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These non-free images are being used in the infoboxes for episodes of Breaking Bad. The non-free usage rationales do not state a purpose; they just describe the scene. The images's use is decorative, and the removal of the image would not detract from a reader's understanding of the article. Fails
WP:NFCC#8.
Some Dude From North Carolina (
talk)
01:45, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep - Content does not fail NFCC#8 as it meets contextual significance as it represents the subject of the article. The presence of the photo significantly increases reader's understanding by showing a key scene from the episode, and is useful for those who are watching the show to follow along Wikipedia's episode list to keep up with the plot. Omitting the image detracts from that understanding.
LJF2019talk01:48, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Note for people reading this discussion, LJF2019 is the uploader of a majority of these images.
If a reader wants to keep up with the plot, they can just read the plot summary. Omitting the images does not detract from that understanding. The images themselves range from characters talking (
1,
2,
3 for example), characters walking (
1,
2,
3 for example), and what some could call random moments in the episode that simply serve as bookmarks to certain readers, such as "Jesse falls through a port-a-potty" in "
Down".
For reference, the images in the following episodes were not nominated: "
Caballo sin Nombre", "
Full Measure", "
Crawl Space", "
Face Off", and "
Ozymandias". Those images feature moments that received attention and caused an aftermath that had to be discussed in their respective articles (vandalizing, Emmy nominations for visual effects, analysis, etc.). They meet every single criteria at NFCC, unlike the images nominated above.
The alternative to an image is text. Take the image in "
Abiquiu" for example. "Walter slices garlic for Gus' paila marina stew." The image is not necessary because that description can be moved to the plot summary. It is also not relevant to the episode. Another example is in "
Madrigal", which reads, "Mike meets with Madrigal executive Lydia Rodarte-Quayle." Why would that image be necessary? If an image was to be needed, why not just use a free image of
Laura Fraser? All of the nominated images are (1) unnecessary, (2) not relevant, or (3) replaceable with text. Another thing, please don't post comments that are uncivil to my talk page (
Special:Diff/1085528760 and
Special:Diff/1085530078).
Some Dude From North Carolina (
talk)
02:16, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
There are no title cards, and the episode name is only shown in the opening on-screen running credits as the first scene or two progresses. --
Masem (
t)
00:45, 2 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Literally you right now. Not sure what you expected spamming all of my photos. Go ahead and delete them, what did you accomplish in life? Think about it, did you really "improve" the encyclopedia by removing content from it? Some policies need to be changed. I'm not going to be civil when you spam my page, just like I'm not going to let someone walk over me at work, which I think you should spend more time doing instead of Wikipedia. Are you making money from being on the site? Does removing content give you your needed dopamine hit or whatever?
LJF2019talk04:52, 3 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete all with a TNT consideration. There is no allowance for a non-free screenshot for any TV episode, and if one is used it has to show that it passes the NFCC#8 contextual test. Now, there is clearly some potential for some episodes of BB to have screenshots given the coverage of the show in both production and reception, with a screenshot selected (eg one that was not nominated was
File:Face_Off_(Breaking_Bad).jpg which in
Face Off (Breaking Bad) is discussed the iconic nature of that shot and special effects used. But that's the type of info that needs to back every screenshot for each ep, not just the claim that is supports a critical scene. --
Masem (
t)
00:43, 2 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete per Masem. None of these images do much of anything for reader understanding. The articles on
The Simpsons episodes don't even have a screenshot posted on their respective articles, and that's one of the most popular shows. The list as far I can tell falls a long ways outside of fair use and should be
nuked.—
Mythdon (
talk •
contribs)
21:09, 2 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete all - None of the images are the subject of significant sourced critical commentary. Simply illustrating the plot isn't sufficient to meet
WP:NFCC#8. --
Whpq (
talk)
13:55, 3 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete all per Masem. Through my journey of working on TV articles, I've gotten well versed in understanding the legality that comes around non-free images, and how they need to support all facets of
WP:NFCC, particularly #8. This has long been a project I've dreamed up of really exploring images used for TV episode articles, because many are frankly screenshots of a moment with no critical commentary to back up their inclusion in the articles. -
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Comment: File is currently not being used in any articles which means it's going to eventually end up deleted per
WP:F5 if it stays non-free. If the file has no legitimate use (it was being used in
L'Oréal), then I'm not sure there's a need to change the license to "FoP-USonly". The current infobox image being used in L'Oréal also likely has
c:COM:FOP France issues which means it's probably going to end up deleted from Commons. If that happens and nobody reuploads it locally to English Wikipedia as "FoP-USonly", then I guess this file could be relicensed and used instead; that, however, only makes sense if there's valid encycolpedic use for the file. If the headquarters has been moved or changed, then there's probably not much encyclopedic use for even a "free" photo of the former headquarters. --
Marchjuly (
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23:44, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep This file is CLEARLY erroneously labeled. A free photo of the former HQ certainly has encyclopedic value when discussing the history of the company.
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Move to Commons: Could be moved to Commons instead of being deleted since the source of the crop appears to (at least at first glance) to be OK for Commons. There's no real need for local version of a freely-licensed cropped Commons file even if a use could be found for this. --
Marchjuly (
talk)
23:20, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete Per
policy at the Commons, "files that add nothing educationally distinct to the collection of images we already hold covering the same subject" are not allowed at the Commons. Therefore, this image is out of scope at the Commons and should not be transfered. Here at enwiki, we are
not a file storage service of unused files.
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WP:DECORATIVE non-free use in
Dukes and Lee#Personal life which fails
WP:NFCC#8. A non-free image is already being used for primary identification purposes in the article; so, two files aren't needed for that purpose per
WP:NFCC#3a. There's is a mention of the Behans performances in the
Dukes and Lee#Death as well as in the file's caption, but nothing specific to the cover art of the program itself. In order to justify this file's use in the article, it's likely going to require that there be sourced critical commentary specifically related to the program cover (not just the Behans performances, but the actual program cover itself) for the non-free use to be consider compliant as explained in
WP:NFC#cite_note-3. If there existed a separate stand-alone Wikipedia article about this particular performance, the program cover could possibly be kept and used there, but no such article exist and the non-free use of the program cover in the biography article about doesn't satisfy relevant policy. For reference, this file was originally proposed for deletion, but deprodded per
Talk:Dukes and Lee#Purpose of file. --
Marchjuly (
talk)
12:53, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete - the stated purpose "Promotional Program" is not really a purpose but rather a description of the image. Fails
WP:NFCC#8 as the program covers removal does not detract from a reader's understanding of this topic. --
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The result of the discussion was: Missing verifiable source, and noting for the record that the
source image does not include any verifiable source information. Since this could be {{
PD-USGov-Military-Army-USACMH}}, no prejudice to restoration if someone is able to produce a verifiable source/citation for this image -
FASTILY02:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep This photo was clearly taken on a military flightline (a military cargo plane is in the background). Photographs are not generally allowed without explicit permission (the VAST majority of such photos are via military personnel) and a claim of PD-USGov-Military-Army-USACMH seems reasonable. Without information from commons on the rationale, it's hard to understand why it was revoked.
Buffs (
talk)
02:49, 4 May 2022 (UTC)reply
I asked about the Commons file at
c:COM:AN#DR closed by a subsequently globally banned admin and at least so far it appears that the Commons file was properly deleted. So, unless those issues can be resolved, I don't think this particular cropped version should be kept. There are some English Wikipedia admins who are also Commons admins (
Explicit and
King of Hearts are two who come to mind) and perhaps one of them can provide additional clarification. —
Marchjuly (
talk)
02:50, 5 May 2022 (UTC)reply
In my opinion, we can keep files on English Wikipedia that we wouldn't keep on Commons because of different policies (e.g. fair use, PD in US only), but not because of different standards of evidence. --
King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠22:39, 5 May 2022 (UTC)reply
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Delete if
copyright holder consent isn't verified by
WP:VRT. Something isn't Probably not free simply because it doesn't depict what it claims to depict. An incorrect or otherwise inaccurate file description may mean the file shouldn't be being used for contextual reasons, but it doesn't make the file
non-free content. Would might make the file non-free content, on the other hand, is whether the copyright holder of the photo (generally the person who takes the photo) didn't give their consent for it to be uploaded as licensed. The file's description states that the photo was taken by a friend of the uploader and perhaps the friend told the uploader that they could upload the photo; that's a nice thing for a friend to do perhaps, but it's insufficient for Wikipedia's licensing purposes. So, if the friend wants to send a consent email to
VRT and VRT verifies the email, then this file can be kept; whether it's should be continued to be used in the same way is a different question, but it can be kept from a copyright standpoint. If copyright holder consent can't be verified, the file should be deleted. Trying to convert this to non-free seems pointless because its only possible valid non-free use would be in
Chola dynasty#Foreign trade and I can't see how that can be justified per
WP:NFC#CS unless sourced critical commentary about the anchor itself is added to the section. --
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Delete as a
WP:Derivative work of a photo of map which looks as if it's published in some book. As pointed out, a photo of a map doesn't negate or otherwise invalidate any copyright associated with the map. Unless the person who took the photo is the same person who created the map, the consent of of both are going to be needed for this to be kept. So, if the uploader is the same person who took the photo and also is the same person who created the map, then they should send their
WP:CONSENT to
Wikimedia VRT for verification; otherwise, the file can't be kept. If the uploader, photographer and map creator are all the same person, I suggest that they retake the photo so it's just
straightforward reproduction of the map itself without any angles, shadowing elements or anything else that might make the photo itself eligible for copyright. The fact that the file is currently not being used in any articles means there's no point in tyring to convert it to
non-free content since it would immediately be tagged for speedy deletion per
WP:F5. --
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23:13, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
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These non-free images are being used in the infoboxes for episodes of Breaking Bad. The non-free usage rationales do not state a purpose; they just describe the scene. The images's use is decorative, and the removal of the image would not detract from a reader's understanding of the article. Fails
WP:NFCC#8.
Some Dude From North Carolina (
talk)
01:45, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep - Content does not fail NFCC#8 as it meets contextual significance as it represents the subject of the article. The presence of the photo significantly increases reader's understanding by showing a key scene from the episode, and is useful for those who are watching the show to follow along Wikipedia's episode list to keep up with the plot. Omitting the image detracts from that understanding.
LJF2019talk01:48, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Note for people reading this discussion, LJF2019 is the uploader of a majority of these images.
If a reader wants to keep up with the plot, they can just read the plot summary. Omitting the images does not detract from that understanding. The images themselves range from characters talking (
1,
2,
3 for example), characters walking (
1,
2,
3 for example), and what some could call random moments in the episode that simply serve as bookmarks to certain readers, such as "Jesse falls through a port-a-potty" in "
Down".
For reference, the images in the following episodes were not nominated: "
Caballo sin Nombre", "
Full Measure", "
Crawl Space", "
Face Off", and "
Ozymandias". Those images feature moments that received attention and caused an aftermath that had to be discussed in their respective articles (vandalizing, Emmy nominations for visual effects, analysis, etc.). They meet every single criteria at NFCC, unlike the images nominated above.
The alternative to an image is text. Take the image in "
Abiquiu" for example. "Walter slices garlic for Gus' paila marina stew." The image is not necessary because that description can be moved to the plot summary. It is also not relevant to the episode. Another example is in "
Madrigal", which reads, "Mike meets with Madrigal executive Lydia Rodarte-Quayle." Why would that image be necessary? If an image was to be needed, why not just use a free image of
Laura Fraser? All of the nominated images are (1) unnecessary, (2) not relevant, or (3) replaceable with text. Another thing, please don't post comments that are uncivil to my talk page (
Special:Diff/1085528760 and
Special:Diff/1085530078).
Some Dude From North Carolina (
talk)
02:16, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
There are no title cards, and the episode name is only shown in the opening on-screen running credits as the first scene or two progresses. --
Masem (
t)
00:45, 2 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Literally you right now. Not sure what you expected spamming all of my photos. Go ahead and delete them, what did you accomplish in life? Think about it, did you really "improve" the encyclopedia by removing content from it? Some policies need to be changed. I'm not going to be civil when you spam my page, just like I'm not going to let someone walk over me at work, which I think you should spend more time doing instead of Wikipedia. Are you making money from being on the site? Does removing content give you your needed dopamine hit or whatever?
LJF2019talk04:52, 3 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete all with a TNT consideration. There is no allowance for a non-free screenshot for any TV episode, and if one is used it has to show that it passes the NFCC#8 contextual test. Now, there is clearly some potential for some episodes of BB to have screenshots given the coverage of the show in both production and reception, with a screenshot selected (eg one that was not nominated was
File:Face_Off_(Breaking_Bad).jpg which in
Face Off (Breaking Bad) is discussed the iconic nature of that shot and special effects used. But that's the type of info that needs to back every screenshot for each ep, not just the claim that is supports a critical scene. --
Masem (
t)
00:43, 2 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete per Masem. None of these images do much of anything for reader understanding. The articles on
The Simpsons episodes don't even have a screenshot posted on their respective articles, and that's one of the most popular shows. The list as far I can tell falls a long ways outside of fair use and should be
nuked.—
Mythdon (
talk •
contribs)
21:09, 2 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete all - None of the images are the subject of significant sourced critical commentary. Simply illustrating the plot isn't sufficient to meet
WP:NFCC#8. --
Whpq (
talk)
13:55, 3 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete all per Masem. Through my journey of working on TV articles, I've gotten well versed in understanding the legality that comes around non-free images, and how they need to support all facets of
WP:NFCC, particularly #8. This has long been a project I've dreamed up of really exploring images used for TV episode articles, because many are frankly screenshots of a moment with no critical commentary to back up their inclusion in the articles. -
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talk)
22:28, 6 May 2022 (UTC)reply
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Comment: File is currently not being used in any articles which means it's going to eventually end up deleted per
WP:F5 if it stays non-free. If the file has no legitimate use (it was being used in
L'Oréal), then I'm not sure there's a need to change the license to "FoP-USonly". The current infobox image being used in L'Oréal also likely has
c:COM:FOP France issues which means it's probably going to end up deleted from Commons. If that happens and nobody reuploads it locally to English Wikipedia as "FoP-USonly", then I guess this file could be relicensed and used instead; that, however, only makes sense if there's valid encycolpedic use for the file. If the headquarters has been moved or changed, then there's probably not much encyclopedic use for even a "free" photo of the former headquarters. --
Marchjuly (
talk)
23:44, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep This file is CLEARLY erroneously labeled. A free photo of the former HQ certainly has encyclopedic value when discussing the history of the company.
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02:39, 4 May 2022 (UTC)reply
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Move to Commons: Could be moved to Commons instead of being deleted since the source of the crop appears to (at least at first glance) to be OK for Commons. There's no real need for local version of a freely-licensed cropped Commons file even if a use could be found for this. --
Marchjuly (
talk)
23:20, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete Per
policy at the Commons, "files that add nothing educationally distinct to the collection of images we already hold covering the same subject" are not allowed at the Commons. Therefore, this image is out of scope at the Commons and should not be transfered. Here at enwiki, we are
not a file storage service of unused files.
HouseBlastertalk19:38, 7 May 2022 (UTC)reply
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WP:DECORATIVE non-free use in
Dukes and Lee#Personal life which fails
WP:NFCC#8. A non-free image is already being used for primary identification purposes in the article; so, two files aren't needed for that purpose per
WP:NFCC#3a. There's is a mention of the Behans performances in the
Dukes and Lee#Death as well as in the file's caption, but nothing specific to the cover art of the program itself. In order to justify this file's use in the article, it's likely going to require that there be sourced critical commentary specifically related to the program cover (not just the Behans performances, but the actual program cover itself) for the non-free use to be consider compliant as explained in
WP:NFC#cite_note-3. If there existed a separate stand-alone Wikipedia article about this particular performance, the program cover could possibly be kept and used there, but no such article exist and the non-free use of the program cover in the biography article about doesn't satisfy relevant policy. For reference, this file was originally proposed for deletion, but deprodded per
Talk:Dukes and Lee#Purpose of file. --
Marchjuly (
talk)
12:53, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete - the stated purpose "Promotional Program" is not really a purpose but rather a description of the image. Fails
WP:NFCC#8 as the program covers removal does not detract from a reader's understanding of this topic. --
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14:00, 3 May 2022 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: Missing verifiable source, and noting for the record that the
source image does not include any verifiable source information. Since this could be {{
PD-USGov-Military-Army-USACMH}}, no prejudice to restoration if someone is able to produce a verifiable source/citation for this image -
FASTILY02:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep This photo was clearly taken on a military flightline (a military cargo plane is in the background). Photographs are not generally allowed without explicit permission (the VAST majority of such photos are via military personnel) and a claim of PD-USGov-Military-Army-USACMH seems reasonable. Without information from commons on the rationale, it's hard to understand why it was revoked.
Buffs (
talk)
02:49, 4 May 2022 (UTC)reply
I asked about the Commons file at
c:COM:AN#DR closed by a subsequently globally banned admin and at least so far it appears that the Commons file was properly deleted. So, unless those issues can be resolved, I don't think this particular cropped version should be kept. There are some English Wikipedia admins who are also Commons admins (
Explicit and
King of Hearts are two who come to mind) and perhaps one of them can provide additional clarification. —
Marchjuly (
talk)
02:50, 5 May 2022 (UTC)reply
In my opinion, we can keep files on English Wikipedia that we wouldn't keep on Commons because of different policies (e.g. fair use, PD in US only), but not because of different standards of evidence. --
King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠22:39, 5 May 2022 (UTC)reply
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Delete if
copyright holder consent isn't verified by
WP:VRT. Something isn't Probably not free simply because it doesn't depict what it claims to depict. An incorrect or otherwise inaccurate file description may mean the file shouldn't be being used for contextual reasons, but it doesn't make the file
non-free content. Would might make the file non-free content, on the other hand, is whether the copyright holder of the photo (generally the person who takes the photo) didn't give their consent for it to be uploaded as licensed. The file's description states that the photo was taken by a friend of the uploader and perhaps the friend told the uploader that they could upload the photo; that's a nice thing for a friend to do perhaps, but it's insufficient for Wikipedia's licensing purposes. So, if the friend wants to send a consent email to
VRT and VRT verifies the email, then this file can be kept; whether it's should be continued to be used in the same way is a different question, but it can be kept from a copyright standpoint. If copyright holder consent can't be verified, the file should be deleted. Trying to convert this to non-free seems pointless because its only possible valid non-free use would be in
Chola dynasty#Foreign trade and I can't see how that can be justified per
WP:NFC#CS unless sourced critical commentary about the anchor itself is added to the section. --
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23:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
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Delete as a
WP:Derivative work of a photo of map which looks as if it's published in some book. As pointed out, a photo of a map doesn't negate or otherwise invalidate any copyright associated with the map. Unless the person who took the photo is the same person who created the map, the consent of of both are going to be needed for this to be kept. So, if the uploader is the same person who took the photo and also is the same person who created the map, then they should send their
WP:CONSENT to
Wikimedia VRT for verification; otherwise, the file can't be kept. If the uploader, photographer and map creator are all the same person, I suggest that they retake the photo so it's just
straightforward reproduction of the map itself without any angles, shadowing elements or anything else that might make the photo itself eligible for copyright. The fact that the file is currently not being used in any articles means there's no point in tyring to convert it to
non-free content since it would immediately be tagged for speedy deletion per
WP:F5. --
Marchjuly (
talk)
23:13, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
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