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The result of the debate was keep. Krimpet ( talk) 04:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Essay on how to deal with spammers. How does the essay suggest dealing with spammers? By getting them to leave as quickly as possible while presenting a picture of a knife used for ritualistic suicide. This may be the most inappropriate thing I've ever seen in Wikipedia space, and simply encourages more bad-fath behavior, even if it's only tagged as an essay. -- badlydrawnjeff talk 21:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Huh? I don't understand the nomination. If you don't like the knife, have you tried removing it? Is this a deletion issue?
Friday
(talk)
21:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- The whole thing is inappropriate. Thus my statement that "[t]his may be the most inappropriate thing I've ever seen in Wikipedia space." -- badlydrawnjeff talk 21:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Incredibly inappropriate. Majorly ( talk | meet) 21:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- This isn't inappropriate, it's a good essay. Jeff, how dare you try to get it deleted? If you get rid of this, you better prune a bunch of other essays, too. It's very sad that people would treat an innocent essay this way. I'm never coming to MFD again! OK, now that's out of my system, I'm gunna go ahead and say keep as a harmless essay. Friday (talk) 21:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment- Maybe it should be tagged with a parody warning like WP:STEAM, since it is in the category for Wikipedia humor. -wizzard2k ( C• T• D) 21:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Strong keep good essay, and humorous too. Wooyi Talk to me? 21:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Downright offensive. Attempts to make it less so have only been greeted with reverts. If you want to save this tasteless essay, move it in an off-site blog. — CharlotteWebb 21:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete or at least tag it as parody per wizzard2k. Not appropriate in my view. -- nae' blis 21:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Um, first of all, the caption under the knife tells spammers "it needn't come to this". In other words, "don't freak out, nobody is calling for your death, just stop doing what you're doing". I don't see what "bad faith behavior" it encourages; all it does is tell spammers that the arguments they're using are cliche and ineffective. That's a fact, and it has nothing to do with assuming good faith because this isn't meant to replace the standard initial anti-spam warnings we already give out. Before blocking a persistent spammer, though, I find it's sometimes better to direct them to a humorous essay, to tell them they're not alone and it's not too late to reform. I only wrote it a few weeks ago, and it's already helped at least two spammers (that I know of) understand what they were doing wrong. It's certainly better to feel silly for a few minutes than to be blocked indefinitely. I would support tagging it with something like what wizzard2k suggests, but deletion? C'mon. Kafziel Talk 21:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep this incredibly honest essay that has been a valuable aid to spam fighters and spammers alike. If this essay is removed, spammers will be doomed to eternally roam the articles of Wikipedia like lost souls stuck forever in purgatory. Now that would be cruel. ( Requestion 22:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC))
- Keep good and useful essay. Spammers are by definition not acting in good faith to improve the encyclopedia. We might replace the knife with a sap, but that should be an editorial decision. Tom Harrison Talk 22:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep though tag as "humor" in case someone doesn't get it (though there is a bit of truth to it!) OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep: Per reasons above and Wikipedia is not censored because something is deemed "inappropriate" by someone. This essay appears to have been helpful, and it is funny. There is also some truth in it, tag as humor or whatever needs to be done in that respect but there isn't any reason to delete this. I don't like it isn't really a criteria for deletion. IvoShandor 23:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- I created a template in my userspace (a la 'test') for essay parodies ( User:Wizzard2k/Template:parody). I pretty much copied the hardcoded text from WP:STEAM, added a little from Template:Essay and saved it temporarily to my userspace. If you think its useable, I'll figure out how to move it somewhere appropriate, and we can tag this essay with it and be done. -wizzard2k ( C• T• D) 23:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. A useful essay, and firmly tongue-in-cheek so far as the humor goes. Have a sense of humor, people, please. RJASE1 Talk 23:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. It's actually pretty realistic if you think about it. As for me, I've seen worse. bibliomaniac 1 5 00:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. The essay is categorized as humor. Someone was kind enough to fix the links others found objectionable. What is not funny is spammers! Stage 7 - delete WP:GRIEF. 4.246.228.78 02:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Per
this, humor has no place on wikipedia.
ThuranX
03:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Err...no. Pages that violate the core license of Wikipedia have no place on Wikipedia. Humor has nothing to do with it.
Metros
03:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment, no it's about the humor, and any editor can see it.
ThuranX
03:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- No, it was all about a lack of humor, besides WP:NOT#CENSORED. ( Requestion 14:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC))
- Comment, no it's about the humor, and any editor can see it.
ThuranX
03:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Of course it has a place, right here. -wizzard2k ( C• T• D) 04:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Err...no. Pages that violate the core license of Wikipedia have no place on Wikipedia. Humor has nothing to do with it.
Metros
03:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Despite being tongue-in-cheek, it's amazingly accurate at describing the reactions of spammers. -- Versageek 03:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Funny. Herostratus 04:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Who does this hurt exactly? - Bagel7 What ya say, what ya say, what ya say, what??? 08:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Sheesh. Femto 13:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep There's room for humorous essays here. hmwith talk 14:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Good grief! I think it's hilarious.
WP:ILIKEIT is totally legit for humorous essays.
Yechiel
Man
14:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- "Good grief"... He he. Congrats on that one. Femto 10:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - uh, it's been tagged as a essay, so i think we can safely assume no one is going to delete the mainpage with it on their sleeve (as in not guideline/policy). its funny, and thats about it. it ain't doin' no 'arm! if you find it offensive, don't read it. hate to see what would happen in ya'll ran across the oral sex article or somethin'. and hope ya don't find Category:Wikipedia_humor, uh-oh! JoeSmack Talk 15:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep It is marked as a parody now, but IMHO noone should need that warning. Erik Warmelink 19:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep and gimme a break. Stammer 20:12, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep and featured-article status, BJAODN the MFD.-- WaltCip 20:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Might be difficult WaltCip, all the BJADON pages have been speedly deleted! See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#BJAODN Deleted. -- tgheretford ( talk) 21:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Only the ones that were probably copyvio were deleted. There still are quite a few, as well as most of the April Fools jokes. -wizzard2k ( C• T• D) 22:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - What is so wrong with keeping this? -- Tλε Rαnδоm Eδι τ оr 17:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. It's great for morale among those of us who are dedicated to defending this encyclopedia from those who would misuse it in nearly every way which is detailed in What Wikipedia is not. Its humour may help turn some offenders toward the good as well. — Athaenara ✉ 05:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
- Comment- Is it just a coincidence that this is beginning to look epitomic of WP:STEAM? -wizzard2k ( C• T• D) 06:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. "[t]his may be the most...[funny] thing I've ever seen in Wikipedia space." Tim Q. Wells 07:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellany page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was keep. Krimpet ( talk) 04:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Essay on how to deal with spammers. How does the essay suggest dealing with spammers? By getting them to leave as quickly as possible while presenting a picture of a knife used for ritualistic suicide. This may be the most inappropriate thing I've ever seen in Wikipedia space, and simply encourages more bad-fath behavior, even if it's only tagged as an essay. -- badlydrawnjeff talk 21:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Huh? I don't understand the nomination. If you don't like the knife, have you tried removing it? Is this a deletion issue?
Friday
(talk)
21:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- The whole thing is inappropriate. Thus my statement that "[t]his may be the most inappropriate thing I've ever seen in Wikipedia space." -- badlydrawnjeff talk 21:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Incredibly inappropriate. Majorly ( talk | meet) 21:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- This isn't inappropriate, it's a good essay. Jeff, how dare you try to get it deleted? If you get rid of this, you better prune a bunch of other essays, too. It's very sad that people would treat an innocent essay this way. I'm never coming to MFD again! OK, now that's out of my system, I'm gunna go ahead and say keep as a harmless essay. Friday (talk) 21:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment- Maybe it should be tagged with a parody warning like WP:STEAM, since it is in the category for Wikipedia humor. -wizzard2k ( C• T• D) 21:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Strong keep good essay, and humorous too. Wooyi Talk to me? 21:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Downright offensive. Attempts to make it less so have only been greeted with reverts. If you want to save this tasteless essay, move it in an off-site blog. — CharlotteWebb 21:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete or at least tag it as parody per wizzard2k. Not appropriate in my view. -- nae' blis 21:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Um, first of all, the caption under the knife tells spammers "it needn't come to this". In other words, "don't freak out, nobody is calling for your death, just stop doing what you're doing". I don't see what "bad faith behavior" it encourages; all it does is tell spammers that the arguments they're using are cliche and ineffective. That's a fact, and it has nothing to do with assuming good faith because this isn't meant to replace the standard initial anti-spam warnings we already give out. Before blocking a persistent spammer, though, I find it's sometimes better to direct them to a humorous essay, to tell them they're not alone and it's not too late to reform. I only wrote it a few weeks ago, and it's already helped at least two spammers (that I know of) understand what they were doing wrong. It's certainly better to feel silly for a few minutes than to be blocked indefinitely. I would support tagging it with something like what wizzard2k suggests, but deletion? C'mon. Kafziel Talk 21:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep this incredibly honest essay that has been a valuable aid to spam fighters and spammers alike. If this essay is removed, spammers will be doomed to eternally roam the articles of Wikipedia like lost souls stuck forever in purgatory. Now that would be cruel. ( Requestion 22:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC))
- Keep good and useful essay. Spammers are by definition not acting in good faith to improve the encyclopedia. We might replace the knife with a sap, but that should be an editorial decision. Tom Harrison Talk 22:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep though tag as "humor" in case someone doesn't get it (though there is a bit of truth to it!) OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep: Per reasons above and Wikipedia is not censored because something is deemed "inappropriate" by someone. This essay appears to have been helpful, and it is funny. There is also some truth in it, tag as humor or whatever needs to be done in that respect but there isn't any reason to delete this. I don't like it isn't really a criteria for deletion. IvoShandor 23:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- I created a template in my userspace (a la 'test') for essay parodies ( User:Wizzard2k/Template:parody). I pretty much copied the hardcoded text from WP:STEAM, added a little from Template:Essay and saved it temporarily to my userspace. If you think its useable, I'll figure out how to move it somewhere appropriate, and we can tag this essay with it and be done. -wizzard2k ( C• T• D) 23:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. A useful essay, and firmly tongue-in-cheek so far as the humor goes. Have a sense of humor, people, please. RJASE1 Talk 23:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. It's actually pretty realistic if you think about it. As for me, I've seen worse. bibliomaniac 1 5 00:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. The essay is categorized as humor. Someone was kind enough to fix the links others found objectionable. What is not funny is spammers! Stage 7 - delete WP:GRIEF. 4.246.228.78 02:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Per
this, humor has no place on wikipedia.
ThuranX
03:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Err...no. Pages that violate the core license of Wikipedia have no place on Wikipedia. Humor has nothing to do with it.
Metros
03:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment, no it's about the humor, and any editor can see it.
ThuranX
03:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- No, it was all about a lack of humor, besides WP:NOT#CENSORED. ( Requestion 14:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC))
- Comment, no it's about the humor, and any editor can see it.
ThuranX
03:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Of course it has a place, right here. -wizzard2k ( C• T• D) 04:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Err...no. Pages that violate the core license of Wikipedia have no place on Wikipedia. Humor has nothing to do with it.
Metros
03:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Despite being tongue-in-cheek, it's amazingly accurate at describing the reactions of spammers. -- Versageek 03:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Funny. Herostratus 04:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Who does this hurt exactly? - Bagel7 What ya say, what ya say, what ya say, what??? 08:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Sheesh. Femto 13:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep There's room for humorous essays here. hmwith talk 14:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Good grief! I think it's hilarious.
WP:ILIKEIT is totally legit for humorous essays.
Yechiel
Man
14:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- "Good grief"... He he. Congrats on that one. Femto 10:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - uh, it's been tagged as a essay, so i think we can safely assume no one is going to delete the mainpage with it on their sleeve (as in not guideline/policy). its funny, and thats about it. it ain't doin' no 'arm! if you find it offensive, don't read it. hate to see what would happen in ya'll ran across the oral sex article or somethin'. and hope ya don't find Category:Wikipedia_humor, uh-oh! JoeSmack Talk 15:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep It is marked as a parody now, but IMHO noone should need that warning. Erik Warmelink 19:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep and gimme a break. Stammer 20:12, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep and featured-article status, BJAODN the MFD.-- WaltCip 20:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Might be difficult WaltCip, all the BJADON pages have been speedly deleted! See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#BJAODN Deleted. -- tgheretford ( talk) 21:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Only the ones that were probably copyvio were deleted. There still are quite a few, as well as most of the April Fools jokes. -wizzard2k ( C• T• D) 22:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - What is so wrong with keeping this? -- Tλε Rαnδоm Eδι τ оr 17:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. It's great for morale among those of us who are dedicated to defending this encyclopedia from those who would misuse it in nearly every way which is detailed in What Wikipedia is not. Its humour may help turn some offenders toward the good as well. — Athaenara ✉ 05:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
- Comment- Is it just a coincidence that this is beginning to look epitomic of WP:STEAM? -wizzard2k ( C• T• D) 06:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. "[t]his may be the most...[funny] thing I've ever seen in Wikipedia space." Tim Q. Wells 07:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.