"actress who worked in Hollywood and on Broadway" maybe be more specific and say she was a movie and theatre actress (or similar) rather than relying on our universal audience to understand that.
You link "blond" but not "platinum blond" which is probably more worthy of a link.
"of the late-1950s,[2] Mansfield starred" just "she" rather than repeat the surname.
Similarly, you link "cleavage" which, to me, is obvious, but not "hourglass figure".
"she enjoyed a successful Broadway run acting in Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter? and later the film of the same name in 1957." perhaps "and later starred in the film..."?
" which was also produced " both of which?
"with rock legend" reads like a tabloid.
" blonde bombshells" ditto.
"actor-bodybuilder" these days that may be an en-dash, check with
WP:DASH.
"Jayne Mansfield, a natural brunette, was born on April 19, 1933" really odd place to say she was a natural brunette, as she was "born"!
" Vera Jeffrey's father, Elmer Palmer, was largely Cornish area of Pen Argyl, " what?
I don't know what to say about this factor, because I added a source before that says Mansfield's paternal grandparents were from Germany. What happened to that? ★Dasani★00:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)reply
This is about her maternal grandfather. I can't locate the source you are referring to. Was it placed in a relevant place? Can you restore it?
Aditya(
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"he was into the slate industry." involved with?
"After his death, her mother " replace "her" with Jayne.
"attended... attended..." dull prose.
"which she advertised " perhaps "which she claimed..."
Not sure. I Googled and there is not much information available about Mansfield's Brody, except that he also worked as a lawyer. Was this Brody on Wikipedia actually a lawyer as well? He seems to be from the same time period as her and her mom, so it's possible. ★Dasani★23:31, 2 May 2012 (UTC)reply
According to the website cited on the film maker Sam Brody, he died in 1987, while the attorney died in 1967 together with JM. Probably not the same person. Besides there's no reference to the attorney making films.
Aditya(
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This phrase: and days later, a juvenile court judge awarded temporary custody of Jayne Marie to William W. Pigue and his wife Mary. Pigue was an uncle of Paul, who was stated to be the natural father of Jayne Marie – I got stuck on it when trying to copyedit, because I couldn't figure out what it meant. Pigue claimed to be Jayne Marie's natural father? Pigue was officially referred to as Jayne Marie's natural father? Does "natural father" mean birth father?
I have no clue either, though Martha Saxton and a few other biographers have stated that. If it remains too ambiguous, may be we can cut that natural father bit out altogether.
Aditya(
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The way the sentence is written doesn't even make sense. The only thing I understand is that Jayne's husband's uncle is the father of their daughter. I think this sentence needs to be rewritten. ★Dasani★23:29, 2 May 2012 (UTC)reply
"Blonde" versus "blond" – I was taught at some point in my life that "blonde" should only refer to a woman with blond hair, while "blond" refers to any person with blond hair or the color of the hair itself. I tried to apply that rule here, but I may have missed a few instances. I care very deeply about this rule, even though it may or may not actually exist :-P
Other than that, looks good, and I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes after a little more TLC from others. Also, I'm now tempted to go add a history section to
Wardrobe malfunction, because it's clearly not something Britney Spears and Janet Jackson came up with all by themselves!
Accedietalk to me22:26, 28 April 2012 (UTC)reply
There are two instances of two pictures in a row. One showing her in the movie Rock Hunter and at the premier, prominently featuring her size differences. The other showing her gravestone and cenotaph, featuring differing dates for her death. Besides, for a comprehensive article, it has only 10 images (9 of them free). Is that too many?
Aditya(
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CUpdate I have uploaded and placed the trailer of Rock Hunter. Trying to get through to more relevant images, including a replacement for the lead image.
Aditya(
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Doesn't matter what it is used to illustrate, it depends because sometimes pictures in an article can actually slow down browsing. On top of that, additional photos prove repetitive. I have seen some FAs with as many as eleven images, but they use them for various purposes (logos, performances, relationships, childhood photos, magazine covers). ★Dasani★04:09, 14 May 2012 (UTC)reply
If you can find more critical reception on Mansfield, that would be great. What did the public think of her (even negatively)? ★Dasani★04:22, 14 May 2012 (UTC)reply
I feel like you worked very hard on the article, but it still seems awkward in some parts. Quite a few sentences are misleading or repetitive. I've tried to clean up what I could, but I wouldn't be able to do the whole article. ★Dasani★04:22, 14 May 2012 (UTC)reply
The phrase "childhood lover" in the lede gives me the willies. "High school sweetheart" would be the cliche phrase; I'm trying to think of something that doesn't remind me of
Lolita. More later.
Danger! High voltage!07:48, 5 May 2012 (UTC)reply
To be honest, I am not sure why they put that. Paul wouldn't be a high school sweetheart since they didn't attend high school at the same time. Isn't he just a boyfriend turned husband? ★Dasani★22:09, 5 May 2012 (UTC)reply
A sidenote: I like it when Dasani and I, two editors with pink signatures, make a lot of comments on Jayne Mansfield, the queen of pink. ;-)
Aditya(
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Is it possible to find out the birth and death years for the major characters in her life - Paul, Mickey, Mat, Elmer, Harry, Sidney, and Sam?
Aditya(
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Now that's going to be harder. I would like to know, too. One article cites Harry as having been born in 1916. That's all I know. ★Dasani★04:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)reply
Is it possible to find out when she went to the schools and colleges mentioned, the starting year and the end year - University of Texas at Austin, University of Dallas, UCLA and Highland Park High School?
Aditya(
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I could be mistaken, but from what I have read, it does not seem she ever graduated from college. I've noticed that it is generally not necessary to include the years unless the celebrity graduated. ★Dasani★04:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)reply
If I remember correctly, Paul Mansfield remarried and had four kids after JM, Mickey Hargitay brought up all of her kids, but one, including Jayne Marie and kept getting back to her grave, and Matt Cimbers brought up Tony.
Aditya(
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Education section: I don't know what the phrase "went active" ("While attending the University of Texas, she worked as a nude model for art classes, joined the Curtain Club, went active at the Austin Civic Center, and spent her nights working as a receptionist at a dance club") means.
Multiple errors of judgement while copyediting. It originally read - "While attending the University of Texas, she worked as a
nude model for art classes,[1] joined the
Curtain Club, was active at the Austin Civic Theater, and worked 7PM to 11PM at the desk of a dance club.[2][3]" I would also want to put in "sold books door-to-door" right after the dance club bit.
Aditya(
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Film stardom (late 1950s) section: "However, after some misunderstandings Mansfield's Wayward Bus co-star
Joan Collins stepped in as her replacement". "Some misunderstandings" sounds uncomfortably vague; I'd either flesh it out with a citation (and a bit more detail) or remove it. As is, it doesn't add anything to the sentence.
There are three instances of information on JM's replacement in the article:
"Following The Sheriff of Fractured Jaw Fox tried to cast Mansfield opposite
Paul Newman in Newman's ill-fated first attempt at
comedy, Rally 'Round the Flag, Boys!. However, after some misunderstandings Mansfield's Wayward Bus co-star
Joan Collins stepped in as her replacement."
"Soon after her success in Promises! Promises! Mansfield was chosen from many other actresses to replace the recently-deceased
Marilyn Monroe in Kiss Me, Stupid, a romantic comedy which would co-star
Dean Martin, but she turned the role down due to her pregnancy with daughter
Mariska. As in Bell, Book and Candle, Mansfield was replaced with
Kim Novak. "
None has a reference/citation, and all are vague. Probably put in by the same editor. I also believe that finding references and expanding/rewriting needs to be tried first. If that fails to improve these parts, removal would be a good idea. Though I think replacement in major films is relevant information.
Aditya(
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Article segmentation: I think the article should have more of a unified narrative; as I copyedited it, I found myself wondering how Mansfield's second marriage ended and her third marriage began. Her untimely death in a car crash is reported too far into the article; her career and her personal life don't need to be separated so much.
Right at this moment it's so fragmented to keep it more accessible to expansions, which should be done soon. As for her career, publicity and personal life - I probably would recommenced keeping them segmented. Judging by the mainstream media and most of her major biographies (I have no access to Diamond to Dust, the latest major biography), these are the three big components of her bio.
All three marriages will need a bit of improvement - the beginnings, the ends, and whatever is significant. Working on that.
I figured lavender was Novak's "official" color, but wasn't sure if she had a lavender car like Mansfield's pink Caddy. All the best,
Miniapolis (
talk)
02:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC)reply
Wardrobe malfunctions section: The variation in Mansfield's breast size (regardless of multiple pregnancies and breastfeeding) seems exaggerated, perhaps for publicity reasons; is there a citation for any of that?
^Mann 1974, p. 112 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFMann1974 (
help)
^Peter Partheymuller, "Jayne Manfield", page 25, The Alcalde, Mar 2000
^James Robert Parish, The Hollywood Book of Extravagance page 44, John Wiley & Sons, 2007,
ISBN978-0-470-05205-1
"actress who worked in Hollywood and on Broadway" maybe be more specific and say she was a movie and theatre actress (or similar) rather than relying on our universal audience to understand that.
You link "blond" but not "platinum blond" which is probably more worthy of a link.
"of the late-1950s,[2] Mansfield starred" just "she" rather than repeat the surname.
Similarly, you link "cleavage" which, to me, is obvious, but not "hourglass figure".
"she enjoyed a successful Broadway run acting in Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter? and later the film of the same name in 1957." perhaps "and later starred in the film..."?
" which was also produced " both of which?
"with rock legend" reads like a tabloid.
" blonde bombshells" ditto.
"actor-bodybuilder" these days that may be an en-dash, check with
WP:DASH.
"Jayne Mansfield, a natural brunette, was born on April 19, 1933" really odd place to say she was a natural brunette, as she was "born"!
" Vera Jeffrey's father, Elmer Palmer, was largely Cornish area of Pen Argyl, " what?
I don't know what to say about this factor, because I added a source before that says Mansfield's paternal grandparents were from Germany. What happened to that? ★Dasani★00:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)reply
This is about her maternal grandfather. I can't locate the source you are referring to. Was it placed in a relevant place? Can you restore it?
Aditya(
talk •
contribs)04:15, 24 April 2012 (UTC)reply
"he was into the slate industry." involved with?
"After his death, her mother " replace "her" with Jayne.
"attended... attended..." dull prose.
"which she advertised " perhaps "which she claimed..."
Not sure. I Googled and there is not much information available about Mansfield's Brody, except that he also worked as a lawyer. Was this Brody on Wikipedia actually a lawyer as well? He seems to be from the same time period as her and her mom, so it's possible. ★Dasani★23:31, 2 May 2012 (UTC)reply
According to the website cited on the film maker Sam Brody, he died in 1987, while the attorney died in 1967 together with JM. Probably not the same person. Besides there's no reference to the attorney making films.
Aditya(
talk •
contribs)05:50, 7 May 2012 (UTC)reply
This phrase: and days later, a juvenile court judge awarded temporary custody of Jayne Marie to William W. Pigue and his wife Mary. Pigue was an uncle of Paul, who was stated to be the natural father of Jayne Marie – I got stuck on it when trying to copyedit, because I couldn't figure out what it meant. Pigue claimed to be Jayne Marie's natural father? Pigue was officially referred to as Jayne Marie's natural father? Does "natural father" mean birth father?
I have no clue either, though Martha Saxton and a few other biographers have stated that. If it remains too ambiguous, may be we can cut that natural father bit out altogether.
Aditya(
talk •
contribs)12:41, 29 April 2012 (UTC)reply
The way the sentence is written doesn't even make sense. The only thing I understand is that Jayne's husband's uncle is the father of their daughter. I think this sentence needs to be rewritten. ★Dasani★23:29, 2 May 2012 (UTC)reply
"Blonde" versus "blond" – I was taught at some point in my life that "blonde" should only refer to a woman with blond hair, while "blond" refers to any person with blond hair or the color of the hair itself. I tried to apply that rule here, but I may have missed a few instances. I care very deeply about this rule, even though it may or may not actually exist :-P
Other than that, looks good, and I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes after a little more TLC from others. Also, I'm now tempted to go add a history section to
Wardrobe malfunction, because it's clearly not something Britney Spears and Janet Jackson came up with all by themselves!
Accedietalk to me22:26, 28 April 2012 (UTC)reply
There are two instances of two pictures in a row. One showing her in the movie Rock Hunter and at the premier, prominently featuring her size differences. The other showing her gravestone and cenotaph, featuring differing dates for her death. Besides, for a comprehensive article, it has only 10 images (9 of them free). Is that too many?
Aditya(
talk •
contribs)19:48, 3 May 2012 (UTC)reply
CUpdate I have uploaded and placed the trailer of Rock Hunter. Trying to get through to more relevant images, including a replacement for the lead image.
Aditya(
talk •
contribs)02:58, 12 May 2012 (UTC)reply
Doesn't matter what it is used to illustrate, it depends because sometimes pictures in an article can actually slow down browsing. On top of that, additional photos prove repetitive. I have seen some FAs with as many as eleven images, but they use them for various purposes (logos, performances, relationships, childhood photos, magazine covers). ★Dasani★04:09, 14 May 2012 (UTC)reply
If you can find more critical reception on Mansfield, that would be great. What did the public think of her (even negatively)? ★Dasani★04:22, 14 May 2012 (UTC)reply
I feel like you worked very hard on the article, but it still seems awkward in some parts. Quite a few sentences are misleading or repetitive. I've tried to clean up what I could, but I wouldn't be able to do the whole article. ★Dasani★04:22, 14 May 2012 (UTC)reply
The phrase "childhood lover" in the lede gives me the willies. "High school sweetheart" would be the cliche phrase; I'm trying to think of something that doesn't remind me of
Lolita. More later.
Danger! High voltage!07:48, 5 May 2012 (UTC)reply
To be honest, I am not sure why they put that. Paul wouldn't be a high school sweetheart since they didn't attend high school at the same time. Isn't he just a boyfriend turned husband? ★Dasani★22:09, 5 May 2012 (UTC)reply
A sidenote: I like it when Dasani and I, two editors with pink signatures, make a lot of comments on Jayne Mansfield, the queen of pink. ;-)
Aditya(
talk •
contribs)03:37, 7 May 2012 (UTC)reply
Is it possible to find out the birth and death years for the major characters in her life - Paul, Mickey, Mat, Elmer, Harry, Sidney, and Sam?
Aditya(
talk •
contribs)09:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)reply
Now that's going to be harder. I would like to know, too. One article cites Harry as having been born in 1916. That's all I know. ★Dasani★04:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)reply
Is it possible to find out when she went to the schools and colleges mentioned, the starting year and the end year - University of Texas at Austin, University of Dallas, UCLA and Highland Park High School?
Aditya(
talk •
contribs)09:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)reply
I could be mistaken, but from what I have read, it does not seem she ever graduated from college. I've noticed that it is generally not necessary to include the years unless the celebrity graduated. ★Dasani★04:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)reply
If I remember correctly, Paul Mansfield remarried and had four kids after JM, Mickey Hargitay brought up all of her kids, but one, including Jayne Marie and kept getting back to her grave, and Matt Cimbers brought up Tony.
Aditya(
talk •
contribs)06:44, 16 May 2012 (UTC)reply
Education section: I don't know what the phrase "went active" ("While attending the University of Texas, she worked as a nude model for art classes, joined the Curtain Club, went active at the Austin Civic Center, and spent her nights working as a receptionist at a dance club") means.
Multiple errors of judgement while copyediting. It originally read - "While attending the University of Texas, she worked as a
nude model for art classes,[1] joined the
Curtain Club, was active at the Austin Civic Theater, and worked 7PM to 11PM at the desk of a dance club.[2][3]" I would also want to put in "sold books door-to-door" right after the dance club bit.
Aditya(
talk •
contribs)01:46, 16 May 2012 (UTC)reply
Film stardom (late 1950s) section: "However, after some misunderstandings Mansfield's Wayward Bus co-star
Joan Collins stepped in as her replacement". "Some misunderstandings" sounds uncomfortably vague; I'd either flesh it out with a citation (and a bit more detail) or remove it. As is, it doesn't add anything to the sentence.
There are three instances of information on JM's replacement in the article:
"Following The Sheriff of Fractured Jaw Fox tried to cast Mansfield opposite
Paul Newman in Newman's ill-fated first attempt at
comedy, Rally 'Round the Flag, Boys!. However, after some misunderstandings Mansfield's Wayward Bus co-star
Joan Collins stepped in as her replacement."
"Soon after her success in Promises! Promises! Mansfield was chosen from many other actresses to replace the recently-deceased
Marilyn Monroe in Kiss Me, Stupid, a romantic comedy which would co-star
Dean Martin, but she turned the role down due to her pregnancy with daughter
Mariska. As in Bell, Book and Candle, Mansfield was replaced with
Kim Novak. "
None has a reference/citation, and all are vague. Probably put in by the same editor. I also believe that finding references and expanding/rewriting needs to be tried first. If that fails to improve these parts, removal would be a good idea. Though I think replacement in major films is relevant information.
Aditya(
talk •
contribs)01:46, 16 May 2012 (UTC)reply
Article segmentation: I think the article should have more of a unified narrative; as I copyedited it, I found myself wondering how Mansfield's second marriage ended and her third marriage began. Her untimely death in a car crash is reported too far into the article; her career and her personal life don't need to be separated so much.
Right at this moment it's so fragmented to keep it more accessible to expansions, which should be done soon. As for her career, publicity and personal life - I probably would recommenced keeping them segmented. Judging by the mainstream media and most of her major biographies (I have no access to Diamond to Dust, the latest major biography), these are the three big components of her bio.
All three marriages will need a bit of improvement - the beginnings, the ends, and whatever is significant. Working on that.
I figured lavender was Novak's "official" color, but wasn't sure if she had a lavender car like Mansfield's pink Caddy. All the best,
Miniapolis (
talk)
02:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC)reply
Wardrobe malfunctions section: The variation in Mansfield's breast size (regardless of multiple pregnancies and breastfeeding) seems exaggerated, perhaps for publicity reasons; is there a citation for any of that?
^Mann 1974, p. 112 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFMann1974 (
help)
^Peter Partheymuller, "Jayne Manfield", page 25, The Alcalde, Mar 2000
^James Robert Parish, The Hollywood Book of Extravagance page 44, John Wiley & Sons, 2007,
ISBN978-0-470-05205-1