Joe Lonsdale (closed)
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The page was deleted in 2021 with only two non-sockfarm !votes — one from an editor who wanted to avoid rewarding apparent UPE, and one from an editor who felt the coverage was trivial. I don't think the deletion was unreasonable given the !votes, nor do I think the trivial coverage concern was unwarranted given that some editors had stuffed the page full of ~60 references that were largely trivial. However, I think some of the old sources combined with substantial available new sourcing justify undeletion, and I'm happy to do the cleanup necessary after the page is restored. Lonsdale is notable as a founder of Palantir and later OpenGov and University of Austin. He is also among a group of politically active tech financiers who are pretty regularly covered in the news (most recently in a spate of coverage about a new super PAC for which he is evidently helping to fundraise — see NYT, etc.) GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 20:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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I've created an undeletion request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/OldHeader.
Graeme Bartlett recommended ( Special:Diff/1235028837) getting consensus here first. — andrybak ( talk) 12:28, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Global company with more than 10000 employees. Innumerable credible inline news sources and books . New articles with new sources , should not be deleted due to old article as innumerable credible sources have emerged 121.242.91.74 ( talk) 06:54, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Draft:EFS Facilities Services Group was deleted last week as G11; I believe that is what this is referring to.
Jclemens (
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07:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- ... and this has been before us twice before and endorsed on similar grounds: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 November 9, Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 January 8. Jclemens ( talk) 07:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy Close and semi-salt all relevant draftspace titles so that only registered users can create drafts in the future. Enough is enough. Given the history, I'm not even wanting to ask to see the deleted material before assuming that G11 is once again valid.
Jclemens (
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07:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it doesn't mention the company's "economic journey", but it has most of the other hallmarks. In particular, most of the external links in the absurd refbombing are showing up as already-visited to me (though I don't remember taking more than a cursory look in previous visits to DRV);
this is typical of the new ones.The sad thing is, the claims in the draft are such that I'd expect there to be usable sources on it somewhere, but you'd have to be daft to try looking for it among all the shallow promotion they've paid for.I'll try to work out a regex less gameable than the one I
tested in November, but something's changed such that these queries, which used to complete in minutes, have been running for more than an hour now and show no signs of stopping. For just an autoconfirmed+ blacklisting, it seems like wasted effort. —
Cryptic
13:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- (And, as usual, it completed almost immediately after I complained that it wasn't going to complete. The public version at quarry:query/84908 should eventually get populated, maybe quickly if it cached well, maybe not. There were a couple new deletions since the November try, no new false positives, and nothing that would be caught by the wider regex that wouldn't have been by the old.) — Cryptic 13:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it doesn't mention the company's "economic journey", but it has most of the other hallmarks. In particular, most of the external links in the absurd refbombing are showing up as already-visited to me (though I don't remember taking more than a cursory look in previous visits to DRV);
this is typical of the new ones.The sad thing is, the claims in the draft are such that I'd expect there to be usable sources on it somewhere, but you'd have to be daft to try looking for it among all the shallow promotion they've paid for.I'll try to work out a regex less gameable than the one I
tested in November, but something's changed such that these queries, which used to complete in minutes, have been running for more than an hour now and show no signs of stopping. For just an autoconfirmed+ blacklisting, it seems like wasted effort. —
Cryptic
13:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close, endorse and salt all relevant titles per Jclemens above. I would do this myself but I closed the last DRV so, with no pressing need to intervene, would rather another administrator do it. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 08:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse. Do not SALT. SALTing in draftspace encourages the game of cat and mouse with using variations on the title. Draftspace exists to attract and contain unworthy content, let it serve its purpose. It’s easier to keep deleting the same title than variations on the title. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 09:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse, speedy close, and
title-blacklist for non-autoconfirmed users. Enough now.
Stifle (
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09:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh yeah... title blacklist is probably the better solution. Never used it myself, so I keep forgetting it exists. Jclemens ( talk) 15:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse and list at
WP:DEEPER (a recommendation from the previous DRV). I feel like blacklisting is going to be robust enough of a solution to figure as a net postive.—
Alalch E.
15:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Off-topic: Tariq Chauhan slipped through. — Alalch E. 16:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- User:Alalch E. - Not entirely off-topic. The one sentence that is left about Tariq Chauhan is not enough to pass general notability, and has been nominated for deletion. Robert McClenon ( talk) 19:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse all previous deletions. Robert McClenon ( talk) 18:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Title Blacklist and list at WP:DEEPER (as recommended in previous DRV). Robert McClenon ( talk) 18:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do Not Salt in draft space. Useless drafts that cannot be accepted are harmless in draft space. Salting in draft space encourages the gaming of names. Robert McClenon ( talk) 18:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- ECP Salt in article space. Robert McClenon ( talk) 18:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Joe Lonsdale (closed)
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The page was deleted in 2021 with only two non-sockfarm !votes — one from an editor who wanted to avoid rewarding apparent UPE, and one from an editor who felt the coverage was trivial. I don't think the deletion was unreasonable given the !votes, nor do I think the trivial coverage concern was unwarranted given that some editors had stuffed the page full of ~60 references that were largely trivial. However, I think some of the old sources combined with substantial available new sourcing justify undeletion, and I'm happy to do the cleanup necessary after the page is restored. Lonsdale is notable as a founder of Palantir and later OpenGov and University of Austin. He is also among a group of politically active tech financiers who are pretty regularly covered in the news (most recently in a spate of coverage about a new super PAC for which he is evidently helping to fundraise — see NYT, etc.) GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 20:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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| The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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| The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
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I've created an undeletion request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/OldHeader.
Graeme Bartlett recommended ( Special:Diff/1235028837) getting consensus here first. — andrybak ( talk) 12:28, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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| The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
Global company with more than 10000 employees. Innumerable credible inline news sources and books . New articles with new sources , should not be deleted due to old article as innumerable credible sources have emerged 121.242.91.74 ( talk) 06:54, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment
Draft:EFS Facilities Services Group was deleted last week as G11; I believe that is what this is referring to.
Jclemens (
talk)
07:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- ... and this has been before us twice before and endorsed on similar grounds: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 November 9, Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 January 8. Jclemens ( talk) 07:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy Close and semi-salt all relevant draftspace titles so that only registered users can create drafts in the future. Enough is enough. Given the history, I'm not even wanting to ask to see the deleted material before assuming that G11 is once again valid.
Jclemens (
talk)
07:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it doesn't mention the company's "economic journey", but it has most of the other hallmarks. In particular, most of the external links in the absurd refbombing are showing up as already-visited to me (though I don't remember taking more than a cursory look in previous visits to DRV);
this is typical of the new ones.The sad thing is, the claims in the draft are such that I'd expect there to be usable sources on it somewhere, but you'd have to be daft to try looking for it among all the shallow promotion they've paid for.I'll try to work out a regex less gameable than the one I
tested in November, but something's changed such that these queries, which used to complete in minutes, have been running for more than an hour now and show no signs of stopping. For just an autoconfirmed+ blacklisting, it seems like wasted effort. —
Cryptic
13:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- (And, as usual, it completed almost immediately after I complained that it wasn't going to complete. The public version at quarry:query/84908 should eventually get populated, maybe quickly if it cached well, maybe not. There were a couple new deletions since the November try, no new false positives, and nothing that would be caught by the wider regex that wouldn't have been by the old.) — Cryptic 13:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it doesn't mention the company's "economic journey", but it has most of the other hallmarks. In particular, most of the external links in the absurd refbombing are showing up as already-visited to me (though I don't remember taking more than a cursory look in previous visits to DRV);
this is typical of the new ones.The sad thing is, the claims in the draft are such that I'd expect there to be usable sources on it somewhere, but you'd have to be daft to try looking for it among all the shallow promotion they've paid for.I'll try to work out a regex less gameable than the one I
tested in November, but something's changed such that these queries, which used to complete in minutes, have been running for more than an hour now and show no signs of stopping. For just an autoconfirmed+ blacklisting, it seems like wasted effort. —
Cryptic
13:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close, endorse and salt all relevant titles per Jclemens above. I would do this myself but I closed the last DRV so, with no pressing need to intervene, would rather another administrator do it. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 08:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse. Do not SALT. SALTing in draftspace encourages the game of cat and mouse with using variations on the title. Draftspace exists to attract and contain unworthy content, let it serve its purpose. It’s easier to keep deleting the same title than variations on the title. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 09:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse, speedy close, and
title-blacklist for non-autoconfirmed users. Enough now.
Stifle (
talk)
09:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh yeah... title blacklist is probably the better solution. Never used it myself, so I keep forgetting it exists. Jclemens ( talk) 15:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse and list at
WP:DEEPER (a recommendation from the previous DRV). I feel like blacklisting is going to be robust enough of a solution to figure as a net postive.—
Alalch E.
15:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Off-topic: Tariq Chauhan slipped through. — Alalch E. 16:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- User:Alalch E. - Not entirely off-topic. The one sentence that is left about Tariq Chauhan is not enough to pass general notability, and has been nominated for deletion. Robert McClenon ( talk) 19:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Endorse all previous deletions. Robert McClenon ( talk) 18:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Title Blacklist and list at WP:DEEPER (as recommended in previous DRV). Robert McClenon ( talk) 18:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do Not Salt in draft space. Useless drafts that cannot be accepted are harmless in draft space. Salting in draft space encourages the gaming of names. Robert McClenon ( talk) 18:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- ECP Salt in article space. Robert McClenon ( talk) 18:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)