines has been operating flights under the S7 Airlines brand." and "In February 2004 the airline was awarded in the «Market Leader» category by the American Air Transport World magazine, a prestigious magazine in the aviation sphere, and a year earlier the airline had been the first in the Russian civil aviation winner of the Flight International Aerospace Awards of the Flight International magazine (Great Britain) in the «Corporate Strategy» category."
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WhisperToMe (
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09:43, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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- With two types of quotes that fail MoS, which requires straight quotation marks.
Si Trew (
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13:34, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Found examples from Aeroflot in
this document: "JOINT STOCK COMPANY «AEROFLOT - RUSSIAN AIRLINES”" (page 1/54) and a bunch of different forms on p. 3/54 -- p. 4/54 says: "The Company in the capacity of the legal successor is the proprietor of «Aeroflot» trademark."
WhisperToMe (
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11:19, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep: If it is plausibly used in such a way when writing in English.
Rubbish
computer
09:47, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete.
WP:TITLESPECIALCHARACTERS applies, since
guillemets do not appear on any standard English-layout keyboard (and I have both US and UK ones, as well as Belgian and Hungarian ones). Whatever the kinds of quote, these should also be avoided: we don't have
"Aeroflot" or
'Aeroflot' or
“Aeroflot” õr
„Aeroflot” so I don't see why we should have
guillemets.
WP:NOTENGLISH, even if it appears in text that is English, these symbols are not. In the refs you gave, the quotation marks should have also been translated into English punctuation (as I do for example when translating from French here at WP). MoS recommends straight quotes:
MOS:QUOTEMARKS, and explicitly does not recommend curly quotes, guillemets and low-high quote marks. What applies to article text applies to titles, even moreso.
Si Trew (
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13:28, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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- @
SimonTrew: It's meant to be aimed at Russians who are contributing to the English Wikipedia, not native English speakers using western keyboards. Russians be more likely to use the guillemets since they do have keyboards with those on there, and they may unconsciously use them when writing in English. You said that "In the refs you gave, the quotation marks should have also been translated into English punctuation" - The reality is that they didn't in those cases. I go by usage in published "official" sources, even if there are typos and mistakes.
WhisperToMe (
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18:34, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
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- Oh, we can't revise stuff outside Wikipedia of course, but we can revise stuff within it, and this is clearly against MoS. The grumble against the "official sources" is the usual one I have when translations are done by people who are competent but not native in the language they are translating into, but yes, is rather irrelevant to the argument.
- Why don't we have
"Aeroflot", then, aimed at English speakers who are contributing to the English Wikipedia? Mine is essentially a
WP:FORRED argument. If Russians are doing it unconsciously, all the more reason to make it a
WP:REDLINK, to prick their consciences.
Si Trew (
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18:49, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
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- FORRED is mainly used when the concept is not from a relevant culture ("The guideline for deleting redirects suggests that foreign-language redirects to a topic not related to that language generally should not be kept."). The mistakes of Russian speakers are relevant to Russia-related articles but not to, say, France-related articles. We should not think of Russian speakers in most cases, except when we're talking about Russia-related articles.
- "Why don't we have
"Aeroflot", then, aimed at English speakers who are contributing to the English Wikipedia?" - We can, because
Russian speakers sometimes do that usage too - As for native speakers: Native English speakers reading these Russian-made translations of documents into English may put in the quotes/braces since they may see it as the "official" or "proper" English form of these companies.
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WhisperToMe (
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06:34, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete per Simon. In the examples given, "«Aeroflot»" doesn't represent the name of the airline, they're just putting it in quotes because it's a proper title of the airline. The only way I'd see this being plausible is if this actually was/is the official name of the Airline, or was included in its logo or other colloquial use. --
Tavix (
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23:47, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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November Yankee
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 6#November Yankee
Chigaygo
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Just Chilling (
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23:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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Non-notable business, as well as implausible typo. -
The
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03:50, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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Cicagho
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Just Chilling (
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23:42, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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Implausable misspelling. -
The
ChampionMan
1234
03:49, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete as is implausible typo.
Rubbish
computer
08:54, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete, although this strikes me as someone trying to pronounce the city with a
Chicago accent. The "ho" at the end is throwing me off though and without any sources actually using this pronunciation, it's not helpful. --
Tavix (
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14:59, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete - entirely implausible.
Ivanvector 🍁 (
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15:32, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete. I don't think it's entirely implausible as a transliteration, since
Chicago#Beginnings say it was derived from
Miami-Illinois language via French, and I can see that this might have been possible before it settled down at its current spelling (and thinking of words like
cicada makes it easy to show the two c's need not be consistent in sound): but it doesn't seem ever to have been. Gsearch gives several plausible results with the misspelling, but I have a feeling that is because the sites themselves dynamically are correcting the (anagrammatic) misspelling, e.g.
here at top-marathon.com.
Si Trew (
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17:18, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom--
Lenticel (
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01:24, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
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Los Angeles, California maps
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Just Chilling (
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23:44, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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Delete as I believe this to be misleading. There used to be an article at this title, but it looks like it got redirected to
Los Angeles. Someone searching using this term is probably looking for a gallery of maps, like what can be found at
commons:Category:Maps of Los Angeles. The problem is that
Wikipedia is not a gallery, so any such search will leave the reader disappointed. If someone wanted a general article on Los Angeles, they'd search for that instead of "Los Angeles maps" or variant. --
Tavix (
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03:16, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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نيويورك
大埠
Anus Williams
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G10 by
Chillum (
talk ·
contribs). (
non-admin closure) --
Tavix (
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03:50, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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Delete per
WP:RFD#D3 (offensive or abusive) and
WP:RFD#D8 (novel synonym). Cannot find any proof of creator's contention that this is a "common misspelling". Six views in last three months. Fewer than 500 hits on Google, and most are mis-hits (e.g. court cases or medical journals where "... anus. Williams ..." appears), with a few clearly insulting (i.e. not accidentally misspelled) webforum threads.
58.176.246.42 (
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02:19, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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Driver (Working Title)
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Just Chilling (
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23:54, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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Delete per
WP:RFD#D2. "Driver" isn't a
working title, it's the official name for the video game series. Even if this is a working title, this would still be a strange disambiguator... --
Tavix (
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01:31, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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Untitled projects
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Just Chilling (
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23:56, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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Delete. These are all outdated redirects. The projects that these redirects refer to all have titles (or never happened). They should be deleted as confusing. --
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00:45, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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