- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete (G3) by User:Liz. — xaosflux Talk 04:43, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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Draft:John Paul Kelly (
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- Another time stamp. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 04:58, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Time stamp correction for relisting below. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 22:32, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
May 2014 draft already covered by
John Paul Kelly.
Ricky81682 (
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10:39, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as not needed and not useful. Need to clear stale draft backlog. Legacypac ( talk) 18:45, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to the mainspace article. There is no need or reason for deletion. These space-wasting nominations are to be discouraged. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 02:57, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as unlikely needed. SwisterTwister talk 06:20, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Delete - Not needed, get rid. JMHamo ( talk) 23:45, 12 February 2016 (UTC)- Delete per JMHamo. No reason to redirect a draft back to mainspace.
Chrisw80 (
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04:50, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Redirect to John Paul Kelly. North America 1000 16:52, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- Neutral. Going with the strike above. The redirect target I suggested is for a different subject.
North America
1000
22:14, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- Neutral. Going with the strike above. The redirect target I suggested is for a different subject.
North America
1000
22:14, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect per User:Northamerica1000. This is the standard way of dealing with duplications. No reason to delete. 103.6.159.92 ( talk) 13:47, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Redirect to mainspace article. This is the standard way to deal with a duplication in userspace. Please read the instructions at the top of the "Miscellany for deletion" page (the page you are looking at now): "Note that we do not delete user subpages merely to "clean up" userspace. Please only nominate pages that are problematic under our guidelines." And under WP:STALE, stale drafts should only be deleted if "problematic even if blanked," which is not true here. Fagles ( talk) 13:39, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 20:29, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 20:29, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I've have completely discounted every above comment and relisted this discussion. It took me only ten seconds to see that this draft and the linked article are not about the same person (they don't even play the same sport, for God's sakes), and that the similarly-named John-Paul Kelly is yet a third person. As a result, every single above vote is based on a false premise, and this whole discussion needs to re-start from scratch. Courtesy pings: @ Ricky81682:@ Legacypac:@ SmokeyJoe:@ JMHamo:@ Chrisw80:@ Northamerica1000:@ Fagles: Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 20:29, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- Delete It's a BLP with no references. I can't find any confirmation he existed, so unless someone can come up with sources, it should be 'deleted. He is not either of the two Rugby players listed at John_Kelly either. Legacypac ( talk) 20:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC) (I now think it is a hoax) Legacypac ( talk) 17:45, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: Please don't strike-through my comments, my comment still stands irrespective. How do you know I was operating under a false premise? Chrisw80 ( talk) 20:54, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you Oiyarbepsy, you are quite right. It is a BLP, but I see no BLP issues. It makes some grand notability claims, without sources, and I fail to verify them using google. I would prefer to see it go through the normal Draft/AfC process. It is not the business of MfD to review every poor draft. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 23:17, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's not an AFC page so there is not draft/AFC process at play here. If it's not the same person, it seems like a hoax then. --
Ricky81682 (
talk)
22:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Re Hoax? It is not a hoax, just yet another JPK footballer. I am pretty he is not Wikipedia-notable, but then I have a decided disinterest in WP:ATHLETE articles. I am tempted to say that most of them should be merged and redirected to list/table articles on teams by period. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 22:43, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Re: not an AfC page. I have never understood the distinction between an AfC page in DraftSpace and a non-AfC page in DraftSpace. I'm a bit surprised that there is a distinction. I am aware of controversy concerning third parties adding the AfC template to userpage drafts, but that's a userpage user ownership issue. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 00:07, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- G13 applies to AFC pages period, regardless of namespace. It doesn't apply to non-AFC pages. Draftspace is just another namespace and so deletion there falls under the general deletion guidelines. This is what User:MusikBot/StaleDrafts/Report was created to find, old drafts from draftspace that would not fall under G13 since they aren't AFC drafts (the expansion of G13 has been repeatedly rejected). Now the draft itself alleges that this person played for Exeter Chiefs for over a decade including numerous championships. Ignoring the fact that Exeter Chiefs is a top domestic rugby level team, for all the lauding and congratulations on the page, there is no mention of him anywhere. The biography, if accurate, would pass Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Rugby_union but again, very strange. As such, I think it's more likely a hoax and given that it is unsourced BLP with almost nothing of substance, I tend to vote delete because I find many people do care about the creation credit for pages and having a draft already in existence but poorly done will keep away the people who care about that versus deleting it (analogous to how you see WP:REDLINKS policy here). Nevertheless, I posted a comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rugby_union#Draft:John_Paul_Kelly asking for confirmation. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 00:28, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's not an AFC page so there is not draft/AFC process at play here. If it's not the same person, it seems like a hoax then. --
Ricky81682 (
talk)
22:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 16:55, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 16:55, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as apparent hoax. If the claims made were true, some confirmation could surely be found, but although "he represented Exeter Rugby Club for over a decade" he is not mentioned in this history of Exeter Rugby Club, nor does Googling "John Kelly captain Devon rugby" find any confirmation that he "captained Devon to countless County successes". JohnCD ( talk) 14:26, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
- I've now CSD'd it as a hoax. No one wants to keep it and nothing checks out here. Legacypac ( talk) 17:48, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete (G3) by User:Liz. — xaosflux Talk 04:43, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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Draft:John Paul Kelly (
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talk |
history |
links |
watch |
logs)
- Another time stamp. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 04:58, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Time stamp correction for relisting below. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 22:32, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
May 2014 draft already covered by
John Paul Kelly.
Ricky81682 (
talk)
10:39, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as not needed and not useful. Need to clear stale draft backlog. Legacypac ( talk) 18:45, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to the mainspace article. There is no need or reason for deletion. These space-wasting nominations are to be discouraged. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 02:57, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as unlikely needed. SwisterTwister talk 06:20, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Delete - Not needed, get rid. JMHamo ( talk) 23:45, 12 February 2016 (UTC)- Delete per JMHamo. No reason to redirect a draft back to mainspace.
Chrisw80 (
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04:50, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Redirect to John Paul Kelly. North America 1000 16:52, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- Neutral. Going with the strike above. The redirect target I suggested is for a different subject.
North America
1000
22:14, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- Neutral. Going with the strike above. The redirect target I suggested is for a different subject.
North America
1000
22:14, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect per User:Northamerica1000. This is the standard way of dealing with duplications. No reason to delete. 103.6.159.92 ( talk) 13:47, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Redirect to mainspace article. This is the standard way to deal with a duplication in userspace. Please read the instructions at the top of the "Miscellany for deletion" page (the page you are looking at now): "Note that we do not delete user subpages merely to "clean up" userspace. Please only nominate pages that are problematic under our guidelines." And under WP:STALE, stale drafts should only be deleted if "problematic even if blanked," which is not true here. Fagles ( talk) 13:39, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 20:29, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 20:29, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I've have completely discounted every above comment and relisted this discussion. It took me only ten seconds to see that this draft and the linked article are not about the same person (they don't even play the same sport, for God's sakes), and that the similarly-named John-Paul Kelly is yet a third person. As a result, every single above vote is based on a false premise, and this whole discussion needs to re-start from scratch. Courtesy pings: @ Ricky81682:@ Legacypac:@ SmokeyJoe:@ JMHamo:@ Chrisw80:@ Northamerica1000:@ Fagles: Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 20:29, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- Delete It's a BLP with no references. I can't find any confirmation he existed, so unless someone can come up with sources, it should be 'deleted. He is not either of the two Rugby players listed at John_Kelly either. Legacypac ( talk) 20:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC) (I now think it is a hoax) Legacypac ( talk) 17:45, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: Please don't strike-through my comments, my comment still stands irrespective. How do you know I was operating under a false premise? Chrisw80 ( talk) 20:54, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you Oiyarbepsy, you are quite right. It is a BLP, but I see no BLP issues. It makes some grand notability claims, without sources, and I fail to verify them using google. I would prefer to see it go through the normal Draft/AfC process. It is not the business of MfD to review every poor draft. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 23:17, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's not an AFC page so there is not draft/AFC process at play here. If it's not the same person, it seems like a hoax then. --
Ricky81682 (
talk)
22:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Re Hoax? It is not a hoax, just yet another JPK footballer. I am pretty he is not Wikipedia-notable, but then I have a decided disinterest in WP:ATHLETE articles. I am tempted to say that most of them should be merged and redirected to list/table articles on teams by period. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 22:43, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- Re: not an AfC page. I have never understood the distinction between an AfC page in DraftSpace and a non-AfC page in DraftSpace. I'm a bit surprised that there is a distinction. I am aware of controversy concerning third parties adding the AfC template to userpage drafts, but that's a userpage user ownership issue. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 00:07, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- G13 applies to AFC pages period, regardless of namespace. It doesn't apply to non-AFC pages. Draftspace is just another namespace and so deletion there falls under the general deletion guidelines. This is what User:MusikBot/StaleDrafts/Report was created to find, old drafts from draftspace that would not fall under G13 since they aren't AFC drafts (the expansion of G13 has been repeatedly rejected). Now the draft itself alleges that this person played for Exeter Chiefs for over a decade including numerous championships. Ignoring the fact that Exeter Chiefs is a top domestic rugby level team, for all the lauding and congratulations on the page, there is no mention of him anywhere. The biography, if accurate, would pass Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Rugby_union but again, very strange. As such, I think it's more likely a hoax and given that it is unsourced BLP with almost nothing of substance, I tend to vote delete because I find many people do care about the creation credit for pages and having a draft already in existence but poorly done will keep away the people who care about that versus deleting it (analogous to how you see WP:REDLINKS policy here). Nevertheless, I posted a comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rugby_union#Draft:John_Paul_Kelly asking for confirmation. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 00:28, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's not an AFC page so there is not draft/AFC process at play here. If it's not the same person, it seems like a hoax then. --
Ricky81682 (
talk)
22:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 16:55, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 16:55, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as apparent hoax. If the claims made were true, some confirmation could surely be found, but although "he represented Exeter Rugby Club for over a decade" he is not mentioned in this history of Exeter Rugby Club, nor does Googling "John Kelly captain Devon rugby" find any confirmation that he "captained Devon to countless County successes". JohnCD ( talk) 14:26, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
- I've now CSD'd it as a hoax. No one wants to keep it and nothing checks out here. Legacypac ( talk) 17:48, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.