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ObL
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Eastern South America
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Delete These redirects have their uses,
Transjordan (region) redirects to
Jordan pending the creation of an article about the region because Jordan consists roughly of the historic region of Transjordan, and
Northern Levant redirect to
Syria because Syria consists roughly of the Northern Levant. Brazil however extends way into western South America, and South America extends way south of Brazil.
Emmette Hernandez Coleman (
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03:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Sheik Osama
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"Taliban leaders dispute bin Laden death".
United Press International. 2011-05-05. Retrieved 2012-12-16. "The Americans would never be able to show any evidence that they killed Sheik Osama. I am saying with full authority that the Sheik has not been gunned down," a senior Taliban commander claimed, the report said.{{
cite news}}: CS1 maint: url-status (
link)
"Video: Bin Laden wanted to attack Iraq".
United Press International. 2008-07-08. Retrieved 2012-12-16. A statement by an al-Qaida leader who acted in a recent suicide attack in Afghanistan, Abu al-Hasan al-Saidi, said al-Qaida was also behind attacks on U.S. forces in Somalia. "At the time, Sheik Osama called on us to send our men to Somalia, and I trained the Somalis to fight," he said.
Lee Keath (2008-01-21).
"Sympathizers seek answers from al-Qaida".
USA Today. Retrieved 2012-12-16. The vast majority of questioners, identified only by their computer usernames, appear to be supporters of al-Qaida or the jihadi cause, often expressing praise for "our beloved sheik" and "the lion of jihad, Sheik Osama."
"Guantanamo Docket:Abdu Ali Al Haji Sharqawi".
New York Times. 2008-11. Retrieved 2012-12-16. He stated there's a part of him that wants to join Zarqawi or Sheik Osama in the fight against the United States. The detainee stated he wanted to kill every American upon his release.{{
cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (
help)
Since the term is used, the redirect is not pointless. When and if some other "Sheik Osama" emerges, the page should be changed from a redirect to a disambiguation page.
Geo Swan (
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07:21, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Tower of Dubai
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The result of the discussion was Keep. There are about 100 skyscrapers in Dubai. Including them all will make the dab page unreasonably large. In addition the purpose of a
dab page is to disambiguate in between the different meanings of a word. I do not see any evidence that any other "tower" in Dubai has ever been referred to as "Tower of Dubai". I am not against a dab page if a reasonable list of buildings can be compiled. This will not require a new RFD though.
Ruslik_
Zero15:50, 31 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Sarah Beckett
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Delete, though not because of the notability argument;
redirects are cheap. To the contrary, the purpose of a redirect is to take readers to the article most proximate to what they're looking for - and so in general I'd say to keep a redirect like this one. However, the problem is simply that the name's too common. As a sheer matter of statistics, I'm shocked we don't have any other articles on "Sarah Beckett"s, but since it's a common enough name that someone could type it in searching for, say, an article on their professor or their favorite artist, it violates the
principle of least astonishment to have it redirect anywhere. But, once again, I see no merit in the argument that it should be deleted simply because she's non-notable - a lack of notability is often why a redirect, as opposed to an article, exists in the first place. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler)23:11, 20 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Sintra National History Museum
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Keep - incredibly plausible search term, I had to re-read them two several times to even notice the difference, so they're likely to get confused in people's minds.
WilyD11:22, 17 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep per all above - as a child I frequently made this exact mistake with the name of the Natural History Museum in London. @Tonywalton: If there is then Google doesn't know about it, the only hits for "Sintra national history museum" as an exact phrase are the redirect, this discusison about it and its entry in the RfD category.
Thryduulf (
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03:58, 20 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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MCT (rocket engine)
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Delete — as the creator of this article in October 2012, I propose the redir for deletion because the MCT rocket engine does not exist, as confirmed now by the company, and the existence of the redir in Wikipedia implies (incorrectly) otherwise. The early news reports were wrong, and have since been corrected. Cheers.
N2e (
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13:42, 15 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I'd say keep, as these erroneous reports are still floating around the interwebs. In the target article, mention that "several media sources incorrectly stated that the MCT rocket engine...These reports were later corrected by SpaceX..." or something like that.
Ego White Tray (
talk)
13:45, 17 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep. Nonexistence isn't a bar per se to having an article or a redir, and an article/redir is no guarantee that a thing actually exists (presumably neither
Harry Potter nor the
Flying Spaghetti Monster really exist). If the target article implies that the MCT exists it should be fixed.
TonywaltonTalk02:02, 20 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Template:Wikigraphist
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Wikipedia:IPA
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The "WP:" psuedo-namespace expands to "Wikipedia:" so this is the shortcut "
WP:IPA"
Keep Helps people find the page, which is the whole point of a redirect. I always forget that it's been moved to Help, and so I still to this day type "WP:IPA" when looking for this. rʨanaɢ (
talk)
14:11, 15 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep. Which pages are in the Help namespace and which are in the Wikipedia namespace is often fairly arbitrary, so this clearly takes people to the page they are looking for.
Thryduulf (
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12:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
From my observation, the pages in the Help namespace are mainly helpful for readers and users of Wikipedia, on the contrary, the pages in the WP namespace are mainly aids for editors.
Weihang7 (
talk)
16:41, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep, bordering on
WP:SNOW. In addition to its usefulness as a navigational aid and the arbitrariness of the help namespace, this redirect is linked from
many thousands of pages, presumably through some IPA templates that still use the old link.
Oren0 (
talk)
01:11, 17 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep. The criteria for deleting cross-namespace redirects is if they are out of article space. see
WP:R#DELETE. Otherwise it would have to be a confusing or misleading one but that's not the case either. WP: and HELP: are pretty synonymous with information about the project in both, so it makes perfect sense that users could look in both places.--
JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds14:55, 17 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Who said for God created all men equal in his eyes?
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 15, 2012
ObL
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's
talk page or in a
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Eastern South America
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Delete These redirects have their uses,
Transjordan (region) redirects to
Jordan pending the creation of an article about the region because Jordan consists roughly of the historic region of Transjordan, and
Northern Levant redirect to
Syria because Syria consists roughly of the Northern Levant. Brazil however extends way into western South America, and South America extends way south of Brazil.
Emmette Hernandez Coleman (
talk)
03:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Sheik Osama
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"Taliban leaders dispute bin Laden death".
United Press International. 2011-05-05. Retrieved 2012-12-16. "The Americans would never be able to show any evidence that they killed Sheik Osama. I am saying with full authority that the Sheik has not been gunned down," a senior Taliban commander claimed, the report said.{{
cite news}}: CS1 maint: url-status (
link)
"Video: Bin Laden wanted to attack Iraq".
United Press International. 2008-07-08. Retrieved 2012-12-16. A statement by an al-Qaida leader who acted in a recent suicide attack in Afghanistan, Abu al-Hasan al-Saidi, said al-Qaida was also behind attacks on U.S. forces in Somalia. "At the time, Sheik Osama called on us to send our men to Somalia, and I trained the Somalis to fight," he said.
Lee Keath (2008-01-21).
"Sympathizers seek answers from al-Qaida".
USA Today. Retrieved 2012-12-16. The vast majority of questioners, identified only by their computer usernames, appear to be supporters of al-Qaida or the jihadi cause, often expressing praise for "our beloved sheik" and "the lion of jihad, Sheik Osama."
"Guantanamo Docket:Abdu Ali Al Haji Sharqawi".
New York Times. 2008-11. Retrieved 2012-12-16. He stated there's a part of him that wants to join Zarqawi or Sheik Osama in the fight against the United States. The detainee stated he wanted to kill every American upon his release.{{
cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (
help)
Since the term is used, the redirect is not pointless. When and if some other "Sheik Osama" emerges, the page should be changed from a redirect to a disambiguation page.
Geo Swan (
talk)
07:21, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Tower of Dubai
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The result of the discussion was Keep. There are about 100 skyscrapers in Dubai. Including them all will make the dab page unreasonably large. In addition the purpose of a
dab page is to disambiguate in between the different meanings of a word. I do not see any evidence that any other "tower" in Dubai has ever been referred to as "Tower of Dubai". I am not against a dab page if a reasonable list of buildings can be compiled. This will not require a new RFD though.
Ruslik_
Zero15:50, 31 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Sarah Beckett
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Delete, though not because of the notability argument;
redirects are cheap. To the contrary, the purpose of a redirect is to take readers to the article most proximate to what they're looking for - and so in general I'd say to keep a redirect like this one. However, the problem is simply that the name's too common. As a sheer matter of statistics, I'm shocked we don't have any other articles on "Sarah Beckett"s, but since it's a common enough name that someone could type it in searching for, say, an article on their professor or their favorite artist, it violates the
principle of least astonishment to have it redirect anywhere. But, once again, I see no merit in the argument that it should be deleted simply because she's non-notable - a lack of notability is often why a redirect, as opposed to an article, exists in the first place. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler)23:11, 20 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Sintra National History Museum
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Keep - incredibly plausible search term, I had to re-read them two several times to even notice the difference, so they're likely to get confused in people's minds.
WilyD11:22, 17 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep per all above - as a child I frequently made this exact mistake with the name of the Natural History Museum in London. @Tonywalton: If there is then Google doesn't know about it, the only hits for "Sintra national history museum" as an exact phrase are the redirect, this discusison about it and its entry in the RfD category.
Thryduulf (
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03:58, 20 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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MCT (rocket engine)
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Delete — as the creator of this article in October 2012, I propose the redir for deletion because the MCT rocket engine does not exist, as confirmed now by the company, and the existence of the redir in Wikipedia implies (incorrectly) otherwise. The early news reports were wrong, and have since been corrected. Cheers.
N2e (
talk)
13:42, 15 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I'd say keep, as these erroneous reports are still floating around the interwebs. In the target article, mention that "several media sources incorrectly stated that the MCT rocket engine...These reports were later corrected by SpaceX..." or something like that.
Ego White Tray (
talk)
13:45, 17 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep. Nonexistence isn't a bar per se to having an article or a redir, and an article/redir is no guarantee that a thing actually exists (presumably neither
Harry Potter nor the
Flying Spaghetti Monster really exist). If the target article implies that the MCT exists it should be fixed.
TonywaltonTalk02:02, 20 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Template:Wikigraphist
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Wikipedia:IPA
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The "WP:" psuedo-namespace expands to "Wikipedia:" so this is the shortcut "
WP:IPA"
Keep Helps people find the page, which is the whole point of a redirect. I always forget that it's been moved to Help, and so I still to this day type "WP:IPA" when looking for this. rʨanaɢ (
talk)
14:11, 15 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep. Which pages are in the Help namespace and which are in the Wikipedia namespace is often fairly arbitrary, so this clearly takes people to the page they are looking for.
Thryduulf (
talk)
12:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
From my observation, the pages in the Help namespace are mainly helpful for readers and users of Wikipedia, on the contrary, the pages in the WP namespace are mainly aids for editors.
Weihang7 (
talk)
16:41, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep, bordering on
WP:SNOW. In addition to its usefulness as a navigational aid and the arbitrariness of the help namespace, this redirect is linked from
many thousands of pages, presumably through some IPA templates that still use the old link.
Oren0 (
talk)
01:11, 17 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep. The criteria for deleting cross-namespace redirects is if they are out of article space. see
WP:R#DELETE. Otherwise it would have to be a confusing or misleading one but that's not the case either. WP: and HELP: are pretty synonymous with information about the project in both, so it makes perfect sense that users could look in both places.--
JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds14:55, 17 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Who said for God created all men equal in his eyes?
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