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Nominations for WikiMedals is a proposed scheme for positive recognition of Wikipedia contributions.
This proposal is not intended to replace barnstars, but as an addition to them. (This note is intended to clear up a matter raised in several votes below.)
I would anticipate creating a single medal at first, with the option of creating others later. A volunteer graphic artist would need to create something suitable. The community would elect a panel of judges to study nominations, which would be for one or more edits, not an editor. Any user could nominate another user, and discussion would involve the entire community. Awarded medals would be added to user (talk?) pages in a template form. Democratic votes might also work, but I worry that they might be divisive. - Jakew 11:56, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Some clarifications, as a result of comments and questions on the talk page:
This is a temporary section to determine whether there is support for this proposal. Please sign below to indicate your general agreement or disagreement with the proposal. Sign with # ~~~~.
From discussion page
I have a proposition myself, a modification of this medal stuff. Let say, a controversial subject, there are a lot of debates in the talk pages to finally have a neutral article..., if a controversial article get neutral and factual after intense discussions between the two sides, those that were able to present their arguments in a civil Wiki way, and obtain a consensus. those get a group award. It could be voted by the community. In controversial subjects, people will be ready to compromise, to as a group get a distinction to work in the community. It could be called something like the WikiCup, and could be given to the same group for the same article more than once. It will encourage people to work in group and compromise and be civil with each others. Fadix 19:36, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
User:Nickptar, could you clarify what you mean by this? I think we need to have group awards, which will award more than just a person. Writting of articles are the result of dozens of hours of discussions, debates, compromise and solutions..., I can't see how awarding for this, could be bad. Fadix 23:56, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I will abstain voting, because I don't like voting on my own propositions. Fadix 16:10, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
This is a refinement of Proposal 1. Some people dislike the formal nature of that proposal. Instead, people sign up to assess nominations, and these people thus form the WikiMedal team.
This is a proposal for a category barnstar. It will be awarded to whoever makes a great contribution to articles in the field of manga and anime. Since there's already a personal award called the 'Pokestar', and possibly more similar ones will be created, why not have an official manga and anime barnstar?
To the right is an image I've come up with.
-- Ynhockey 18:04, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Discussion on the Manga and Anime Barnstar has been at a standstill for about a month. If no attempts at reviving it are made within a week, it will be archived. Thanks, Sango 123 (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
We don't need barnstars for every Gosh-darned thing. Ashibaka tock 02:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Moving to left
I support an anime/manga sakura tree. Only problem is where to get a non-copyrighted/fair use image for it. -- Y
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Talk Y 07:24, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
UPDATE: Finally have some time to work on it. Should have a prototype of the "BarnSakura" here in the next day or so.-- み使い Mitsukai 05:41, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
BarnSakura draft 1.png "BarnSakura" draft image |
Okay, folks, here's the draft of the BarnSakura. Note I said draft; I'm going to tweak it based on what suggestions I get here (one thing I do want to do is mute the colors a little more). The question for you all is do you want a more realistic design (which is sort of what I have here) or a more stylized design (leaning more towards pop art)?-- み使い Mitsukai 03:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
BarnSakura.png "BarnSakura" draft image, round 2 |
Okay, here's the second round of the BarnSakura. I fringed the inner petals a bit to give it a bit more of a realistic and textured look, and muted the colors to a little closer to natural. Gave it flares, both for "The Shiny look" as well as softening the overall appearance. Let me know what you all think.-- み使い Mitsukai 23:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to see something like "Honourable Order of the Wikipedia Stub Rehabilitation Society", which could be awarded to people who rescue items from AFD and similar lists by making comprehensive rewrites duing the voting period. I've one particular recipient in mind, but I know of several whom this could easily be awarded to. Grutness... wha? 05:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Just took a stab at it, a lot of directions we can go from there. I especially want to do some creative changes to the Barnstar in the background, just unsure exactly what would be best to compliment the helicopter, or if we want a RedCross instead; and/or I could make the helicopter a brown barnstar color scheme and do something bright in the background, such as a RedCross (second draft) but inside a Barnstar outline (didn't look good when I tried it). (also I don't like the blue roter blades... but making it look cool might be beyond my skills) - Roy Boy 800 18:25, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
For some reason, my browser's not letting me see your designs, but if I get the drift of them right, what about simply a rescue helicopter with a small barnstar hanging from the end of a rope below it? Grutness... wha? 02:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I like proposal 3 - I think the brown and red get a bit lost against each other in the other two. Grutness... wha? 08:57, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I also like the third one, it's much better than the other two overall. However, you should probably improve the rotors. -- Ynhockey 14:43, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
How's this? (I cheated and used a real helicopter image. ;-) Sango 123 (talk) 15:35, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm... this would be tough now. We need a balance between wit and information. A nice name that is also informative. Red Cross Barnstar, or M.A.S.H. Barnstar, for example, don't really emphasise that the awardee rescued articles from AfD. How about something like Operation: AfD Rescue Barnstar? Granted, that's slightly unwieldy, but I'm just brainstorming here. My brain has a lot of rubbish in it. -- D e ath phoenix 17:48, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry to come in late and be a wet blanket, but I'm not so sure about this star. We have so many barnstars already, wouldn't a "Working Man", "Editor", or "Diligance" star be just as good? At 25 stars and counting, we're starting to suffer from serious barnstar creep. – Clockwork Soul 07:40, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I really like this idea, and I think article rescue is a unique enough activity to merit a separate accounting. It's not unheard of for something to be deleted just because folks on AFD aren't familiar with the topic, and this barnstar would award a much-needed service. The 'hanging barnstar' is also a great graphic concept.-- Pharos 13:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Any progress anyone? Shall we have a straw poll on the third and fourth drafts?? It has been way too delayed. -- Gurubrahma 14:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
I think a heli is to much, perhaps a somethig smaller:
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Image:Olympic Barnstar.png The Olympic Barnstar. For excelling work in sports-related articles. Hi, while we're discussion in the topic above the appearence of our "Citizen of the World Award" (as suggested by Rama), I realized by looking at our Barnstars template that we had no award for efforts in one of the most popular themes on Wikipedia (and anywhere): sports, or more appropriately, efforst in sports-related articles/themes. So I'd like to submit this image I created myself from two other images we had here on Wikipedia (you tell me if I got it right). I call it "The Olympic Barnstar" (obviously). Regards, Redux 16:00, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Well, the black ring seems quite clear to me, especially since the barnstar is brownish ("rusty"), which makes the contrast sufficient to distinguish the two. The black ring is also made clear because of it's intersection with the two inner rings. I did take it into consideration, since I noticed that the black ring would be the only one of the five to be completely "contained" in the barnstar. This layout appeared optimal to me because I didn't want either the barnstar or the rings to be disproportional in size in relation to the other image, and having the rings centered in the barnstar provides a sense of simetry (which in my opinion wouldn't exist if the rings were higher or lower in relation to the barnstar). As for the background, actually it was the software I used to merge the two images that implemented the white background. I did notice it, but since the idea is that the barnstars have no background, I did not consider it an issue (besides, if the image is not framed – as in a thumb – in a page, it guarantees that it blends perfectly into the page, so that we only see the barnstar, and not the "edges" surrounding it). I do believe that this design is quite satisfactory. Regards, Redux 02:53, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The image of the rings that I used to create this image came from Wikipedia itself. As stated in its Image page, it falls under the fair use parameters. This is the tag that's in the image's page. It's used in quite a few pages (use this link to see the page → Image:Olympic-rings.png), and it has not been contested (I believe, or maybe it was, but there was a consensus about it being ok – especially in 2004, since it was an " olympic year", which puts everything related to the Olympics in the spotlight). I don't believe that this is going to be an issue here. Regards, Redux 04:13, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Putting aside any issues concerning the design itself, I'd like to go back to the "fair use or not fair use" point. As I've said in my previous comment, I used an image of the rings from Wikipedia, which apparently had already been established as fair use. If we are considering the possibility that it is actually not, the issue would transcend the creation of a wiki award, since the image is being used in a boatload of articles (see the image's page). Unless you meant that it is not fair use only to use them in the image as I've done. I don't see how this could be though, either it's fair use to use the rings or not, and then they couldn't appear at all in the website. By what I've seen in the image's page, it appears that the community accepted it as fair use under our policy (at least I believe it's a policy...) that a trademark logo can be used as fair use (again, that's what the tamplate tag that's in the image's page says). In my opinion (and I emphasize that), in light of all that I've just said, I still believe that it's not a copyright issue. Regards, Redux 20:42, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
So the point is whether or not the rings can be used in this context. Well, if I had to analyse it, I'd say that the Olympic Emblem, although integrated in this new image, still stands for exactly what it does when seen alone: the Olympic Movement, as the highest symbol of sports, and not just any given event, but sports in general. Its presence in this image aims to create exactly this association with sports in general by evoking the so-called "Olympic spirit", which pertains to sports, not Greek mithology or the real mountain in Greece (might have gone a little overboard with the "philosophy" of it all?). It's not as though we were, for instance, trying to use the rings as a symbol for Wikipedia ("the sportive encyclopedia"?). Considering the comparison with medals, if you think about it (or overthink it), technically they weren't conceived to illustrate an encyclopedic article, or to represent directly the event or situation in which they were given, they are prizes given to athletes that participate in the sporting events that awards them. What I mean by this is that, if you spend enough time and energy, you can always find a loophole in any theory, and if you're well-spoken enough, you can make it convincing enough for others. Bottom line is, it appears (to me) that it stands to reason that, if using the image of the rings is fair use in pages about the Olympics, athletes and even sporting events (in the list of pages of the Image Page, we see links to all those sorts of pages), it would be the same with this image, which embodies sports (and not, as I said, any other thing for which one could be trying to make them a symbol).
But maybe we could remove the polemics quicker (although it might be good if we could somehow establish a consesus to serve as a guideline, so that in the future similar situations can be dealt with faster, or even avoided altogether): we could try to come up with some other image, using some sort of sports-allusive image that we already have in Wikipedia, maybe a football? I did like that image I came up with, but it's really not that important, especially if we're going to spend zions discussing the "technicalities" (although a copyvio is not a technicality, but still) of it. I'll try to find something else (unless we somehow establish that the rings are ok). Regards,
Redux 02:23, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Both the images used to compose the models with the barnstar had tags of being released in the public domain, so there shouldn't be any copyright issues. Personally, I think that the Model 1 is better – Model 2 is a little rough around the edges, but I've said before I'm no graphic wizard (but if this is preferred, someone could improve the quality of it...). If someone has other suggestions, I'm open for it. Regards, Redux 03:26, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It's a good idea. In fact I already tried it, but I was unable to get rid of the football's image's white quadrilateral background, which was then interfering with the barnstar image and making the collage somewhat "ugly". It would be nice if someone could give it a try though. It will probably look better than my original Model 1. Regards, Redux 22:23, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Sounds good to me too. Do we have this image of a tennis ball here on Wikipedia? Or maybe you have (or can get) one? If you can compose the image and post it, so we could see how it looks, it would be great. It will probably do the trick and we'll have our sportive award. Regards, Redux 03:01, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I couldn't find a free image either. But how about this alternative: instead of a ball (any ball), what if we put in front of the barnstar a checkered flag – like one of those we see at the end of car races? It's a symbol generally associated not only with winning, but also with completing a "mission" (in races, completing the race, but here it could be the task of improving an article related to sports). For the same reasons, it's also a symbol highly associated with sports, and for our award objective, it would also have the additional advantage of not obscuring the barnstar. Our article on the item only offers a view of what would be the "cloth", but it should not be too complicated to engineer a pole to go with it. Although for a better display it would be more interesting to have the flag slightly tilted and with the cloth part "waving in the wind". Can someone come up with that? If that's possible to do, I imagine it could solve the problem. Regards, Redux 05:42, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Definately worth taking a look at. Can you come up with that design? Regards, Redux 05:33, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It looks good to me. But just to avoid any future questioning, I'd like to ask if you can verify that the image you used over the barnstar (the running man in the yellow circle) is indeed free, that is, not under any coyright restriction. Regards, Redux 23:38, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
That being the case, this could be it. I'd like to have some other opinions on the award though, so that we can have a consensus on it. Also, Zscout370 was going to upload a design of his combining the barnstar with a checkered flag. If he does, we can have a choice between the two also. Regards, Redux 03:40, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Let's see then the gold barnstar. What worries me is that the running man is also on a yellowish background (although not gold), which could sort of blend the running man with the barnstar a little too much. But we'd have to see it to evaluate it. As for the name "sportive award", it was just the title of this discussion, meaning that it was aimed at creating an award for efforts in sports-related articles. I haven't gotten around to thinking of names yet, but I guess the word "barnstar" would have to be there, since it will feature a barnstar, and it would be interesting to have it make some sort of reference to sports. I don't know if "gold" is allusive enough. Off the top of my head, I could think of "Barnstar of WikiSport" (or maybe drop the "wiki" and call it "Barnstar of Sports", simple and straight to the point). Or maybe: "Barnstar of Sportmanship"? Regards, Redux 19:41, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The second image looks reasonably good, but I didn't quite like the third. I would have to say that, of the three images, the original one still looks best though. Have you tried painting the barnstar in silver? We must be clear that this award, although it will relate to sports, is not a mimicry of a medal (namely, an olympic medal), and thus I don't see it as necessary or even important that it be painted in gold. Silver is a color used in many other sportive paraphernalia (such as throphies), and would be (if it looks good) just as suitable a color as gold, with the additional advantage of not blending with "the running man". If it doesn't look good, I'd say we should stick with the original image. Regards, Redux 03:19, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I took the liberty or repositioning your last two images. You're right, #5 does look better than #4. Here's an idea: why not take image #5 and paint the running man in gold? It might create an interesting effect (or it might ruin the whole thing). So far, however, I still think that the original image looks better (my own suggestion of having the barnstar painted silver did not yeld a superior result, in my humble opinion). As for ClockworkSoul's suggestion for a new design, if someone can create the image, it'd be worth taking in consideration. And indeed, it could be that the problem is that the colors may be a little off. Regards, Redux 04:54, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Version #2 would be acceptable, but if you ask me, I still think that the original (#1) is the better looking one. If it's between the already posted images, I vote for Image #1. Regards, Redux 13:57, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Here are a few attempts by me. The color I used came from an HTML color chart which called it "Gold - old" which sounds like it should be the right color, but it can be easily changed. I'm still figuring out how to make it look raised or stamped into the medal. -- brian0918 ™ 14:52, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Oops, I realized that I forgot to desaturate the original barnstar image, so the "old gold" color was way off. Here is a more correct version, although if you like the originals, go with it. Here is the site where I chose the colors; they list 3 different "gold" colors there:
Looks like we all like the gold star idea, and are getting very close to closing in on an image, but now what do we call it?
What do you guys think? – Clockwork Soul 20:35, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I like Gold Barnstar, but here are some other suggestions: Gold Medal Barnstar, Barnstar Medal (redundant?), Golden Barnstar, SportStar, or the not-so-popular Cheddar Cheese-Colored Barnstar (C3star for short :)) -- brian0918 ™ 20:59, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I like Gold Barnstar, followed closely by Go-for-the-Gold Barnstar. I don't think it's too close to the
Gold Star because it's a barnstar, and it's gold. I don't think anyone can claim plagiarism. in this case. --
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phoenix 21:59, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I must say, I wasn't thinking about the "Governator" when I proposed the name. It was only when I read Brian's and Deathphoenix's posts that I made the connection. I don't know that most people would make any connection to Schwarzenegger because of that movie from the 80's. We started calling the image "the running man" because that's what he is "doing". As it turns out, it would work for the award name, because running (or jogging) is an activity closely associated with practising sports. I still think it would work. But I must insist that we agree on the image for the award before we get too much into name choosing (unless we've already settled for Brian's proposed gold image). Regards, Redux 17:01, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I don't know, I thought this latest shinier version of the award is the better (looks more like a gold medal and stuff). But anyways, I think I have a democratic solution for this. I put together this (totally) improvised board for us to vote in (feel free to perfect the code). So we just add our signature under the award that we prefer. Today is Tuesday, so let's say by Saturday (meaning, "late Friday") midnight (GMT) we "close the polls" and the most voted becomes the award image. Is that acceptable? That's off course assuming that we've settled for the general parameter introduced by Deathphoenix and are going to use one of Brian's designs. I thought this would help settle this. For the first vote in each award, just replace the "no votes" sentence with your signature, to cast a second, third (and so on) vote, just copy and paste the code column and replace the appropriate (be careful not to vote in the wrong image). Sorry if this is a little rudimentary, but it was the best I could come up with (maybe someone could improve the quality of this?). If the community rejects this idea to vote for the image, feel free to delete this board. Regards, Redux 21:55, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Dead line for voting: Expired. No more votes, please
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Hey, Brian, no voting twice allowed! :P – Clockwork Soul 00:53, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Dead line for voting: Expired. No more votes, please.
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PS - remember that for some of us Saturday Midnight GMT is actually "early Saturday"!
Well, the predefined period for voting has expired, and the results are plain to see. I'm posting here the new sportive award as it was chosen by the community. Any last comments? Regards, Redux 01:55, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This is my suggestion for an Olympic Barnstar. There are a lot of people (me inclusive) who are working very hard to create a better Olympics community of pages. They deserve this award because it is specific to their work on Wikipedia. It would be my honor to commend certain people with this award. Suggestions? Is it a good idea? -- Jared [T]/ [+] 19:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
One of the original options for the Running Man Barnstar originally was for us to use Olympic rings, but there were a few reasons it wasn't used. I don't remember, but I'm sure trademarks copyrights were a factor, as was the fact that we wanted to make this star for use with all sports, not just Olympic sports. While I may seem biased, since I helped create that barnstar, I'd say the Running Man Barnstar should be sufficient. --
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The Olympics Barnstar is awarded in recognition of excellent contributions to
WikiProject Sports Olympics. Further discussion on the award proposal can be found
here.
Sango
123 20:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Instead of giving barnsters, lets give users a cookie. For example...
Cookie good!-- Arm 11:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I already awarded it to Condem. General Eisenhower 22:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
This page is an archive. Do not edit the contents of this page. Please direct any additional comments to the current main page. |
Nominations for WikiMedals is a proposed scheme for positive recognition of Wikipedia contributions.
This proposal is not intended to replace barnstars, but as an addition to them. (This note is intended to clear up a matter raised in several votes below.)
I would anticipate creating a single medal at first, with the option of creating others later. A volunteer graphic artist would need to create something suitable. The community would elect a panel of judges to study nominations, which would be for one or more edits, not an editor. Any user could nominate another user, and discussion would involve the entire community. Awarded medals would be added to user (talk?) pages in a template form. Democratic votes might also work, but I worry that they might be divisive. - Jakew 11:56, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Some clarifications, as a result of comments and questions on the talk page:
This is a temporary section to determine whether there is support for this proposal. Please sign below to indicate your general agreement or disagreement with the proposal. Sign with # ~~~~.
From discussion page
I have a proposition myself, a modification of this medal stuff. Let say, a controversial subject, there are a lot of debates in the talk pages to finally have a neutral article..., if a controversial article get neutral and factual after intense discussions between the two sides, those that were able to present their arguments in a civil Wiki way, and obtain a consensus. those get a group award. It could be voted by the community. In controversial subjects, people will be ready to compromise, to as a group get a distinction to work in the community. It could be called something like the WikiCup, and could be given to the same group for the same article more than once. It will encourage people to work in group and compromise and be civil with each others. Fadix 19:36, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
User:Nickptar, could you clarify what you mean by this? I think we need to have group awards, which will award more than just a person. Writting of articles are the result of dozens of hours of discussions, debates, compromise and solutions..., I can't see how awarding for this, could be bad. Fadix 23:56, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I will abstain voting, because I don't like voting on my own propositions. Fadix 16:10, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
This is a refinement of Proposal 1. Some people dislike the formal nature of that proposal. Instead, people sign up to assess nominations, and these people thus form the WikiMedal team.
This is a proposal for a category barnstar. It will be awarded to whoever makes a great contribution to articles in the field of manga and anime. Since there's already a personal award called the 'Pokestar', and possibly more similar ones will be created, why not have an official manga and anime barnstar?
To the right is an image I've come up with.
-- Ynhockey 18:04, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Discussion on the Manga and Anime Barnstar has been at a standstill for about a month. If no attempts at reviving it are made within a week, it will be archived. Thanks, Sango 123 (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
We don't need barnstars for every Gosh-darned thing. Ashibaka tock 02:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Moving to left
I support an anime/manga sakura tree. Only problem is where to get a non-copyrighted/fair use image for it. -- Y
Ynhockey ||
Talk Y 07:24, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
UPDATE: Finally have some time to work on it. Should have a prototype of the "BarnSakura" here in the next day or so.-- み使い Mitsukai 05:41, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
BarnSakura draft 1.png "BarnSakura" draft image |
Okay, folks, here's the draft of the BarnSakura. Note I said draft; I'm going to tweak it based on what suggestions I get here (one thing I do want to do is mute the colors a little more). The question for you all is do you want a more realistic design (which is sort of what I have here) or a more stylized design (leaning more towards pop art)?-- み使い Mitsukai 03:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
BarnSakura.png "BarnSakura" draft image, round 2 |
Okay, here's the second round of the BarnSakura. I fringed the inner petals a bit to give it a bit more of a realistic and textured look, and muted the colors to a little closer to natural. Gave it flares, both for "The Shiny look" as well as softening the overall appearance. Let me know what you all think.-- み使い Mitsukai 23:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to see something like "Honourable Order of the Wikipedia Stub Rehabilitation Society", which could be awarded to people who rescue items from AFD and similar lists by making comprehensive rewrites duing the voting period. I've one particular recipient in mind, but I know of several whom this could easily be awarded to. Grutness... wha? 05:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Just took a stab at it, a lot of directions we can go from there. I especially want to do some creative changes to the Barnstar in the background, just unsure exactly what would be best to compliment the helicopter, or if we want a RedCross instead; and/or I could make the helicopter a brown barnstar color scheme and do something bright in the background, such as a RedCross (second draft) but inside a Barnstar outline (didn't look good when I tried it). (also I don't like the blue roter blades... but making it look cool might be beyond my skills) - Roy Boy 800 18:25, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
For some reason, my browser's not letting me see your designs, but if I get the drift of them right, what about simply a rescue helicopter with a small barnstar hanging from the end of a rope below it? Grutness... wha? 02:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I like proposal 3 - I think the brown and red get a bit lost against each other in the other two. Grutness... wha? 08:57, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I also like the third one, it's much better than the other two overall. However, you should probably improve the rotors. -- Ynhockey 14:43, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
How's this? (I cheated and used a real helicopter image. ;-) Sango 123 (talk) 15:35, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm... this would be tough now. We need a balance between wit and information. A nice name that is also informative. Red Cross Barnstar, or M.A.S.H. Barnstar, for example, don't really emphasise that the awardee rescued articles from AfD. How about something like Operation: AfD Rescue Barnstar? Granted, that's slightly unwieldy, but I'm just brainstorming here. My brain has a lot of rubbish in it. -- D e ath phoenix 17:48, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry to come in late and be a wet blanket, but I'm not so sure about this star. We have so many barnstars already, wouldn't a "Working Man", "Editor", or "Diligance" star be just as good? At 25 stars and counting, we're starting to suffer from serious barnstar creep. – Clockwork Soul 07:40, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I really like this idea, and I think article rescue is a unique enough activity to merit a separate accounting. It's not unheard of for something to be deleted just because folks on AFD aren't familiar with the topic, and this barnstar would award a much-needed service. The 'hanging barnstar' is also a great graphic concept.-- Pharos 13:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Any progress anyone? Shall we have a straw poll on the third and fourth drafts?? It has been way too delayed. -- Gurubrahma 14:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
I think a heli is to much, perhaps a somethig smaller:
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Image:Olympic Barnstar.png The Olympic Barnstar. For excelling work in sports-related articles. Hi, while we're discussion in the topic above the appearence of our "Citizen of the World Award" (as suggested by Rama), I realized by looking at our Barnstars template that we had no award for efforts in one of the most popular themes on Wikipedia (and anywhere): sports, or more appropriately, efforst in sports-related articles/themes. So I'd like to submit this image I created myself from two other images we had here on Wikipedia (you tell me if I got it right). I call it "The Olympic Barnstar" (obviously). Regards, Redux 16:00, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Well, the black ring seems quite clear to me, especially since the barnstar is brownish ("rusty"), which makes the contrast sufficient to distinguish the two. The black ring is also made clear because of it's intersection with the two inner rings. I did take it into consideration, since I noticed that the black ring would be the only one of the five to be completely "contained" in the barnstar. This layout appeared optimal to me because I didn't want either the barnstar or the rings to be disproportional in size in relation to the other image, and having the rings centered in the barnstar provides a sense of simetry (which in my opinion wouldn't exist if the rings were higher or lower in relation to the barnstar). As for the background, actually it was the software I used to merge the two images that implemented the white background. I did notice it, but since the idea is that the barnstars have no background, I did not consider it an issue (besides, if the image is not framed – as in a thumb – in a page, it guarantees that it blends perfectly into the page, so that we only see the barnstar, and not the "edges" surrounding it). I do believe that this design is quite satisfactory. Regards, Redux 02:53, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The image of the rings that I used to create this image came from Wikipedia itself. As stated in its Image page, it falls under the fair use parameters. This is the tag that's in the image's page. It's used in quite a few pages (use this link to see the page → Image:Olympic-rings.png), and it has not been contested (I believe, or maybe it was, but there was a consensus about it being ok – especially in 2004, since it was an " olympic year", which puts everything related to the Olympics in the spotlight). I don't believe that this is going to be an issue here. Regards, Redux 04:13, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Putting aside any issues concerning the design itself, I'd like to go back to the "fair use or not fair use" point. As I've said in my previous comment, I used an image of the rings from Wikipedia, which apparently had already been established as fair use. If we are considering the possibility that it is actually not, the issue would transcend the creation of a wiki award, since the image is being used in a boatload of articles (see the image's page). Unless you meant that it is not fair use only to use them in the image as I've done. I don't see how this could be though, either it's fair use to use the rings or not, and then they couldn't appear at all in the website. By what I've seen in the image's page, it appears that the community accepted it as fair use under our policy (at least I believe it's a policy...) that a trademark logo can be used as fair use (again, that's what the tamplate tag that's in the image's page says). In my opinion (and I emphasize that), in light of all that I've just said, I still believe that it's not a copyright issue. Regards, Redux 20:42, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
So the point is whether or not the rings can be used in this context. Well, if I had to analyse it, I'd say that the Olympic Emblem, although integrated in this new image, still stands for exactly what it does when seen alone: the Olympic Movement, as the highest symbol of sports, and not just any given event, but sports in general. Its presence in this image aims to create exactly this association with sports in general by evoking the so-called "Olympic spirit", which pertains to sports, not Greek mithology or the real mountain in Greece (might have gone a little overboard with the "philosophy" of it all?). It's not as though we were, for instance, trying to use the rings as a symbol for Wikipedia ("the sportive encyclopedia"?). Considering the comparison with medals, if you think about it (or overthink it), technically they weren't conceived to illustrate an encyclopedic article, or to represent directly the event or situation in which they were given, they are prizes given to athletes that participate in the sporting events that awards them. What I mean by this is that, if you spend enough time and energy, you can always find a loophole in any theory, and if you're well-spoken enough, you can make it convincing enough for others. Bottom line is, it appears (to me) that it stands to reason that, if using the image of the rings is fair use in pages about the Olympics, athletes and even sporting events (in the list of pages of the Image Page, we see links to all those sorts of pages), it would be the same with this image, which embodies sports (and not, as I said, any other thing for which one could be trying to make them a symbol).
But maybe we could remove the polemics quicker (although it might be good if we could somehow establish a consesus to serve as a guideline, so that in the future similar situations can be dealt with faster, or even avoided altogether): we could try to come up with some other image, using some sort of sports-allusive image that we already have in Wikipedia, maybe a football? I did like that image I came up with, but it's really not that important, especially if we're going to spend zions discussing the "technicalities" (although a copyvio is not a technicality, but still) of it. I'll try to find something else (unless we somehow establish that the rings are ok). Regards,
Redux 02:23, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Both the images used to compose the models with the barnstar had tags of being released in the public domain, so there shouldn't be any copyright issues. Personally, I think that the Model 1 is better – Model 2 is a little rough around the edges, but I've said before I'm no graphic wizard (but if this is preferred, someone could improve the quality of it...). If someone has other suggestions, I'm open for it. Regards, Redux 03:26, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It's a good idea. In fact I already tried it, but I was unable to get rid of the football's image's white quadrilateral background, which was then interfering with the barnstar image and making the collage somewhat "ugly". It would be nice if someone could give it a try though. It will probably look better than my original Model 1. Regards, Redux 22:23, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Sounds good to me too. Do we have this image of a tennis ball here on Wikipedia? Or maybe you have (or can get) one? If you can compose the image and post it, so we could see how it looks, it would be great. It will probably do the trick and we'll have our sportive award. Regards, Redux 03:01, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I couldn't find a free image either. But how about this alternative: instead of a ball (any ball), what if we put in front of the barnstar a checkered flag – like one of those we see at the end of car races? It's a symbol generally associated not only with winning, but also with completing a "mission" (in races, completing the race, but here it could be the task of improving an article related to sports). For the same reasons, it's also a symbol highly associated with sports, and for our award objective, it would also have the additional advantage of not obscuring the barnstar. Our article on the item only offers a view of what would be the "cloth", but it should not be too complicated to engineer a pole to go with it. Although for a better display it would be more interesting to have the flag slightly tilted and with the cloth part "waving in the wind". Can someone come up with that? If that's possible to do, I imagine it could solve the problem. Regards, Redux 05:42, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Definately worth taking a look at. Can you come up with that design? Regards, Redux 05:33, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It looks good to me. But just to avoid any future questioning, I'd like to ask if you can verify that the image you used over the barnstar (the running man in the yellow circle) is indeed free, that is, not under any coyright restriction. Regards, Redux 23:38, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
That being the case, this could be it. I'd like to have some other opinions on the award though, so that we can have a consensus on it. Also, Zscout370 was going to upload a design of his combining the barnstar with a checkered flag. If he does, we can have a choice between the two also. Regards, Redux 03:40, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Let's see then the gold barnstar. What worries me is that the running man is also on a yellowish background (although not gold), which could sort of blend the running man with the barnstar a little too much. But we'd have to see it to evaluate it. As for the name "sportive award", it was just the title of this discussion, meaning that it was aimed at creating an award for efforts in sports-related articles. I haven't gotten around to thinking of names yet, but I guess the word "barnstar" would have to be there, since it will feature a barnstar, and it would be interesting to have it make some sort of reference to sports. I don't know if "gold" is allusive enough. Off the top of my head, I could think of "Barnstar of WikiSport" (or maybe drop the "wiki" and call it "Barnstar of Sports", simple and straight to the point). Or maybe: "Barnstar of Sportmanship"? Regards, Redux 19:41, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The second image looks reasonably good, but I didn't quite like the third. I would have to say that, of the three images, the original one still looks best though. Have you tried painting the barnstar in silver? We must be clear that this award, although it will relate to sports, is not a mimicry of a medal (namely, an olympic medal), and thus I don't see it as necessary or even important that it be painted in gold. Silver is a color used in many other sportive paraphernalia (such as throphies), and would be (if it looks good) just as suitable a color as gold, with the additional advantage of not blending with "the running man". If it doesn't look good, I'd say we should stick with the original image. Regards, Redux 03:19, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I took the liberty or repositioning your last two images. You're right, #5 does look better than #4. Here's an idea: why not take image #5 and paint the running man in gold? It might create an interesting effect (or it might ruin the whole thing). So far, however, I still think that the original image looks better (my own suggestion of having the barnstar painted silver did not yeld a superior result, in my humble opinion). As for ClockworkSoul's suggestion for a new design, if someone can create the image, it'd be worth taking in consideration. And indeed, it could be that the problem is that the colors may be a little off. Regards, Redux 04:54, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Version #2 would be acceptable, but if you ask me, I still think that the original (#1) is the better looking one. If it's between the already posted images, I vote for Image #1. Regards, Redux 13:57, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Here are a few attempts by me. The color I used came from an HTML color chart which called it "Gold - old" which sounds like it should be the right color, but it can be easily changed. I'm still figuring out how to make it look raised or stamped into the medal. -- brian0918 ™ 14:52, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Oops, I realized that I forgot to desaturate the original barnstar image, so the "old gold" color was way off. Here is a more correct version, although if you like the originals, go with it. Here is the site where I chose the colors; they list 3 different "gold" colors there:
Looks like we all like the gold star idea, and are getting very close to closing in on an image, but now what do we call it?
What do you guys think? – Clockwork Soul 20:35, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I like Gold Barnstar, but here are some other suggestions: Gold Medal Barnstar, Barnstar Medal (redundant?), Golden Barnstar, SportStar, or the not-so-popular Cheddar Cheese-Colored Barnstar (C3star for short :)) -- brian0918 ™ 20:59, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I like Gold Barnstar, followed closely by Go-for-the-Gold Barnstar. I don't think it's too close to the
Gold Star because it's a barnstar, and it's gold. I don't think anyone can claim plagiarism. in this case. --
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phoenix 21:59, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I must say, I wasn't thinking about the "Governator" when I proposed the name. It was only when I read Brian's and Deathphoenix's posts that I made the connection. I don't know that most people would make any connection to Schwarzenegger because of that movie from the 80's. We started calling the image "the running man" because that's what he is "doing". As it turns out, it would work for the award name, because running (or jogging) is an activity closely associated with practising sports. I still think it would work. But I must insist that we agree on the image for the award before we get too much into name choosing (unless we've already settled for Brian's proposed gold image). Regards, Redux 17:01, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I don't know, I thought this latest shinier version of the award is the better (looks more like a gold medal and stuff). But anyways, I think I have a democratic solution for this. I put together this (totally) improvised board for us to vote in (feel free to perfect the code). So we just add our signature under the award that we prefer. Today is Tuesday, so let's say by Saturday (meaning, "late Friday") midnight (GMT) we "close the polls" and the most voted becomes the award image. Is that acceptable? That's off course assuming that we've settled for the general parameter introduced by Deathphoenix and are going to use one of Brian's designs. I thought this would help settle this. For the first vote in each award, just replace the "no votes" sentence with your signature, to cast a second, third (and so on) vote, just copy and paste the code column and replace the appropriate (be careful not to vote in the wrong image). Sorry if this is a little rudimentary, but it was the best I could come up with (maybe someone could improve the quality of this?). If the community rejects this idea to vote for the image, feel free to delete this board. Regards, Redux 21:55, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Dead line for voting: Expired. No more votes, please
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Hey, Brian, no voting twice allowed! :P – Clockwork Soul 00:53, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Dead line for voting: Expired. No more votes, please.
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PS - remember that for some of us Saturday Midnight GMT is actually "early Saturday"!
Well, the predefined period for voting has expired, and the results are plain to see. I'm posting here the new sportive award as it was chosen by the community. Any last comments? Regards, Redux 01:55, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This is my suggestion for an Olympic Barnstar. There are a lot of people (me inclusive) who are working very hard to create a better Olympics community of pages. They deserve this award because it is specific to their work on Wikipedia. It would be my honor to commend certain people with this award. Suggestions? Is it a good idea? -- Jared [T]/ [+] 19:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
One of the original options for the Running Man Barnstar originally was for us to use Olympic rings, but there were a few reasons it wasn't used. I don't remember, but I'm sure trademarks copyrights were a factor, as was the fact that we wanted to make this star for use with all sports, not just Olympic sports. While I may seem biased, since I helped create that barnstar, I'd say the Running Man Barnstar should be sufficient. --
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phoenix 22:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
The Olympics Barnstar is awarded in recognition of excellent contributions to
WikiProject Sports Olympics. Further discussion on the award proposal can be found
here.
Sango
123 20:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Instead of giving barnsters, lets give users a cookie. For example...
Cookie good!-- Arm 11:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I already awarded it to Condem. General Eisenhower 22:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)