- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: userfy then redirect. Userfy to User:Fabartus/ASCII then redirect to ASCII. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts ❤️ (no relation) 18:54, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia:ASCII
This isn't an anything. Projectspace is not a storage space for random lookup tables, and it isn't clear what is supposed to be looking it up anyway. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) ( talk) 19:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Comment only the blocked user would know what it is for and most likely worthless anyway. Catfurball ( talk) 20:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Userfy to
User:Fabartus/ASCII. —
SmokeyJoe (
talk)
09:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- What's the point of userfying something for a user who was indeffed six years ago? (fwiw I'd completely forgotten about that when I made the nom.)
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
09:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- One point is that it’s good enough, and d could have been done without XfD. As a Userpage, it looks better than several of his others.
- If he is unblocked, there no reason for him to not have access to this page. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 12:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- What's the point of userfying something for a user who was indeffed six years ago? (fwiw I'd completely forgotten about that when I made the nom.)
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
09:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- What is it about Wikipedia that has informed you that it is a free indefinite Web hosting space for users regardless of whether they are free to edit here or not?
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
22:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- It was written when he wasn’t blocked. It was conceivably written for the benefit of the project. An account being blocked is not a reason for deletion of the accounts userspace pages.
- You now allege that Web hosting is at play. That wasn’t in your nomination. Looking at page views, they are not negligible, so maybe it is being used as a free web host resource. That’s a good reason to delete.
- If I has the ability to move without a redirect, I’d have moved it without redirect to the authors userspace.
- I don’t particularly oppose deletion, but my suggestion is to Userfy from projectspace things that don’t belong there and would not cause concern if in userspace.
SmokeyJoe (
talk)
11:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- What is your actual policy-based argument for this?
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
21:47, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- WP:PPP and the implication to avoid creating busywork that distracts the volunteers from useful stuff.
- Junk in projectspace? First thought should be to Userfy it, not to create a community discussion.
SmokeyJoe (
talk)
01:30, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- My first thought was to summarily delete it. Any professed desire to avoid wasting the community's time is somewhat contradicted by the invention of rules that non-anythings be kept around in other namespaces indefinately for no other reason than that it means not deleting them.
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
02:15, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- I think it would be better to Userfy things like this. And separately, if something is redundant to something else, the first thought should be to redirect. So, “userfy, then redirect”. I’m sorry that you don’t like my opinion. If you want to challenge me on why I have some opinions, the answers could well touch things not well connected to the page in question.
- I disagree that the page is a non-anything. It looks potentially useful for something associated with Wikipedia. Yes, old and redundant, but mfd is not well used to discussed everything old and redundant. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 02:36, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- My first thought was to summarily delete it. Any professed desire to avoid wasting the community's time is somewhat contradicted by the invention of rules that non-anythings be kept around in other namespaces indefinately for no other reason than that it means not deleting them.
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
02:15, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- What is your actual policy-based argument for this?
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
21:47, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- What is it about Wikipedia that has informed you that it is a free indefinite Web hosting space for users regardless of whether they are free to edit here or not?
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
22:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- User without redirect to User:Fabartus/ASCII, and redirect that to ASCII.
- i.e. put the history in userspace, leave nothing in projectspace, and send anyone casually coming across it to the most relevant mainspace article. —08:51, 2 December 2023 (UTC) SmokeyJoe ( talk) 08:51, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to
ASCII. This is article content. It exists in the
ASCII article, formatted very similarly. If someone wants an ASCII reference on-site, they should search for "ASCII", and if they search for "Wikipedia:ASCII" for whatever reason, they should be redirected to the ASCII article.—
Alalch E.
00:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- Doing what SmokeyJoe suggests (userfy and then redirect) is also good. — Alalch E. 12:44, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- Whoops.
Doing...
Queen
of
Hearts ❤️ (no relation)
23:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: userfy then redirect. Userfy to User:Fabartus/ASCII then redirect to ASCII. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts ❤️ (no relation) 18:54, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia:ASCII
This isn't an anything. Projectspace is not a storage space for random lookup tables, and it isn't clear what is supposed to be looking it up anyway. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) ( talk) 19:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Comment only the blocked user would know what it is for and most likely worthless anyway. Catfurball ( talk) 20:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Userfy to
User:Fabartus/ASCII. —
SmokeyJoe (
talk)
09:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- What's the point of userfying something for a user who was indeffed six years ago? (fwiw I'd completely forgotten about that when I made the nom.)
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
09:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- One point is that it’s good enough, and d could have been done without XfD. As a Userpage, it looks better than several of his others.
- If he is unblocked, there no reason for him to not have access to this page. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 12:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- What's the point of userfying something for a user who was indeffed six years ago? (fwiw I'd completely forgotten about that when I made the nom.)
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
09:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- What is it about Wikipedia that has informed you that it is a free indefinite Web hosting space for users regardless of whether they are free to edit here or not?
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
22:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- It was written when he wasn’t blocked. It was conceivably written for the benefit of the project. An account being blocked is not a reason for deletion of the accounts userspace pages.
- You now allege that Web hosting is at play. That wasn’t in your nomination. Looking at page views, they are not negligible, so maybe it is being used as a free web host resource. That’s a good reason to delete.
- If I has the ability to move without a redirect, I’d have moved it without redirect to the authors userspace.
- I don’t particularly oppose deletion, but my suggestion is to Userfy from projectspace things that don’t belong there and would not cause concern if in userspace.
SmokeyJoe (
talk)
11:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- What is your actual policy-based argument for this?
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
21:47, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- WP:PPP and the implication to avoid creating busywork that distracts the volunteers from useful stuff.
- Junk in projectspace? First thought should be to Userfy it, not to create a community discussion.
SmokeyJoe (
talk)
01:30, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- My first thought was to summarily delete it. Any professed desire to avoid wasting the community's time is somewhat contradicted by the invention of rules that non-anythings be kept around in other namespaces indefinately for no other reason than that it means not deleting them.
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
02:15, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- I think it would be better to Userfy things like this. And separately, if something is redundant to something else, the first thought should be to redirect. So, “userfy, then redirect”. I’m sorry that you don’t like my opinion. If you want to challenge me on why I have some opinions, the answers could well touch things not well connected to the page in question.
- I disagree that the page is a non-anything. It looks potentially useful for something associated with Wikipedia. Yes, old and redundant, but mfd is not well used to discussed everything old and redundant. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 02:36, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- My first thought was to summarily delete it. Any professed desire to avoid wasting the community's time is somewhat contradicted by the invention of rules that non-anythings be kept around in other namespaces indefinately for no other reason than that it means not deleting them.
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
02:15, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- What is your actual policy-based argument for this?
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
21:47, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- What is it about Wikipedia that has informed you that it is a free indefinite Web hosting space for users regardless of whether they are free to edit here or not?
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
22:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- User without redirect to User:Fabartus/ASCII, and redirect that to ASCII.
- i.e. put the history in userspace, leave nothing in projectspace, and send anyone casually coming across it to the most relevant mainspace article. —08:51, 2 December 2023 (UTC) SmokeyJoe ( talk) 08:51, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to
ASCII. This is article content. It exists in the
ASCII article, formatted very similarly. If someone wants an ASCII reference on-site, they should search for "ASCII", and if they search for "Wikipedia:ASCII" for whatever reason, they should be redirected to the ASCII article.—
Alalch E.
00:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- Doing what SmokeyJoe suggests (userfy and then redirect) is also good. — Alalch E. 12:44, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- Whoops.
Doing...
Queen
of
Hearts ❤️ (no relation)
23:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)