The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 18:27, 17 February 2011 [1].
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I am nominating this for featured list because I believe that it is ready to be among the other televsion seasons like 30 Rock (season 1) or The Office (U.S. season 2) NoD'ohnuts ( talk) 18:19, 15 January 2011 (UTC)NoD'ohnuts reply
Comments by Matthewedwards : Chat :
I haven't really given the article a good going over because I think it's an unnecessary WP:CFORK of Modern Family and List of Modern Family episodes and goes against MOS:TV.
In the correct hierarchy of TV show articles, Modern Family is let's say a "level one" summary style article, and List of Modern Family episodes is a "level 2" summary style article. This page should contain all the major points of the season in detail but instead, apart from the episode descriptions, it doesn't. This page is largely a summary of the main series article, and that shouldn't happen. A reader doesn't want to, or shouldn't have to, go from a detailed article to a sub-article with less detail, to a third sub-article with even less, or worse, repeated detail. He should go from an article that summarises the main points to sub-articles that offer more detail and more information. That doesn't happen here.
Not trying to sound like an AFD argument, but even with a confirmed third season on the way there doesn't seem to be any legitimate reason for keeping season pages by arguing that Modern Family and List of Modern Family episodes will be too large unless separate season pages stay. Modern Family has more information about the first season than this page does, with a few minor exceptions such as ratings and a list of writers which really could be added to that article since the series is only halfway into its second season. Additionally, MOS:TV#Multiple pages also agrees on this and says that for very lengthy series with over 80 episodes (usually after 3 seasons), a list of episodes page should be broken down into season pages with the main list being a summary of those. This series has just over 35 episodes to date, so the summaries should be at the main list of episodes page.
I would work on putting the few bits of prose that is exclusive to this page in Modern Family (and season 2 pages, of which there is little new info) and take that to GA or FA. Put the summaries in the table at List of Modern Family episodes and bring that back here. Currently I have to oppose this page. Matthewedwards : Chat 00:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Comments I just like to note that all the fixes have been made and that multiple shows have season pages such as Community and Glee and both are only two season long NoD'ohnuts ( talk) 22:36, 19 January 2011 (UTC)NoD'ohnuts reply
Comments One more comment is that, my nominee has more information on reception, conception, awards and rating than the main article NoD'ohnuts ( talk) 23:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)NoD'ohnuts reply
The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 18:27, 17 February 2011 [1].
Modern Family (season 1) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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I am nominating this for featured list because I believe that it is ready to be among the other televsion seasons like 30 Rock (season 1) or The Office (U.S. season 2) NoD'ohnuts ( talk) 18:19, 15 January 2011 (UTC)NoD'ohnuts reply
Comments by Matthewedwards : Chat :
I haven't really given the article a good going over because I think it's an unnecessary WP:CFORK of Modern Family and List of Modern Family episodes and goes against MOS:TV.
In the correct hierarchy of TV show articles, Modern Family is let's say a "level one" summary style article, and List of Modern Family episodes is a "level 2" summary style article. This page should contain all the major points of the season in detail but instead, apart from the episode descriptions, it doesn't. This page is largely a summary of the main series article, and that shouldn't happen. A reader doesn't want to, or shouldn't have to, go from a detailed article to a sub-article with less detail, to a third sub-article with even less, or worse, repeated detail. He should go from an article that summarises the main points to sub-articles that offer more detail and more information. That doesn't happen here.
Not trying to sound like an AFD argument, but even with a confirmed third season on the way there doesn't seem to be any legitimate reason for keeping season pages by arguing that Modern Family and List of Modern Family episodes will be too large unless separate season pages stay. Modern Family has more information about the first season than this page does, with a few minor exceptions such as ratings and a list of writers which really could be added to that article since the series is only halfway into its second season. Additionally, MOS:TV#Multiple pages also agrees on this and says that for very lengthy series with over 80 episodes (usually after 3 seasons), a list of episodes page should be broken down into season pages with the main list being a summary of those. This series has just over 35 episodes to date, so the summaries should be at the main list of episodes page.
I would work on putting the few bits of prose that is exclusive to this page in Modern Family (and season 2 pages, of which there is little new info) and take that to GA or FA. Put the summaries in the table at List of Modern Family episodes and bring that back here. Currently I have to oppose this page. Matthewedwards : Chat 00:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Comments I just like to note that all the fixes have been made and that multiple shows have season pages such as Community and Glee and both are only two season long NoD'ohnuts ( talk) 22:36, 19 January 2011 (UTC)NoD'ohnuts reply
Comments One more comment is that, my nominee has more information on reception, conception, awards and rating than the main article NoD'ohnuts ( talk) 23:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)NoD'ohnuts reply