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Hi, the Treaty of Nöteborg is the first known border between Finland, Sweden and Novgorod and thus quite important. The prevailing view in research is that the border had two lines and the area between belonged jointly to West-Finnish/Swedish and Russo-Karelian cultures respectively. This view is supported by Iron Age material discoveries. I made a map to Finnish wikipedia according to historians Jarl Gallén and Johan Lind (1991) but I am not happy to the quality of the map. Template doesn`t have too many pixels and the graphics need to be better etc. Also description box would be grate to add already to the map. I can fill it with information if needed.
Totally new map of the border or good quality template and some help.
Sources
Jarl Gallen: Nöteborgsfreden och Finlands medeltida östgräns (1968),
Pirjo Uino: Ancient Karelia (1997),
Haggren er al.: Muinaisuutemme jäljet (2015) — Preceding
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Velivieras (
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11:55, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
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Scope creep: I can't find or read the names of two cities and then there is a dot I can't see any name for. It's encircled on
this image. Also I have very hard to read the different dates, what is at the base of arrows, which numbers or letters. --
Goran tek-en (
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18:41, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: It looks like your right. I reads like Dudenhofen, but it is definitely not that. Too far out to the right, but a long way. I created some intersecting grid lines on google earth, and created a triangle where it should have been in, but couldn't locate it. So I guess miss it out for the moment. I saw this map:
[2] (map 4 on bottom left) which was the unit operations for the invasion, and its got a bunch of places all over, lots in common with this map, but Dudenhofen is not it. I have added the La Feuillie as well for correct location.
I've made a list of the names of cities, on the map, ones in doubt, which may help.
That is pretty decent. It was pretty decent before, better now. Maybe worth firing in an English Channel label in the channel. Good work.
scope_creep (
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19:45, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: All in excellent. Although the legend box, im not sure how to fill it in. There is no mile indicator, which would be handy. I don't what the circles mean on top of the box. The dashes are a NATO standard. The circles mean
Direction finding (D/F) units, the others which are Intcp intercept companies.
OB West,
5th Panzer Army, Blue line is a front. Red lines are D/F and intercept bearings.
scope_creep (
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13:58, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Add a mile indicator
Legend Box:
Single dash - intcp company
Three dashes - command intcp company.
Square box with circle - D/F unit (I'll add an extensive caption and include direction finding)
Name: Chart 6 German radio intelligence operations in the Mediterranean and North Africa theatre March 1943
Description:Armies, Direction finding and Intercept units movements during Signal intelligence operations by Germany in the Mediterranean and North Africa theatre in March 1943.
Between Rome and Sicily, please next to line: radio teletype circuit. By that point in the war, mid 43, Germany was starting to distrust
Enigma cipher machine, and was using fixed communication lines.
Between Sicily and Tunis it is a Decimeter Microwave
Between Rome to Tunis = 70 Watt SW Comm circuit.
The dashes between fifth panzer and africa korps = Comm circuit
Between Sicily and Gabes = 70 Watt SW Comm circuit.
OB Southwest is OB Southwest. We don't have a page for it yet.
Single dash - intcp company
Three dashes - command intcp company
Take out that first dashes at the bottom. The first of three.
dashed, dashed, dashed - Comm Circuit.
The diagram may be need to bigger. I don't how it would work. It seems to be a bundle, even a whole bundle, or even a whole lot. I'll see how it looks, it could overwhelm it, symbols all over the shop, like Google Earth gets sometimes. Ive added this for later. Hope that helps.
Name: Chart 7 German Communication Circuits used by Intercept Units in Africa and Near East March 1943
Description:Armies, Direction finding and Intercept units movements during Signal intelligence operations by Germany in Africa and Near East March 1943
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Goran tek-en:, Yip. I think thats all right. It is one interpretation of what the doc says. I don't know if it is the right one, but it will do. For such a simple diagram. I thought it would be less complex. Good work. Its good.
scope_creep (
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18:53, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
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Scope creep:I need your help now. I have tried to find the names of the cities but I'm very unsure for many of them. There is also the spelling of them, should it be English, German, maybe they have changed over time or there own names. I need you to write a list with the name I put in the map and then the one you want, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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17:43, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi @
Goran tek-en:, Finally got the list finished, apart from a couple, which I can identify, or don't have WP page. There is several which has slightly different names, like Stalingrad now being Volgograd. I think half a dozen like that. There is a couple I think which are completely different.
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Scope creep: For me you don't need to link to an article, thanks for the names.
I need to know if the Hungarian and Romanian armies were on the German side as the Italian were (at first)?
There is so much information in this map and trying to make all of it visible makes the map cluttered or messy. I will add everything and then you can tell me if we should change anything. But could this not be made in to two maps, to me it mixes armies and intelligence, but maybe that wont work for you. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en:, they were both German allies at the time. If the map is crowded, can you not make the map bigger. It can be A2, or more accurately A3 in landscape, in size, and put on the article, with the thumb attribute on, when it is placed on the page, and expanded accordingly. There is no reason why it needs to be a tiny map. I would rather have a large map which could scrolled by hand, say on an ipad or by scrollbars on a windows desktop.
scope_creep (
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21:09, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
One but 1. Change 1th Panzer Army at no. 8 in the legend box to 1st Panzer Army. I have went through it section by section. It is decent. Publish after that.
scope_creep (
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19:02, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
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Scope creep: Will fix that and also add the distance measure bar. I will need the following;
Name of the file:Chart 9 German Radio Intelligence Operations in Southern Russia 1941-42
Description:Armies, Direction finding and Intercept units movements during Signal intelligence operations by Germany in Southern Russian 1941-1942
I was looking for a world map that also featured individual US states that I could edit. I came across this one
[3]. However, while it's easy to edit and change the colors of countries, I can't figure out how to do it for individual states (if it's even possible). Does anyone know how to edit individual states on that map? Or can someone suggest a better alternative map? -
AnonWikiEditor (
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19:59, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
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AnonWikiEditor: We might be able to give more specific help if you told us what software you were using to edit the file, but in any graphical vector editor (e.g. Inkscape, Adobe Illustrator), it should be a simple case of selecting the US, ungrouping the states, then selecting an individual state and changing the fill. –
Joe (
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14:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
At the article
Abortion law, on the map,
Chile must be showed with a new color, since its law is unlike any other law showed on the color legend. Abortion in Chile is only legal for risk to maternal life, rape, fetal defects.
[4]. So a new color for this situation is needed. See the discussion here:
Talk:Abortion_law#Chile_on_the_map.
This article needs a map of the Nagano Prefecture. It is currently using the Nagano City map, and the location of the article subject does not fall within the map. According to
Category:Japan prefecture location map templates, there are maps available for 15 of Japan's 47 prefectures; Nagano is not one of them.
MB02:40, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Please create the administrative divisions map for
Pahang, a state of
Malaysia. Appreciate to create it in both, blank and labelled version. You can refer to the official website of
Pahang ruler for your reference
here --
Ø:G (
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09:24, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately that is too large of a area for me, my weak computer couldn't handle that much data at a time, so I'll have to pass on this one. But just wanted to point others to the data at OSM that can be used for this request. -
Offnfopt(talk)10:40, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
image 1 work has been done on a Government of India map (Which is POV and thus unacceptable) could anyone please change it to outline of the map at image 2 keeping the data same (basically change the kashmir part of it) -
As a clarification I only need the border of Kashmir to be redrawn to match the actual shape the shape of Kashmir under control of India as depicted in image 2.Thanks in advance-
Note, there is the custom on the map workshop and wikipedia "don't wipe out countries out of the map". We are Wikipedia, individuals from all around the world, we have no reason to distord reality and remove neighbor countries so to single a country out of the world. The most elegant way is to color the subject, India here, without wiping out neighbors. --
Yug(talk)22:12, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
I am after a map similar to that found attached; another (much clearer) version can sen seen
here. I have two other versions of the map which I can email to whoever wants to pick this up, both of which will be of use. Please let me know if you have any questions, or email me if you want to see the other two maps. Thanks very much for anyone who is able to help. -
SchroCat (
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15:09, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
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SchroCat:Now there is a draft for you to look at. The different sources say different things, so this is one version of them combined. I have put in numbers for the special places so they can be explained in the description. As always, give me straight feedback, what you want more in the map, removed or whatever, all goes, thanks. Please ping me. --
Goran tek-en (
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12:41, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
I've put together a rather rough and ready map showing four points of interest (Libyan embassy, the site of two demonstrations and the position of a policewoman when she was shot). It's correct but amateurish; would someone be able to Wikify it for me please? (I'm not worried about the OpenStreetMap labels shown on the map, except the street names and the name of the square). Thanks very much.
SchroCat (
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10:51, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi
Goran tek-en, that's great - thanks once again for your efforts. Can we add two labels onto the map: one for St James's Square, and one for the road running off to the right of the square, Charles II Street. Thanks again -
SchroCat (
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15:05, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
How about St James's Square map, when WPC Fletcher was shot. No idea why there are two: I was trying to show it was my work, but based on open street map. Cheers -
SchroCat (
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16:28, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
English version please. The pink area represents North-Western Rhodesia and the blue area North-Eastern Rhodesia from 1905 until 1911, when they were unified. The red line denotes the border between them from 1899 to 1905. The green area is Barotseland.… --
Kintetsubuffalo (
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12:21, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
Done. See the third image above. I worked from the Russian version.
The Spanish version contains the country names as text, but that text is not rendered in the image. The Spanish text you see in the image is rendered from SVG paths. I don't understand why people create images like that. It's an abuse of the SVG format. It makes the image larger (though only about 50% in this case), slower to render, and much more difficult to edit. I wish they wouldn't do it.
Maproom (
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13:03, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Asking for a vector conversion version of the map; something readable and simple to illustrate Buffalo's vibrant Canal life from the 1840s to the 1930s. I understand it's object-intensive and might be considered a project, so if it's not a priority for right now, that's fine. It's in the public domain as the date has expired, and I can find a source for it later. --
Buffaboytalk02:39, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
I can help you but first I would like you to move this request to the map section as that is where it belongs. Just ping me when done and I will take it, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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15:43, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: Hi thanks for taking the request. Yes, essentially I'm just asking for an SVG version, but without the legend or the text seen at the top of the map. That can be described in the image description. If you could retain the colors (instead of how they were changed in the other map), that would look good as well.
Buffaboytalk20:38, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
47 articles at en:wp, plus 43 articles on 34 other wikis
Request
See
Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_154#Map_won't_render_at_a_specific_resolution. Our Virginia county locator maps appear to have some sort of validation error that often causes them not to appear properly. Would it be possible to modify or recreate this map so that it validates properly? We need all 133 city and county maps to be updated, so I'd really appreciate it if you made it human-editable so that I could create derivative works myself rather than making you do the other 132.
Nyttend (
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03:18, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
The code for both of those are valid according to
w3c. Hopefully that will make them work. I actually think that the large size could be a problem at some thumb sizes. This is not something I can prove it's just my experience and understanding.
Here I will tell you wath I have done. I work on Ubuntu 16.04 and used Inkscape 0.91. How Inkscape work on other OS and versions is nothing I can say.
Open file in Inkscape
Open XML editor, shift+ctrl+x (Edit/XML editor)
In text on left side, find <svg:clipPath id=".....">
Click to mark it, then find the symbol for Delete node above, has a red/white X in it, click that to remove the node. This removes the thicker outline.
Select all ctrl+a and make a group ctrl+g of it.
Select all ctrl+a, click on the padlock symbol (to locked) at the top to make changes same prorpotion W and H.
Click to mark all four of the symbols to the right of W and H at the top, they should all four have a line around them.
To the left of the four symbols choose px in the list.
In the W value box change the value to something under 1000 px, I choose 748, and you can probably kepp the same number for all of the files.
Hit Enter to execute and the drawing should be like 1/10 of before.
Shift+ctrl+d (File/Document properties). In the middle you will find Custom size, choose px in the Units list.
Under that click on Resize page to content...
In the four fields type 2 in each and then click on button Resize page to drawing or selection. Close the window and the page is now the right size for the drawing.
Now go to Save as or Save a copy, which you prefer.
Down in the right hand corner pick Optimized SVG (*.svg) from the list, change the name if you want.
In the window for Optimized... unceck everything in the Options tabe. The two at the bottom was 5 and Space for me.
In tab Ids check Remove unused ID names for elements and Shorten IDs, nothing else.
Done I can't say this really really has fixed the problem but I hope so test if you can before you do all of them. If you are happy with this please put the code {{resolved|1=~~~~}} on this request so it can be archived, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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13:48, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Goran tek-en, thank you, but I'm somewhat confused with editing the 748px file. How do I adjust which entity is colored? When I move the code <use style="fill:#ff0000" xlink:href="#a" height="100%" width="100%" y="0" x="0"/> from place to place (always putting it at the end of a <path d=> </> string), Bath County remains highlighted, even though this is the only reference to FF0000. I don't understand what the <g></g> tags do; do I have to put it in the right place in relation to them? I encounter the same problem with the larger file; <use xlink:href="#a" fill="red"/> is the only reference to "red", but moving it from place to place still leaves Bath County highlighted.
Nyttend (
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14:07, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
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Nyttend: I didn't think of that you would edit only this fill in a text editor and make all the different versions from it, then you don't need my explanation.
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Nyttend: I just found out that all the parts have no white background, I have to fix that. You can test the file above but I will send you a new one within an hour, roughly. --
Goran tek-en (
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14:41, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Just back from snow shovelling, or I would have responded sooner. Yes, I have nothing more sophisticated than Windows Paint, so Notepad is the only way that I cna edit an SVG. Unfortunately, I get a 404 error when I click "Download this file". I'm about to be gone again and won't be back until almost midnight UTC (if not later), so I won't respond to anything until then. Thanks!
Nyttend (
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15:33, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
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Nyttend: The error is because I removed that file. You can always install Inkscape it's open source.
Download this file, it has white in all the different parts. Search for <path style="stroke-linejoin:round;stroke:#000000;stroke-width:11.89;fill:#ff0000" and change the fill:# value as you need.
There are also 8 groups which the g stands for <g style="stroke-linejoin:round;stroke:#000000;stroke-width:119;fill:#ffffff" transform="matrix(.099917 0 0 .099917 -40182 -19321)">
<path style="fill:#ffffff". I didn't break up them as I don't know if they are supposed to be in a group or not. But you can change in the same way, the whole group is the first fill and each path fill is the second fill. Hope this helps. --
Goran tek-en (
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15:47, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank
you; this is exactly what I was seeking. I'll let you know if I need any help, but I think I'll try from here on finishing all the different versions.
Nyttend (
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03:25, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
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Nyttend: If you knew from the beginning what you wanted, why didn't you write that? It would have saved me work.
Because I know almost nothing about SVGs; what I wrote at the start is the best description I had (and the best description I still have) of what I wanted. Had you been making the request, what would you have said?
Nyttend (
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13:59, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
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Nyttend: Often you can go different paths to reach the same goal, same here. I work much with Inkscape and as it's open source I assumed that you would use that to edit the files. To my understanding now, you knew/believed that you wanted to edit the files in a text editor. If I had had that information from the beginning I would have worked differently with this, the whole part with editing in Inkscape is useless. It would have been great if you started with to say that you know almost nothing about SVGs but you wished to do the editing in a text editor. Then we could have discussed how to approach this. --
Goran tek-en (
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15:26, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
That's why I said "human-editable"; I partly remembered {{
NoInkscape}} and figured that "human-editable" meant that it could be modified in a text editor without much difficulty.
Nyttend (
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15:31, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
I'll try to remember this if I make any more requests; sorry for being confusing. This is what happens when I try to talk like people whose language I don't really understand :-)
Nyttend (
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23:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
So can you provide the translations please? Then I will make the translated map. --
Chumwa (
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Legend: Paraguayan War / 1864 – 1870 / Paraguayan territory after the war / Disputed, extensive uninhabited area in the Gran Chaco / Paraguayan territorial losses / 1879 national borders / Current borders of Paraguay
Within the map, the following need to be changed as follows: Bolivien - Bolivia, Kaiserreich Brasilien - Brazilian Empire, Argentinien - Argentina, Nordteil beansprucht von - Northern area claimed by, Grenzziehung kam de facto nicht zur Wirkung - The drawing of borders had no de facto effect, 1897 von US-Präsident Hayes ausgehandelte Grenzziehung - Negotiated borders drawn in 1897 by US President Hayes, Südteil bis zum Rio Verde beansprucht von - Southern area up to the Río Verde claimed by, beansprucht von - Claimed by, Stellungssystem Humaitá - Siege of Humaitá, In der ersten... - In the first half on the 19th century, intermittently occupied by Paraguay. Control by Argentina was confirmed by the 1852 Derqui–Varela Treaty., Das Gebiet östlich... - The eastern area of Misiones was disputed until 1895 between Argentina and Brazil.
Here you are. Thanks for the translation! --
Chumwa (
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Chumwa: Unfortunately, I just noticed a minor typo. I wrote "In the first half on the 19th century", which should have been "... of the 19th century". Could you please fix that in the map? —
Μετάknowledgediscuss/
deeds04:42, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
I'd like a correction to this map – the unit shown as the "7th Army" in the center of the map, holding positions around Voronezh, should be "8th Army" as per the original source map. The Soviet 7th Army did not serve on the Southern Front. I have brought this up on the map creator's talk page, but did not receive a response.
Kges1901 (
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21:31, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
New version uploaded. Done If you are happy with this please put the code {{resolved|1=~~~~}} on this request so it can be archived, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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10:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
There are little dotted lines in four random places: off Sussex in the English Channel, off Northumbria (midway between 8 and 9) in the North Sea, off Munster (and going past the Isles of Scilly) in the Atlantic, and on the western fringe of Ireland in the Atlantic, headed northwest toward Iceland. These aren't explained, and given the position of the last one, I doubt that they're shipping lanes. Unless you can divine their purpose, could you remove them? --
Nyttend (
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04:14, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that they continue the borders, but are seaweeds or sea waters addressed for climate hardiness? If not, what's the point, since nothing grows or can grow in the open sea? That's what I meant by "unexplained": the point of displaying them (i.e. how they contribute to the meaning given by the map), not the graphical reason for their appearance in the first place.
Nyttend (
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12:44, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
IMO the dotted line between 9 and 10 is useful. While it may not have a direct meaning to the marine areas it crosses, the context makes it clear the ratings only apply to land areas, and the addition of the line makes it easier to determine which of the coastal sections are 10. I cannot see a tangible benefit to the 8/9 line. A bigger concern for me is the source - what data does this represent?--
Nilfanion (
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16:06, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
My question is what is the source for the boundaries shown? This map has no indication where that data came from, and without knowing that cannot gauge its accuracy. Compare to these two maps, produced by two different British nurseries, which also purport to show USDA hardiness zones (
[8][9]).--
Nilfanion (
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17:23, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
The zones are divided according to specified ranges of average annual minimum winter temperature
[10] - so maybe people make their own maps? Perhaps we should ask the uploader,
MPF, who is still active on Commons.
PaleCloudedWhite (
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17:42, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi PaleCloudedWhite - thanks for the tag about
File:UK zonemap.png. You're right in your analysis, and right that it shouldn't really be on the Pennines or the Geography of England pages; do please remove it from those. Yes, I made this myself (original research is permitted on Commons!), but it is as you say, from average annual minimum winter temperatures. I like to think that my map is more accurate than the other two that @
Nilfanion: mentioned - the first is wildly out in giving a large part of central Scotland as zone 6 (would only apply to the high tops of the Cairngorms) and too much of England as zone 7, while the second is rather haphazard (badly drawn) in its zone boundaries, not matching landforms too well. There may be errors in mine too; anyone with access to better detail is welcome to upload a new version. The dotted lines out to sea are for convenience only to highlight the narrow warmer coastal districts; while the 8/9 boundary is less tricky to see than the 9/10 boundary, removing one but leaving the other would make the map look very odd. I also made (and still have) a similar map for Europe, but never got round to uploading it here. Hope this helps! -
MPF (
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01:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
While OR is permitted on Commons, we should be careful about how we present it on Wikipedia. The data (ie the annual average minimum temps) underlying the map must have come from somewhere, hopefully a reliable source for such information. My concern is I can't see where to even begin to attempt a verification of the data, not the conversion of that data to a graphic (acceptable OR!). For instance, is the representation of the Pennines more accurate than the other two? I don't know. On the plus side, the Met Office has released a ton of climatological data (to 5km precision) under the OGL. Extracting annual average minimums from that is just number crunching.--
Nilfanion (
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15:19, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
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Mikey641:Inkscape is a free and open source alternative to Illustrator that you could use. A lot of base locator maps on Commons are also specifically formatted so that they can be edited with any text editor.
If not I'm sure there are people here who would happy to help you make them. I think the reason that you have not had any responses so far is that it is not very clear from your request what you actually want. Please specify what map you would like to base these on (e.g. the whole world? Europe? Europe and the Middle East?), exactly which countries you want highlighted, what colours you want, etc. You may find the preformatted "new request" form linked at the top of the page useful. –
Joe (
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15:59, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
cu - Cuba, jm - Jamaica, lc - Saint Lucia, bs - Bahamas, do - Dominican Republic, ht - Haiti, gd - Grenada, tt - Trinidad and Tobago, kn - Saint Kitts and Nevis, ag - Antigua and Barbuda, dm - Dominica, bb - Barbados, vc - Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, cv - Cape Verde, is - Iceland, ie - Ireland, uk - United Kingdom, st - São Tomé and Príncipe, mt - Malta, cy - Cyprus, bh - Bahrain, km - Comoros, mg - Madagascar, mu - Mauritius, sc - Seychelles, mv - Maldives, lk - Sri Lanka, sg - Singapore, id - Indonesia, bn - Brunei, tl - East Timor, jp - Japan, tw - Taiwan, ph - Philippines, pw - Palau, pg - Papua New Guinea, vu - Vanuatu, nz - New Zealand, fm - Micronesia, nr - Nauru, sb - Solomon Islands, fj - Fiji, mh - Marshall Islands, ki - Kiribati, tv - Tuvalu, ws - Samoa, to - Tonga —
Μετάknowledgediscuss/
deeds08:12, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kintetsubuffalo: I don't understand, I use Liberation sans and that is the same as (Helvetica, Arial...). When I view it on that link it's correct to me.
With coloring do you mean different colors for each island nation (very hard as it's so many). They have the color we use on maps for "main subject".
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Kintetsubuffalo: Sorry for late replay, the watch function doesn't work all the time.
Regarding the font, It might have something to do with server the image is showed on. Let's check it when it's uploaded and if still a problem I will adress it.
We have this
Commons:file:Malaysia_location_map.svg as a location map of Malaysia. If you want a district map of a specific part you will have to provide a source that we can use. The pdf-file you link to contains 24 pages so it's not easy to use, you have to understand that we have zero knowledge of the subject and need a source we can work from directly without having to search or read a lot of information. Thanks for your understanding. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:18, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: It would help a lot if you followed the normal way to edit/write here concerning new lines, indent and stuff like that. Also you link to a page "
Local governments in Malaysia" that doesn't exist, why?
You write "if you feel that was hard to know" and I don't really understand what you mean but I feel it's not something kind you mean by it. If you don't accept that we graphic workers do just , graphic work, and the requester provides all the necessary information in a way that is easy to access for us it will be very hard to help you with your requests. We have normally zero knowledge on the subject and we just want what we need to complete the request. We don't do research and we don't look thru a lot of material to try to find some information which is probably very clear to the requester. I will check in the pdf on p8. --
Goran tek-en (
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20:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
I just want to tell you that those information has been provided in the PDF. Actually I have given a clear information but if you really dont know I apologize to you.
angys (
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02:12, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: If you look at the text/code in edit mode you can see that to make a New line you have to put the code <br> at the end of previous line. Or in the head of the edit window click Advanced and then the Return/Enter symbol.
As you can see at the start of this line there is four :::: which gives an indent which increases as you put more of them. If you look at your edit there were three and now I put four to increase the indent. This is so that it's easy to follow a discussion and get the last edit. When there are many :::::::::::::: we just start over from zero again. Check in any request here to find out this and more. It's very helpful to use the Show preview function below to check everything before one click on Publish changes. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:03, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: I want you to
look at this draft and check that's it right so far. Then we have to decide how to do with the long names to the right (PBT names). It will be hard to fit them in the different areas so we can do in different ways. Colors is one way but it can easily become a problem for people with color viewing problems. My suggestion is that we put numbers (as I show with 1 and 2) and then either put the names in a legend on the map or put the names in the description field of the map?
Putting it in the description field makes it easier to translate, tell me which you want and what/if to change in the map, please ping me, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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14:19, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: Thanks, the map look nice. I suggest that the district border can be thicker and the PBT (local authorities) border can be thinner. I think numbering is not ok and maybe you can do for location map and label the map by using template e.g. {{Penang district level labelled map}}. So far Johor have 10 district and 16 local authority, if you want to do a map that already labelled, maybe you can consider just using short name e.g. Majlis Bandaraya Iskandar Puteri (Iskandar Puteri City) for only Iskandar Puteri and for Majlis Daerah Simpang Renggam only Spg. Renggam. Best regards.
angys (
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15:33, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: The template {{Penang district level labelled map}} is something that works on wikipedia when some one writes an article. The template use, in this case, a png image as base image and then adding the names. So as a graphic worker I would have done the png (in that case) and then you as a editor of the article will do the rest using the template. I create an image and then I upload it to commons, not wikipedia. I will try to shorten the names and then we will go from there. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:02, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en:OK, Your maps got a little bit error. Firstly I have noted that the district border you can thicker it and the PBT (local authorities) border can be thinner e.g.
Segamat District have 2 PBT due to it's land size too big abd split to Labis town and Segamat municipal..
The second one is spme of the name in the map spell wrong.
Tempatan Penggerang can be more shorter to
Pengerang (one g, Tempatan means locality)
I think the map may be can do 2 version that 1 version is blank while another version with text which is translateable to fit some special script e.g. Japanese, Chinese, Arabisan... That is my little opinion and thank you for your working. :)
angys (
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22:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: If you mean the border in the darker area, district, and the lighter area, PBT. To me there is a big difference int both thickness and type of line, different dashes, so I don't understand why you want it thicker, thinner for?
I start to think that I don't really understand the differences of the different types of areas you are talking about. I understand that you try to explain for me by linking to e.g.
Segamat District but to me as without any knowledge of the structure levels it's still hard to understand and I really don't want to digg into it.
Please just tell me exactly what to change e.g. Change the border between Kluang and Mersing to a thinner line, etc.
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Goran tek-en:Next time probably I will say it clearly.
Q:If you mean the border in the darker area, district, and the lighter area, PBT. To me there is a big difference int both thickness and type of line, different dashes, so I don't understand why you want it thicker, thinner for?
A:District are first place, and than for PBT. You can think that district is bigger than PBT. For you to easier know about it, Segamat District=Segamat+Labis.
Q:Please just tell me exactly what to change e.g. Change the border between Kluang and Mersing to a thinner line, etc.
A:OK, Change the border between Kluang and Simpang Renggam, Segamat and Labis, Johor Bahru Iskandar Puteri and Pasir Gudang, Kota Tinggi and Pengerang, Yong Peng and Batu Pahat to a thinner line
Malaysia's Administrative divisions very unique because it had seperate to district and PBT (local authorities). Thank you for your understanding.Regards :)
angys (
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16:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en:, look good, but I think that locator map can be focus at Johor area only, other area is not necessary at all. Thanks. (and the 2 outer islands located in east coast of Johor is belong to Pontian, and West Coast is for Mersing)
angys (
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18:10, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: I don't understand if you want me to change something, in that case be specific and direct. As I understood it we should use tha map we had and just turn it into those locator maps. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
I'd like an English translation of this map as we cannot expect our readers to be able to read foreign languages. Requesting here as original uploader seems to be inactive. Please do not include the text at the bottom starting with "Схема" as it properly belongs in the image caption. Text to translate:
In Legend: Красные армии в 4 ноябру 1920 г. = Red Army positions on 4 November 1920; Основная групировка Белых - Main White units, Двнжения красной армии - Attack axis of Red Army units
Bodies of water: Черное Море = Black Sea; Азовское Море = Sea of Azov; Днепр = Dnieper; Ингулец = Inhulets; Салгир = Salgir; Аравмская Смрелка = Arabat Spit.
Military units: 6 АРМИЯ = 6th Army; МАХНО = Black Army: 1 КОНАРМИЯ = 1st Cavalry Army; 2 КОНАРМИЯ = 2nd Cavalry Army; 13 АРМИЯ = 13th Army; 4 АРМИЯ = 4th Army; 11 КОРПУС = 1st Army Corps (typo in map); резервы = Reserve
Kges1901 (
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22:37, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
That image doesn't have any text in it. What you see as text is generated from <path> structures in the file. This makes it far more difficult (and well beyond my ability) to edit. I could manage a PNG or other bitmap file, or a sensibly constructed SVG, but not an SVG file like this which combines the worse aspects of both.
Maproom (
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15:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: That image had a lot of problems in it besides for not having any text information. I have redone it and changed it to follow (as far as possible)
the template we use. You should check so I got the unit size and type of unit correct. There is one name, in purple on my draft, which I couldn't find a translation for.
Draft for you to check, give me feedback, please ping me, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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20:33, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Translation and upload of maps including unit actions from offline sources, in order to provide better maps for a military unit article nominated for FA. I will send scans and translations of Russian and Polish terms in response to email if this request is accepted. The mapmaker need not do any research on this, simply create a map and add colors; I will be available for questions.
Kges1901 (
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12:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
It's hard to accept when one doesn't know the extent of the request. Saying "simply create a map and add colors" doesn't tell me much. --
Goran tek-en (
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10:19, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
I will email the original map with translations, all you have to do is edit the translations into the map, and possibly add background colors as these are black and white maps. I have two maps for the Soviet invasion of Poland and four more for campaigns on the Eastern Front.
Kges1901 (
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11:03, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Mostly I/we (graphic workers, commons) try to make SVG files for maps as it's better in general,
Transition_to_SVG. If it's not that one for a specific reason wants to keep the original map, like historical document or other. So to me there is probably more work on this then what you think. Have you checked so that we can do this, there is no license stopping us?
If there is no problems with licenses and it's OK for you that I convert them into SVG I will take this request, please ping me, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: I will start to work with them now. You said before that there was no problem with the license, but to me the maps are taken from a book which probably has a copyright on it. I don't know if the maps are made just for that book or if it's historical documents, but anyway, to my understanding the book still has its copyright.
Derivative_works,
2D_copying,
Screenshots.
This is were my knowledge about those things starts to be vague, I don't know enough about copyrights like this. So what I can see I can only use those maps as a source of information and then I will have to make new versions of them which differ enough to be considered as my work.
I need your help on telling/showing me which part of Poland the image 17 to 20 september.png shows? I have searched for Grodno but there are several around Poland.--
Goran tek-en (
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13:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: Mostly it is more complicated as we graphic worker as good as always have zero knowledge of the subject. You must have spelled the category wrong because it's a red link. Your Mymaps are very good for me, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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16:52, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: I want you to check
this draft so I got the over all area correct. Also I want you to tell me if there is more of the basic information you want in the map, or removed, or otherwise, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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18:37, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: Apologies, I should have been more specific - the Servach is very close to Baranovichi to the west. The arrows represent the movement of the specific military units. To create originality, I suggest you use different colors. For example, you could color each of the brigades a different color and use the same color for the arrows. Specifically: Arrow 1 with triangles is the 2nd Light Tank Brigade, Arrow 2 with dots is the 27th Light Tank Brigade, Arrow 3 with dashes is the 20th Motor Rifle and Machine Gun Brigade, Arrow 4 is the 21st Light Tank Brigade, arrow 6 is the 29th Light Tank Brigade, and arrow 5 is the 32nd Light Tank Brigade.
Kges1901 (
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14:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: You have it marked in the right place. Note that the mouth of the Servach is
here (it flows into the Neman). It is easier to see rivers on map view. However, I noticed that you marked the national borders for modern day, but since this is in a historical context the 1939 border should be marked. You can find the 1939 borders in the map I sent you, and they are clearly delineated in files on Commons such as
File:Kamp_wrzesn9-16.pngKges1901 (
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18:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: I was just going to ask you about the borders, thanks for the info. At commons and wikipedia we try to keep some kind of structure and identity between maps that have the same purpose, this so it's easier for the viewers. For this reason we have different templates and
this template is for military maps. If you look at the top left part there are symbols for different sizes and types of units.
In this new draft I have used them. But I'm not sure I got the sizes or types of units correct so check this and everything else also, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: You got the unit types right except that the 20th MRB is a brigade and thus should have one 'X'. The 15th TC is a corps and should have three 'X's. Don't forget that the 'u' in Soviet Union is capitalized, and third country in the northwest corner is Lithuania. The last thing for this map will be adding the dates. Thank you for putting the work in to make the map.
Kges1901 (
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20:38, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901:New draft. There are two new green lines which I found now, missed them before. It's hard to see but I think I got them right. They are green just now so it's easy for you to see them, will make them read. Feedback, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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16:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: When I look at 20-24 on the map I can't help wonder why is this not included in 17-20 which then would turn into 17-24? I will await your answer before uploading the previous one or start on this one, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:20, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: I initially thought it should be separate because otherwise the first map would cover too large of an area. But I noticed that you included the Suwalki area in the first map, so the second would should be combined. I will send you a mymap of the key locations.
Kges1901 (
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21:37, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: Great work and thanks for taking it on. The name should be File:15th Tank Corps in Poland 17–24 September 1939. The Description in English should be: Movements of the Soviet 15th Tank Corps in the Soviet invasion of Poland, 17–24 September 1939. Also includes early movements of the independent 29th and 32nd Tank Brigades. Categories: Maps of the Polish Defensive War of 1939, Soviet invasion of Poland of 1939
Kges1901 (
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20:46, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Will be sending copyrighted scans of maps from a book soon. I will provide you a mymaps since it is hard to create them from scratch.
Kges1901 (
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Kges1901: The three maps you sent me are in Russian, so I need a translation of the city names as they are in your mymaps. --
Goran tek-en (
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17:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: I will need explanation of all the different lines and arrows of the three maps you sent me as
numbers here. Also the grey part which represents forest to me, should they be included in the map? --
Goran tek-en (
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13:16, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: Line 1 is the initial Soviet position on 22 August 1942. Line 2 is the positions at the end of the day. Arrows 3 and 4 are the movement of the 15th Tank Corps. Line 5 is the Soviet position on 26 August. Arrow 6 is also 15th Tank Corps, arrow 7 is a German attack. The gray area is indeed forest, and should be marked.
Kges1901 (
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13:54, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: Drafts to check. I didn't really understand the different arrows so I have made some assumptions and you need to correct me, the legends and everything else.
22 August: the other movement directly south of Novogryn is of both the 15th Tank Corps and the 154th Rifle Division (the second one is an infantry unit, a division, abbreviated as RD). Note that during the battle the corps was subordinated to the 3rd Tank Army (an armored unit, a field army equivalent, abbreviated as TA), so you can put an icon for the 3rd Tank Army behind the Soviet line close to the west of Slobodka.
26 August: The northernmost attack towards Belyy Kamen is actually by the 3rd Tank Corps. That line south of Novogryn is actually for 27 August, after the end of the period. The Soviet arrows heading east for the 12th and 15th Tank Corps represent repositioning or retreats.
26–31 August (more accurately 27–31 August): The northernmost arrow towards Ozhigovo is actually the 3rd Tank Corps. Again the eastward/northward Soviet arrows for the 12th and 15th Tank Corps are retreats. Since the scale is different, you should extend the 15th Tank Corps arrow for this map closer to Leonovo as shown in the map I sent you for greater accuracy, and move the start of the arrow very close northwest of Pakom.
Kges1901 (
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00:20, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
3rd Tank Army in the Kozelsk Offensive, 22 August 1942 (1), 3rd Tank Army in the Kozelsk Offensive, 26 August 1942 (2), 3rd Tank Army in the Kozelsk Offensive, 27–31 August (3).
Actions of the 3rd Tank Army in the Kozelsk Offensive, 22 August 1942 (1), Actions of the 3rd Tank Army in the Kozelsk Offensive, 26 August 1942 (2), Actions of the 3rd Tank Army in the Kozelsk Offensive, 27–31 August 1942 (3)
Maps of battles on the Eastern Front in World War II, The counter-attack by troops of the Western front in the area of Sukhinichi, Kozelsk (all)
Kges1901 (
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11:46, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I'd like an English translation of this map as we cannot expect our readers to be able to read foreign languages. Requesting here as original uploader seems to be inactive. Please do not include the text at the bottom starting with "Схема" as it properly belongs in the image caption. Text to translate:
In Legend: Красные армии в 4 ноябру 1920 г. = Red Army positions on 4 November 1920; Основная групировка Белых - Main White units, Двнжения красной армии - Attack axis of Red Army units
Bodies of water: Черное Море = Black Sea; Азовское Море = Sea of Azov; Днепр = Dnieper; Ингулец = Inhulets; Салгир = Salgir; Аравмская Смрелка = Arabat Spit.
Military units: 6 АРМИЯ = 6th Army; МАХНО = Black Army: 1 КОНАРМИЯ = 1st Cavalry Army; 2 КОНАРМИЯ = 2nd Cavalry Army; 13 АРМИЯ = 13th Army; 4 АРМИЯ = 4th Army; 11 КОРПУС = 1st Army Corps (typo in map); резервы = Reserve
Kges1901 (
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22:37, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
That image doesn't have any text in it. What you see as text is generated from <path> structures in the file. This makes it far more difficult (and well beyond my ability) to edit. I could manage a PNG or other bitmap file, or a sensibly constructed SVG, but not an SVG file like this which combines the worse aspects of both.
Maproom (
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15:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: That image had a lot of problems in it besides for not having any text information. I have redone it and changed it to follow (as far as possible)
the template we use. You should check so I got the unit size and type of unit correct. There is one name, in purple on my draft, which I couldn't find a translation for.
Draft for you to check, give me feedback, please ping me, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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20:33, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
We have this
Commons:file:Malaysia_location_map.svg as a location map of Malaysia. If you want a district map of a specific part you will have to provide a source that we can use. The pdf-file you link to contains 24 pages so it's not easy to use, you have to understand that we have zero knowledge of the subject and need a source we can work from directly without having to search or read a lot of information. Thanks for your understanding. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:18, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: It would help a lot if you followed the normal way to edit/write here concerning new lines, indent and stuff like that. Also you link to a page "
Local governments in Malaysia" that doesn't exist, why?
You write "if you feel that was hard to know" and I don't really understand what you mean but I feel it's not something kind you mean by it. If you don't accept that we graphic workers do just , graphic work, and the requester provides all the necessary information in a way that is easy to access for us it will be very hard to help you with your requests. We have normally zero knowledge on the subject and we just want what we need to complete the request. We don't do research and we don't look thru a lot of material to try to find some information which is probably very clear to the requester. I will check in the pdf on p8. --
Goran tek-en (
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20:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
I just want to tell you that those information has been provided in the PDF. Actually I have given a clear information but if you really dont know I apologize to you.
angys (
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02:12, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: If you look at the text/code in edit mode you can see that to make a New line you have to put the code <br> at the end of previous line. Or in the head of the edit window click Advanced and then the Return/Enter symbol.
As you can see at the start of this line there is four :::: which gives an indent which increases as you put more of them. If you look at your edit there were three and now I put four to increase the indent. This is so that it's easy to follow a discussion and get the last edit. When there are many :::::::::::::: we just start over from zero again. Check in any request here to find out this and more. It's very helpful to use the Show preview function below to check everything before one click on Publish changes. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:03, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: I want you to
look at this draft and check that's it right so far. Then we have to decide how to do with the long names to the right (PBT names). It will be hard to fit them in the different areas so we can do in different ways. Colors is one way but it can easily become a problem for people with color viewing problems. My suggestion is that we put numbers (as I show with 1 and 2) and then either put the names in a legend on the map or put the names in the description field of the map?
Putting it in the description field makes it easier to translate, tell me which you want and what/if to change in the map, please ping me, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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14:19, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: Thanks, the map look nice. I suggest that the district border can be thicker and the PBT (local authorities) border can be thinner. I think numbering is not ok and maybe you can do for location map and label the map by using template e.g. {{Penang district level labelled map}}. So far Johor have 10 district and 16 local authority, if you want to do a map that already labelled, maybe you can consider just using short name e.g. Majlis Bandaraya Iskandar Puteri (Iskandar Puteri City) for only Iskandar Puteri and for Majlis Daerah Simpang Renggam only Spg. Renggam. Best regards.
angys (
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15:33, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: The template {{Penang district level labelled map}} is something that works on wikipedia when some one writes an article. The template use, in this case, a png image as base image and then adding the names. So as a graphic worker I would have done the png (in that case) and then you as a editor of the article will do the rest using the template. I create an image and then I upload it to commons, not wikipedia. I will try to shorten the names and then we will go from there. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:02, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en:OK, Your maps got a little bit error. Firstly I have noted that the district border you can thicker it and the PBT (local authorities) border can be thinner e.g.
Segamat District have 2 PBT due to it's land size too big abd split to Labis town and Segamat municipal..
The second one is spme of the name in the map spell wrong.
Tempatan Penggerang can be more shorter to
Pengerang (one g, Tempatan means locality)
I think the map may be can do 2 version that 1 version is blank while another version with text which is translateable to fit some special script e.g. Japanese, Chinese, Arabisan... That is my little opinion and thank you for your working. :)
angys (
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22:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: If you mean the border in the darker area, district, and the lighter area, PBT. To me there is a big difference int both thickness and type of line, different dashes, so I don't understand why you want it thicker, thinner for?
I start to think that I don't really understand the differences of the different types of areas you are talking about. I understand that you try to explain for me by linking to e.g.
Segamat District but to me as without any knowledge of the structure levels it's still hard to understand and I really don't want to digg into it.
Please just tell me exactly what to change e.g. Change the border between Kluang and Mersing to a thinner line, etc.
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Goran tek-en:Next time probably I will say it clearly.
Q:If you mean the border in the darker area, district, and the lighter area, PBT. To me there is a big difference int both thickness and type of line, different dashes, so I don't understand why you want it thicker, thinner for?
A:District are first place, and than for PBT. You can think that district is bigger than PBT. For you to easier know about it, Segamat District=Segamat+Labis.
Q:Please just tell me exactly what to change e.g. Change the border between Kluang and Mersing to a thinner line, etc.
A:OK, Change the border between Kluang and Simpang Renggam, Segamat and Labis, Johor Bahru Iskandar Puteri and Pasir Gudang, Kota Tinggi and Pengerang, Yong Peng and Batu Pahat to a thinner line
Malaysia's Administrative divisions very unique because it had seperate to district and PBT (local authorities). Thank you for your understanding.Regards :)
angys (
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16:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
@
Goran tek-en:, look good, but I think that locator map can be focus at Johor area only, other area is not necessary at all. Thanks. (and the 2 outer islands located in east coast of Johor is belong to Pontian, and West Coast is for Mersing)
angys (
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18:10, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: I don't understand if you want me to change something, in that case be specific and direct. As I understood it we should use tha map we had and just turn it into those locator maps. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions for the period 2017. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
current main page.
Hi, the Treaty of Nöteborg is the first known border between Finland, Sweden and Novgorod and thus quite important. The prevailing view in research is that the border had two lines and the area between belonged jointly to West-Finnish/Swedish and Russo-Karelian cultures respectively. This view is supported by Iron Age material discoveries. I made a map to Finnish wikipedia according to historians Jarl Gallén and Johan Lind (1991) but I am not happy to the quality of the map. Template doesn`t have too many pixels and the graphics need to be better etc. Also description box would be grate to add already to the map. I can fill it with information if needed.
Totally new map of the border or good quality template and some help.
Sources
Jarl Gallen: Nöteborgsfreden och Finlands medeltida östgräns (1968),
Pirjo Uino: Ancient Karelia (1997),
Haggren er al.: Muinaisuutemme jäljet (2015) — Preceding
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Scope creep: I can't find or read the names of two cities and then there is a dot I can't see any name for. It's encircled on
this image. Also I have very hard to read the different dates, what is at the base of arrows, which numbers or letters. --
Goran tek-en (
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18:41, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: It looks like your right. I reads like Dudenhofen, but it is definitely not that. Too far out to the right, but a long way. I created some intersecting grid lines on google earth, and created a triangle where it should have been in, but couldn't locate it. So I guess miss it out for the moment. I saw this map:
[2] (map 4 on bottom left) which was the unit operations for the invasion, and its got a bunch of places all over, lots in common with this map, but Dudenhofen is not it. I have added the La Feuillie as well for correct location.
I've made a list of the names of cities, on the map, ones in doubt, which may help.
That is pretty decent. It was pretty decent before, better now. Maybe worth firing in an English Channel label in the channel. Good work.
scope_creep (
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19:45, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: All in excellent. Although the legend box, im not sure how to fill it in. There is no mile indicator, which would be handy. I don't what the circles mean on top of the box. The dashes are a NATO standard. The circles mean
Direction finding (D/F) units, the others which are Intcp intercept companies.
OB West,
5th Panzer Army, Blue line is a front. Red lines are D/F and intercept bearings.
scope_creep (
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13:58, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Add a mile indicator
Legend Box:
Single dash - intcp company
Three dashes - command intcp company.
Square box with circle - D/F unit (I'll add an extensive caption and include direction finding)
Name: Chart 6 German radio intelligence operations in the Mediterranean and North Africa theatre March 1943
Description:Armies, Direction finding and Intercept units movements during Signal intelligence operations by Germany in the Mediterranean and North Africa theatre in March 1943.
Between Rome and Sicily, please next to line: radio teletype circuit. By that point in the war, mid 43, Germany was starting to distrust
Enigma cipher machine, and was using fixed communication lines.
Between Sicily and Tunis it is a Decimeter Microwave
Between Rome to Tunis = 70 Watt SW Comm circuit.
The dashes between fifth panzer and africa korps = Comm circuit
Between Sicily and Gabes = 70 Watt SW Comm circuit.
OB Southwest is OB Southwest. We don't have a page for it yet.
Single dash - intcp company
Three dashes - command intcp company
Take out that first dashes at the bottom. The first of three.
dashed, dashed, dashed - Comm Circuit.
The diagram may be need to bigger. I don't how it would work. It seems to be a bundle, even a whole bundle, or even a whole lot. I'll see how it looks, it could overwhelm it, symbols all over the shop, like Google Earth gets sometimes. Ive added this for later. Hope that helps.
Name: Chart 7 German Communication Circuits used by Intercept Units in Africa and Near East March 1943
Description:Armies, Direction finding and Intercept units movements during Signal intelligence operations by Germany in Africa and Near East March 1943
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Goran tek-en:, Yip. I think thats all right. It is one interpretation of what the doc says. I don't know if it is the right one, but it will do. For such a simple diagram. I thought it would be less complex. Good work. Its good.
scope_creep (
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18:53, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
@
Scope creep:I need your help now. I have tried to find the names of the cities but I'm very unsure for many of them. There is also the spelling of them, should it be English, German, maybe they have changed over time or there own names. I need you to write a list with the name I put in the map and then the one you want, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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17:43, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi @
Goran tek-en:, Finally got the list finished, apart from a couple, which I can identify, or don't have WP page. There is several which has slightly different names, like Stalingrad now being Volgograd. I think half a dozen like that. There is a couple I think which are completely different.
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Scope creep: For me you don't need to link to an article, thanks for the names.
I need to know if the Hungarian and Romanian armies were on the German side as the Italian were (at first)?
There is so much information in this map and trying to make all of it visible makes the map cluttered or messy. I will add everything and then you can tell me if we should change anything. But could this not be made in to two maps, to me it mixes armies and intelligence, but maybe that wont work for you. --
Goran tek-en (
talk)
19:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en:, they were both German allies at the time. If the map is crowded, can you not make the map bigger. It can be A2, or more accurately A3 in landscape, in size, and put on the article, with the thumb attribute on, when it is placed on the page, and expanded accordingly. There is no reason why it needs to be a tiny map. I would rather have a large map which could scrolled by hand, say on an ipad or by scrollbars on a windows desktop.
scope_creep (
talk)
21:09, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
One but 1. Change 1th Panzer Army at no. 8 in the legend box to 1st Panzer Army. I have went through it section by section. It is decent. Publish after that.
scope_creep (
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19:02, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
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Scope creep: Will fix that and also add the distance measure bar. I will need the following;
Name of the file:Chart 9 German Radio Intelligence Operations in Southern Russia 1941-42
Description:Armies, Direction finding and Intercept units movements during Signal intelligence operations by Germany in Southern Russian 1941-1942
I was looking for a world map that also featured individual US states that I could edit. I came across this one
[3]. However, while it's easy to edit and change the colors of countries, I can't figure out how to do it for individual states (if it's even possible). Does anyone know how to edit individual states on that map? Or can someone suggest a better alternative map? -
AnonWikiEditor (
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19:59, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
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AnonWikiEditor: We might be able to give more specific help if you told us what software you were using to edit the file, but in any graphical vector editor (e.g. Inkscape, Adobe Illustrator), it should be a simple case of selecting the US, ungrouping the states, then selecting an individual state and changing the fill. –
Joe (
talk)
14:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
At the article
Abortion law, on the map,
Chile must be showed with a new color, since its law is unlike any other law showed on the color legend. Abortion in Chile is only legal for risk to maternal life, rape, fetal defects.
[4]. So a new color for this situation is needed. See the discussion here:
Talk:Abortion_law#Chile_on_the_map.
This article needs a map of the Nagano Prefecture. It is currently using the Nagano City map, and the location of the article subject does not fall within the map. According to
Category:Japan prefecture location map templates, there are maps available for 15 of Japan's 47 prefectures; Nagano is not one of them.
MB02:40, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Please create the administrative divisions map for
Pahang, a state of
Malaysia. Appreciate to create it in both, blank and labelled version. You can refer to the official website of
Pahang ruler for your reference
here --
Ø:G (
talk)
09:24, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately that is too large of a area for me, my weak computer couldn't handle that much data at a time, so I'll have to pass on this one. But just wanted to point others to the data at OSM that can be used for this request. -
Offnfopt(talk)10:40, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
image 1 work has been done on a Government of India map (Which is POV and thus unacceptable) could anyone please change it to outline of the map at image 2 keeping the data same (basically change the kashmir part of it) -
As a clarification I only need the border of Kashmir to be redrawn to match the actual shape the shape of Kashmir under control of India as depicted in image 2.Thanks in advance-
Note, there is the custom on the map workshop and wikipedia "don't wipe out countries out of the map". We are Wikipedia, individuals from all around the world, we have no reason to distord reality and remove neighbor countries so to single a country out of the world. The most elegant way is to color the subject, India here, without wiping out neighbors. --
Yug(talk)22:12, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
I am after a map similar to that found attached; another (much clearer) version can sen seen
here. I have two other versions of the map which I can email to whoever wants to pick this up, both of which will be of use. Please let me know if you have any questions, or email me if you want to see the other two maps. Thanks very much for anyone who is able to help. -
SchroCat (
talk)
15:09, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
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SchroCat:Now there is a draft for you to look at. The different sources say different things, so this is one version of them combined. I have put in numbers for the special places so they can be explained in the description. As always, give me straight feedback, what you want more in the map, removed or whatever, all goes, thanks. Please ping me. --
Goran tek-en (
talk)
12:41, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
I've put together a rather rough and ready map showing four points of interest (Libyan embassy, the site of two demonstrations and the position of a policewoman when she was shot). It's correct but amateurish; would someone be able to Wikify it for me please? (I'm not worried about the OpenStreetMap labels shown on the map, except the street names and the name of the square). Thanks very much.
SchroCat (
talk)
10:51, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi
Goran tek-en, that's great - thanks once again for your efforts. Can we add two labels onto the map: one for St James's Square, and one for the road running off to the right of the square, Charles II Street. Thanks again -
SchroCat (
talk)
15:05, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
How about St James's Square map, when WPC Fletcher was shot. No idea why there are two: I was trying to show it was my work, but based on open street map. Cheers -
SchroCat (
talk)
16:28, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
English version please. The pink area represents North-Western Rhodesia and the blue area North-Eastern Rhodesia from 1905 until 1911, when they were unified. The red line denotes the border between them from 1899 to 1905. The green area is Barotseland.… --
Kintetsubuffalo (
talk)
12:21, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
Done. See the third image above. I worked from the Russian version.
The Spanish version contains the country names as text, but that text is not rendered in the image. The Spanish text you see in the image is rendered from SVG paths. I don't understand why people create images like that. It's an abuse of the SVG format. It makes the image larger (though only about 50% in this case), slower to render, and much more difficult to edit. I wish they wouldn't do it.
Maproom (
talk)
13:03, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Asking for a vector conversion version of the map; something readable and simple to illustrate Buffalo's vibrant Canal life from the 1840s to the 1930s. I understand it's object-intensive and might be considered a project, so if it's not a priority for right now, that's fine. It's in the public domain as the date has expired, and I can find a source for it later. --
Buffaboytalk02:39, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
I can help you but first I would like you to move this request to the map section as that is where it belongs. Just ping me when done and I will take it, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
talk)
15:43, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: Hi thanks for taking the request. Yes, essentially I'm just asking for an SVG version, but without the legend or the text seen at the top of the map. That can be described in the image description. If you could retain the colors (instead of how they were changed in the other map), that would look good as well.
Buffaboytalk20:38, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
47 articles at en:wp, plus 43 articles on 34 other wikis
Request
See
Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_154#Map_won't_render_at_a_specific_resolution. Our Virginia county locator maps appear to have some sort of validation error that often causes them not to appear properly. Would it be possible to modify or recreate this map so that it validates properly? We need all 133 city and county maps to be updated, so I'd really appreciate it if you made it human-editable so that I could create derivative works myself rather than making you do the other 132.
Nyttend (
talk)
03:18, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
The code for both of those are valid according to
w3c. Hopefully that will make them work. I actually think that the large size could be a problem at some thumb sizes. This is not something I can prove it's just my experience and understanding.
Here I will tell you wath I have done. I work on Ubuntu 16.04 and used Inkscape 0.91. How Inkscape work on other OS and versions is nothing I can say.
Open file in Inkscape
Open XML editor, shift+ctrl+x (Edit/XML editor)
In text on left side, find <svg:clipPath id=".....">
Click to mark it, then find the symbol for Delete node above, has a red/white X in it, click that to remove the node. This removes the thicker outline.
Select all ctrl+a and make a group ctrl+g of it.
Select all ctrl+a, click on the padlock symbol (to locked) at the top to make changes same prorpotion W and H.
Click to mark all four of the symbols to the right of W and H at the top, they should all four have a line around them.
To the left of the four symbols choose px in the list.
In the W value box change the value to something under 1000 px, I choose 748, and you can probably kepp the same number for all of the files.
Hit Enter to execute and the drawing should be like 1/10 of before.
Shift+ctrl+d (File/Document properties). In the middle you will find Custom size, choose px in the Units list.
Under that click on Resize page to content...
In the four fields type 2 in each and then click on button Resize page to drawing or selection. Close the window and the page is now the right size for the drawing.
Now go to Save as or Save a copy, which you prefer.
Down in the right hand corner pick Optimized SVG (*.svg) from the list, change the name if you want.
In the window for Optimized... unceck everything in the Options tabe. The two at the bottom was 5 and Space for me.
In tab Ids check Remove unused ID names for elements and Shorten IDs, nothing else.
Done I can't say this really really has fixed the problem but I hope so test if you can before you do all of them. If you are happy with this please put the code {{resolved|1=~~~~}} on this request so it can be archived, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
talk)
13:48, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Goran tek-en, thank you, but I'm somewhat confused with editing the 748px file. How do I adjust which entity is colored? When I move the code <use style="fill:#ff0000" xlink:href="#a" height="100%" width="100%" y="0" x="0"/> from place to place (always putting it at the end of a <path d=> </> string), Bath County remains highlighted, even though this is the only reference to FF0000. I don't understand what the <g></g> tags do; do I have to put it in the right place in relation to them? I encounter the same problem with the larger file; <use xlink:href="#a" fill="red"/> is the only reference to "red", but moving it from place to place still leaves Bath County highlighted.
Nyttend (
talk)
14:07, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
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Nyttend: I didn't think of that you would edit only this fill in a text editor and make all the different versions from it, then you don't need my explanation.
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Nyttend: I just found out that all the parts have no white background, I have to fix that. You can test the file above but I will send you a new one within an hour, roughly. --
Goran tek-en (
talk)
14:41, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Just back from snow shovelling, or I would have responded sooner. Yes, I have nothing more sophisticated than Windows Paint, so Notepad is the only way that I cna edit an SVG. Unfortunately, I get a 404 error when I click "Download this file". I'm about to be gone again and won't be back until almost midnight UTC (if not later), so I won't respond to anything until then. Thanks!
Nyttend (
talk)
15:33, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
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Nyttend: The error is because I removed that file. You can always install Inkscape it's open source.
Download this file, it has white in all the different parts. Search for <path style="stroke-linejoin:round;stroke:#000000;stroke-width:11.89;fill:#ff0000" and change the fill:# value as you need.
There are also 8 groups which the g stands for <g style="stroke-linejoin:round;stroke:#000000;stroke-width:119;fill:#ffffff" transform="matrix(.099917 0 0 .099917 -40182 -19321)">
<path style="fill:#ffffff". I didn't break up them as I don't know if they are supposed to be in a group or not. But you can change in the same way, the whole group is the first fill and each path fill is the second fill. Hope this helps. --
Goran tek-en (
talk)
15:47, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank
you; this is exactly what I was seeking. I'll let you know if I need any help, but I think I'll try from here on finishing all the different versions.
Nyttend (
talk)
03:25, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
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Nyttend: If you knew from the beginning what you wanted, why didn't you write that? It would have saved me work.
Because I know almost nothing about SVGs; what I wrote at the start is the best description I had (and the best description I still have) of what I wanted. Had you been making the request, what would you have said?
Nyttend (
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13:59, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
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Nyttend: Often you can go different paths to reach the same goal, same here. I work much with Inkscape and as it's open source I assumed that you would use that to edit the files. To my understanding now, you knew/believed that you wanted to edit the files in a text editor. If I had had that information from the beginning I would have worked differently with this, the whole part with editing in Inkscape is useless. It would have been great if you started with to say that you know almost nothing about SVGs but you wished to do the editing in a text editor. Then we could have discussed how to approach this. --
Goran tek-en (
talk)
15:26, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
That's why I said "human-editable"; I partly remembered {{
NoInkscape}} and figured that "human-editable" meant that it could be modified in a text editor without much difficulty.
Nyttend (
talk)
15:31, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
I'll try to remember this if I make any more requests; sorry for being confusing. This is what happens when I try to talk like people whose language I don't really understand :-)
Nyttend (
talk)
23:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
So can you provide the translations please? Then I will make the translated map. --
Chumwa (
talk) 10:53, 1 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Chumwa (
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contribs)
Legend: Paraguayan War / 1864 – 1870 / Paraguayan territory after the war / Disputed, extensive uninhabited area in the Gran Chaco / Paraguayan territorial losses / 1879 national borders / Current borders of Paraguay
Within the map, the following need to be changed as follows: Bolivien - Bolivia, Kaiserreich Brasilien - Brazilian Empire, Argentinien - Argentina, Nordteil beansprucht von - Northern area claimed by, Grenzziehung kam de facto nicht zur Wirkung - The drawing of borders had no de facto effect, 1897 von US-Präsident Hayes ausgehandelte Grenzziehung - Negotiated borders drawn in 1897 by US President Hayes, Südteil bis zum Rio Verde beansprucht von - Southern area up to the Río Verde claimed by, beansprucht von - Claimed by, Stellungssystem Humaitá - Siege of Humaitá, In der ersten... - In the first half on the 19th century, intermittently occupied by Paraguay. Control by Argentina was confirmed by the 1852 Derqui–Varela Treaty., Das Gebiet östlich... - The eastern area of Misiones was disputed until 1895 between Argentina and Brazil.
Here you are. Thanks for the translation! --
Chumwa (
talk) 22:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
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Chumwa: Unfortunately, I just noticed a minor typo. I wrote "In the first half on the 19th century", which should have been "... of the 19th century". Could you please fix that in the map? —
Μετάknowledgediscuss/
deeds04:42, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
I'd like a correction to this map – the unit shown as the "7th Army" in the center of the map, holding positions around Voronezh, should be "8th Army" as per the original source map. The Soviet 7th Army did not serve on the Southern Front. I have brought this up on the map creator's talk page, but did not receive a response.
Kges1901 (
talk)
21:31, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
New version uploaded. Done If you are happy with this please put the code {{resolved|1=~~~~}} on this request so it can be archived, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
talk)
10:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
There are little dotted lines in four random places: off Sussex in the English Channel, off Northumbria (midway between 8 and 9) in the North Sea, off Munster (and going past the Isles of Scilly) in the Atlantic, and on the western fringe of Ireland in the Atlantic, headed northwest toward Iceland. These aren't explained, and given the position of the last one, I doubt that they're shipping lanes. Unless you can divine their purpose, could you remove them? --
Nyttend (
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04:14, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that they continue the borders, but are seaweeds or sea waters addressed for climate hardiness? If not, what's the point, since nothing grows or can grow in the open sea? That's what I meant by "unexplained": the point of displaying them (i.e. how they contribute to the meaning given by the map), not the graphical reason for their appearance in the first place.
Nyttend (
talk)
12:44, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
IMO the dotted line between 9 and 10 is useful. While it may not have a direct meaning to the marine areas it crosses, the context makes it clear the ratings only apply to land areas, and the addition of the line makes it easier to determine which of the coastal sections are 10. I cannot see a tangible benefit to the 8/9 line. A bigger concern for me is the source - what data does this represent?--
Nilfanion (
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16:06, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
My question is what is the source for the boundaries shown? This map has no indication where that data came from, and without knowing that cannot gauge its accuracy. Compare to these two maps, produced by two different British nurseries, which also purport to show USDA hardiness zones (
[8][9]).--
Nilfanion (
talk)
17:23, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
The zones are divided according to specified ranges of average annual minimum winter temperature
[10] - so maybe people make their own maps? Perhaps we should ask the uploader,
MPF, who is still active on Commons.
PaleCloudedWhite (
talk)
17:42, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi PaleCloudedWhite - thanks for the tag about
File:UK zonemap.png. You're right in your analysis, and right that it shouldn't really be on the Pennines or the Geography of England pages; do please remove it from those. Yes, I made this myself (original research is permitted on Commons!), but it is as you say, from average annual minimum winter temperatures. I like to think that my map is more accurate than the other two that @
Nilfanion: mentioned - the first is wildly out in giving a large part of central Scotland as zone 6 (would only apply to the high tops of the Cairngorms) and too much of England as zone 7, while the second is rather haphazard (badly drawn) in its zone boundaries, not matching landforms too well. There may be errors in mine too; anyone with access to better detail is welcome to upload a new version. The dotted lines out to sea are for convenience only to highlight the narrow warmer coastal districts; while the 8/9 boundary is less tricky to see than the 9/10 boundary, removing one but leaving the other would make the map look very odd. I also made (and still have) a similar map for Europe, but never got round to uploading it here. Hope this helps! -
MPF (
talk)
01:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
While OR is permitted on Commons, we should be careful about how we present it on Wikipedia. The data (ie the annual average minimum temps) underlying the map must have come from somewhere, hopefully a reliable source for such information. My concern is I can't see where to even begin to attempt a verification of the data, not the conversion of that data to a graphic (acceptable OR!). For instance, is the representation of the Pennines more accurate than the other two? I don't know. On the plus side, the Met Office has released a ton of climatological data (to 5km precision) under the OGL. Extracting annual average minimums from that is just number crunching.--
Nilfanion (
talk)
15:19, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
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Mikey641:Inkscape is a free and open source alternative to Illustrator that you could use. A lot of base locator maps on Commons are also specifically formatted so that they can be edited with any text editor.
If not I'm sure there are people here who would happy to help you make them. I think the reason that you have not had any responses so far is that it is not very clear from your request what you actually want. Please specify what map you would like to base these on (e.g. the whole world? Europe? Europe and the Middle East?), exactly which countries you want highlighted, what colours you want, etc. You may find the preformatted "new request" form linked at the top of the page useful. –
Joe (
talk)
15:59, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
cu - Cuba, jm - Jamaica, lc - Saint Lucia, bs - Bahamas, do - Dominican Republic, ht - Haiti, gd - Grenada, tt - Trinidad and Tobago, kn - Saint Kitts and Nevis, ag - Antigua and Barbuda, dm - Dominica, bb - Barbados, vc - Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, cv - Cape Verde, is - Iceland, ie - Ireland, uk - United Kingdom, st - São Tomé and Príncipe, mt - Malta, cy - Cyprus, bh - Bahrain, km - Comoros, mg - Madagascar, mu - Mauritius, sc - Seychelles, mv - Maldives, lk - Sri Lanka, sg - Singapore, id - Indonesia, bn - Brunei, tl - East Timor, jp - Japan, tw - Taiwan, ph - Philippines, pw - Palau, pg - Papua New Guinea, vu - Vanuatu, nz - New Zealand, fm - Micronesia, nr - Nauru, sb - Solomon Islands, fj - Fiji, mh - Marshall Islands, ki - Kiribati, tv - Tuvalu, ws - Samoa, to - Tonga —
Μετάknowledgediscuss/
deeds08:12, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kintetsubuffalo: I don't understand, I use Liberation sans and that is the same as (Helvetica, Arial...). When I view it on that link it's correct to me.
With coloring do you mean different colors for each island nation (very hard as it's so many). They have the color we use on maps for "main subject".
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Kintetsubuffalo: Sorry for late replay, the watch function doesn't work all the time.
Regarding the font, It might have something to do with server the image is showed on. Let's check it when it's uploaded and if still a problem I will adress it.
We have this
Commons:file:Malaysia_location_map.svg as a location map of Malaysia. If you want a district map of a specific part you will have to provide a source that we can use. The pdf-file you link to contains 24 pages so it's not easy to use, you have to understand that we have zero knowledge of the subject and need a source we can work from directly without having to search or read a lot of information. Thanks for your understanding. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:18, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: It would help a lot if you followed the normal way to edit/write here concerning new lines, indent and stuff like that. Also you link to a page "
Local governments in Malaysia" that doesn't exist, why?
You write "if you feel that was hard to know" and I don't really understand what you mean but I feel it's not something kind you mean by it. If you don't accept that we graphic workers do just , graphic work, and the requester provides all the necessary information in a way that is easy to access for us it will be very hard to help you with your requests. We have normally zero knowledge on the subject and we just want what we need to complete the request. We don't do research and we don't look thru a lot of material to try to find some information which is probably very clear to the requester. I will check in the pdf on p8. --
Goran tek-en (
talk)
20:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
I just want to tell you that those information has been provided in the PDF. Actually I have given a clear information but if you really dont know I apologize to you.
angys (
Talk Talk)
02:12, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: If you look at the text/code in edit mode you can see that to make a New line you have to put the code <br> at the end of previous line. Or in the head of the edit window click Advanced and then the Return/Enter symbol.
As you can see at the start of this line there is four :::: which gives an indent which increases as you put more of them. If you look at your edit there were three and now I put four to increase the indent. This is so that it's easy to follow a discussion and get the last edit. When there are many :::::::::::::: we just start over from zero again. Check in any request here to find out this and more. It's very helpful to use the Show preview function below to check everything before one click on Publish changes. --
Goran tek-en (
talk)
19:03, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: I want you to
look at this draft and check that's it right so far. Then we have to decide how to do with the long names to the right (PBT names). It will be hard to fit them in the different areas so we can do in different ways. Colors is one way but it can easily become a problem for people with color viewing problems. My suggestion is that we put numbers (as I show with 1 and 2) and then either put the names in a legend on the map or put the names in the description field of the map?
Putting it in the description field makes it easier to translate, tell me which you want and what/if to change in the map, please ping me, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
talk)
14:19, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: Thanks, the map look nice. I suggest that the district border can be thicker and the PBT (local authorities) border can be thinner. I think numbering is not ok and maybe you can do for location map and label the map by using template e.g. {{Penang district level labelled map}}. So far Johor have 10 district and 16 local authority, if you want to do a map that already labelled, maybe you can consider just using short name e.g. Majlis Bandaraya Iskandar Puteri (Iskandar Puteri City) for only Iskandar Puteri and for Majlis Daerah Simpang Renggam only Spg. Renggam. Best regards.
angys (
Talk Talk)
15:33, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: The template {{Penang district level labelled map}} is something that works on wikipedia when some one writes an article. The template use, in this case, a png image as base image and then adding the names. So as a graphic worker I would have done the png (in that case) and then you as a editor of the article will do the rest using the template. I create an image and then I upload it to commons, not wikipedia. I will try to shorten the names and then we will go from there. --
Goran tek-en (
talk)
19:02, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en:OK, Your maps got a little bit error. Firstly I have noted that the district border you can thicker it and the PBT (local authorities) border can be thinner e.g.
Segamat District have 2 PBT due to it's land size too big abd split to Labis town and Segamat municipal..
The second one is spme of the name in the map spell wrong.
Tempatan Penggerang can be more shorter to
Pengerang (one g, Tempatan means locality)
I think the map may be can do 2 version that 1 version is blank while another version with text which is translateable to fit some special script e.g. Japanese, Chinese, Arabisan... That is my little opinion and thank you for your working. :)
angys (
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22:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: If you mean the border in the darker area, district, and the lighter area, PBT. To me there is a big difference int both thickness and type of line, different dashes, so I don't understand why you want it thicker, thinner for?
I start to think that I don't really understand the differences of the different types of areas you are talking about. I understand that you try to explain for me by linking to e.g.
Segamat District but to me as without any knowledge of the structure levels it's still hard to understand and I really don't want to digg into it.
Please just tell me exactly what to change e.g. Change the border between Kluang and Mersing to a thinner line, etc.
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Goran tek-en:Next time probably I will say it clearly.
Q:If you mean the border in the darker area, district, and the lighter area, PBT. To me there is a big difference int both thickness and type of line, different dashes, so I don't understand why you want it thicker, thinner for?
A:District are first place, and than for PBT. You can think that district is bigger than PBT. For you to easier know about it, Segamat District=Segamat+Labis.
Q:Please just tell me exactly what to change e.g. Change the border between Kluang and Mersing to a thinner line, etc.
A:OK, Change the border between Kluang and Simpang Renggam, Segamat and Labis, Johor Bahru Iskandar Puteri and Pasir Gudang, Kota Tinggi and Pengerang, Yong Peng and Batu Pahat to a thinner line
Malaysia's Administrative divisions very unique because it had seperate to district and PBT (local authorities). Thank you for your understanding.Regards :)
angys (
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16:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en:, look good, but I think that locator map can be focus at Johor area only, other area is not necessary at all. Thanks. (and the 2 outer islands located in east coast of Johor is belong to Pontian, and West Coast is for Mersing)
angys (
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18:10, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: I don't understand if you want me to change something, in that case be specific and direct. As I understood it we should use tha map we had and just turn it into those locator maps. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
I'd like an English translation of this map as we cannot expect our readers to be able to read foreign languages. Requesting here as original uploader seems to be inactive. Please do not include the text at the bottom starting with "Схема" as it properly belongs in the image caption. Text to translate:
In Legend: Красные армии в 4 ноябру 1920 г. = Red Army positions on 4 November 1920; Основная групировка Белых - Main White units, Двнжения красной армии - Attack axis of Red Army units
Bodies of water: Черное Море = Black Sea; Азовское Море = Sea of Azov; Днепр = Dnieper; Ингулец = Inhulets; Салгир = Salgir; Аравмская Смрелка = Arabat Spit.
Military units: 6 АРМИЯ = 6th Army; МАХНО = Black Army: 1 КОНАРМИЯ = 1st Cavalry Army; 2 КОНАРМИЯ = 2nd Cavalry Army; 13 АРМИЯ = 13th Army; 4 АРМИЯ = 4th Army; 11 КОРПУС = 1st Army Corps (typo in map); резервы = Reserve
Kges1901 (
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22:37, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
That image doesn't have any text in it. What you see as text is generated from <path> structures in the file. This makes it far more difficult (and well beyond my ability) to edit. I could manage a PNG or other bitmap file, or a sensibly constructed SVG, but not an SVG file like this which combines the worse aspects of both.
Maproom (
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15:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: That image had a lot of problems in it besides for not having any text information. I have redone it and changed it to follow (as far as possible)
the template we use. You should check so I got the unit size and type of unit correct. There is one name, in purple on my draft, which I couldn't find a translation for.
Draft for you to check, give me feedback, please ping me, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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20:33, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Translation and upload of maps including unit actions from offline sources, in order to provide better maps for a military unit article nominated for FA. I will send scans and translations of Russian and Polish terms in response to email if this request is accepted. The mapmaker need not do any research on this, simply create a map and add colors; I will be available for questions.
Kges1901 (
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12:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
It's hard to accept when one doesn't know the extent of the request. Saying "simply create a map and add colors" doesn't tell me much. --
Goran tek-en (
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10:19, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
I will email the original map with translations, all you have to do is edit the translations into the map, and possibly add background colors as these are black and white maps. I have two maps for the Soviet invasion of Poland and four more for campaigns on the Eastern Front.
Kges1901 (
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11:03, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Mostly I/we (graphic workers, commons) try to make SVG files for maps as it's better in general,
Transition_to_SVG. If it's not that one for a specific reason wants to keep the original map, like historical document or other. So to me there is probably more work on this then what you think. Have you checked so that we can do this, there is no license stopping us?
If there is no problems with licenses and it's OK for you that I convert them into SVG I will take this request, please ping me, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: I will start to work with them now. You said before that there was no problem with the license, but to me the maps are taken from a book which probably has a copyright on it. I don't know if the maps are made just for that book or if it's historical documents, but anyway, to my understanding the book still has its copyright.
Derivative_works,
2D_copying,
Screenshots.
This is were my knowledge about those things starts to be vague, I don't know enough about copyrights like this. So what I can see I can only use those maps as a source of information and then I will have to make new versions of them which differ enough to be considered as my work.
I need your help on telling/showing me which part of Poland the image 17 to 20 september.png shows? I have searched for Grodno but there are several around Poland.--
Goran tek-en (
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13:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: Mostly it is more complicated as we graphic worker as good as always have zero knowledge of the subject. You must have spelled the category wrong because it's a red link. Your Mymaps are very good for me, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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16:52, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: I want you to check
this draft so I got the over all area correct. Also I want you to tell me if there is more of the basic information you want in the map, or removed, or otherwise, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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18:37, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: Apologies, I should have been more specific - the Servach is very close to Baranovichi to the west. The arrows represent the movement of the specific military units. To create originality, I suggest you use different colors. For example, you could color each of the brigades a different color and use the same color for the arrows. Specifically: Arrow 1 with triangles is the 2nd Light Tank Brigade, Arrow 2 with dots is the 27th Light Tank Brigade, Arrow 3 with dashes is the 20th Motor Rifle and Machine Gun Brigade, Arrow 4 is the 21st Light Tank Brigade, arrow 6 is the 29th Light Tank Brigade, and arrow 5 is the 32nd Light Tank Brigade.
Kges1901 (
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14:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: You have it marked in the right place. Note that the mouth of the Servach is
here (it flows into the Neman). It is easier to see rivers on map view. However, I noticed that you marked the national borders for modern day, but since this is in a historical context the 1939 border should be marked. You can find the 1939 borders in the map I sent you, and they are clearly delineated in files on Commons such as
File:Kamp_wrzesn9-16.pngKges1901 (
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18:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: I was just going to ask you about the borders, thanks for the info. At commons and wikipedia we try to keep some kind of structure and identity between maps that have the same purpose, this so it's easier for the viewers. For this reason we have different templates and
this template is for military maps. If you look at the top left part there are symbols for different sizes and types of units.
In this new draft I have used them. But I'm not sure I got the sizes or types of units correct so check this and everything else also, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: You got the unit types right except that the 20th MRB is a brigade and thus should have one 'X'. The 15th TC is a corps and should have three 'X's. Don't forget that the 'u' in Soviet Union is capitalized, and third country in the northwest corner is Lithuania. The last thing for this map will be adding the dates. Thank you for putting the work in to make the map.
Kges1901 (
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20:38, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901:New draft. There are two new green lines which I found now, missed them before. It's hard to see but I think I got them right. They are green just now so it's easy for you to see them, will make them read. Feedback, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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16:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: When I look at 20-24 on the map I can't help wonder why is this not included in 17-20 which then would turn into 17-24? I will await your answer before uploading the previous one or start on this one, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:20, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: I initially thought it should be separate because otherwise the first map would cover too large of an area. But I noticed that you included the Suwalki area in the first map, so the second would should be combined. I will send you a mymap of the key locations.
Kges1901 (
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21:37, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: Great work and thanks for taking it on. The name should be File:15th Tank Corps in Poland 17–24 September 1939. The Description in English should be: Movements of the Soviet 15th Tank Corps in the Soviet invasion of Poland, 17–24 September 1939. Also includes early movements of the independent 29th and 32nd Tank Brigades. Categories: Maps of the Polish Defensive War of 1939, Soviet invasion of Poland of 1939
Kges1901 (
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20:46, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Will be sending copyrighted scans of maps from a book soon. I will provide you a mymaps since it is hard to create them from scratch.
Kges1901 (
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Kges1901: The three maps you sent me are in Russian, so I need a translation of the city names as they are in your mymaps. --
Goran tek-en (
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17:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: I will need explanation of all the different lines and arrows of the three maps you sent me as
numbers here. Also the grey part which represents forest to me, should they be included in the map? --
Goran tek-en (
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13:16, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: Line 1 is the initial Soviet position on 22 August 1942. Line 2 is the positions at the end of the day. Arrows 3 and 4 are the movement of the 15th Tank Corps. Line 5 is the Soviet position on 26 August. Arrow 6 is also 15th Tank Corps, arrow 7 is a German attack. The gray area is indeed forest, and should be marked.
Kges1901 (
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13:54, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: Drafts to check. I didn't really understand the different arrows so I have made some assumptions and you need to correct me, the legends and everything else.
22 August: the other movement directly south of Novogryn is of both the 15th Tank Corps and the 154th Rifle Division (the second one is an infantry unit, a division, abbreviated as RD). Note that during the battle the corps was subordinated to the 3rd Tank Army (an armored unit, a field army equivalent, abbreviated as TA), so you can put an icon for the 3rd Tank Army behind the Soviet line close to the west of Slobodka.
26 August: The northernmost attack towards Belyy Kamen is actually by the 3rd Tank Corps. That line south of Novogryn is actually for 27 August, after the end of the period. The Soviet arrows heading east for the 12th and 15th Tank Corps represent repositioning or retreats.
26–31 August (more accurately 27–31 August): The northernmost arrow towards Ozhigovo is actually the 3rd Tank Corps. Again the eastward/northward Soviet arrows for the 12th and 15th Tank Corps are retreats. Since the scale is different, you should extend the 15th Tank Corps arrow for this map closer to Leonovo as shown in the map I sent you for greater accuracy, and move the start of the arrow very close northwest of Pakom.
Kges1901 (
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00:20, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
3rd Tank Army in the Kozelsk Offensive, 22 August 1942 (1), 3rd Tank Army in the Kozelsk Offensive, 26 August 1942 (2), 3rd Tank Army in the Kozelsk Offensive, 27–31 August (3).
Actions of the 3rd Tank Army in the Kozelsk Offensive, 22 August 1942 (1), Actions of the 3rd Tank Army in the Kozelsk Offensive, 26 August 1942 (2), Actions of the 3rd Tank Army in the Kozelsk Offensive, 27–31 August 1942 (3)
Maps of battles on the Eastern Front in World War II, The counter-attack by troops of the Western front in the area of Sukhinichi, Kozelsk (all)
Kges1901 (
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11:46, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I'd like an English translation of this map as we cannot expect our readers to be able to read foreign languages. Requesting here as original uploader seems to be inactive. Please do not include the text at the bottom starting with "Схема" as it properly belongs in the image caption. Text to translate:
In Legend: Красные армии в 4 ноябру 1920 г. = Red Army positions on 4 November 1920; Основная групировка Белых - Main White units, Двнжения красной армии - Attack axis of Red Army units
Bodies of water: Черное Море = Black Sea; Азовское Море = Sea of Azov; Днепр = Dnieper; Ингулец = Inhulets; Салгир = Salgir; Аравмская Смрелка = Arabat Spit.
Military units: 6 АРМИЯ = 6th Army; МАХНО = Black Army: 1 КОНАРМИЯ = 1st Cavalry Army; 2 КОНАРМИЯ = 2nd Cavalry Army; 13 АРМИЯ = 13th Army; 4 АРМИЯ = 4th Army; 11 КОРПУС = 1st Army Corps (typo in map); резервы = Reserve
Kges1901 (
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22:37, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
That image doesn't have any text in it. What you see as text is generated from <path> structures in the file. This makes it far more difficult (and well beyond my ability) to edit. I could manage a PNG or other bitmap file, or a sensibly constructed SVG, but not an SVG file like this which combines the worse aspects of both.
Maproom (
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15:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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Kges1901: That image had a lot of problems in it besides for not having any text information. I have redone it and changed it to follow (as far as possible)
the template we use. You should check so I got the unit size and type of unit correct. There is one name, in purple on my draft, which I couldn't find a translation for.
Draft for you to check, give me feedback, please ping me, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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20:33, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
We have this
Commons:file:Malaysia_location_map.svg as a location map of Malaysia. If you want a district map of a specific part you will have to provide a source that we can use. The pdf-file you link to contains 24 pages so it's not easy to use, you have to understand that we have zero knowledge of the subject and need a source we can work from directly without having to search or read a lot of information. Thanks for your understanding. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:18, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: It would help a lot if you followed the normal way to edit/write here concerning new lines, indent and stuff like that. Also you link to a page "
Local governments in Malaysia" that doesn't exist, why?
You write "if you feel that was hard to know" and I don't really understand what you mean but I feel it's not something kind you mean by it. If you don't accept that we graphic workers do just , graphic work, and the requester provides all the necessary information in a way that is easy to access for us it will be very hard to help you with your requests. We have normally zero knowledge on the subject and we just want what we need to complete the request. We don't do research and we don't look thru a lot of material to try to find some information which is probably very clear to the requester. I will check in the pdf on p8. --
Goran tek-en (
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20:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
I just want to tell you that those information has been provided in the PDF. Actually I have given a clear information but if you really dont know I apologize to you.
angys (
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02:12, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: If you look at the text/code in edit mode you can see that to make a New line you have to put the code <br> at the end of previous line. Or in the head of the edit window click Advanced and then the Return/Enter symbol.
As you can see at the start of this line there is four :::: which gives an indent which increases as you put more of them. If you look at your edit there were three and now I put four to increase the indent. This is so that it's easy to follow a discussion and get the last edit. When there are many :::::::::::::: we just start over from zero again. Check in any request here to find out this and more. It's very helpful to use the Show preview function below to check everything before one click on Publish changes. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:03, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: I want you to
look at this draft and check that's it right so far. Then we have to decide how to do with the long names to the right (PBT names). It will be hard to fit them in the different areas so we can do in different ways. Colors is one way but it can easily become a problem for people with color viewing problems. My suggestion is that we put numbers (as I show with 1 and 2) and then either put the names in a legend on the map or put the names in the description field of the map?
Putting it in the description field makes it easier to translate, tell me which you want and what/if to change in the map, please ping me, thanks. --
Goran tek-en (
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14:19, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en: Thanks, the map look nice. I suggest that the district border can be thicker and the PBT (local authorities) border can be thinner. I think numbering is not ok and maybe you can do for location map and label the map by using template e.g. {{Penang district level labelled map}}. So far Johor have 10 district and 16 local authority, if you want to do a map that already labelled, maybe you can consider just using short name e.g. Majlis Bandaraya Iskandar Puteri (Iskandar Puteri City) for only Iskandar Puteri and for Majlis Daerah Simpang Renggam only Spg. Renggam. Best regards.
angys (
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15:33, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: The template {{Penang district level labelled map}} is something that works on wikipedia when some one writes an article. The template use, in this case, a png image as base image and then adding the names. So as a graphic worker I would have done the png (in that case) and then you as a editor of the article will do the rest using the template. I create an image and then I upload it to commons, not wikipedia. I will try to shorten the names and then we will go from there. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:02, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en:OK, Your maps got a little bit error. Firstly I have noted that the district border you can thicker it and the PBT (local authorities) border can be thinner e.g.
Segamat District have 2 PBT due to it's land size too big abd split to Labis town and Segamat municipal..
The second one is spme of the name in the map spell wrong.
Tempatan Penggerang can be more shorter to
Pengerang (one g, Tempatan means locality)
I think the map may be can do 2 version that 1 version is blank while another version with text which is translateable to fit some special script e.g. Japanese, Chinese, Arabisan... That is my little opinion and thank you for your working. :)
angys (
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22:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: If you mean the border in the darker area, district, and the lighter area, PBT. To me there is a big difference int both thickness and type of line, different dashes, so I don't understand why you want it thicker, thinner for?
I start to think that I don't really understand the differences of the different types of areas you are talking about. I understand that you try to explain for me by linking to e.g.
Segamat District but to me as without any knowledge of the structure levels it's still hard to understand and I really don't want to digg into it.
Please just tell me exactly what to change e.g. Change the border between Kluang and Mersing to a thinner line, etc.
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Goran tek-en:Next time probably I will say it clearly.
Q:If you mean the border in the darker area, district, and the lighter area, PBT. To me there is a big difference int both thickness and type of line, different dashes, so I don't understand why you want it thicker, thinner for?
A:District are first place, and than for PBT. You can think that district is bigger than PBT. For you to easier know about it, Segamat District=Segamat+Labis.
Q:Please just tell me exactly what to change e.g. Change the border between Kluang and Mersing to a thinner line, etc.
A:OK, Change the border between Kluang and Simpang Renggam, Segamat and Labis, Johor Bahru Iskandar Puteri and Pasir Gudang, Kota Tinggi and Pengerang, Yong Peng and Batu Pahat to a thinner line
Malaysia's Administrative divisions very unique because it had seperate to district and PBT (local authorities). Thank you for your understanding.Regards :)
angys (
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16:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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Goran tek-en:, look good, but I think that locator map can be focus at Johor area only, other area is not necessary at all. Thanks. (and the 2 outer islands located in east coast of Johor is belong to Pontian, and West Coast is for Mersing)
angys (
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18:10, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
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*angys*: I don't understand if you want me to change something, in that case be specific and direct. As I understood it we should use tha map we had and just turn it into those locator maps. --
Goran tek-en (
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19:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)