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I will provide external verifiable references to reinstate the article, as it was AfD for the lack of these. Lanie318 ( talk) 01:25, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
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1. Have an email from the site host of the pic in question (new info). 2. Close was done without really adressing the key issues (was hard to get a candid statement as to what exact objects were, also unclear if objectors had seen screens in question). It's unfortunate, but I feel AFD and the like have gotten contentious so that people are not really freely sharing info and discussion. 3. Also (sorry, this one is a bit processy), should have been at PUF, not FFD. Have discussed at Admin talk page, but unable to reach consensus. Request a review by other parties. TCO ( talk) 10:13, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
I am new to this website, but I have spent a significant amount of time reviewing the pages on notability, deletion, and editing. I am having an extremely hard time adding a prominent Jewish Canadian artist to this Wiki page: Norman Leibovitch. I have included sources which state that he is: Canadian, Jewish, an Artist, and was prominent prior to his death in 2002. This seems to be the qualifications for adding someone to a list such as this. 117Avenue continues to delete my entry based on lack of references or article. While there is currently no Wikipedia article on Norman Leibovitch, there are plenty of other names on that list which also have no articles, as well as NO REFERENCES. I believe that 117Avenue is abusing their editing power in the use of speedy deletion. I would appreciate it if an administrator could please look into this issue and let me know what they think. I find it a bit absurd that a prominent Canadian Jewish artist cannot be added to a list of Canadian Jewish artists when there are sufficient sources to show that he meets the criteria for the page. Thank you. Zkamel86 02:16, 9 March 2011 (EST)
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I believe the closer interpreted the debate incorrectly and the last post in the AFD discussion clearly proved that the article was suffiently sourced under Wikipedia Guidelines. Links to All Music Guide and MTV were cited as sources for this musical artist. I have contacted the adminstrator and he/she suggested a deletion review. I believe his/her decision to delete should be overturned and that the page should be restored and kept. Thank you. Brokeradar222 ( talk) 06:30, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
It has just come to my attention that Ian Erix is currently #1 on The Samsung Bebo Music Charts. Under the guidelines found at WP:MUSICBIO, criteria #7 states that a musical artist may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria: 7. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. Since Ian Erix is #1 in the genre of Pop Punk as reflected by The Samsung Bebo Music Charts, and he has over 200,000 registered fans on his page, I think a solid argument can be made that he meets criteria #7. FYI, Bebo is quite popular with youth in UK, Australia and New Zealand where Erix is a prominent representative of the pop punk/emo/scene music and fashion subculture, as reflected by his chart position here. I don't know how to create a direct link to the chart, but to view it yourself you can click the link below, scroll down to the Samsung Bebo Music Chart and choose "View Top 100". Then you must choose the tab that says "By Genre - Make sure to select "Pop Punk" from the pull down menu. http://www.bebo.com/Bands.jsp?MID=3258098047 Please note this is just new information but regardless of this particular chart, I still feel the article meets enough other criteria to be kept on other merits, even without this new info. Thank you very much for your consideration. Brokeradar222 ( talk) 07:53, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/ian-erix-p741443 All Music Guide and http://www.mtv.co.uk/artists/ian-erix MTV This was evidenced in the debate and ufairly overlooked. As per Wikipedia Guidelines, if 2 indepandant sources publish about a musician than he/she meets the criteria WP:MUSICBIO. It also says that if an musicians music charts in any country than he/she meet the criteria. Again, according to All Music Guide and MTV, Erix has charted in foreign countries. This evidenced is being overlooked and therfore Wikipedia Guidelines are not being folllowed. WP:VERIFY says that "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth; that is, whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true". Regardless of what anyones personal views are or how many friends somebody may have asked to post on a topic, there is enough evidence and reliable sources to prove that Erix meets the criteria of Wikipedia. The new information was just that, new, and it does speak to the fact that Erix is a prominent representative of a certain subgenre in the Bebo community. Anyone on that site knows that the clicks they refer to are by the thousand, so the 41 clicks this week represents 41,000 clicks and the 13 artist are the top 13 in the genre, where Erix is #1. This is all just a side note though. The fact that All Music Guide and MTV have published about Erix and verified that his music has charted in the Top 10 of foreign countries cannot be argued and therefore the decision to delete his article should be overturned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brokeradar222 ( talk • contribs) 17:30, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
#2 In addition to all the previous arguments I have setforth and still stand by, I would also like to point out another way that I have recently discoverd that qualifies the Ian Erix article to be included in Wikipedia as per
WP:ENTERTAINER. In accordance with the guidelines for inclusion of an entertainer, for Ian Erix in this case it would apply to him as television personality for his role in the "Journey Of A Rock Star" series, the guidelines say that an article qualifies if the entertainer has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following. This is listed as criteria #2 under the Entertainer heading above. Since an interactive contest was run on MySpace for the TV Series, Journey Of A Rock Star, in which Ian Erix starred, thousands of people submitted themselves to take part in the series and meet Ian Erix. This wil be evidenced by the source links I am providing below. As per such, Erix has attracted a large fan base and/or cult following who are still fans/followers of him today. This can be evidenced by the fact that he has 202,784 fans on his Bebo page and 115,710 fans on his MySpace page. This is just another way to prove that the article on Erix should be allowed to stay on Wikipedia. Here are some links for reference:
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
I will provide external verifiable references to reinstate the article, as it was AfD for the lack of these. Lanie318 ( talk) 01:25, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
1. Have an email from the site host of the pic in question (new info). 2. Close was done without really adressing the key issues (was hard to get a candid statement as to what exact objects were, also unclear if objectors had seen screens in question). It's unfortunate, but I feel AFD and the like have gotten contentious so that people are not really freely sharing info and discussion. 3. Also (sorry, this one is a bit processy), should have been at PUF, not FFD. Have discussed at Admin talk page, but unable to reach consensus. Request a review by other parties. TCO ( talk) 10:13, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
I am new to this website, but I have spent a significant amount of time reviewing the pages on notability, deletion, and editing. I am having an extremely hard time adding a prominent Jewish Canadian artist to this Wiki page: Norman Leibovitch. I have included sources which state that he is: Canadian, Jewish, an Artist, and was prominent prior to his death in 2002. This seems to be the qualifications for adding someone to a list such as this. 117Avenue continues to delete my entry based on lack of references or article. While there is currently no Wikipedia article on Norman Leibovitch, there are plenty of other names on that list which also have no articles, as well as NO REFERENCES. I believe that 117Avenue is abusing their editing power in the use of speedy deletion. I would appreciate it if an administrator could please look into this issue and let me know what they think. I find it a bit absurd that a prominent Canadian Jewish artist cannot be added to a list of Canadian Jewish artists when there are sufficient sources to show that he meets the criteria for the page. Thank you. Zkamel86 02:16, 9 March 2011 (EST)
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. | ||
I believe the closer interpreted the debate incorrectly and the last post in the AFD discussion clearly proved that the article was suffiently sourced under Wikipedia Guidelines. Links to All Music Guide and MTV were cited as sources for this musical artist. I have contacted the adminstrator and he/she suggested a deletion review. I believe his/her decision to delete should be overturned and that the page should be restored and kept. Thank you. Brokeradar222 ( talk) 06:30, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
It has just come to my attention that Ian Erix is currently #1 on The Samsung Bebo Music Charts. Under the guidelines found at WP:MUSICBIO, criteria #7 states that a musical artist may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria: 7. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. Since Ian Erix is #1 in the genre of Pop Punk as reflected by The Samsung Bebo Music Charts, and he has over 200,000 registered fans on his page, I think a solid argument can be made that he meets criteria #7. FYI, Bebo is quite popular with youth in UK, Australia and New Zealand where Erix is a prominent representative of the pop punk/emo/scene music and fashion subculture, as reflected by his chart position here. I don't know how to create a direct link to the chart, but to view it yourself you can click the link below, scroll down to the Samsung Bebo Music Chart and choose "View Top 100". Then you must choose the tab that says "By Genre - Make sure to select "Pop Punk" from the pull down menu. http://www.bebo.com/Bands.jsp?MID=3258098047 Please note this is just new information but regardless of this particular chart, I still feel the article meets enough other criteria to be kept on other merits, even without this new info. Thank you very much for your consideration. Brokeradar222 ( talk) 07:53, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/ian-erix-p741443 All Music Guide and http://www.mtv.co.uk/artists/ian-erix MTV This was evidenced in the debate and ufairly overlooked. As per Wikipedia Guidelines, if 2 indepandant sources publish about a musician than he/she meets the criteria WP:MUSICBIO. It also says that if an musicians music charts in any country than he/she meet the criteria. Again, according to All Music Guide and MTV, Erix has charted in foreign countries. This evidenced is being overlooked and therfore Wikipedia Guidelines are not being folllowed. WP:VERIFY says that "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth; that is, whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true". Regardless of what anyones personal views are or how many friends somebody may have asked to post on a topic, there is enough evidence and reliable sources to prove that Erix meets the criteria of Wikipedia. The new information was just that, new, and it does speak to the fact that Erix is a prominent representative of a certain subgenre in the Bebo community. Anyone on that site knows that the clicks they refer to are by the thousand, so the 41 clicks this week represents 41,000 clicks and the 13 artist are the top 13 in the genre, where Erix is #1. This is all just a side note though. The fact that All Music Guide and MTV have published about Erix and verified that his music has charted in the Top 10 of foreign countries cannot be argued and therefore the decision to delete his article should be overturned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brokeradar222 ( talk • contribs) 17:30, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
#2 In addition to all the previous arguments I have setforth and still stand by, I would also like to point out another way that I have recently discoverd that qualifies the Ian Erix article to be included in Wikipedia as per
WP:ENTERTAINER. In accordance with the guidelines for inclusion of an entertainer, for Ian Erix in this case it would apply to him as television personality for his role in the "Journey Of A Rock Star" series, the guidelines say that an article qualifies if the entertainer has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following. This is listed as criteria #2 under the Entertainer heading above. Since an interactive contest was run on MySpace for the TV Series, Journey Of A Rock Star, in which Ian Erix starred, thousands of people submitted themselves to take part in the series and meet Ian Erix. This wil be evidenced by the source links I am providing below. As per such, Erix has attracted a large fan base and/or cult following who are still fans/followers of him today. This can be evidenced by the fact that he has 202,784 fans on his Bebo page and 115,710 fans on his MySpace page. This is just another way to prove that the article on Erix should be allowed to stay on Wikipedia. Here are some links for reference:
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