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This is an informal place to resolve small content disputes as part of dispute resolution. It may also be used as a tool to direct certain discussions to more appropriate forums, such as requests for comment, or other noticeboards. You can ask a question on the talk page. This is an early stop for most disputes on Wikipedia. You are not required to participate, however, the case filer must participate in all aspects of the dispute or the matter will be considered failed. Any editor may volunteer! Click this button to add your name! You don't need to volunteer to help. Please feel free to comment below on any case. Be civil and remember; Maintain Wikipedia policy: it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements. Editors must take particular care adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. This may also apply to some groups. Noticeboards should not be a substitute for talk pages. Editors are expected to have had extensive discussion on a talk page (not just through edit summaries) to work out the issues before coming to DRN.
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Case | Created | Last volunteer edit | Last modified | ||||
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Title | Status | User | Time | User | Time | User | Time |
Robert (doll) | Closed | Gabriellemcnell ( t) | 3 days, 16 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 6 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 6 hours |
Undetectable.ai | Closed | Sesame119 ( t) | 3 days, 13 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 5 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 5 hours |
Ibn Battuta | Closed | Jihanysta ( t) | 3 days, 12 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 5 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 5 hours |
Eurovision Song Contest 2024 - Israel | Closed | PicturePerfect666 ( t) | 3 days, 11 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 5 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 5 hours |
Aidi | Closed | Traumnovelle ( t) | 2 days, 17 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 2 days, 10 hours | Traumnovelle ( t) | 2 days, 6 hours |
Maratha Confederacy | New | Mohammad Umar Ali ( t) | 21 hours | None | n/a | Timtrent ( t) | 4 hours |
Elissa Slotkin | New | Andrew.robbins ( t) | 15 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 9 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 9 hours |
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Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Closed as premature, and inadequately filed. The discussion on the talk page, Talk:Robert (doll), has not been extensive. I have changed the filing to identify the subject article. Resume discussion at the article talk page. Also, the filing editor did not notify the other editors. If discussion at the article talk page resumes, and is lengthy and inconclusive, a new case can be filed here, listing the article correctly, and listing and notifying the other editors. Robert McClenon ( talk) 05:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Closed as premature. There has not been extensive discussion on the article talk page. Discuss on the article talk page. Robert McClenon ( talk) 05:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Closed, again. A similar request was filed a few days ago that failed to list the other editors, and failed to notify them of this listing. There does not appear to have been lengthy and inconclusive discussion on an article talk page. Request advice at the Teahouse. After requesting and receiving advice, discuss at the article talk page. Do not file another request here unless advice has been requested, and unless there is extensive and inconclusive discussion on an article talk page. Robert McClenon ( talk) 05:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Closed as probably not the right forum. Moderated discussion at DRN is very seldom an effective way of resolving a dispute with 23 editors. A Request for Comments on whether to split the article is probably more likely to be effective. Also, discussion on the article talk page has not been sufficient. Resume discussion at the article talk page. It might be a good idea also to request advice at the Teahouse on how to proceed with this dispute. Robert McClenon ( talk) 05:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Closed as declined by the other editors. The filing editor notified the other two editors, but both of them removed the notification of the DRN filing. Removing the notification of a DRN filing is a rude method of declining to participate in moderated discussion. Participation in DRN is voluntary, and an editor may decline to participate for any reason or no reason. Since the other editors are not participating, there will not be moderated discussion, and this thread will be closed. Continue discussion on the article talk page. Do not edit-war. A Request for Comments may be the way to resolve this dispute. Robert McClenon ( talk) |
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Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
Location of dispute
Users involved
Dispute overview
About territorial peak of an empire and what information to be included in the into para(s) of the article and what not to be included.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
Talk:Maratha_Confederacy#WP:RAJ_claim_misunderstood_by_Rawn3012 Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection/Increase#Maratha_Confederacy User_talk:Mohammad_Umar_Ali#May_2024
How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?
Plz see the WP:RS sources and take decision from a neutral point of view. Any article needs to have information of itself not others here in Maratha Confederacy article Mughals are discussed more in 1st para than the Marathas. Not much have been described about Marathas in intro paras even after so much information exist about them.
Please see the edit warring noticeboard discussion filed since this discussion was opened here. I make no comment on this, nor on that discussion. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 06:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
Location of dispute
Users involved
Dispute overview
Dispute as to the neutrality of characterizing Slotkin's "support of the strike" with a plain statement or quotes from reliable sources. No consensus from RfC leaves status quo in place, but status quo is seen as an inaccurate/slanted characterization by some participants in discussion.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
Talk:Elissa Slotkin#Labor Positions and the 2023 UAW strike, Talk:Elissa Slotkin#Request for Comment?
How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?
A decision on whether the reliable sources characterize the quote, how they characterize the quote, and whether part of the quote should be included in the article.
Oh I'll keep it brief: a few editors have been fighting to keep this trivial NOTNEWS material in here for months. It's a bit of nothing, apparently originally inserted by a sock of User:Thespeedoflightneverchanges. User:andrew.robbins is making this into a--I don't know what, something irritating, and I wonder what wise editors like User:Muboshgu or User:Courcelles think about this. Drmies ( talk) 22:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
I don't have anything to add outside of there is no consensus for anything, at this point I say just leave it out. Not saying this is good reasoning or that I agree that NOTNEWS applies, just that I don't think it is a big enough deal to keep pushing. Maybe have another RFC in a few months/years once more critical perspectives of her tenure and actions towards labor have been done. LegalSmeagolian ( talk) 23:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Important context here is that this article has been the subject of repeated sock and meat puppetry with off-Wiki organizing being publicly admitted to (which resulted in even the talk page being ECP) with Cpotisch reporting that there's a team of editors who "hate Slotkin" attempting to push a POV here. Wrt this specific section of the article: it's been discussed ad nauseam and there's no consensus for the edit being suggested. Not sure how many venues this argument needs to be repeated in. Dcpoliticaljunkie ( talk) 22:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
There has already been an RFC, although the RFC was poorly written, and was closed as No Consensus. Before any further dispute resolution action can be taken, either at this noticeboard, or elsewhere, I have a question, which is: What, if anything, do any of the editors who have filed or responded to this request expect to be accomplished at this noticeboard? I am adding the closer, User:Alpha3031, because they noted in closing that a request for assistance could be made here or at another noticeboard. What, if anything, is anyone suggesting or asking to be done at this noticeboard? Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
This noticeboard usually facilitates moderated discussion. It isn't obvious to me whether moderated discussion is feasible. If some other service is being requested, it needs to be requested.
Be civil and concise. Comment on content, not contributors. Do not reply to the statements of other editors. Just answer the question that I have asked. Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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Welcome to the dispute resolution noticeboard (DRN) | ||||||||||||
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This is an informal place to resolve small content disputes as part of dispute resolution. It may also be used as a tool to direct certain discussions to more appropriate forums, such as requests for comment, or other noticeboards. You can ask a question on the talk page. This is an early stop for most disputes on Wikipedia. You are not required to participate, however, the case filer must participate in all aspects of the dispute or the matter will be considered failed. Any editor may volunteer! Click this button to add your name! You don't need to volunteer to help. Please feel free to comment below on any case. Be civil and remember; Maintain Wikipedia policy: it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements. Editors must take particular care adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. This may also apply to some groups. Noticeboards should not be a substitute for talk pages. Editors are expected to have had extensive discussion on a talk page (not just through edit summaries) to work out the issues before coming to DRN.
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Case | Created | Last volunteer edit | Last modified | ||||
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Title | Status | User | Time | User | Time | User | Time |
Robert (doll) | Closed | Gabriellemcnell ( t) | 3 days, 16 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 6 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 6 hours |
Undetectable.ai | Closed | Sesame119 ( t) | 3 days, 13 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 5 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 5 hours |
Ibn Battuta | Closed | Jihanysta ( t) | 3 days, 12 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 5 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 5 hours |
Eurovision Song Contest 2024 - Israel | Closed | PicturePerfect666 ( t) | 3 days, 11 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 5 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 3 days, 5 hours |
Aidi | Closed | Traumnovelle ( t) | 2 days, 17 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 2 days, 10 hours | Traumnovelle ( t) | 2 days, 6 hours |
Maratha Confederacy | New | Mohammad Umar Ali ( t) | 21 hours | None | n/a | Timtrent ( t) | 4 hours |
Elissa Slotkin | New | Andrew.robbins ( t) | 15 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 9 hours | Robert McClenon ( t) | 9 hours |
If you would like a regularly-updated copy of this status box on your user page or talk page, put {{
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Last updated by
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Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Closed as premature, and inadequately filed. The discussion on the talk page, Talk:Robert (doll), has not been extensive. I have changed the filing to identify the subject article. Resume discussion at the article talk page. Also, the filing editor did not notify the other editors. If discussion at the article talk page resumes, and is lengthy and inconclusive, a new case can be filed here, listing the article correctly, and listing and notifying the other editors. Robert McClenon ( talk) 05:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC) |
Closed discussion |
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Closed as premature. There has not been extensive discussion on the article talk page. Discuss on the article talk page. Robert McClenon ( talk) 05:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC) |
Closed discussion |
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Closed, again. A similar request was filed a few days ago that failed to list the other editors, and failed to notify them of this listing. There does not appear to have been lengthy and inconclusive discussion on an article talk page. Request advice at the Teahouse. After requesting and receiving advice, discuss at the article talk page. Do not file another request here unless advice has been requested, and unless there is extensive and inconclusive discussion on an article talk page. Robert McClenon ( talk) 05:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC) |
Closed discussion |
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Closed as probably not the right forum. Moderated discussion at DRN is very seldom an effective way of resolving a dispute with 23 editors. A Request for Comments on whether to split the article is probably more likely to be effective. Also, discussion on the article talk page has not been sufficient. Resume discussion at the article talk page. It might be a good idea also to request advice at the Teahouse on how to proceed with this dispute. Robert McClenon ( talk) 05:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC) |
Closed discussion |
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Closed as declined by the other editors. The filing editor notified the other two editors, but both of them removed the notification of the DRN filing. Removing the notification of a DRN filing is a rude method of declining to participate in moderated discussion. Participation in DRN is voluntary, and an editor may decline to participate for any reason or no reason. Since the other editors are not participating, there will not be moderated discussion, and this thread will be closed. Continue discussion on the article talk page. Do not edit-war. A Request for Comments may be the way to resolve this dispute. Robert McClenon ( talk) |
Closed discussion |
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Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
Location of dispute
Users involved
Dispute overview
About territorial peak of an empire and what information to be included in the into para(s) of the article and what not to be included.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
Talk:Maratha_Confederacy#WP:RAJ_claim_misunderstood_by_Rawn3012 Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection/Increase#Maratha_Confederacy User_talk:Mohammad_Umar_Ali#May_2024
How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?
Plz see the WP:RS sources and take decision from a neutral point of view. Any article needs to have information of itself not others here in Maratha Confederacy article Mughals are discussed more in 1st para than the Marathas. Not much have been described about Marathas in intro paras even after so much information exist about them.
Please see the edit warring noticeboard discussion filed since this discussion was opened here. I make no comment on this, nor on that discussion. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 06:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
Location of dispute
Users involved
Dispute overview
Dispute as to the neutrality of characterizing Slotkin's "support of the strike" with a plain statement or quotes from reliable sources. No consensus from RfC leaves status quo in place, but status quo is seen as an inaccurate/slanted characterization by some participants in discussion.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
Talk:Elissa Slotkin#Labor Positions and the 2023 UAW strike, Talk:Elissa Slotkin#Request for Comment?
How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?
A decision on whether the reliable sources characterize the quote, how they characterize the quote, and whether part of the quote should be included in the article.
Oh I'll keep it brief: a few editors have been fighting to keep this trivial NOTNEWS material in here for months. It's a bit of nothing, apparently originally inserted by a sock of User:Thespeedoflightneverchanges. User:andrew.robbins is making this into a--I don't know what, something irritating, and I wonder what wise editors like User:Muboshgu or User:Courcelles think about this. Drmies ( talk) 22:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
I don't have anything to add outside of there is no consensus for anything, at this point I say just leave it out. Not saying this is good reasoning or that I agree that NOTNEWS applies, just that I don't think it is a big enough deal to keep pushing. Maybe have another RFC in a few months/years once more critical perspectives of her tenure and actions towards labor have been done. LegalSmeagolian ( talk) 23:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Important context here is that this article has been the subject of repeated sock and meat puppetry with off-Wiki organizing being publicly admitted to (which resulted in even the talk page being ECP) with Cpotisch reporting that there's a team of editors who "hate Slotkin" attempting to push a POV here. Wrt this specific section of the article: it's been discussed ad nauseam and there's no consensus for the edit being suggested. Not sure how many venues this argument needs to be repeated in. Dcpoliticaljunkie ( talk) 22:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
There has already been an RFC, although the RFC was poorly written, and was closed as No Consensus. Before any further dispute resolution action can be taken, either at this noticeboard, or elsewhere, I have a question, which is: What, if anything, do any of the editors who have filed or responded to this request expect to be accomplished at this noticeboard? I am adding the closer, User:Alpha3031, because they noted in closing that a request for assistance could be made here or at another noticeboard. What, if anything, is anyone suggesting or asking to be done at this noticeboard? Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
This noticeboard usually facilitates moderated discussion. It isn't obvious to me whether moderated discussion is feasible. If some other service is being requested, it needs to be requested.
Be civil and concise. Comment on content, not contributors. Do not reply to the statements of other editors. Just answer the question that I have asked. Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)