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keep. Arguments that the free alternative can't function as a fully valid in-character photograph seem valid in this case.
Fut.Perf.☼13:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Wait — I'd like to see some discussion on pages like
Talk:Fourth Doctor about whether the free image of Baker in costume is or is not a suitable replacement for this one, before it's deleted altogether. Is a photo of an actor at a public event dressed as a character he plays, the same as a photo of the character? Does a costume make the character, or does the environment matter? These aren't clear-cut questions, and I'd like to see some debate of them before rushing into a decision. If there's a consensus that this is a suitable free replacement, the nonfree image can be nominated for deletion again later. —
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These are clear-cut questions. Is the picture of him a) from the show itself, or b) an official publicity photo intended to represent the character? It isn't, and therefore is not in-character.
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19:16, 28 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Just try to adequately describe the Fourth Doctor's appearence in words to the ignorant... you can't. As for what lacks in the free image; there are several trates that make up the character besides appearence. Posture, attitude and environment for instance. I have never seen the Fourth Doctor so happy and smiling cruising around some public event in the series. The image simply does not represent what the 4th Doctor stands for. —
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I dont know if this works like other XfD's but I say Delete OsamaK has a proper job of cleaning things up and it would make sense to get rid of an inferior version of the image. %%
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It's currently orphaned, but is not unencyclopedic: it's the cartoonist
Reg Smythe and is presumably destined for that article. A bit of clarification about the copyright would be useful though; it seems to be all over the place without attribution.
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Uploader gave no response to my complaint that "newspaper cut" implies it is likely copyrighted by the newspaper and the uploader has no right to release it into the public domain. Proof must be shown or it should be deleted.
grenグレン13:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Wikipedia is not a repository of images. I understand that this image is freely licensed, but that's beside the point. If it were used somewhere, anywhere, I would agree that it should be kept. But it isn't. It isn't even categorized. It is an isolated image with no connection to anything else. —
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DeleteKeepunless a fair use rationale is added, image is added to an article, and appropriately tagged as containing trademarks, it should be deleted. I concur that this image was appropriately made, but Wikipedia's image policy is more restrictive than general fair use criteria. This image could be useful as Dr Pepper only makes a limited quantity of Dr. Pepper from its original recipe from pure cane sugar. Please hold off for 24 hours before deletion as I intend to assist in keeping this image.— BQZip01 —talk23:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)reply
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Unused, probably unencyclopedic, uploader may not hold copyright; seems to be primarily wild, unfounded speculation. —
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keep. Arguments that the free alternative can't function as a fully valid in-character photograph seem valid in this case.
Fut.Perf.☼13:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Wait — I'd like to see some discussion on pages like
Talk:Fourth Doctor about whether the free image of Baker in costume is or is not a suitable replacement for this one, before it's deleted altogether. Is a photo of an actor at a public event dressed as a character he plays, the same as a photo of the character? Does a costume make the character, or does the environment matter? These aren't clear-cut questions, and I'd like to see some debate of them before rushing into a decision. If there's a consensus that this is a suitable free replacement, the nonfree image can be nominated for deletion again later. —
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08:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)reply
These are clear-cut questions. Is the picture of him a) from the show itself, or b) an official publicity photo intended to represent the character? It isn't, and therefore is not in-character.
Kuralyov (
talk)
19:16, 28 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Just try to adequately describe the Fourth Doctor's appearence in words to the ignorant... you can't. As for what lacks in the free image; there are several trates that make up the character besides appearence. Posture, attitude and environment for instance. I have never seen the Fourth Doctor so happy and smiling cruising around some public event in the series. The image simply does not represent what the 4th Doctor stands for. —
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I dont know if this works like other XfD's but I say Delete OsamaK has a proper job of cleaning things up and it would make sense to get rid of an inferior version of the image. %%
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It's currently orphaned, but is not unencyclopedic: it's the cartoonist
Reg Smythe and is presumably destined for that article. A bit of clarification about the copyright would be useful though; it seems to be all over the place without attribution.
[1][2][3][4][5]Gordonofcartoon (
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Uploader gave no response to my complaint that "newspaper cut" implies it is likely copyrighted by the newspaper and the uploader has no right to release it into the public domain. Proof must be shown or it should be deleted.
grenグレン13:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Wikipedia is not a repository of images. I understand that this image is freely licensed, but that's beside the point. If it were used somewhere, anywhere, I would agree that it should be kept. But it isn't. It isn't even categorized. It is an isolated image with no connection to anything else. —
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DeleteKeepunless a fair use rationale is added, image is added to an article, and appropriately tagged as containing trademarks, it should be deleted. I concur that this image was appropriately made, but Wikipedia's image policy is more restrictive than general fair use criteria. This image could be useful as Dr Pepper only makes a limited quantity of Dr. Pepper from its original recipe from pure cane sugar. Please hold off for 24 hours before deletion as I intend to assist in keeping this image.— BQZip01 —talk23:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)reply
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Unused, probably unencyclopedic, uploader may not hold copyright; seems to be primarily wild, unfounded speculation. —
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