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File:Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial Stone of Hope Offset View at Dusk.jpg
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- File:Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial Stone of Hope Offset View at Dusk.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- Copyrighted statue dedicated in 2011, no freedom of panorama for statues in the US (see Commons:COM:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial). January ( talk) 10:35, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
- Copyrighted statue? As a national memorial, the statue is public property in the United States and no copyright can be granted as is the case with all of the other images at List of National Memorials of the United States. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 16:25, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
- Delete See Commons:Category:Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 22:05, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
- Keep. This is a circular argument with no real basis to return to FOP. I have seen no verifiable source provided showing that the original sculptor retains the copyright to this work. Someone jumped on the copyright bandwagon months ago and now this purge has been ongoing, aside from original deletes I have seen no citation of copyright. The foundation that originally championed and paid for the work is now irrelevant, the work is now the property of the US Government and the American people. I have been in contact with the Park Service and they are also not able to provide verifiable documentation showing that the sculptor retains any rights to the work.
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- As you wrote, the statue is a work of a private foundation. Works made by private foundations are fully copyrighted. Works made by the United States federal government are in the public domain, but this was instead made for the United States federal government, which is a completely different thing. {{
PD-USGov}} requires that the work is a
work for hire and that the one hiring the worker is the United States federal government. If a work isn't a work for hire, or if the one hiring the worker is someone else, then the work is fully copyrighted. It doesn't matter if the statue currently is owned by the United States federal government or not. The United States federal government may be the copyright holder to a work (as long as the work was made by someone else), and ownership of a physical statue is not the same thing as ownership of the copyright to the statue. --
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- Because a work was created by a private foundation does not necessarily mean that the private foundation claims ownership of the created intellectual property. I have yet to see citations of either the artist or the foundation claiming the copyright of this work. I have only seen these theoretical claims of how copyright may be applied in arguments for deletions. There is no reason to make any of these theoretical arguments unless someone can actually provide a claim for copyright. Moreover, if you want to call it a work for hire, you can put the Federal Government on the list as they appropriated the lands, authorized the creation of the foundation, and provided $10 million in funding.
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- That's not how it works. You have to prove that the statue is in the public domain, not the other way around. Read the article Work for hire so that you know what a "work for hire" is. The sculptor was not an employee of the United States federal government, so this is not {{ PD-USGov}}. This means that there is someone who is the copyright holder, and the copyright expires either 70 years after the death of the sculptor or 120 years after the statue was made, depending on what it says in the sculptor's contract with the foundation. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 23:13, 31 October 2012 (UTC) reply
- Because a work was created by a private foundation does not necessarily mean that the private foundation claims ownership of the created intellectual property. I have yet to see citations of either the artist or the foundation claiming the copyright of this work. I have only seen these theoretical claims of how copyright may be applied in arguments for deletions. There is no reason to make any of these theoretical arguments unless someone can actually provide a claim for copyright. Moreover, if you want to call it a work for hire, you can put the Federal Government on the list as they appropriated the lands, authorized the creation of the foundation, and provided $10 million in funding.
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20:13, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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- As you wrote, the statue is a work of a private foundation. Works made by private foundations are fully copyrighted. Works made by the United States federal government are in the public domain, but this was instead made for the United States federal government, which is a completely different thing. {{
PD-USGov}} requires that the work is a
work for hire and that the one hiring the worker is the United States federal government. If a work isn't a work for hire, or if the one hiring the worker is someone else, then the work is fully copyrighted. It doesn't matter if the statue currently is owned by the United States federal government or not. The United States federal government may be the copyright holder to a work (as long as the work was made by someone else), and ownership of a physical statue is not the same thing as ownership of the copyright to the statue. --
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File:Germanflare.jpg
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- File:Germanflare.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- As I understand it, "unique historic image" is not the same as "old photo". Original provenance of this image is unclear. McGeddon ( talk) 15:04, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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- File:Van persie man united.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- Obviously a long lens with variable f-stops, at field level. Appears to be a press photo. No copyright permission provided. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 16:21, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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- Possible copyvio of http://www.estac.fr/newsite/club-2/historique/saison-par-saison/saison-2004-2005.htm NtheP ( talk) 17:50, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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- File:Apollo 9 San Diego.png ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- No indication of the licence terms. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 20:44, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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- File:Orlin Vassilev, 2012.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- Smaller resolution here: [1] Stefan2 ( talk) 22:01, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
- The statement which was just added to File:Portrait of Orlin Vassilev, 2012.jpg suggests that this is the uploader's passport photo. However, you usually don't take your own passport photo, so the uploader is unlikely the photographer. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 22:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
![[1]](https://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc6/203367_100000441249629_6548210_n.jpg){kind=link}
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- File:Sussana Agnelli.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- Not own work. Taken in 1980 according to this page. This means that the photo is in the public domain in Italy but copyrighted in the United States. Stefan2 ( talk) 22:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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- File:Angelo Alessio2.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- File:Arturo Vidal.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- EXIF very similar to File:Claudio Marchisio22.jpg which is a copyright violation, so this was probably taken by the same person and is presumably also a copyvio. Stefan2 ( talk) 22:15, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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- possiblecopyvio of https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151497511315550&set=a.499858835549.309534.153653465549&type=1 NtheP ( talk) 23:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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File:Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial Stone of Hope Offset View at Dusk.jpg
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- File:Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial Stone of Hope Offset View at Dusk.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- Copyrighted statue dedicated in 2011, no freedom of panorama for statues in the US (see Commons:COM:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial). January ( talk) 10:35, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
- Copyrighted statue? As a national memorial, the statue is public property in the United States and no copyright can be granted as is the case with all of the other images at List of National Memorials of the United States. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 16:25, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
- Delete See Commons:Category:Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 22:05, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
- Keep. This is a circular argument with no real basis to return to FOP. I have seen no verifiable source provided showing that the original sculptor retains the copyright to this work. Someone jumped on the copyright bandwagon months ago and now this purge has been ongoing, aside from original deletes I have seen no citation of copyright. The foundation that originally championed and paid for the work is now irrelevant, the work is now the property of the US Government and the American people. I have been in contact with the Park Service and they are also not able to provide verifiable documentation showing that the sculptor retains any rights to the work.
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14:43, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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- As you wrote, the statue is a work of a private foundation. Works made by private foundations are fully copyrighted. Works made by the United States federal government are in the public domain, but this was instead made for the United States federal government, which is a completely different thing. {{
PD-USGov}} requires that the work is a
work for hire and that the one hiring the worker is the United States federal government. If a work isn't a work for hire, or if the one hiring the worker is someone else, then the work is fully copyrighted. It doesn't matter if the statue currently is owned by the United States federal government or not. The United States federal government may be the copyright holder to a work (as long as the work was made by someone else), and ownership of a physical statue is not the same thing as ownership of the copyright to the statue. --
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15:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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- Because a work was created by a private foundation does not necessarily mean that the private foundation claims ownership of the created intellectual property. I have yet to see citations of either the artist or the foundation claiming the copyright of this work. I have only seen these theoretical claims of how copyright may be applied in arguments for deletions. There is no reason to make any of these theoretical arguments unless someone can actually provide a claim for copyright. Moreover, if you want to call it a work for hire, you can put the Federal Government on the list as they appropriated the lands, authorized the creation of the foundation, and provided $10 million in funding.
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20:13, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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- That's not how it works. You have to prove that the statue is in the public domain, not the other way around. Read the article Work for hire so that you know what a "work for hire" is. The sculptor was not an employee of the United States federal government, so this is not {{ PD-USGov}}. This means that there is someone who is the copyright holder, and the copyright expires either 70 years after the death of the sculptor or 120 years after the statue was made, depending on what it says in the sculptor's contract with the foundation. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 23:13, 31 October 2012 (UTC) reply
- Because a work was created by a private foundation does not necessarily mean that the private foundation claims ownership of the created intellectual property. I have yet to see citations of either the artist or the foundation claiming the copyright of this work. I have only seen these theoretical claims of how copyright may be applied in arguments for deletions. There is no reason to make any of these theoretical arguments unless someone can actually provide a claim for copyright. Moreover, if you want to call it a work for hire, you can put the Federal Government on the list as they appropriated the lands, authorized the creation of the foundation, and provided $10 million in funding.
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20:13, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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- As you wrote, the statue is a work of a private foundation. Works made by private foundations are fully copyrighted. Works made by the United States federal government are in the public domain, but this was instead made for the United States federal government, which is a completely different thing. {{
PD-USGov}} requires that the work is a
work for hire and that the one hiring the worker is the United States federal government. If a work isn't a work for hire, or if the one hiring the worker is someone else, then the work is fully copyrighted. It doesn't matter if the statue currently is owned by the United States federal government or not. The United States federal government may be the copyright holder to a work (as long as the work was made by someone else), and ownership of a physical statue is not the same thing as ownership of the copyright to the statue. --
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15:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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- File:Germanflare.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- As I understand it, "unique historic image" is not the same as "old photo". Original provenance of this image is unclear. McGeddon ( talk) 15:04, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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- File:Van persie man united.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- Obviously a long lens with variable f-stops, at field level. Appears to be a press photo. No copyright permission provided. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 16:21, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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- Possible copyvio of http://www.estac.fr/newsite/club-2/historique/saison-par-saison/saison-2004-2005.htm NtheP ( talk) 17:50, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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- File:Apollo 9 San Diego.png ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- No indication of the licence terms. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 20:44, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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- File:Orlin Vassilev, 2012.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- Smaller resolution here: [1] Stefan2 ( talk) 22:01, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
- The statement which was just added to File:Portrait of Orlin Vassilev, 2012.jpg suggests that this is the uploader's passport photo. However, you usually don't take your own passport photo, so the uploader is unlikely the photographer. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 22:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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- File:Sussana Agnelli.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- Not own work. Taken in 1980 according to this page. This means that the photo is in the public domain in Italy but copyrighted in the United States. Stefan2 ( talk) 22:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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- File:Angelo Alessio2.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- File:Arturo Vidal.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs).
- EXIF very similar to File:Claudio Marchisio22.jpg which is a copyright violation, so this was probably taken by the same person and is presumably also a copyvio. Stefan2 ( talk) 22:15, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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- possiblecopyvio of https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151497511315550&set=a.499858835549.309534.153653465549&type=1 NtheP ( talk) 23:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC) reply
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