- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. RL0919 ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Men
Are we in need of this? We have women deletion sorting but we have people and many occupation deletion sortings. I don't think it is needed. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:09, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- Delete This was created in connection with a proposed WikiProject that has already been rejected once by the community; the revised proposal is now at MfD, Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Men. If a WikiProject is created, all of the associated infrastructure (deletion sorting, article quality and importance tagging, etc.) gets created as well. UnitedStatesian ( talk) 20:06, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - UnitedStatesian is mistaken, and deletion sorting lists aren't strictly tied to specific WikiProjects, but rather broad topic areas. This one, for example, can be reasonably used for any deletions related to men or men's issues, just as Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women is used for women and women's issues. -- Netoholic @ 22:24, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- Question Which statement of mine is mistaken? UnitedStatesian ( talk) 01:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- Question - Why isn't this done by means of
categories?
Robert McClenon (
talk) 23:30, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- Do you mean Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting as a whole? Its primarily so that people can watchlist these and see when pages relevant to their interests are proposed for deletion. Can't "watchlist" a category. -- Netoholic @ 01:31, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Delete.Per the results of MFD:WP:MEN, there is no interest in this sort of initiative for the moment. I'd say consensus should have been sought at WT:DELSORT, but it was and only met with crickets. There's no point to this subpage unless Netoholic is going to go around somehow convince gadget and script creators to support this ridiculous thing. Even then, I'd still be voting delete because it's just not needed. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 07:30, 18 June 2019 (UTC)- Ping: Netoholic since I mentioned you. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 07:32, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- @
MJL: You are wrong about one thing - this list is -not- though directly associated with the proposed
Wikipedia:WikiProject Men - actually its purpose is two-fold. First, because
Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/People is the de facto "men" deletion list already, because women articles are largely put instead onto
Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women - so that alone demonstrates the need for this list (I doubt you could convince /Women watchers to merge theirs to /People). Secondly, it is also a place for articles related to
men's issues, without creating a more limited deletion list for that topic area. You are correct in that creating this is a necessary prelude to getting it listed in the gadget/scripts used for deletion sorting. Frankly, if this deletion goes thru, my next step would be to propose a rename of /People to /Men because that's what its function is right now anyway - and that rename will pass because its silly to have only /People and /Women... as if women aren't people, and men don't exist as a class. --
Netoholic
@ 10:47, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- @ Netoholic: Neto, I always appreciate how you ping me. It make my life so much easier! I see this arguement is ever so slightly crafted as to be different than the MFD I mentioned. I've stricken my !vote to see what other users have to say on the matter. I find this contention to be more compelling than previous, and I have no easy answer or response. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 16:10, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - As I understand how what this is, this is simply list of items for which deletion is being considered. No argument is being given why this deletion sorting list is disruptive. Robert McClenon ( talk) 17:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Both of you! Stop acting like boys quarreling. Robert McClenon ( talk) 17:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- Delete – To me, the page creator's statement above, "
Frankly, if this deletion goes thru, my next step would be to propose a rename of /People to /Men because that's what its function is right now anyway ...
", proves two things: (1) the creation of this page, and the WikiProject:Men, and this whole "campaign" is about proving a point ("... its silly to have only /People and /Women... as if women aren't people, and men don't exist as a class.
") and not about improving the encyclopedia, and (2) the very reason we don't need a Delsort/Men is that it's duplicative of other delsorts ("... that's what its function is right now anyway ...
"). – Leviv ich 20:07, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. RL0919 ( talk) 00:03, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Men
Are we in need of this? We have women deletion sorting but we have people and many occupation deletion sortings. I don't think it is needed. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:09, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- Delete This was created in connection with a proposed WikiProject that has already been rejected once by the community; the revised proposal is now at MfD, Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Men. If a WikiProject is created, all of the associated infrastructure (deletion sorting, article quality and importance tagging, etc.) gets created as well. UnitedStatesian ( talk) 20:06, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - UnitedStatesian is mistaken, and deletion sorting lists aren't strictly tied to specific WikiProjects, but rather broad topic areas. This one, for example, can be reasonably used for any deletions related to men or men's issues, just as Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women is used for women and women's issues. -- Netoholic @ 22:24, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- Question Which statement of mine is mistaken? UnitedStatesian ( talk) 01:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- Question - Why isn't this done by means of
categories?
Robert McClenon (
talk) 23:30, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- Do you mean Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting as a whole? Its primarily so that people can watchlist these and see when pages relevant to their interests are proposed for deletion. Can't "watchlist" a category. -- Netoholic @ 01:31, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Delete.Per the results of MFD:WP:MEN, there is no interest in this sort of initiative for the moment. I'd say consensus should have been sought at WT:DELSORT, but it was and only met with crickets. There's no point to this subpage unless Netoholic is going to go around somehow convince gadget and script creators to support this ridiculous thing. Even then, I'd still be voting delete because it's just not needed. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 07:30, 18 June 2019 (UTC)- Ping: Netoholic since I mentioned you. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 07:32, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- @
MJL: You are wrong about one thing - this list is -not- though directly associated with the proposed
Wikipedia:WikiProject Men - actually its purpose is two-fold. First, because
Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/People is the de facto "men" deletion list already, because women articles are largely put instead onto
Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women - so that alone demonstrates the need for this list (I doubt you could convince /Women watchers to merge theirs to /People). Secondly, it is also a place for articles related to
men's issues, without creating a more limited deletion list for that topic area. You are correct in that creating this is a necessary prelude to getting it listed in the gadget/scripts used for deletion sorting. Frankly, if this deletion goes thru, my next step would be to propose a rename of /People to /Men because that's what its function is right now anyway - and that rename will pass because its silly to have only /People and /Women... as if women aren't people, and men don't exist as a class. --
Netoholic
@ 10:47, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- @ Netoholic: Neto, I always appreciate how you ping me. It make my life so much easier! I see this arguement is ever so slightly crafted as to be different than the MFD I mentioned. I've stricken my !vote to see what other users have to say on the matter. I find this contention to be more compelling than previous, and I have no easy answer or response. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 16:10, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - As I understand how what this is, this is simply list of items for which deletion is being considered. No argument is being given why this deletion sorting list is disruptive. Robert McClenon ( talk) 17:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Both of you! Stop acting like boys quarreling. Robert McClenon ( talk) 17:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- Delete – To me, the page creator's statement above, "
Frankly, if this deletion goes thru, my next step would be to propose a rename of /People to /Men because that's what its function is right now anyway ...
", proves two things: (1) the creation of this page, and the WikiProject:Men, and this whole "campaign" is about proving a point ("... its silly to have only /People and /Women... as if women aren't people, and men don't exist as a class.
") and not about improving the encyclopedia, and (2) the very reason we don't need a Delsort/Men is that it's duplicative of other delsorts ("... that's what its function is right now anyway ...
"). – Leviv ich 20:07, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.